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Balance And Bliss Ayurveda Ayurvedic Academy and Center

  • Submitted: Thu, October 04, 2012
  • Updated: Thu, February 14, 2013

  • Reported By: Mira — Tampa Florida United States of America
Balance And Bliss Ayurveda Ayurvedic Academy and Center
6201 Lynn Road Tampa, Florida United States of America

Balance And Bliss Ayurveda Ayurvedic Academy and Center Ayurveda Center- Ayurvedic Products - Ayurvedic Academy - Balance & Bliss Ayurveda offers Ayurvedic treatments and consultations, Ayurvedic products and our very own Ayurv Tampa, Florida

*Author of original report: about reaching out

*Author of original report: Your going to tell me off then run.. nice..

*Consumer Comment: Love yourself.....Take Responsibility for all that is in it

*Author of original report: One Year and Still have hives

*Author of original report: Spoke to Ayurvedic Doctor

*Author of original report: Thank you Amanda !

*UPDATE Employee: To Mira from the bottom of AMANDA'S heart

*Author of original report: interesting

*Author of original report: UPDATE on Balance and Bliss

*Author of original report: professionalism

*Author of original report: No Response ? Let me recap here ....

*Author of original report: emails...

*Author of original report: dark mind and projection

*Author of original report: Wow

*General Comment: there is no truth to your description and i suspect your story

*Author of original report: One update of misinformation on my behalf

*Author of original report: You Disagree ?

*UPDATE Employee: I disagree...

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....I was attending school at this academy. I also did a 30 day puncha karma cleans with Denise O'Dunn during the school year.  On the 20th day of the 30 day cleanse, which was also the 9 day that Denise personally worked on me I ended up with SEVERE CHRONIC HIVES from head to toe. I also ended up with SEVERE GASTRITUS. The hives literally covered every inch of my body and I looked like I had alligator skin. They also swelled up my face, my eyes, and my lips twice to their normal size. My whole body itched from head to toe and the burning and pain was unbearable.  I couldn't eat much of anything as the gastritis was horrible and burned the whole way up my esophagus anytime I tried to put anything in my stomach.

On the tenth day of her therapies she handed me some coconut water and told me to go to an allergist. That very evening we had class and she decided to lie to the class and tell the class that the reason I had hives was because I was cooking for my brother during puncha karma and that I over stressed myself. This was a blantant lie because I did no such thing. Everynight while I was getting the puncha karma treatments I went home so exhausted that all I did was fall into bed.

I went to an allergist and he had no idea what may have caused the hives and what puncha karma or herbs were all about. He told me that I would never figure out what exactly caused the hives.. that he called me healthy person hives and he put me on a steriod called prednisone. In 30 days of being on that steriod I gained thirty pounds. It was horrible, and it I missed a dose or took a dose late this severe and painful condition would break back out.

I then went to an accupuncturist who said she gave me too many spices and heat during puncha karma.  I tried his accupuncture and cucumber soup and it did not cure it. To make a long story short, in the next five months I went to another 6 doctors and spent over 3 thousand dollars trying to find a cure and to understand what exactly caused these hives during puncha karma. These hives were painful, itchy, ruining my life, and literally driving me insane. I could not work on my business, i could not socialize, everything I tried to do was ruined as I could not wake up one day and not be in incredible states of itch, pain, and anguish.  What it ended up being is that she overheated my body during puncha karma and inflammed all of my internal organs..and everything I ate was causing the hives. Everything I was eating was going straight to my bloodstream as my stomach lining was messed up.

It was when I went to the second chinese accupunturist that a cure was found. I had to drink  a special tea to clean my blood and eat nothing but medicate shakes for 5 months to get rid of this condition and heal my stomach.

Denise  O'Dunn claimed she did not know what caused my hives the whole time as she watched me suffer. Her husband Kevin O'Dunn who runs her business with her never once asked me about my condition and if I was ok. When I'd talk about my condition in class Denise acted like I was annoying her.  She told me to go to Shamans to try to heal my condition which I did and of course that didn't work. When I found that last Chinese doctor that finally explained it was the spices and everything Denise put in my body and did to my body that caused the hives  I let Denise know. Three days Letter I got a letter from Kevin O'Dunn calling me a liar and a manipulator and kicking me out of school. They claimed I was being kicked out of school because of reasons that they had preapproved with me was alright and they called me a liar when I explained I was in a tub crying all night before that last day I attended when I came in late with scratched and blood dripping down my legs and my mind confused.  I wrote them a couple of kind letters asking them to please go to Vedic doctors with me to see the truth of what happened to me and see that I have been honest and have been suffering horribly and my life has been ruined by their puncha karma services and take personal responsibility and they refused and just kept sending me letters twisting facts and refusing to own up to what their theraphies did to me.  They have refused to refund me my 4 thousand dollars for schooling. They are refusing to refund me my money for the puncha karma, nor the 3K worth of doctors I had to pay to figure out how to cure this condition.

I have since talked to real Vedic doctors about the hives and they explained the Denise is a practitioner trying to behave like she is a real Vedic doctor. That she shoudl not be doing puncha karma and why she is allowed to run a school they did not understand. She merely has a practitioners license and does not understand the medicine she is practiting thoroughly. Kevin on the other hand has a fake Doctorates listed on their site that is actually just a certificate from some ministry and just got some cheap mail order metaphysical bachelors degree that I question is considered real in the state of Florida.

These people are not healers, and they are not spiritual people. They are cowards who do not care who they hurt with their medicine. They have stolen thousands of dollars from me and believe me I am going to call the board of education, the national ayurvedic society, the BBB, the school where they got their degree from and anyone else I can find to fight this... and if this doesn't work I assure you I will do a lawsuit with a chinese medicine lawyer who understand their medicine they are practiting with only a practitioners license.

As far as the schooling goes at this academy it is awful. All Denise does is read from a worksheet aloud all day and do meditations. She has no teaching experience, and the days are long and boring. Four of the thirteen people in my class told me they wanted to drop out of the school but didn't want to loose their tuition money. I have no idea how these people got the right to teach and start an Ayurvedic school with no college degree and only a practitioners license and a massage license.

Do not go to this school and do not allow these people to treat you. They are dangerous. They are not scientific and they are not doctors. They are arrogant and they do not know the medicine they practice. They have no business running a school and doing puncha karma.  They do not take personal responsibility for what they have done. They still have not called one Vedic doctor since I got my hives. I had the hives for eight months straight, and I have to eat the medicated food for another four months before I am healed. Please stay away from these people.. they are incompetant and they will rip you off.

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#1 Author of original report

about reaching out

AUTHOR: Mira - ()

Denise never reached out to me melissa. I dont know who else u r talking about i might have spoken poorly of. If i spoke poorly of anyone in my life it is because i was irritated w selfish and judgemental behavior towards others. Denise took my money for services. I always turn every rock to heal myself . Denise took money for services rendered poorly and services not rendered at all.

I think yall need to get off ur high horse. Try healing those that really need it and not fellow yuppies with plenty of finances to pay you giving them your fake hugs and kisses. Try standing beside your brother through thick and thin. Try really giving urself in service to god and those in pain and I might regain an ounce of respect for you. Try standing beside a student who really wants to learn and having office hours.

Try understanding a student can't get what they paid for when ur mother just died. Ur Irresponsible husband cracks his pelvis on his irresponsible motorcyle and u have a stage four heart condition the whole semester. Call a substitute. That class was horrible and you know it melissa and if it'd been ur money and ur body i don't think ud be behaving this way.

That was not ok. I understand denise has a good heart but that was ridiculous and I was ripped off. Pay me back in payments if u don't have the money. Make an insurance claim . Have some self respect and professionalism.

And please stop putting people in ur little boxes. Its just a system its not truth. Its another illusion. The only thing that is true is what one feels in their heart. My heart knows what happened. I got sick. Everyone judged me except a couple others in the classs. Kevin got worried about being sued. Denise felt bad half and she also felt the need to flip blame because it challenged her ego of being perfect. Kevin decides to cut my throat.

All is one except the person who got hives in their services. Meliisa gets to take months off and so do others but the person w hives in their services doesn't get to be worked w. Come on melissa wake up. You people can't own up to what happened so bad it's easier to spiritually devalue and blame me and call me the bad guy.

Meanwhile my body is seriously messed up and I get to take all the financial burdon. you people are jerks. You have to create bad guys in projection if ur own fears. You can't just do the right thing. The answer is not sitting in pitta kapha nor meditation nor prayers. The answer is in ur heart and u dont listen to it. Give me my money back. You failed ur student and ur client.
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Your going to tell me off then run.. nice..

AUTHOR: Mira - ()

I have gone through a year and a half of excruciating pain and gastritis and you are calling me a liar and telling me I am being a victim and that I do not love myself ? Are you serious? You saw my body and pain with your own eyes Melissa. You are a complete liar. You're as big a liar as Kevin. 

You don't even know me Melissa. We have had one conversation in school after I got the hives when you pulse tested me.  I was going through excruciating pain and you were standoffish and rude to me and stuck your nose in the air. You didn't seem to care about the poor people I work with when I talked about them. You just stuck your nose up in the air. Maybe if you have once in your life experienced a serious illness you could have some sympathy for people, but it seemed to me you were more concerned with proper social behavior then deeply knowing the heart  and pain of a human being. 

Denise lied to the class and told you guys I withdrew when she really kicked me out with letters full of lies and uneducated judgement's about my condition from Kevin. It has since be figured out that Denise doesn't' know what she is doing, and that she did not understand my body and condition at all.  I have all of her emails to prove the lies they told. If you doubt what I say, I will send you the letters.  I do not have a problem showing you what they did and the lies.  What other kind of lies have these people been telling you guys is what I am now wondering?

Why are you calling me a liar ? What exactly do you think I am lying about ? Are you serious ?  You saw those hives with your own eyes for months and you saw how bad I suffered and how much pain I was in. You saw me broken out head to toe two hours after puncha karma. I have been living with this condition for over a year.  What makes you so arrogant to make such statements about someone you do not know. Who has put these ideas of spiritual superiority in your head ? I would like to know as this is very disturbing. 

I was diagnosed as being pitta kapha and she put me on a pure pitta puncha karma. On top of that I have a thyroid disorder (which means autoimmune) and sugar (which means sugar allergies) and she knew loud and clear I was suffering from severe allergies all year. I was waking up in the morning with inflammation. I am extremely sensitive, highly intuitive, and meant for energy healing. She blew my whole system through. 

You are the one who didn't come to class for four to six months.

Denise and Kevin are ignoring me because they know what they did was wrong and they are running away. They lied to you guys and said I withdrew.  They never even refunded me for the third semester that I was kicked out from that I didn't attend. Their own paperwork says I am due that refund. Denise and Kevin are running because I have over six thousand dollars of doctor bills, they took thousands of dollars from me for puncha karma and the school, and they do not want to be sued and take responsibility for what they did. 

You have no right to judge me Melisa. Only god has the right to judge me. You clearly know nothing about me. 

Why did you get to not come to class for six months Melisa? Tell me why ? You weren't sick. 

All you people care about is your reputation and your ego. You don't care about people.  If you cared about people you won't have a bad review on your first year of running a school. You do not heal from heart. If you cared about me you would call me and show me some concern and heart, not attack me personally and spiritually as you have done above. If you cared you would call and talk to me, not snub your nose up and say I am not worth your energy as you pray for me from your arrogant illusion of spiritual elevation. Go pray for yourself Melissa. You're the one who needs to humble yourself before god. 

I do not talk bad about people Melissa, I am probably the most giving kind-hearted person you would ever know. I talked about people I knew that were suffering from illnesses in class because we were learning a medicine and I was looking to help their suffering.   Unfortunately you never got to know me and the statements you are making against me are sick and untrue. You were one of three people in the class that never came to my house. Kevin and Denise never came to my house and if they had they would realize my whole life and every book and thing I do is in service to god. They would eat every word they wrote me in those letters. 

I am just finishing my practitioners license in Medical Qi Gong and I will be continuing until i get my doctorates. I am getting my masters in trans-personal studies from Edgar Casey's university, which is an accredited university from the department of education. I am in my second year in a shamanic program.  I am at a convention for spiritual healers in Boulder right now and I was just picked out by a LAMA in a group of 200 people as being someone meant to walk the path of a shaman. The reason I was picked for this was because she was told from spirit that I had no obsticals of ego to yet overcome and that I am ready. 

You have no right to judge who is ready and who isn't ready for anything Melissa. Only god has the right to judge something like that and unfortunately you forget that some of the most powerful healers that have every walked this globe come from severe illness and very poor families...might I name the name Jesus as one example. If you want to pray for me go ahead, but I am horrified that you would do such a thing for another without their permission and from such an arrogant stance of judgement. I am horrified that you would be so arrogant as to try to spiritually judge another and to push your illusion of spiritual superiority upon another. 

That year with Denise was the worst year in my life because my allergies were the worst I have ever experienced in my life. In the end, what I discovered, is that it was those teas that Denise gave me all year that was making my allergies so bad. I spent every morning swelled from head to toe. And the puncha karma blew my whole system through. I have auto immune disorder Melissa and no Vedic doctor would have put me through that puncha karma.

The class was not that good and I am being honest. I had been studying other diciplines for years and Denise really didn't have very good teaching skills. Denise is a good person and someone of heart and yes I did like her very much. Kevin I found to be rather loud and outspoken, although creative and witty. They both showed me their true character when I got the hives. You really get to know a persons true character when you get sick. You really get to find out if they practice what they preach. 

Denise is not a seer and she is not a guru. If she had been, she would have done a divination practice before choosing my therapy. She would have had a direct connection to spirit. Denise has no business practicing this medicine at the level she is. She heated my body up with the most heating therapy and then called in her own spirit guides wanting them to take the heat and illness from my body to heal me. That is crazy. She never once told me what she was doing, which is spiritually offensive to everyone.

I am not Hindu and I do not believe in their societal/religious class structure. I would not have agreed to the therapy if I knew what she was doing.   Puncha Karma is a radical spiritual therapy and it is not being advertised as being so on her website. She is doing spiritual energy work on people without their knowledge or permission with gods that they do not know. This is slanderous.  She isn't a Krishna, she isn't Buddha, and she isn't Jesus Christ.

She isn't connected enough to spirit to know how to do these kinds of radical spiritual therapies. I never believed in Denise in these ways.  I was at a yoga studio with a  Buddha statue out front; not a Hindu temple. This is offensive on every level. That she was doing spiritual work on me and not letting me know and cruxing the over heating up of my body with it is just crazy. I have my own spiritual practice and I never once asked Denise to be my guru.

Melisa you have no business making the kinds of accusations you have made. I do love myself and therefor I will fight this tooth and nail to the end to see that Puncha Karma is not longer allowed to be performed by anyone but a real Vedic doctor. This cannot happen to another person.  It is a very dangerous therapy and the person performing such a radical therapy should really know their stuff. I will warn everyone. I will not let this go. 

As for the class you are very rude and arrogant to speak for them. No-one else has said anything remotely close to what you just lied about.  It is unfortunate that their teacher is so attached to ego and money. 

Let me tell you what I am doing right now Melisa. Let me tell you who I am and the path of healing I am on. I have just spent four thousand dollars on someone I am helping to heal. They aren't paying me, I am financially supporting them for the last six months. This person suffers from OCD, Anxiety, Alcoholism, and a severe heart condition. He has no family, was a foster child that came from severe abuse, and had nowhere to go. He is native American and suffers very badly.  

He almost died three times last summer from heart attacks, and he went to 14 hospitals last year alone, as I took him into my house from the streets . I am in the mountains with him taking him to every healer I can find, as I work on him myself. I do energy work, and I am teaching him meditation; and he is getting better.   I am seeing a miracle before my eyes right now, and I am seeing this happen because I love my dear friend and brother enough to do this for him.  

This is what a healer does Melissa. They heal with their heart and they care and they love people so deeply. They do not judge and humiliate and take money, but rather they listen to spirit and heal from their heart and they never give up. They do not try to be a guru, they are people who know the way. They are people that know true heart. They fight for their brother in pain. 

My friend has gained 40 pounds and hasn't drank within that last 4 months that he has been with me. I met him a year ago when he stole money from me and ran away. I can't stand it when people run away, but he came back after I screamed loud enough. And after he apologized, he ended up back at my house and I told him that I am not going to let him die and that this crap is going to stop. I have been supporting him because he has been way to sick to work.  This is what a real healer does Melissa.

Most of the healers I work with do not charge. He has just got done working with a spiritual healer I took him to who heals PTSD and works with veterans on her property for free in New Mexico. She lives on donations only. These healers that I work with certainly wouldn't accept money from someone that they hurt physically, and they certainly would never take a students money and kick them out of school because they are having health problems. 

It is unfortunate you feel that you are so much better than me Melissa. It is unfortunate that you do not want to waste your yuppie energy on me. It is unfortunate that you do not write me or call me to ask me if I am alright.  It is unfortunate for you, and everyone around you that you did not bother to get to know me. I am a beautiful awesome person who is my brothers keeper and I really care about people. I give my heart, soul, time, energy, and home to people in serious need. It is too bad that Balance and Bliss ripped me off and I got such an painful horrible condition. It is horrendous that they kicked me out of school and took my money. 

I am sorry that you hurt because of all of this Melisa. I am sorry, as I know you like the medicine you have a license in. I would call you right now, but I do not have your number as I am in Colorado.  Unfortunately, your teacher has not been a good healer nor teacher and my experience with her was horrible. I have tried to write them compassionately many times.  She showed me to be a woman of ego who did not stand by her student nor client.

She showed me as being someone who needs to be perfect, and because she was worried about being sued and worried about her reputation she chose to deserted her student. She showed me to be someone who runs off with money for services not rendered. I am sorry if this pains you, but it is the truth and the karma she has created with me. 

I am sorry she is so much better than me, than to see how I am. But she is. I was her student and client and I am extremely disappointed. . I have emails I sent her and I did try to talk to her and she just brushed the subject aside. She was teaching a class while she was sick and had no business teaching it and I got the raw end of the stick.  It was horrible. The puncha karma and the class was not good. I am being honest. 

No time to check spelling errors. Still suffering from the hives, but still off steroids thank goodness.  It is so darn painful and horrible when they break out and I feel so pitta. I am in so much pain when they break out and my whole life has been hurt because of this. They do not turn claims into insurance to protect you. They do not care, they really do not care. They run. Do not get puncha karma with these people.. please stay away from them they do not understand many conditions. They can really hurt you.She was a manager at a spa for years, she does not have a formal education in medicine.  This is very serous folks. 

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Love yourself.....Take Responsibility for all that is in it

AUTHOR: Melissa - ()

Oh Mira...My response is based only on the brief time we shared together.  I do not claim to KNOW YOU WELL.  From our short interaction, it is my sincere feeling that you were (and appear to still be from your posts) a very tormented and lost young woman.  Any story that you have shared with me personally (and there were several) or with the class (and there were several),your role was always to play the victim.  I just feel so sad for your heart when I read your posts because it is clear that your life is in still such denial and pain.  

I have experienced panchakarma with Denise and Kevin, I have been seeing them both for approx. 3 years now. I graduated from thier academy.  I have, as I feel necessary, treatments from either of them.  I have experience nothing but a generous heart with a combined gift for offering radiant health.  I do know one has to truly be open to peace, love and optimum health.  Those outcomes ere the desires of my heart and a true commitment from the deepest parts of my soul.  It was never my impression that those were experiences you were ready for.  I never once heard you say a kind word about anyone whom you have reached out to for help (and in class, even before your Panchakara) you were always searching and yet never listening ......Again, my impression based on my observations. I simply respond to this email not in defense of Kevin and Denise because they do not need to be defended. Their reputation precedes itself.  Have you not wondered why people have not responded to your inflated and inaccurate accounts of your experience?  Possibly, like myself, they choose not to spend their energy on something so preposterous as well as the recognition, Denise and Kevin do not need defending.  Why am I responding.....to send you love, and the prayer that you will someday find the courage to take responsibility for your actions so that you may experience true joy. I am guessing you will want to respond to this post.  This is my one and only post Mira.  If you feel that your response is requried, know that you are doing it for yourself since I do not intend to be back on this site.  I can no longer participate in such outloundish accusation about two of the most loving people I have ever met.  I simply wish love. Blessings to you Mira.  Namaste' Melissa
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One Year and Still have hives

AUTHOR: Mira - (United States of America)

I just want everyone to know it has been one year and I still have hives. I am having another horrible breakout tonight. What I ate wrong... who knows. But it is really bad tonight.

I would love to move on, but what happened as a result of the services of these people has affected my whole life. I feel like my skin is burning from the inside out and I'm sitting here waiting on the allegra to kick in. They are not near as bad as last year, but this is a horrible way to live.

Did I ever once get an apology ?   NO

Did Denise and Kevin ever once admit she was wrong in judging me in "living wrong lifestyle " because she was ignorant about thyroid and autoimmune disorders?  No

Did I get one penny back from the therapy or getting kicked out of school with wrong accusations of manipulations and lies twisting events from Kevin ? NO

Did I ever get one penny back or an apology ? NO

Did they think about anything other than their ego and how they appeared in front of the class ? NO

Did they take personal responsibility for what occurred in their services in front of the class or by letter or in any way by letter ? NO

Did they ever once call a real Vedic doctor to find out what went wrong ? NO.. not that I know of.

I have written Nama so many letters I don't know which one to send.  What I do know is that I am itchy, and hot, and confused, and I feel horrible and this is no way to live.

Yes Kevin still has his $800 "bachelors degree" and $32.99 "doctorate degree" sitting on their website. They aren't from an accredited college by the department of education that include a well rounded college education in all fields of study. Meaning.. I went to school for 8 years to get two bachelors degrees and spent a good 20k dollars on my degrees at least. In fact now that I think about it I paid off a 30 thousand dollar student loan.  And kevin spent $800 on his degree and bought a certificate that enables him to put doctorates in front of his name.  And yes they are still advertizing on their website to do puncha karma. This is really upsetting to me.

No they have never once inquired about my condition and no they seem to not care why I have gotten a debilitating condition from their services.

These people do not care, and they do not take personal responsibility for their services.

I want to clarify... I do not BLAME denise for the hives. To better clarify I do not in anyway believe this was a premeditative thing that happened. Mistakes happen, misjudgements happen, ignorance happens. People practice medicines they do not understand and try to be something their not qualified to do out of ignorance.

What I blame Kevin and Denise for is not caring about their client, their student, nor being professional enough to want to investigate what happened in a forthright manner. I blame Kevin and Denise for pulling out and keeping the money of a student that seriously wanted to learn a medicine. Never in my life have I ever seen such a thing of a teacher running from a student who honesty wants to learn like this.

What I blame Denise and Kevin for is not having the professionalism to turn this into insurance and take care of their client. What I blame Kevin and Denise for is throwing away a student like trash because of something they did went wrong and judging that student wrongly. I blame them for trying to start a school and teach a class when they were too sick to do so.

What I feel is just gut wrenching is they do not have the common decency to write an apology letter nor inquire on how I am.

These are not healers, I feel these are people coming from places of ego. I feel these are people who make mistakes and run leaving someone else to pick up their trash. I know these to be people who made allot of statements to their students about truth, honesty, being there for people, and that all is one, and run like coward when things went wrong.

I know these to be very arrogant people who judge others and try to put them in boxes when the truth is they do not understand what happened to me or anything about autoimmune disorders and thyroid problems.

I do not respect these people. They do not come from a place of heart.

Never in my life would someone leave my table in that condition with me taking their money and turning my backs on them and demonizing them. I promise you people that. I just don't have that blockage of heart.

I forgive you Denise and Kevin, because I know ultimately it is between you and god. Most of the time I forgive you.. but then these darn things break out and I sit here in this pain.  God knows the truth of what happened, and I have very intuitive ways also and so do others. . I know I didn't do anything wrong but trust my teachers and end up very sick and financially drained.

I just feel the need to keep you updated. Since you didn't think to inquire on your own. I'm sitting here suffering, just thought Id let you know.
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Spoke to Ayurvedic Doctor

AUTHOR: Mira - (United States of America)

So  I spoke to a certain Ayurveda Doctor and I feel allot better and what I found out is that Denise did not do anything outside of her training. I have deduced this to be a case where Chinese Medicine understands more about the human body than her Ayurveda training does. I now understand that there is no regulation with Ayurveda and this makes me very weary.  I now have another reason to respect Chinese medicine so much more strongly than Ayurveda.

My next step is to go to the boards of Ayurveda in the United States for review. (This is not to punish your mother Amanda) this is out of professionalism and to make sure this doesn't happen to anyone else.  Ayurveda might need better regulations or changed in some ways and this is the first step to this process.

I am still disappointed about the lack of refund and being unfairly kicked out of school and my money taken. I am also disappointed about the lack of interest of Balance and Bliss to be apart of taking this to the board. I still am seeing Balance and Bliss's concern and aftercare extremely negligent. They could have easily called many people in the Ayurveda community for assistance with this issue and to give me support. And they did not need to take my school money and write me a harsh letter of false accusations without speaking with me first and letting me know there were any problems.  I am very happy that I went to so many doctors until I found one that could help me. That was the right thing to do even though Kevin thumbed me down for it.. turn every rock till I find someone who does understand and can help.

And of course I am disa-pointed by the other thumbing down comments of her husband and blaming of me that occurred from day one. That Denise didn't apologize hurts me.  You do not blame someones karma when they get sick.  I'm also offended by the bachelors degree mentioned on Kevins webpage that isn't accredited. And the $32.88 doctorates of divinity which is clearly misleading... I mean why bother?. This is not good especially if what they have to offer is a unregulated and very limited discipline that isn't yet in the health departments of the major universities.

My concern is that this medicine is not safe... namely punchakarma. I have talked to a few other people over the months who had bad punchakarmas also. A couple of wellness doctors of mine with MD's have strong feelings against some of the backwards therapies they use also. My concerns will need to be brought to NAMA.

I want to leave this post with a post Dr Eric Pearl posted and I hope someday Kevin and Denise and the class might read it.  At least maybe Amanda will. I think this embodies what I went through on an emotional level and why besides feeling financially cheated, I felt spiritually abused by the school of Balance and Bliss.

"Let us avoid the spiritual smugness of judging why someone got ill - as in, "He leads such a stressful life. Of course he got cancer." As human beings, we cannot possibly know the root of someone's illness. In addition, there are so many possible causes that are outside someones control - environmental toxins, genetic predisposition, food toxins, etc. Let us have the humility to recognize our limited perceptions, and let us avoid the destructive responses of blame and shame. When someone is ill, let us respond only with love, compassion, and support."

As I always said.. I do not blame Denise for what happened. Mistake happen, accidents happen, this happen. It is the aftercare and they way the situation was handled. And the prejudice with the schooling.
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Thank you Amanda !

AUTHOR: Mira - (United States of America)


Thank you so much for letting me know who you are.  I thought that was Denise and I am very happy to hear she did not write that.

I take it the reason that you are correcting my spelling is because I seem arrogant by pointing out the degrees that your father is posting on his website aren't accredited and do not represent a standard college education. I am not trying to thumb him down as unintelligent, but rather I am offended by these kind of claims of schooling Amanda. They are resume stuffing and for health practitioners to do so in my perspective was frightening.  You are right I should better check my spelling and my emotions are not good, as I was quite enraged by your fathers further thumbing down, belittlement, and abuse after I wrote a true and honest review on what happened to me at balance and bliss.

You must be the one marking my other reviews as funny. I feel very hurt and disrespected by this as I don't' feel anything that has happened in this situation is in anyway funny.  Amanda I have been very hurt and upset also. I have also been very ill this past year due to the services I was given at Balance and Bliss and it has been detrimental to my life and health.

Amanda, I sell limoges boxes. If one of my limoges boxes were damaged and was of no ones direct fault and I did not insure that limoges box it would be my responsibility to take over the cost of the damaged limoges box and all of the liabilities that happened as a result being a good business owner. But see I usually insure my limoges boxes so if one appears damaged I will of course call insurance and admit to the damage and have insurance pay the customer. This is what good business owners do. And of course if I did not give good services and did not try to work the situation out with the unhappy customer I would expect them to write an honest review.  Of course my body is not a piece of porcelain is it ? It is my life and my health.

I wrote some very nice letters to your parents last summer asking them to go to NAMA with me amicably to discuss this situation so that we did not have to play the blame game and we could sort this situation out with respect and they refused.

It is unfortunate that you see all of this writing as tiresome ranting.  I would see it as someone in pain and I would feel heart to try to sooth someone who is suffering.

I do not care whether she reads this or not. It felt good to write what I wrote and get it out.
I am talking with another doctor in the morning that I am hoping can help work this out.

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To Mira from the bottom of AMANDA'S heart

AUTHOR: Really...my name is Amanda - (USA)


This is Amanda...Denises daughter. This is not Denise or Kevin. I am a real person who REALLY works at Balance & Bliss.

Since I AM the person who responded to your first post, I was given the option to receive emails
concerning any updates made to this unbelievably long drawn out post. I am most likely the only person who has read all of this, and you can only imagine how I feel about you right now. All of this slander is an attempt at hurting the person that I care about the most in my life. I wouldnt be here without my mom.

Your posts have encouraged me to do just a few minutes of research on hives (I try not to waste too much time on you). One thing that was consistent throughout every website is that if you have hives for more than six weeks (Chronic Urticaria), the cause of the hives is impossible to determine for most people. Im sure you need to have someone to blame for your misfortune and if it was not my mom it would be somebody else.

Thank you for informing the world that you felt itchy after your pizza. Tomatoes are at the top of the list for causing hives and gastritis. You might want to cut them out of your diet, along with the rest of the pizza.

One more thing...although your spelling has improved over the past few months, there are two corrections I would like to make for you. The word allot is not a substitution for the two words a lot. Also, panchakarma is one word and it isnt spelled with a u? Really Mira...puncha karma?  If I see it spelled like that one more time Im going to get hives.

I have no doubt that this post will fuel your fire and Im sure you will have plenty to say about it. I might respond and I might not. Dont mistake the silence you receive from me as weakness or lack of something to say.

P.S. I checked my birth certificate and drivers license ...100% positive Amanda isnt a fake name. 
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AUTHOR: Mira - (United States of America)

My friend just emailed me this....

"I go from easy and inviting to harsh and sarcastic.
I have a broad range of delivery, from authoritative to manacle.
I am warm and confident, sexy, neutral for narrative, professional sounding and I can sell it as hard as anybody. " (quotes from Kevin O'Dunn)


I feel Kevin that you are a very hurtful cutthroat person who doesn't care who he effects emotionally, physically, financially, nor spiritually when they are in a time of extreme pain. And I fear you sleep like a baby like all of the other actors and marketers in this world.

My experience with you isn't much better than any experience I've ever had with any sufferer of addiction nor mental illness I have known. It has been a very cutthroat experience.

I spent 6 years and eight thousand dollars going to classes while I suffered from undiagnosed thyroid depression and waitressed with no time for a social life getting my two bachelors degree Kevin. Those years were hard and no joy as endlessly went to doctors and I search for a cure misdiagnosed with depression.

But hey you got  a bachelors degree for $800 ... and hey you could have even gone for the gusto... a bachelors, masters, and doctorates mail ordered cds all for only $2000.... wow... http://www.umsonline.org/pymtplans.htm

But instead you chose to only get your doctorates of divinity for... $32.99

I definitely find this to be very maniacal.

I am sorry for saying you do not do allot for people Denise, as I know you do. I was upset with Kevin belittling me and turning the table on me again.  You are a very articulate person and you are going to be an excellent teacher one day when you can put that worksheet down and really let go and teach. And when you don't have so much trauma around you and an husband wrecking motorcycles. I can't imagine that motorcycle riding is a proper Vedic lifestyle choice.  You did a great job for it being your first year and everything you went through.

I am dissapointed that I am not being refunded for everything and that you are not willing to talk to real vedic doctors about my condition and are continuing to do puncha karma. I am very dissapointed with how I was treated and how the situation was handled. I understand you have had a hard year. I have had a very very hard life and a very hard year also and  I don't' feel either one of you can even begin to fathom who I am or where I come from and what I have experience this past year, nor seen in my life.

I am sorry but I am going to need to make sure the people are warned about what happened to me.  This is out of common decency and was always something I intended on doing no matter I am willingly refunded or not. I am taking this above your head without you when I have the time and my emotions can handle it more calmly as I am still healing. It has been 11 months and right now I still have a couple hives and feel itchy because I ate two slices of pizza.. I guess it was the oregano and basil... funny I never had these problems before in my life...not before last February that is.  See I believe only a high end spiritualist, healers, and seers should be doing something like puncha karma and I am told that in India a practitioner would never attempt such a thing.

Possibly if you weren't nursing a cracked pelvic bone my condition would have had more attention and that was the problem? Or possibly you aren't really qualified.

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AUTHOR: Mira - (United States of America)

First of all I'd like to apologize for any misspellings above. I wrote that on my android phone and I have been pretty upset. I think anyone reading this can understand why I would be so upset, this is my health and life that has been jeopardized by their incompetence .

I still have the hives from time to time... not near as bad, but my lips will swell sometimes and my skin will break out in small patches. I am eating normal food again and I have been for the last month, but I clearly need to go back onto a strict diet to try and heal my gut more for many more months probably.

This condition is so confusing as I cannot figure out what I can and can't eat still. I have never been one to like any kinds of spices and this is a good thing.  What I do know for certain is that any digestive herbs are a no no... although Ayurveda according to Balance and Bliss says they are tri-doshic and safe, Chinese medicine says they are heating and not good for someone like me. I need to find a good doctor who better understands this condition and the person who gave me my jyotish reading and explained that Balance and Bliss did do things incorrectly, which did in turn return my confidence in Ayurveda, did give me some references.

I have not heard from Balance and Bliss still. You figure that they would contact a real Vedic doctor by now to find out the truth, or send me some kind of apology letter or a letter explaining their findings about my condition by now, but they do not seem to care about the truth and they do not seem to care about what happens to me and how horrible this year has been for me.

It's like if someone hits you in a car accident... there are some people who stay and apologize and make things right for the victim both emotionally and financially, and then there are the people who drive off quickly and run and repaint the car. Unfortunately it is my perspective that Balance and Bliss fall under the second category of driving off and repainting their car and hiding and putting on a false show.

As for me, never in my life would I behave like this and never in my life would I take someones money for these kind of horrid services. It's just not in me.

I think about how kind I was to these people the months following and I wish I had listened to everyone around me. I kept getting that feeling something was off the whole time, but I just never imagined these people were like this as I thought they were genuine people and Denise seemed like such a loving person with all her hugs. I really believed in these people, but unfortunately too much Hindu Heaven is just as bad as too much Hindu Hell. And what I realize looking back is they were too much marketing and not balanced people, but rather in my opinion are attached to "appearing" to be a little too perfect.

This is a very intrusive and serious therapy folks. Go to a real Vedic doctor and know in the end that these people will not care about you as a client or a student for that matter if something goes wrong. They will slander you with false accusations and run .

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AUTHOR: Mira - (United States of America)

Owning up to ones mistakes is about professionalism And is what mature adults do.

My karma is learning not to trust people because the honest and loyal ones are few and far between. That's why i didn't want to hug denise on the way out the door while she insisted at the end of class. I learned a long time ago people are the evil. People and their greed and their sick minds.

There are two scenerios going on.

Denise actually did think i was lying to Her and manipulating her during her stage four heart condition And in her tamasic state of mind was projecting the worse on me.

Or these are greedy people who lied and ran from thier mistakes. Or both....

I don't know which as i cannot read minds.... but they sure are ignoring 3k worth of mefical bills. either way they are Sick people. They won't even talk to me face to face and instead blew excuses at me so i think its most likely s the greed and ego.

The subject was interesting...the teacher was inexperienced. Only get puncha karma from a real vedic doctor. They deg ripped me off... Who gives someone 9 months of hives and watches them suffer and doesn't give a refund? These people are sick. Never in my life would i do that to someone.

Heres one of my favorite people in the world. He doesn't demonize people And he's not greedy. I'd rather hang out with him than ganesh anyday.

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No Response ? Let me recap here ....

AUTHOR: Mira - (United States of America)

Wow guys, no response from all the "friends" of balance and bliss.. I was hoping to be thumbed down alittle more and be called a liar and be accused as being someone who was withholding pertinant medical information.

So basically I contracted these hives from the puncha karma program with Denise. And I spent over 3K in doctors trying to find a cure and understand what happened. It was horrible, itchy, painful, and had me very confused.. I really liked Denise allot and I did not want to upset her, and I was very kind to her over this and I did everything I could to protect her feelings while continued to go to school. She could clearly see them all over my body and I did give her an update to the doctors I went to see to get a variety of opinions and to try find someone who could find a cure.

What was even worse was that Denise ended up very sick with a heart condition those months due to giving blood (her form of blood letting). The last months I saw her she looked like she was about to fall over as she taught class. I will admit I didn't let her know the seriousness of my hives and how suicidal I was in the end as every time I mentioned the hives she seems alittle upset, but I did mention them often trying to pick her brain for a cure as I went to over 3k worth of doctors and I tried to keep a smile on my face trying to be kind and considerate towards her problems.  I do so many emails I sent to her about the hives, it was not like I was withholding information, but due to the fact she was having health problems I was trying to be sensitive to her emotoinal stress level.

It was that last few weeks that things got really bad and I was in so much pain and so confused and I was up a variety of nights crying in bed in horrible pain.. I wrote Denise the last day of school that i was up in the tub with hives again and would be in late. That last day i was so sick and I knew I was confusing dates. The Chinese acupuncturist confirmed with me that i had been given too many spices and heat during puncha karma and my system was inflammed and finally I understood that this is what the other doctors were seeing as everyone was looking at the elephant from a different angle.   That I remember Denise's health looking better and I explained to Denise in severe pain how severe these hives have really been and how they were affecting my life, and my work. I told her how frustrated I was, and how I couldn't think straight.

Three days later I get a horrible shocking letter from her husband saying I am a liar and that i am manipulating Denise and that I must withdraw from school.   The reason were two reasons that were completely untrue and the third was because i got a date mixed up when looking at an incomplete email exchange between me and Denise.

After I explained these things they refused to believe me. They never once spoke to me or voiced that they had a problem with me prior. I did try to talk to her before talking the midterm about everything and she shushed me. Then after the midterm I was going to talk to her and she looked sick like she was going to fall over.

It just blows my mind of how much pain i was going through and how little regard they have for my pain, but how much regard I gave her for her pain.

But still these sit there with their dark minds demonizing me. never once did they want to talk to me like Mature adults. I even got a letter accusing me of withholding information.. which was not true. It seemed like all they could do was try to turn me into a horrible person.

They ended up kicking me out of school when I refused to withdraw. I spent thousand of school, read lots of extra books, went out to the NAMA conference, did all kinds of extras and dedicated my whole life to the program and healing studies that year.

What was even worse is after they kicked me out of school they went to the class and LIED and told them I withdrew. Never once did they talk to me, never once did they apologize. All they did was think the worse and never once did they consider how much pain I had gone through.

The school at Balance and Bliss is brand new. The classes were alright, but the days were long and got boring. I was really rather dissapointed that Denise didn't dedicate her whole year to the school and decided to take clients while teaching and forming a new program. Being the daughter of teachers and have three college degrees myself it seemed like alittle much. I clearly should not of gotten the puncha karma with her as it is clear to me now she had too much on her plate.

The after care from the puncha karma was terrible and It took me months to understand why I got the hives.

I'm sure the hives bothered Denise, and maybe she just didn't know what to do. I believe she was doing too much and simply did not put the time that she should have.  It is disturbing to me that she is not practicing under the supervision or support of some kind of Vedic doctors and chooses to do these intrusive methods with only a practitioners license and no bachelors, nor Doctoral degree.

i believe I should get my money back for the puncha karma and possibly some of the doctors I had to go to to undo what the puncha karma did to my body because the services were incompetant.

I believe I should get my money back for school as I was kicked out for reasons that were simply untrue and one reason that should have been understandable considering that i was sick and that other sick people in the class got Denises consideration.

I believe I was treated horribly and unfairly and I believe Kevin and Denise are purposely running from their responsibilities and have RIPPED ME OFF !!!

I encourage "whoever" is posting as a customer of Denises to post a rebuttle or agree :)

I am going up north tomorrow to study with the shamans. I will be back in a week. i am sorry Denise and Kevin that you still cannot  come to me and talk about things like a mature adult and own up to what really happened without demonizing and bullying me. I believe i have been through horrible pain this year and i have been treated unfairly. 

i apologize if I have ever been in anyway lacking in mindfulness but it is rather hard when I have Kevin writing me that i am living a wrong lifestyle, and that i am a liar and manipulator when the truth is I simply am not.  I am a very good hearted person who has dedicated my life to helping others and wanted to get a practitioners license and learn a modality of healing to help others further.  I am very hurt.

Denise said at the begging of the year she would always protect us, but the simply truth is that I was protecting her the whole time and she and Kevin ripped me off and treated me in fashion of disregard. I missed the gap to get a refund from my credit card company as i did not listen to my friends and family and chose to believe in and stick by Denise. 

A simple conversation face to face would have saved all of this from happening, but instead they chose to send me a demonizing letter demanding that I withdraw with things that were untrue attacking and judgmentally blaming my very nature.

What else can I say about this issue. Balance and Bliss has ripped me off and treated me very poorly.  

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AUTHOR: Mira - (United States of America)

I went through 8 month of chronic and debiliating hives and gastritus and this condition was contracted through the puncha karma that Denise O'Dunn gave me. My karma was blamed, I was accused of cooking for my brother (I don't even cook and my mother had a field day with that one). I was told I had hives because I didn't speak a name aloud during a meditation I did with her called Tarpana. 

I was kicked out of school saying that I manipulated her out of taking the midterm on time when I told her months ahead of time and she didn't allow me to take it prior.. Gee heres an email...

"I am glad that you were able to have Dr. Lad pulse you...did he distinguish between prakriti or vikriti when he said Kapha/Pitta?...just curious, because your prakriti has always shown slightly more pitta than kapha, but your vikriti has been consistently Kapha/Pitta...another thought is that when the two dominate doshas are so close, it can be a matter of opinion which is truly dominate, and at that point, your current state of vikriti becomes all the more important, which is Kapha/Pitta...it's all so interesting... ... ...one thing that we all (me, Dr. Soman, Dr, Lad and you) agree upon is that your current pitta condition of hives has a root cause of unresolved anger...it has manifested as ama in the ranjaka and
brajaka sub-doshas...I am referring to it as ama because it is undigested, unprocessed, uneliminated emotions...I know that we talked about this a little bit at the conference, but I didn't have time to explain more of my perspective on all of this...you see, during panchkarma you were sharing your frustrations about the people in your life that have taken advantage of your kindness, in really bad ways...you expressed your disappointment about false diagnosis of your health in the past...as well as the aggravation of dealing with your neighbor's fence/chicken issue...all of this was evidence of unfinished anger...I listened and offered what I hoped would be helpful (that's what I do, esp. during PK),
but when we went through Tarpana, you needed it to be silent...of course, my position is to honor that, and hope that what you did in silence would help complete the PK process of total cleansing and rejuvenation (including mind and emotions)...as I evaluated you during PK, your pulse was never showing signs of of excess pitta, yet you developed a pitta condition...I knew that the hives were not a result of the pitta methods that are used during PK (I was evaluating you all along and there was no evidence of high pitta or vata pushing pitta), but now I understand the direct relationship of the one process that seems to have been incomplete during PK, clearing the anger...it's stuck in your dhatus and
srotamsi...this explains why all of the methods that you have used since your PK haven't resolved the hives...you are going to need to get to this "root cause" in order to truly move beyond your current condition and avoid this happening again...I am glad that you are following Dr. Lad's protocol (thank you for sharing his recommendations) and I hope that you will see the results that he promises, it's a wonderful pitta reducing plan and should offer you relief from the hives...but please keep in mind there may may still be another step you need to make to complete the underlying
pitta...I am thinking that a shamanic process to release the anger would resonate with you and would be the end of what has been a long and difficult journey...I hope that you will know the peace that comes when suffering has ended (om shanti)...

OK, about your exam...I am still working on the exam and may be up to the last minute, so we will need to schedule a time for you to take the exam after this weekend and when you return...sorry that it couldn't be before...are you going to be here Saturday to take your APT 114 quiz and then the herb exam?...just let me know... "
I know that no one wants to believe that Denise isn't being fair and know everyone wants to think she is a sane person. I didn't want to believe that Denise wasn't being fair, but she is not. She refuses to own up to what happened during puncha karma. How on earth my chicken neighbors stress caused a condition like I had and not speaking aloud a name during a meditation is simple lunacy.

I work with shamans and energy work takes years to take real affect. The shamans told me she messed me up. What she did do though is she put me on a heating kitchery for ten days and overheat my body which inflammed my whole system and messed up my digestive tract knowing I had a sensitive system with inflammatory problems.  It is interesting how she points out that "I know I didn't heat you up to much"... because months later I finally realized this condition was due to too much heat. I am fearful that she knew the whole time and didn't tell me why I was suffering.. I mean why did she bother to defend herself in that email?

Also Dr Lad diagnosed me with post puncha karma pitta. Why did he put me on a pitta reducing regime? I did Dr Lads regime to the t and it did not work.. I believe the reason being was because I was on the prednisone and it was masking the seriousness of my condition when he saw it. My whole  system was left inflamed from the puncha karma. 

 The only people that know that this case was filed three days ago is Denise as it was only sent to her email so far by rip off report. So whoever you people are that are liking and disliking you are obvious her immediate friends and/or husband and how you people can see the pain I went through for so many months I do not understand. It is clear to me now that Denise understood Dr Lads diagnosis and when she kept saying she did not know what caused the hives that she very well may have been fibbing. I kept getting the feeling in the class there was something about my chronic condition of hives and severe illness that was emotionally affecting Denise.  Am I right to suspect that she was feeling guilt ? Am I right to suspect that she understood why I got this condition and I realized it clearer when we started to study the digestive tract ? I mean food that moves outward from the small intestines causes hives.. it was right in her teachings.  Is it not fair to conclude if the food I was eating was not being properly digested and going straight into my blood stream that everything in that food may have been affecting my brain?

I know everyone loves Denise, but I am convinced that she messed up and turn me into the bad guy with her husband , who I feel is a coward and dishonestly stealing my money 

As far as the accusations about my insecurities and such. I do not understand what you think I'm insecure about. I spent 8 months of my life in pain and unable to function.  I have admitted I messed up the dates of the presentation because I looked at the wrong email that she sent me and I thought it was in july... here is the email I mistakenly looked at.....this is why I thought the presentation was in July and not June. I looked at the wrong email.    

no she is not being fair considering I was having severe chronic hives breakouts all month and suicidal  and mentally confused from all of the toxins hitting my brain from the messed up digestive tract from her puncha karma treatment. Never in my life have I ever had hives nor any kind of gastrice in my life. . And then I got a demonizing enraging letter from her loud husband accusing me of being a manipulator and liar after I finallly figured everything out and why I had them and I had a chinese doctor finally explain how the heating spices she put me on caused them. No i am not a manipulator nor a liar, his wife messed up and they do not want to give me an honest refund for services not rendered both in schooling and puncha karma. This is not because of my greed this is because it would be the decent thing to do. 

I openly admit to imperfections I may have in my life and I did not do anything wrong here .. I would like my money refunded to me as it was not my miscalculation that caused my hive. I hate hot food, I never eat with hot spices. I never liked hot anything .  All I ever mixed for myself was grounding teas and I have always been attracted to grounding foods. 

Here is her email showing that I did look at the wrong email and got the dates messed up. It was an honest mistake and my mind was flustered for months from this condition. 

"Hi Mira...I realized that I didn't attach the amended calendar...also confirming that you are going to do your presentation on 7/8...blissful blessings...Namaste' Denise

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Denise O'Dunn <balanceandbliss@gmail.com>wrote:

> Greetings Mira...the website link that you included here is for the > un-amended school calendar...after I returned from being with my mom > through her passing, I had to add 2 sessions into the year to catch up...I > gave everyone a calendar with the new class session dates...I am attaching > it here for you...earlier in this string if emails you offered to do your > presentation the weekend of the 16th and 17th of June...I was thinking of > finishing-up the presentations in June, but if you would like to > have another month, I am fine with scheduling your presentation for Sunday
> 7/8...just let me know and I will get it on the schedule...blessings
> Mira...Namaste' Denise
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Limoges Boutique < > service@limogesboutique.com> wrote:
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>> Denise,
>> You put me for 6/17/12 for my presentation... but i dont believe we >> have class that weekend. I believe you were looking at 2011. i think you >> meant to put me at 07/06/2012 07/08/2012 >> weekend...which will be perfect because I'm planning on doing a shamanic >> depossession intentive in oregon 6/5-6/10. So combined with all of the
>> Ayurveda stuff I'm reading ... I'll be really on the up and up on the >> subject by July.  "

So it is nice that you think Denise is so fair and reasonable.. but she simply is not being so in this case. She knows what really happened and so does her husband. 

This is what I looked like from head to toe for 8 months straight as I had severe gastritise and hives when I ate anything normal. I had to eat medicated shakes and things to rebuild the lining of my stomach to get rid of the hives and gastritis . It made my mind confused and I could not function as my immune system was over taxed and I was sleeping up to 16 hours a day. 

Tt is nice that Denise is such a warm wonderful fair person, but with me she has not been . She never owned up to what happened during puncha karma and looked for any insane reason to blame me for my condition and her husband slandered me. I never in my life thought she would react in this way, but she did. 

That is her and her husband karma and unfortunately I am going to have to go through the emotional pains of contacting allot of organizations and probably eventually do a lawsuit, And believe me I will spend the money to hire and lawyer and I will go through with it. They can count on that. 

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dark mind and projection

AUTHOR: Mira - (United States of America)

Kevin I am 98% sure that fan of Denise was you. I remember how Denise shushed me in her office before I took the midterm and looked nervously at you like she didn't want you to hear me talking about my hives.

How about this scenerio Kevin. You are the manipulator and liar and you are projecting your own dark self and you are the one who is hurting everyone's heart due to greed. You are the one who is afraid of being sued and having the pay the money rightfully payed back and you have chosen to write me a horrible letter attacking me and kicking me out of school with accusations that simply were not true instead of owning up to what happened. You told Denise to never own up to what happened. Is this what possibly happened ?

Before I received those letters from you Kevin I never once thought in terms of manipulation or lies. I was running around in pain going to doctors looking for a cure and trying to figure out what went wrong. I thought Denise and you were authentic people who really didn't understand what went wrong during puncha karma and who would do the right thing as I protected you from the comments and the legal things my friends and family were trying to get me to do. I remember Denise looking at her toes saying "I don't know what caused your hives" . You are the one who brought such dark thoughts into the equation Kevin and I would bet my life on the fact that this "fan of Denise" is you. The writing style has your thumbing down antics in flavor.  It seems all you do is try to find an avenue to attack me personally and never once did you consider talking to me like a mature adult about the situation. You just sent me a awful shocking letter of accusations when I had no idea there was anything wrong. I thought I was doing the most respectable thing by sticking with school, giving Denise updates, and doing my best job.

As far as Denise's teaching goes, I would like to let everyone know that she is not a horrible teacher. She does have a very kind heart and a very warm and kind way to her. It was her first year of teaching and the material wasn't presented in a very interesting way, but that is to be expected on the first year, as she really doesn't know it thoroughly. She has never been to college so she probably doesn't know a variety of ways to run a class and is learning. She also had allot of personal tragedy this year and I feel this has allot to do with my getting the hives, her misjudgments, and how she treated me.  

I do believe Denise can develop into an excellent teacher for the practitioners license program and I would encourage her to keep on going as far as that goes. I just do not understand why a school like yours does not have a Vedic doctor or someone with a Bachelors in Vedic medicine behind it, and why on earth are you allowed to do something as intrusive as puncha karma on people without the support of a Vedic doctors approval. I have learned my lesson as far as never going to a practitioner again. I wish I had gone and gotten the schooling from a more seasoned school where it didn't have dark minded husbands attacking someone who got hives with mistruths because he probably didn't want to financially own up to anything.   I will be taking this up strongly with a variety of organizations. 

As far as going to the school of balance and bliss, I would advise people to try to go to a school with someone that has a BA or Doctorates in Vedic medicine in charge of it, unless Balance and Bliss incorporates some more professional people among it's staff . There are some online schools in Vedic medicine right now.  What was also disturbing is when Denise got sick she taught four full weekends with a stage four heart condition. I felt sick as I watched her teach while it looked like she was going to fall over all day. I was about to go talk to Kevin about this and suggest he sit there and read from a worksheet all day and let her sleep.  Why don't they have someone that can fill in if the teacher gets this sick ? This is why I couldn't get into how badly these hives were affecting my life early on with them during that period in time, as Denise was just as sick and I didn't want to stress her heart out further. She looked so upset when I mentioned them, but I had to keep her up with their progress as it was affecting my schooling, which I did as I have a dozens of emails talking about them. 

Beyond that, Kevin I will be honest to let you know that I have no respect for you and neither does many others around me... and this includes allot of people in the wellness community on the south side of town. They have read your letters and my emails exchanges with Denise. They saw my hives for months and they saw how badly I suffered. They have known  me for years and know the authenticity of my character. If anyone is hurting Denise's heart  and reputation it is you with your cowardice and attacking of others character. If you had a real problem with me you would have sat down with me and spoke to me. Denise could have done the same. What your issues are if there are any beyond greed I do not know to this day. I did nothing wrong, I tried my hardest to get well and I have 3 k worth of doctor bills and hundreds of pictures to prove it. I was honest to Denise and I tried to protect her feelings while she was ill. I am not one with the dark mind and dark karma, and I sure am not pushing my values and belief systems on others. 

Well now you guys can start answering to NAMA and some other organizations because I am tired of it. I will also be continuing my reporting on what happens to websites such as this and I am trying to get ahold of new channel 8. This is completely unacceptable and a disgrace. 

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AUTHOR: Mira - (United States of America)

This has been up for two days ... it isn't ranking on google , so who has found this page already ? I did give Ripoff report Denise's email.. that is the only person who could have seen this already. 

No doubt this is Denise and Kevin posting these, because no one else would find this page in two days. ..unless Denise and Kevin showed them. 

I was a Denise groupie also, until I got chronic hives all over my body and was kicked out of school with mistruths attacking my character and taking my money. Are you kidding? I have 3 thousand dollars of doctors bills here from going to doctors trying to cure these hives I got from her puncha karma. I have sent this to Denise and Kevin. They have no sympathy. 

They did steal my money and I got terrible letters from her husband Kevin accusing me of being a liar and manipulator. I am neither and I have plenty of witnesses to the fact and plenty of photographic evidence with dates on the photos. I was in severe pain. They have taken thousands from me and they have not owned up to what happened to me. They wrote me and refused to talk to a Vedic doctor accusing me of causing my own hives. They told me they did not have to talk to a doctor. 

I am a good person who has dedicated my whole life to others. Denise dedicates herself to others ? really? I thought she only believed in taking money for everything she did. She put me down for giving too much. I'm the one who takes people in who are homeless off the streets, I'm the one who takes care of my mentally ill brother my whole life, I'm the one who helped my sister raise her kids, I'm the one who put my friends through school, and has taken care of many people with mental illnesses, I am the one who fosters dogs. Are you serious ?  

Denise and Kevin are the one who are  greedy and cannot dare have their ego challenges and are not paying me what is rightfully mine. What has Denise and Kevin ever done where they didn't received a paycheck for? I spent $2300 for ten days of work that Denise did on me. She worked 3 and 1/2 hours a day... so  that $2300 for 35 hours of work. That is $65 dollars an hour she made as she gave me a debilitating chronic condition. And then the schooling I paid for was almost 4K... they  kick me out with a shocking letter making three false claims.

Two I wish I have emails to prove that they are not telling the truth. The other claim was true that I got the date mixed up on the presentation though I have an emailing from Denise stating that my presentation was to be given in July and you can see clearly how I got the weekends mixed up. But they will not accept that and Kevin instead chose to continue attacking my character. As far as the schooling goes it was not very good.  They were long days listening to her read from a worksheet all day. This is her first year of teaching and she has no prior teaching experience. 

Then you have someone like me that gives my time and money to others for free. Does Denise give her time and money to others for free ? Really ? I sure didn't notice her calling  her Vedic doctors trying to find a cure for these hives the I got during her puncha karma. I would think that would be the least she could do.

This letter above, which I know is written by Denise and Kevin or some close yuppie associate in their office, is EXACTLY the elitist thumbing down I am talking about.  It is exactly what i am talking about. It is nice that you like Denise and you will give her a good write up, but the simple truth is I have three letters from Kevin and numerous emails proving my ever claim.  These people are so worried about her reputation and that they simply do not care what happened to me. 

I was nice to them and proper to them for five months while they thumbed me down. I am done. I have done nothing but been honest here. Like I said too much Hindu heaven is just as bad as too much Hindu hell according to her own beliefs. Own up to what happened and pay me what is mine. Tell Kevin and Denise to stop being greedy, I am the one who is ten thousand dollars in the hole over all of this. 

 She  cannot own up to what she did to me during puncha karma and it was easier for Kevin to kick me out of school and steal my money with cowardice claims and mistruths (which I have emails to prove) than to talk to me about things maturely and come up with a mature solution. I was never angry at her  as I know people make mistakes, but she cannot own up to it and make things right financially.  They have ripped me off thousands and left me sick for months sending abusive accusations that were not true.

Because she cannot own up to it, I am going to turn every rock to make her own up to it. 

I was once a Denise Groupie also... and all she did was squash me and thumb me down after I challenged her ego and her sense of perfection.  My Karma caused my hives, I cooked for my bother, I didn't speak out loud during Karpana..  go to the shamans for help... these are the straws she graps to rather than the plain old obvious fact that she misdiagnosed me and gave me too much heat during puncha karma. It inflammed my whole digestive system and it messed up my stomach lining. As a result I went through 8 months of severe debilitating pain and illness.  

This comment above is exactly what i am talking about by being fake. There is noone who would have seen this in three days other than Denise and Kevin. How about you tell the truth Denise that that is you above? Would you not see this as manipulating to post posts behaving like an AMANDA or some friend of yours?

Why on earth would I both writing the BBB,  NAMA, her teacher,  four long letters to Denise and Kevin if I wasn't telling the truth ? Why would I bother with all of this ?

For what purpose would I be manipulating anyone ? How am I being greedy by wanting my money back after contracting severe hives and for the educational services not rendered and certificate I was not allowed to complete ?

I have a  business, two college degrees, and a life. I don't have time for all of this just to do for no reason. All I want is my money that they took from me refunded fairly. 


I HAVE EMAILS FROM HER BACKING UP MY EVERY CLAIM... IF THAT ISN'T DENISE THAT WROTE THAT ABOVE... GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND I WILL BRING THEM ALL TO YOU. I will email then to you. How about I start copy and pasting her emails and putting Kevins letters to me up. He actually wrote me and refused to talk to a real Vedic doctor.

I never insulted her once. It was Kevin that came after me like he did.  I know Denise has a good heart... until I got hives from her puncha karma and she could not have her reputation challenged and then her husband sent me attacking letters. 

Having a good heart isn't what this is about. Owning up to your profession is what this is about. Paying back money that you took from someone because you could not perform your services is what this is about. 

I believe they kicked me out of school because Denise was upset over this, so it was easier for Kevin to just throw me away and run like a coward and take my money. Well this is not going to happen Kevin.  

Denise is not the victim here, I am. I spent 8 months in pain, and have thousands taken from me . I was not allowed to complete the program I spent thousands of dollars on. I'm so sorry I have challenged your idea of Denise. Denise needs to refund my money. She has ripped me off . 

Can you people do anything like stick to the facts and quite sticking up for Denise's character and calling me a liar.. I am not a liar. This is about how she ripped me off.  I thought all the same things you wrote about Denise. This is why I protected her feelings so long after it happened.  Then I get a letter from Kevin full of mistruths stealing my money. 

This is Denise and Kevin writing this and obviously you don't even have the honesty to give an honest rebuttle to the money that was stolen.  Inquire within and figure out who is greedy and who was the liar Denise. You know why I got those hvies. You know how sick I was. I have an email here I sent you explaining the week before I took the midterm. 

From Mira ****

The one who isn't fake and isn't afraid to post my name.  The one who isn't greedy and just wants what is rightfully mine. 

When is Kevin and you coming over to my house to see how I live ? When ? I've been waiting. I want the two of you to look me dead in the eyes and see my home and see how I live and tell me I live some wrong lifestyle and call me a liar.  I am not a liar and I am not a manipulator.  I am a good person . 

I challenge you to come to my home and see how I live and who I really am. I challenge you both ! I also challenge you to post an honest post with a real name and real person. 
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there is no truth to your description and i suspect your story

AUTHOR: Brothermann - (United States of America)

I can assure anyone reading this the person described above is not Denise O Dunn of Balance and Bliss. I have been a client and customer of Denise's for many years going back to her days in St. Pete and i can honestly say there is not one drop of credible info here describing her or her business. 

Denise is one of the most compassionate, patient, selfless people that you will ever meet.
She is honest, fair, generous, courteous, professional and full of wisdom that she is willing to share with anyone. She does not judge or discriminate. 

Her road has not been an easy one but her determination has led her to a place in life that she is able to share her knowledge and product with more people than ever before.
I call that good Karma and there is plenty of it around Denise O Dunn.

Her vibe is refreshing and radiant. Its something that sticks with you if you let it.
She is a very inspirational person to many of us.
Her clients including myself all agree we could not have found a better person to lead us in the search of a healthier way of living.

Bottom line...Denise O Dunn is one of the sweetest kindness people you will ever meet in your lifetime.

She would never even know how to speak a negative word about you and that is what makes me so sick about your rant.

Shame on you writer for trying to bring down a wonderful woman, her amazing family and a honest business that she has worked so hard for while keeping things transparent enough for all to see.

Your complaints are nothing but slander i suspect motivated by your selfishness, insecurities and greed.

At the same time your negative energy will work against you by turning into positive karma...shining the light on Denise in a positive way giving me and i can promise you many others a platform to talk about how wonderful Denise o Dunn is. 

Thank you 

Your fan ;)
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One update of misinformation on my behalf

AUTHOR: Mira - (United States of America)

It was not a 30 day cleanse, it was a three week cleanse. It was a 21 day cleanse.  I started the puncha karma on 2/21/2012, and the hives popped out on 2/2/2012.  So the hives began to pop out on the 12th day of the program... not the 20th as I wrote above. This was a mistake in my memory as I am looking at all of our old email correspondences and getting exact dates now in order to submit what happened to the authorities. 

I have to admit everything is a blur as the confusion and pain I have been through over the months has been devastating. 

As I look through these emails I cannot believe she actually wrote for me to go to a shaman to cure my hives that I got during her program and that the hives were caused by anger in my dhatus (body tissues) and that she needed to heat me up in order to get my anger out of my body. This woman is not right in the head...who purposely heats someone up in order to expel being upset to an already upset person. I thought we were suppose to calm our body and mind in order to handle stress. These emails in my honest opinion are delusional. 
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You Disagree ?

AUTHOR: Mira - (United States of America)

So, you think it is ok that i got severe chronic hives from these people and was treated like I was having my karma blamed rather than them taking responsibility for their methods and lack of training.   You think that it was ok to have all my money taken and get kicked out of school and have all my schooling money taken when they were not treating the other students with the same requirements ? You think it is ok that what happened to me brought my whole life to a painful standstill for months and that these people should do nothing in regards to acccountabiliby? Are you serious ?

Who is Amanda? I don't remember an Amanda over there and I went there for a year, although I don't remember exactly what Denise's daughters name was, and I'm certain Amanda could be a fake name.

It is nice that you disagree but I am now thousands of dollars in debt and I have been blamed because of my karma and I was told that I had stored anger in the fibers of my body and this caused the hives. She refused to even consider it could be all of the spices and herbs that caused the hives and the overheating of my body, and she refused to speak with a real Vedic doctor about what happened. 

No she chose to blame me in front of the class and make me a bad seed, when all I did was everything she told me to do. 

This is spiritual fanaticism and abuse. 

It is nice that you disagree and you think Denise and her husband are so swell. I have to simply disagree with you. I think Denise took on way more than she could chew and decided my hives were a nuisance and that she didn't want to have to give me back my money and found any lame reason to get rid of me and not own up to what happened and the financial results keeping my money and ripping me off.  

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I disagree...

AUTHOR: Amanda - (USA)

I love Balance & Bliss Ayurveda! I go to work there everyday, and look forward to it (which is a lot more than most people can say about their jobs). I recommend Balance & Bliss to anyone who is interested in everything from Ayurvedic treatments and products...to pursuing a career in Ayurveda.  
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