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Complaint Review: Boulder Pools & Waterscapes - Kyle Texas

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  • Boulder Pools & Waterscapes 1000 Grassland Ln Kyle, Texas United States of America

Boulder Pools & Waterscapes Jim Brisco, Boulder Pools, waterfallsusa sub-standard pool building and pool equipment installation. Kyle, Texas

*Author of original report: More Truth About Jim Brisco and Boulder pools

*Author of original report: Always blaming someone else for your mistakes.

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Gas line is responsibility of homeowner

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My latest complaint is: About three weeks ago, our Hayward spa heater would not ignite. That incurred into a service call to the Propane company in order to make sure that there was propane in the tank. The propane serviceman actually found that there was gas in the tank. He also inspected the gas lines, gas lines hookups and gas regulator outside of the heater. None of those were the cause of the problem. Such service call had cost me $45.00 Next, I called the Hayward Representative. The Hayward rep inspected the heater, and he found the following: 1. Heater was not set up correctly.  2. Valve gas pressure inside heater was not set to the proper setting. 3. Remote control wire inside heater not wired correctly.  4. Remote control wire not hooked up at all in control panel. The Hayward rep service call had cost me $85.00 After the problem was identified and fixed, I contacted Jim Brisco, Boulder Pools owner, and asked him to reimburse me for the total of $130.00, which is the combined amount of both service calls. Such charges would have never happened if Jim Brisco have done his job right from the beginning. Now Jim Brisco refuses to reimburse me the full amount, and only offering to pay for half of $85.00 the Hayward rep charged me. He is balaming the propane company for not hooking up the gas lines correctly, which I informed him that they were not the source of the problem. The Hayward rep found the actual source of the problem. I have sent three e-mails to Jim Brisco, and also have called him twice asking him to aknowledge his negligence for not setting up the spa heater correctly, and to reimburse me the $130.00 that his negligence has cost me this time around, but again, Jim Brisco refuses to reimburse me that money.


I will post at a later date, all the other problems from last year (2008) that the Hayward rep found, which Jim Brisco had previously had his employees "fixed to specs".


 

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More Truth About Jim Brisco and Boulder pools

AUTHOR: Austin_Pool_Reporter - (USA)

POSTED: Friday, December 11, 2009

Our pool was built and finished around the begining of May 2008. Our pool is 20ft wide by 40ft long, with a propane heated Spa about 6ft wide by 6ft long.

When we first met Jim Brisco, the owner and pool builder of Boulder Pools, we asked him if he could build our pool using Diamond Brite Super Blue plaster, manufactured by SGM (www.sgm.cc), to which he answered yes.
After the plaster company he chose applied the plaster to our pool and spa, and after the curing process, they filled up the pool with water. It was then when we noticed that the color of the pool plaster finish was white, not blue as we had asked.
When we brought it to Jim Briscos attention, he stated that he would do an "Acid Bath" treatment to our pool, and that would bring out the color that we wanted.
After he did the acid bath, he required us to brush the pool twice a day for two weeks, to "help" the plaster expose the blue color we asked for.
We followed his instructions, but after the two weeks, there was no change in the color of the plaster.
We attempted numerous times to get in touch with him for at least two months, with no luck. I have the e-mails and phone records to prove it!!.
Finally, since we were holding his final check payment for $3,200.00, he called us.
Then we told him that he needed to fix the plaster to be the color we asked for.

On July of 2008, he finally sent the plaster company to empty the pool and do an "Acid Wash",  which is different that the "Acid Bath" in the sense that they had to spot treat the whole pool in order to expose the blue color we asked to begin with.
Once they finsihed the "Acid Bath", the pool was no longer white, but "spotty": some areas had the right blue color, while other areas were semi-white. We told him that the result was unacceptable.

We had a representative from SGM, the manufacturer of the Diamond Brite Super Blue plaster,  come over to our house, in the presence of the pool builder Jim Brisco, so he could assess the reason why the plaster work had turned out so bad.
The SGM rep, noted that the application was done correctly, but that the acid wash was not done right.
So we were back to square one.

The SGM rep suggested to have the pool emptied and acid washed again.
However, every time you have a pool acid washed, it takes away at least two years of life out of the plaster finish. So our barely one year old pool, would have the same wear of a five year old pool.
The only other option, was for the pool builder to chip-off the current plaster, apply a new Diamond Brite plaster, and acid wash it properly this time. This would cost the pool builder about $6,000.00
We tried to be reasonable, meaning naively trusting Jim Brisco, and decided to give the second acid wash a try, just as the SGM rep had suggested.

Well, on February 27th 2009, the pool builder and his plaster crew emptied the pool and did the second acid wash. The result: Now the pool had "streaks" of white, and scratches to the surface where there  were none before the first and second acid wash.
Furthermore, they "patched" a small area where the acid had penetrated too deep.
The "patched" was very noticeable, because it has a whiter color than the "streaky" areas.
This was, at the time, the last major unresolved problem we have with Boulder Pools.
Other major problems that finally got resolved, which came up over the past year were:
1.Spa shell was leaking
2.Pool Chlorinator was defective, which they had to replace four times, as stated by Jim Brisco himself.
3.Pool pump was leaking, which they had to replace twice.
4.Spa Heater and Pool pump were not "grounded", making them hazardous to be around.
5.Spa heater was not installed up to safety codes.

Now, items #4 and #5 were reported to me by the Hayward Representative, when he came to inspect  after a couple of weeks that the pool pump on item # 3 was installed correctly and that it was working as designed. If the Hayward Rep hadnt come by to do such inspection, I would have never known about those issues.
 
I have more truthful data to come, but for now, let's see what Jim Brisco has to say about these last two rebuttals of his mediocre workmaship and unethical business practices.
 

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Always blaming someone else for your mistakes.

AUTHOR: Austin_Pool_Reporter - (USA)

POSTED: Friday, December 11, 2009

Do not trust Jim Brisco/Boulder Pools & Waterscapes
Jim Brisco forgets that this website is for consumers that did not get anywhere by reporting businesses like his to the BBB.
Besides, Jim Brisco has only been part of the BBB for barely two years. Just about the time when I was reporting all of these problems to him.
 
Again, Jim Brisco need to read the notes in the invoice from the Hayward Rep.
The mistake was done by Jim Brisco and his crew.
The gas lines and gas lines hookups were not the problem.
Neither was the gas regulator outside of the heater.

Here are again the Hayward Representative's notes. Pay special attention to Item # 2: Gas pressure was not set in heater.

Item # 1. Heater was not set up correctly.
Item # 2. Gas pressure was not set inside heater.
Item # 3. Remote control wire in heater not wired correctly.
Item # 4. Remote control wire not hooked up at all in control panel.

All of these items are Jim Brisco company's responsibility.
The gas lines and gas lines hookups were not the problem.
The propane company can not touch the inside the Hayward heater.
This must be done by Jim Brisco and/or his crew, or by the Hayward Rep. 

The Hayward Rep is on stand by to speak with Jim Brisco at any time to rebutt his lies about the conversation Jim Brisco and him had regarding this last issue.

Just as Jim Brisco put it so "matter-of-factly" on an e-mail he sent me,"I, Jim Brisco, Boulder Pools owner stand behind the work I do".
Well, Jim Brisco needs to stand behind the mediocre work him and his company did on my pool and pool equipment.
Jim Brisco is to be held accountable for his mistakes, not blaming someone else.

Since the heater would not ignite, that incurred into a service call to the Propane people in order to make sure that there was propane in the tank.
Such service call cost me $45.00
Once the Hayward Representative inspected the heater, he found that the heater wiring was not done correctly and the gas pressure inside the heater was not set.
The Hayward Rep service call was $85.00

Such service call charges would have never happened if Jim Brisco had done his job right from the beginning.

Jim Brisco stated on a previous e-mail he sent me that "Hysteria always sounds good, but once you look at the facts, my crew is not incompetent"
Well, the facts are coming directly from the Hayward Rep.

Jim Brisco and his crew have done a mediocre job with my pool and pool equipment.
It does not matter how many pools Jim Brisco have built.
The mediocre job Jim Brisco did on mine is the one I care about first.
Pay for mistakes, Jim Brisco. Do not blame someone else.

Regarding the other issues Jim Brisco mentions on his rebuttal, those were finally "fixed" after I called him and e-mailed him every two days.
Yes they were corrected, but only because besides the phone calls and e-mails I sent to Jim Brisco, I was holding the last check for $3,200.00 that Jim Brisco also mention in his rebuttal.

We had a pool before made with Diamond Brite plaster, and we did not have a problem for eight and a half years.
We also have three friends that have their pools made with Diamond Brite plaster. One of them has it for over twelve years without problems.

Jim Brisco told us he usually did not use that plaster company he chose to use, but that that he trusted the quality of the work they do.
Jim Brisco never "recommended" that we should not go with Diamond Brite for our plaster.
 
I have more truthful things about Jim Brisco to come soon.



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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Gas line is responsibility of homeowner

AUTHOR: Boulder Pools & Waterscapes - (United States of America)

POSTED: Monday, November 02, 2009

In responding to Demitrio s complaint, he left out the key issue of the problem with his Hayward swimming pool heater not working correctly. The fact is that my construction contract with him stated that we were in no way responsible for the hook up of the gas line or gas hookups to any equipment. Heaters have three systems that need to be hooked up. One is the water line from the pump to the spa or pool, the second is the electrical system, and the third is the gas hookup, where the gas technician sizes the supply line and sets the appropriate gas pressure on the regulators. The propane company he hired did not do the job correctly.

The bill by the Hayward equipment technician stated that the gas pressures were not set. When I explained to the Hayward technician that came to the job, that we were not responsible for hooking up the gas line and that it was done by the propane company, he agreed that we were not responsible. Soot build-up in the heater after it was used for over a year finally caused the heater to malfunction. This was not our companys responsibility as I have pointed out to the homeowner numerous times.

The remote control system not being hooked up was our fault, and I offered to repay half of the Hayward repair technicians invoice. I told Mr. Herrera that if he had any problems in the future, he should contact me for warranty work, just as a car owner would contact a car company before incurring a bill at an auto shop, if he expects me to pay for it.  Mr. Herrera also decided at one point that I shouldnt pay the propane companys bill, but has since changed his mind.

His other issues that he had with the pool equipment that he referred to  happened over a year ago, and  were as follows: Unfortunately, he had three defective pieces of brand new equipment, Hayward booster pump, Rainbow chlorinator, and Jandy valve, that we installed on his pool,. These items were defective and we replaced them at our expense, after sending technicians out numerous times to check on them. He had a small punch list that included items such as not re-hooking up bond wires after checking all of the plumbing lines for the leak that ended up being the new Jandy valve, the heater being a little too close to a window, and a valve being in the wrong place on the equipment hookup, these were all corrected, nothing major despite his concerns.

Mr. Herrera also had a problem with the acid wash on a Diamond Brite pool plaster job that a plaster sub-contractor did on his pool. He ended up keeping the last $3,200 of his pool contract which the plaster company repaid me. This was the first time I used this particular company since I normally dont encourage a Diamond Brite finish. I also fixed a small migration water problem in the spa because they missed a small area with the plaster.  

Mr. Herrera filed a complaint with the BBB and after all of the correspondence was finished, I received an A plus rating with them since this was my first complaint in a decade of building pools in the central Texas region, and we conducted ourselves with integrity during the complaint process. Mr. Herrera even changed his mind about the terms after a settlement had been agreed upon with the BBB.

If you want a pool built by a reputable company that hasnt advertised in the last two years and goes solely by word of mouth and referrals, then you might give me a call at 512 801-0863. We use mineral ionization systems for our sanitation systems which are truly the most natural and greenest technology on the market,  have done artificial rock work in the Bahamas on a large resort pool, and built a Waterpark.  About one third of our business is remodels on older pools. Once again we get these jobs by word of mouth and referral. My record of hundreds of satisfied pool customers over the past decade, speaks for itself. We are not a rip off company, but a company with high ethical standards. We wouldnt have offered to pay for the problem with the remote if we werent, but we are not paying for another companys mistake hooking up the gas line.

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