Bud Shell Ford ripoff, threatening, ignored our complaints, fraudlent, deciet, greed, sells lemon cars, ripoff liars Kennett, Dexter, Cape Girardeau Missouri

 So, it is now 2020... and while I am wondering what became of the 2006 update I personally submitted is (I have the entire screen grabs), STILL waiting for a single penny to be refunded from our absolute LEMON purchase, only now it has changed. MR "BUD SHELL" Himself has passed on, yet the ingrate whom continually instigated all this chaos remains, Mr. Larry Ellision...now via Blackwell/Baldwin of Poplar Bluff.

MO.... I recently called Baldwin , just to inform them on whom exactly they have (un)knowingly ? they have representing them, only to be met with....you guessed it!! ..YET ANOTHER LAME ATTEMPT AT SCARE TACTICS.. THREATENING A 70 - some year old man to the point of TEARS!!!!!! , ANNNND his Preacher son ,by Googling & harassing via his Church office...

I've seen this type of ending to so many reports posted here, continued updates to the complaints which clearly show that they are being harassed and barrated by the owners of the business trying desperately to get the reports removed, yet there is absolutely no attempt to compromise from the owners themselves to correct the problem, or even so much as a rebuttal from the owner defending their business practices. It's obvious that the owner's have read the reports and that the author's are directly munipulated by the owner's in one way or another to retract their complaints.
This particular author was extremely persistant,very upset and gave far too many detailed entries for me to believe them to have been false statements. Sorry but I don't buy it and anyone with common sense won't fall for it neither.You can bully people all you like but there is no escaping a continuously deceptive persona.

There were false statemens made in the previous entries that should be overlooked and this report should be considered closed. I am the original author and wish for this incident to be over.

Now I'm finding out that this ignorant excuse for a man has stooped so low as to LOOK UP MY IN-LAWS personal info and is now harrassing THEM regarding this report & me!He has also resorted to the friend approach, but is sticking with the suing bit. According my father in law, Larry now says: Bud Shell wants me to turn this over to his lawyer,and his lawyer is itching to jump on this

I don't want to see her get sued so please get her to stop posting/ make her delete the report. My father-in-law also said Larry told him that Bud Shell's has employed several people do to nothing but scope out the internet and public bulletin boards, searching for complaints over their crappy vehicles.

Too bad he didn't realize that admitting this only proves how corrupt they truly are. Too bad the only thing Larry accomplished by calling my in-laws is securing two more people that will never buy from Bud Shell's, and two more people with proof of harassment. (I think someone needs to take the reverse psychology classes again)

Since it hasn't sunk in by now,will it help if I spell it out for you?? #1.Until ready to settle,no one from Bud Shell's is to contact me; and You in particular are NOT to ever contact me nor anyone else in my family, in any way shape or form, EVER again! #2.The more you harass us, the longer this report is going to get! #3.

The more problems we have with the junker you guys sold us, the longer this report is going to get!#4.This report is NOT going anywhere, before I even remotely consider changing anything at all, every cent that this junker has costs us is going to be given back by Bud Shell's, with one HELL of an apology!

And #5.The only way you're going to shut me up is to hire a hit man and before you get anymore bright ideas, let me remind you that here it is, plastered all over the internet for the whole world to see - so if anything ever happens to me or my family YOU are the one in the spotlight! As for you "James", who the hell do you think you are??

You know nothing about me, and nothing I've said is bullshit. You've already been told off pretty well so all I'll say to you is Shut Up about my son!! It should be pretty clear to anyone who has read this report what your true identity is - I suggest you find another hobby before you end up in jail!

Hi Mike in WY

Seems you are easy to confuse. You should read the entire thread. Its been going on for over a year. There were several posts from a James in NY who was attempting to address the original post. Most others, including yourself went on a different tangent. I do not know a James other than what I have read above. I still stand by my post as to the solution to the problem. It is clear you are without a clue as to what is going on. The people got the shaft by a car dealer, and they were trying to fight back and let it be known to the people who "read" the rip-off report.

For some reason or no reason at all you want to call people names and in general make a a*s of yourself when you have no idea of a solution. What action do you think the people who got the shaft should take, I am sure you will be more than able to shead a new light on the problem as presented by the original post. So now it is up to you to add something of value to this. Or are you just going to carry on with insane ideas like some of the others have done. People like you are a part of the problem, not a part of the solution. As for me I will most likely not be making any more posts on the subject of Bud Shell Ford, I have offered my advice on the subject and I will not lower myself to your level.

An informed consumer is a wise consumer.

...and Mike you are not.

You did manage to confuse me with your posts,Do you even know which one you are? James from New York, or Allen from Florida? It is really sad when you have to invent another entity just so you will have "someone" agreeing with you, not my definition of "sanity" by a long shot! Looks like Peggy hit the nail on the head when she suspected you, And you want to talk about other people dicrediting themselves! Something tells me we wont being seeing "James" or "Allen" posting again,so in the future at least have the sense to not use your multiple personalities,who live on opposite sides of the united states even, in the very same reply..geesh!

I think everone agrees that the loss of a child is a terrible thing.

The facts of the matter are: 1. They purchased a vehicle. 2. The vehicle required massive repairs. 3. Was the vehicle purchased "AS-IS". 4. Or was the vehicle purchased with a "WRITTEN WARRANTY".

One thing people are going to have to realize, at some point in time, take responsibility for their own actions. If you buy a vehicle or anything else for that matter YOU, the person that is doing the purchasing, must get anything as important as a warranty in WRITTING. Trust no one, anything the car sales person (I must be politically correct) puts out verbally does not exist. The dealer said it was a "good" car and if you have any problems to let them know, you will notice the dealer did not say they would take any action to fix the "problem". Just to let them know........

The old addage "Buyer Beware" is still alive and well. No one likes to be ripped off or see someone else get ripped off. This is not a perfect world.


The dealer has already received their $$$ from the bank, now the buyer has to deal with the bank. If they dont meet their obligation to the bank the bank will re-po the car, sell it at auction (for almost nothing) and the buyer will still owe the bank the difference. I assume they had good credit in order to get the $10K loan, but if this happens they no longer will.

This problem has been on going for over a year now, if they have not taken legal action (check small claims court in MO) as yet now is the time to do so, and I wish them good luck.

James-NY is still one of the few sane ones.

Now for all the people who want to continue to write about the symphanty and respect side of this please continue. I would not want to confuse anyone with facts.

An informed consumer is a wise consumer.

Everyones views will differ on the little boys funeral.I think they have made a good point because it shows how the purchase of this car has negatively effected them in every aspect.Still,the bottom line here is that these people were royally screwed and the dealer doesnt give a d**n.

Other than your poor spelling and failed attempt to discredit the author, the only thing you have demonstrated is your fascination with the copy and paste options. I can do that as well.

You say "Frankly, I don't give a rats a*s what this dealer does or does not do.", then go on to say "stay out of the discussion".

Well, James, the point of this website is for consumers to interact with each other about their experiences. This is a place for those who "give a rat's a*s". You strike me as one of the poster's who simply come here to start arguments for lack of anything better to do. I'm sure if I were to look up your past post's, not one would be one hundred percent supportive of the author's views.

First you accuse this author of including parts of her story for sympathy, now you're accussing me of being paranoid and over emotional for pointing out your disrespect. I've not missed or ignored anything, including your avoidance of whether or not you are an informant.

I also don't see where you have discussed anything about the monetary damages or how to resolve the issue. Just a continuous ranting of the child. If you feel the child's death is so irrelevant, then stop making it your primary discussion. Perhaps you should consider practicing what you preach, and take good hard look in the mirror before judging others.

Sounds like James-NY is one of the few sane ones arround.

One thing I would like to add. If you do add a lemon to the side of the vehicle and add any wording to it make sure whatever you say is 100 percent truthful and correct, this goes for anything else you say or write, otherwise you open yourself up to a lawsuit.

One thing I was wondering. Under Federal Law a sticker must appear on the vehicles window Marked Warranty-- YES or NO. How was this one marked?? I think you have to sign indicating you received this sticker information. If this vehicle was marked NO you have less leverage with the dealer. If it was marked YES the terms of the warranty should have been spelled out in writting (that is the key word).

An informed consumer is a wise consumer.

Sounds like James-NY is one of the few sane ones arround.

One thing I would like to add. If you do add a lemon to the side of the vehicle and add any wording to it make sure whatever you say is 100 percent truthful and correct, this goes for anything else you say or write, otherwise you open yourself up to a lawsuit.

One thing I was wondering. Under Federal Law a sticker must appear on the vehicles window Marked Warranty-- YES or NO. How was this one marked?? I think you have to sign indicating you received this sticker information. If this vehicle was marked NO you have less leverage with the dealer. If it was marked YES the terms of the warranty should have been spelled out in writting (that is the key word).

An informed consumer is a wise consumer.

Sounds like James-NY is one of the few sane ones arround.

One thing I would like to add. If you do add a lemon to the side of the vehicle and add any wording to it make sure whatever you say is 100 percent truthful and correct, this goes for anything else you say or write, otherwise you open yourself up to a lawsuit.

One thing I was wondering. Under Federal Law a sticker must appear on the vehicles window Marked Warranty-- YES or NO. How was this one marked?? I think you have to sign indicating you received this sticker information. If this vehicle was marked NO you have less leverage with the dealer. If it was marked YES the terms of the warranty should have been spelled out in writting (that is the key word).

An informed consumer is a wise consumer.

You state:

"It is also obvious by the threats and harassing phone calls from the dealership, that they have informats (sic) keeping a close eye on this report. I would dare to say that you, James, are one of those informats (sic)."

And I would certainly say that your paranoid side has taken control. Frankly, I don't give a rats a*s what this dealer does or does not do. Were I in the buyer's shoes, I'd have given this to my attorney long ago and have it settled by now. Not to mention having a LARGE sign affixed to the car itself stating it was a lemon and where it was purchased.

But back to my point that you either missed or chose to ignore. How many times have you seen a post here that says "the ABC company took our money, and we live on welfare" or "my mom (who is 104) lost her money to the XYZ psychic hotline". Hell, one poster here started a thread calining that the "Dollar Store killed my husband"! And while some of the statements are probably true, they are also bullshit aimed at getting your attention and sympathy. Clearly it worked in your case - not that it was much of a challenge there! What we are discussing here (or at least I am, you seem to prefer the soap opera version) is the monetary damages, because that's the real issue. And in fact, it's the ONLY issue.

Look, you and I can certainly agree that it's a terrible thing to lose a child, and it only compounded her anguish. Agreed. But beyond that, it is totally irrelevant, period. If you don't understand that basic point, stay out of the discussion. Your emotions have you clearly over your head and looking for "informats" instead of focusing on how to resolve the issue of damages.

Although the author does state that the ten thousand dollars was already spent on the vehicle, she also states that the money is *wasted*.

As someone has previously said, the dealership should have at least had the common courtesy to have unwound the deal. The dealership told them to come back if any problems arose.

Problems arose automatically, and all the dealership did was say too bad and slam the door in their faces.

If they had returned the money, then the ten thousand dollars would have once again belonged to the author.

Actually if you want to be this techinal, it is the bank's money, because as you also point out, the author had to take out the ten thousand dollars as a bank loan.

That means that the author is paying on the bank loan in installments with money that she has now...money that should be going towards her child's funeral.

She also states that besides the ten thousand dollar bank loan, they have been out of additional money due to constant, meaningless repairs on the vehicle.

Speaking as a past lemon vehicle owner, I can tell you that you may as well add at least another five thousand dollars for the parts, labor, useless insurance, taxes, tags, bank interest, reimbursements that she's having to pay other people for acting as their chauffeurs throughout this whole ordeal,etc.

It is obvious to anyone who has read this report that the dealership is doing everything possible to scare the author into not letting her experience be known.

It is also obvious by the threats and harassing phone calls from the dealership, that they have informats keeping a close eye on this report. I would dare to say that you, James, are one of those informats.

Why else would you focus on and discredit those few lines referring to the bank loan and the author's deceased child?

Nobody else would attempt to dissect the author's post's in the manner you have, and use her own words against her.

If there were any false accusations made in the report, why hasn't the dealership filed a rebuttal defending themselves by now?

I know if these things were falsely being said about my company I would correct it as soon as I could. Not one time has this dealership stepped in with a rebuttal, instead they call the author's home and threatened her. That speaks for itself.

If you truely want it to stop, it is high time to do the right thing and give these people their money back.

The original poster states:

"Let me first say that I did not include the loss of my son for mere sympathy points.."

She also states:

"If these gutter rat creeps hadnt stolen our money, his funeral would be paid for."

No, that's not true. By your own admission, in your original post you clearly say that:

"They were paid in cash because we had to take out an $10,000.00 loan for this thing!"

So, let's be clear here. The $10K was already spent BEFORE any problems were known about the car. It was spent to PURCHASE the car, therefore even if this had been the PERFECT car, the $10K was already gone. Period.

So, yes I do think that this is strictly for the sympathy points....

"Well let me tell you, I have a few other things I could spend that wasted $10,000.00 loan on -like my sons' funeral!!!"

....because, again, the money was ALREADY SPENT by then. Without the problems, the $10K would have not been an issue. I'm sorry that you've had the luck you had with the car. However, clearly the funeral comments have no place in the discussion, and frankly are a red herring in my opinion. They have no connection with each other as demonstrated by simply following the money along the timeline.

Stick to the point, deal with the facts, and leave the rest out. It weakens your case, in my opinion.

The times you have 72-hours to rescind a sale is where there is a door-to-door salesman or telephone salesman. You sign or agree to a contract. You have 72-hours to rescind the deal. BUT. If you go to a place of business the 72-hour rule does NOT apply.

If you go to a car dealer, take a car for 3 days, go back and ask for your money back they will laugh at you. The 72-hour rule is very limited in what sales can be rescinded. I bet in AZ you cannot take a car out for 3 days and then go back and get your money back.

Jamie,

Frankly, I'm surprised that Stick did not mention it, but here's why the local TV stations, radio stations and newspapers won't run negative stories on car dealers (and you've probably already figured it out):

Car dealers are the SINGLE LARGEST ADVERTISERS with the media. They will not kill their revenue stream just to broadcast or print the truth about the bad habits of car dealers.

And about the 72-hour right to rescind, or "buyer's remorse period", I think that applies to any purchase where a contract is signed, whether it be for a car, a house, or contracted services. I don't know for sure if that is a state or federal thing, but I know it applies here in AZ.

I also suggest you purchase the RipOff Revenge guide. It contains some very useful information on how to get revenge, and your money back. It worked for me.

Good luck!

I am soooo glad I stumbled upon this site, I too, am from the bootheel of MO and I was looking at Bud Shell because I was interested in purchasing a car from them, not now after reading what happened to you. Thank you for your story and thanks to whoever thought of this web site. Good looking out.

Relieved in the Bootheel...

Here are just a few samples of the vehicle's displayed at one of the Bud Shell dealerships, but what's this, no writing whatsoever on any of the vehicle's windshields?? Hmmm... they constantly boast of "serving the area for over 55 or 60 years"(depending on which ad you see), dont you think in that time they would catch on to the fact that MSRP's are suppose to be on the windshields.....guess not





And look at this..the gentleman himself, Larry Ellison, has finally decided to show his face!...sort of. Of course he is being ever so generous and polite (as usual!), and donating a $300 "check" to a needy cause. Nevermind that the "check" is being held at an angle that it looks like a regular sheet of paper, and just happens to be facing away from the camera. Doesnt that make you want to rush out and become a customer of Bud Shell's or what? (This photo is courtesy of the Dexter Daily Statesmen.)



And speaking of the Statesmen, remember how I wrote to this very newspaper regarding a prior article about Bud Shell's which made them seem soooo pleasant and honest, but the editor was obviously uninterested in my experience, favoring Bud Shell's even though I recited our whole ordeal to him? Well I have a newer article which clearly explains why (again courtesy of the statesmen, this is the entire excerpt of the article which concerns Bud Shell's, exactly as it appeared in the paper!) You can the whole article at http://www.dailystatesman.com/story/1078270.html



"Advertising Manager Elaine Pursell brought home first place for her advertising campaign with Bud Shell Ford called "The Countdown." The campaign featured cryptic ads with only a few words, keeping readers guessing before building up to a final pitch.

The campaign was part of a joint effort between Pursell and the staff at Bud Shell. "It was the best advertising campaign we've ever done," said Larry Ellison with Bud Shell Ford. "We received more response from those ads than from any others."

Bud Shell has been a longtime advertiser with The Daily Statesman. "We're pleased to have Bud Shell as one of our biggest advertisers and we're very happy to work with them," said Pursell."



And just to keep everyone up to speed (haha) on my wonderful vehicle, it has gone through two brand new brain boxes in the past 9 days, and STILL WON'T SO MUCH AS START!!



Mad As Hell

Although the 72 hour rule may not be applicable in this case where the poster lives there are still other reasons why the dealership may be liable. If the vehicle is a certified used car lets say by GM then there are certain short term warranties that come with that title. If is not certified then most dealerships still do some kind maintenance check before putting the vehicle on the lot. Many dealerships brag of 50 point checks 100 point checks and so on. Now if you look closely of course they are checking meaningless items but this still goes to show that it is hard to doubt that a dealership knows when something is severely wrong with a vehicle. These dealerships just look past it because what is one pissed off customer versus $4,000 gross? They would rather sell the crap as is than fix it first. Now I can't say this for all dealerships but a lot do operate that way. Out of the three that I worked for only one was honest and reputtable. And the other two were big name multi location dealerships so this activity does not just happen at the cash lots.



If nothing else it is obvious that this dealership is unethical and this posting will get the word out to atleast a few people. I know I will never buy a car from here if I ever live in an area where there is one.



You both know that if the dealership was ethical it would have either fixed the car or unwound the deal. Even if there is no 72 hour law the dealership can make the decision to do the right thing.

When a door-to-door salesman comes and sells you something in your home you have 72-hours to rescind the offer.



BUT, if you go into a place of business and buy something you do NOT have 72-hours to rescind the deal. You do not 'sign away' the 72-hour rule because there is none to begin with. (see last paragraph)



Most merchants will exchange or give refunds on small items (clothing for example) but on big ticket items it is very unusual to receive a refund. Many people have been bitten by this "I thought I had 72 hours to change my mind". The 72-hour rule is very restrictive and does not apply when the customer walks into a store and makes a purchase.





If the dealer told you 'you signed away' something it was probably the right to sue them. The dealers are now trying to get customers to sign a form using this insidious thing called mandatory arbitration - the arbitrators are all selected by the dealer!! No kidding. You have no choice but to live by the arbitrator's judgement. The customer can fight back by simply refusing to sign it. In the end most dealers would rather sell the car than lose a customer over this mandatory arbitration.

There is no 3 day right of recision on any contract as it relates to buying a car UNLESS 1) The company in question comes to YOUR home to sell you the product or 2) You are leasing a new vehicle. In the case of a lease you have a 24 hour time period in which you have the right to look a lease contract over before signing it. At most dealerships you simply sign the right away when you sign the lease. If you don't wish to sign away the right, the dealer must give you the contract, completely filled out, for your review.



The 72 hour thing is a common misconception. Occasionally certain states have slightly different laws regarding this, but the rule of thumb is the company must come to your home in order for this to apply.



It sounds to me like you simply got a car which wasn't maintained very well. No where in your report did it mention what kind of car you bought, what year it was, how many miles were on it, if it was sold 'as-is'. If the dealer sold you the car 'as-is' then anything which happens after the rear tires hit the pavement is your problem. If they placed some kind of warranty on the car (ie 30 day, 1000 miles on the Powertrain) then you might have something to talk to an attorney about.



I feel very sorry for your situation and for your loss, but depending on what the deal was when you bought the car, the dealer may not have any liability for your break downs. They should never treat you in anything less than a professional manner, of course, but if you bought an 'as-is' car and then began to have problems with it, they're under no obligation to repair the car for you at no cost or to refund your money.



I'd suggest you take out your paperwork and look over the purchase order from the dealer. Let us know how it is marked - if it's warrantied or not, and perhaps we can see if there is some sort of recourse for you.



To be brutally honest, I have a feeling the best avenue for helping you is now closed. Normally when you buy a car, even if it is as-is, if you approach the dealer in a kind manner and ask for help they'll at least consider trying to work with you (of course, there are those stores which will tell you to go pound sand too...). If the relationship has become as adversarial as you suggest with your posts, something tells me they're not exactly going to be willing to listen to reason at this stage.



Anyway... lets see what your deal was when you purchased the vehicle. Take a look over the purchase order and we'll see what we can come up with to help you.

I really don't think you can sign away this grace period. I can't say for sure because I don't even know if this is by state or if it is federal. I do know that here in Texas regardless of what is signed a buyer has 72 hours to bring back the vehicle. Now believe me the dealership will try anything to keep the buyer from returning and yes that does mean lying. As a former car salesman and can tell you that it is the worst feeling to make a commission and have the vehicle brought back the salesman mentally has that money spent already and it did happen to me twice. But after everything it is the consumers right to do so and I'm am glad that is in place.



I urge you to go online to carfax.com and enter in the entire vin number from your vehicle. This will cost you a few bucks but if your lucky the car has a history and that means it wasn't disclosed to you by the dealership which means the dealership is liable. Also check the title to make sure it's a normal title not a salvage or something like that because once again the dealership should have disclosed this info to you.



As far as you signing something that disposed of your warranty you should have a copy of everything you signed so if you don't have something like this then you are right they are lying and they won't be able to produce this document when you are settling with them or in court.



Good luck with everything and I hope you post any new events that occur especially if you eventually get your money back!

You have made excellent points and I applaud you for probably being the only honest car salesmen in the world. Believe me, a lawsuit is underway.

This was a used car,and as you guessed from a multi-location dealer. I've already learned that the lemon law doesn't cover used vehicles, but I cant find anything saying a dealership is off the hook as soon as you sputter away in a junk car. I also believe that the 72 hour grace period applies to all states, I can't find anything saying otherwise; but this dealership claims we signed a paper refusing any type of warranty - though we do not remember this document, and they refuse to supply us with a copy... so my question to you is, it is true that you can sign away your right of the 72 hour grace period, or is this yet another lie of theirs?

It has been a few days since I have read your postings and I don't remember the specifics but if this was a new caz the lemon laws apply to it. If it was a preowned vehicle and their were previous accidents or if was recalled as a lemon the dealership by law has to disclose this information to the buyer. I highley recommend you find out what was on carfax because if it had been wrecked and you weren't informed you have a very strong case. Also, most dealerships have a 30 day in house warranty on used vehicles or something equivalent. You need to read through your paper work very carefully and find out if this sort of warranty applies. If so again you have a very strong case for reclaiming you spent money.



For future reference I believe it is 72 hours that a buyer has to return a vehicle and have the deal unwound. Dealerships usually don't disclose this info though. A deal is also never complete until the vehicle drives off the lot so if you ever leave a deposit and change your mind or even sign all of the paper work but don't take the vehicle and change your mind it is your right to do so.



Off the subject as a former car salesman I do recommend that you always buy new especially now with all of the factory rebates and 0%interest and such. You will only pay around 2k more for anew vehicle over a 2 or 3 year old. New vehicle carry lower interest also so your payments end up being the same. If you insist on buying a used vehicle ask the dealership to allow you to take it home and take it to a well known mechanic and have it completely looked over. This will cost you around $50 but this is well worth not having to deal with the headaches you are dealing with now.



I primarily sold preowned and I can attest that dealerships will cut as many corners as possible. I'm not talking ma and pop shops either I'm talking multi location dealerships. It's always about the bottom line and because of this you always have to be very careful about what you are buying. Do your homework. DON'T EVER TAKE A CAR SALESMAN AT HIS WORD. Their focus is two things. 1. Sell a car 2. Sell a car for as much as possible. A customers interests are only accounted for when it will help sell a car otherwise they are disregarded.

I thank you for agreeing with me as far as the dealership is concerned; but the statements about my son are simply facts. The dealership staff knew of what happened with my son, but that didnt stop them from taking full advantage of us.Not that I think they should take advantage of anyone at all, but doing it under such circumstances goes to show you exactly what kind of people they are. To hear Larry tell it, this is the reason that they didnt "sue" me the second time he called my husband (not me) with his generic scare tactics...Im guessing the same day that he discovered this report. How very convenient. I guess I should thank you for bringing more attention to that also.

I have to reiterate that I am very sorry for your loss but to include your son in this conflict, I feel is a low blow. It almost has the feel of not being able to hit someone with glasses.



... Does it make you feel big to threaten someone behind their back, a woman who has just lost her baby no less...



This is copied and pasted directly from one of your postings.



Let me also say that I think you are correct in your argument against the car dealer.

Let me first say that I did not include the loss of my son for mere sympathy points...my exact words were: "Well let me tell you, I have a few other things I could spend that wasted $10,000.00 loan on - like my sons funeral!!!"

If these gutter rat creeps hadnt stolen our money, his funeral would be paid for, how does that not have anything to do with my dispute? So yeah,if I seem angry it's probably because I am.

I feel that you have every right to be angry about what you have gone through with this car dealership. What I don't agree with is bringing you deceased child into the argument. I don't think there can be anything worse than losing a child and I am very sorry for your loss but this has absolutely nothing to do with you dispute with the dealership. Yes this does bring sympathy points your way but it does not strengthen your argument it just makes you look angry.

Sorry for the delay in responding but I've been busy lately (hehe), hiding in fear from the invisible lawyers and all, ya know...LMAO

You have made Very good points! I have my trusty little inconspicuous digital camera charging up as I type this! I sincerely thank you, as well as The Great Thorn, for compiling the list of Ford company contacts. After I make a few more calls, and get these pictures posted, I hope Mr. Thorn will be willing to poke a few more heavily wallet clad a*s'!



Oh, but when will I take these dreaded photos? Have I taken some already? Who else have I contacted regarding this scam? How many people that walk your lots are actually there to become your future victims? Those are all questions that you will just have to wonder about (for the time being), LARRY!!!

Hey Mad as Hell in Mo. I hope my posting here will help you.



You should look at these Rip Off Reports. They all have good pictures on them. Pictures make your Rip-off Report so much better. Look at them all. The last Rip-off Report here is a very good one on Bill Heard Chevy in Scottsdale, go check it out. Look at all of these. They will help you expose your car dealer.



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http://www.badbusinessbureau.com/reports/ripoff17727.htm

This one has a great Pic of Picket POWER! After looking at this Rip Off Report you might want to order the Editor's Book about how to deal with these auto dealers! ..his consept works!

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This one has a good pic of the dealer

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This next Rip Off Report has 14 pictures on it. Trust me car dealers hate Rip Off Reports with pictures on them. Go to the dealer and take as many pic's as you can, try to get a pic of the sales people standing out side. Post them all on to your Rip Off Report



Now go to this next Rip Off Report and look at all 14 pic's

http://www.badbusinessbureau.com/reports/ripoff38266.htm



By the way. Ever notice that when you go to a Ford Motor Company web site that you can't find any email addresses to contact Ford as to how you were treated? Well I believe that all car manufactures do NOT want to hear from you if you have a complaint about a car dealer. Think about it for a second, Should a car buyer have direct contacts at the car makers? I think so!



The Problem is that car dealers think they can do what ever they want and get away with it. Go Look at this below Rip Off Report. Look at the picture if this lady's Credit application she told me that the changes were made behind her back. I Feel BANKING FRAUD is what this should be called, Do you ?



Look at the second pic on this Rip Off Report



http://www.badbusinessbureau.com/reports/ripoff52158.htm



This big email list below is a list that was posted by a fellow advocate who calls himself "The Great Thorn" Trust me he hates car dealers in a big way. If you are a bad car dealer you better hope he does not post anything on a Rip Off Report about you!



Brenda Hines

bhines1@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Manufacturing

1-313-322-1185



Tom Hoyt

thoyt@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Centennial Operations

1-313-323-8143



Ron Iori

riori@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Global Operations

1-313-337-2456



Daniel Jarvis

djarvis1@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Ford Financial

1-313-594-2527



Paige Johnson

pjohns29@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Customer Satisfaction & Technologies

1-313-248-6820



Kristen Kinley

kkinley@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Environment & Safety Communications

1-313-845-2709



Joe Koenig

jkoenig@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Powertrain

1-313-845-9148



Susan Krusel

skrusel@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford

Department: Ford Division

1-313-594-4175



Meera Kumar

mkumar10@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford

Department: New York Regional Office

1-212-265-2793



Ed Lewis

elewis5@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Manufacturing

1-313-323-7809



Sonia Mishra

smishra1@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company, Lincoln

Department: Global Product Development & Technologies

1-313-621-6089



Octavio Navarro

onavarr1@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company, Ford, Lincoln, Mercury

Department: Los Angeles Regional Office

1-949-629-2033



Todd Nissen

tnissen@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Manufacturing

1-313-337-2786



Bob Roach

rroach1@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company, Ford, Lincoln, Mercury

Department: Product Development and Global Design

1-313-390-9553



Harold Allen

hallen1@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford

Department: Dallas Regional Office

1-214-528-7120



Angela Coletti

acoletti@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Global News Bureau

1-313-390-1759



John Delle Monache

jdellemo@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Broadcast News

1-313-594-0520



Anne Marie Gattari

agattari@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Global News Bureau

1-313-322-9211



Ron Iori

riori@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Global Operations

1-313-337-2456



Susan Krusel

skrusel@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford

Department: Ford Division

1-313-594-4175



Rich Mayk

rmayk@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Broadcast News

1-313-845-0627



John Ochs

jochs@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: New Media Team

1-313-337-3669



Glenn Ray

gray2@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Broadcast News

1-313-248-2335



David Reuter

dreuter@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Global Operations

1-313-594-4410



Kristine Testori

ktestori@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Process Leadership

1-313-594-3542



Beverly Thacker

bthacke2@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company, Aston Martin, Ford, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lincoln, Mazda, Mercury, Volvo

Department: Broadcast News

1-313-317-7639



Donna Thomas

dthoma27@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Media Fleet

1-313-845-4613



James Trainor

jtrainor@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company, Lincoln, Mercury

Department: Lincoln Mercury

1-949-341-7689



Christian Vinyard

cvinyard@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Global Affiliates & Associations

1-313-594-7899



Kristie Winters

kwinter3@ford.com

Brand(s): Ford Motor Company

Department: Media Fleet

1-313-317-4453



Use these above contacts. You will not find them on any Ford Motor Corp web site! Make sure they get to read your Rip Off Report. Don't you think Ford needs to know how you were treated? I do!



Mad as Hell in Mo Get Pictures and post them on your Rip Off Report. Car dealers hate it. Hope this helps you.



Bogart!:)

Well well well... Larry had the gall to call my husband again (Not ME!!) a with the same old scare tactic, after reading the report on RipOffReport.com ( Thanks Guys!!) So tell me Larry, how come you failed to respond to my posts? Is it because you know what it states is the TRUTH??!! The same way you did with the Better Business Bureau? Only thing is you cant lie to these people, and I have corrected all of your lies you told the BBB.



Here's a crazy idea - why dont you ask for ME the next time you decide to call MY home about MY complaints?? And by the way, your coversations with my husband were recorded and I have the tape right here in my hand!I have plenty of things against you. So you go right ahead Larry, go ahead and try to sue me, I dare ya! Does it make you feel big to threaten someone behind their back, a woman who has just lost her baby no less, and all of her money thanks to you? Wow, big man indeed! You dont scare me in the least so stop with your stupid games! I'm never going to take back what I have said about your company, simply because it's the TRUTH!I tried to reason with you, but you greedy Pricks dont care about any thing but getting your slimy hands on the cash. So now maybe you have learned a lesson... THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT!

P.S. Be sure to add this with your collection ;) I have!

Many thanks Veronica! I will definately be making a form letter in the very near future. As for contacting a televison station about our experience, I have already tried this route but to no avail. In fact I've wrote several letters to the local t.v. station and havent so much recieved a responce. Most recently I wrote to the local newspaper editor regarding a story they printed which actaully promotes this dealership I found while preforming a search for Bud Shell on the internet. It reads..."The event is completely free of charge and people in attendance can register to win a new Mercury Sable, donated to the church by Bud Shell Auto Center of Kennett.

"There are no strings attached," said Robert Shell of Bud Shell Auto Center, "We are just glad to help make Kennett a better place to live."" I responded to this article with our experience in detail, so the editor could see just how caring and giving Bud Shell REALLY is, his responce was..."You're certainly entitled to your opinion of our coverage of any news item,

including Bud Shell.



For your information, however, the Mercury Sable you suggested may not have been won by anyone was won by a person in Holcomb.



The winner was published in the newspaper in Oct., 2003.



Thank you for your email. Jack" This rubbed me the wrong way, so I responded with... "Well thank you so very much for your obvious concerns about this. I don't know the person's name who "won" the the car because I do not purchase your newspaper. And as for your information; your choppy, pro - Bud Shell email has just given me ther reason to be sure to never do so in the future." He sent this email back to me with his reply section blank.



Other complaints I filed were with the FTC and State Attorney General,these may help you out as well. Also, You may want to check with Carfax.com and see how many records your jeep has. I know when I entered this thing's VIN# it returned 16 records. 16! I dont know what they consist of because you have pay for the actual records, but it will at least tell you how many there are on file.(We were told the car had never been wrecked). When we replaced some type of wire to the trasmission, it was completely mangled to the point where someone had wrapped in black tape just to hold it together - instead of replacing it themselves!We've kept it as evidence and hopefully will be able to use it soon.

I would recommend to the poster of this post to follow my lead:



Upon my last meeting with the general manager of Mullinax Ford of North Canton, I told him I would never recommend to Mullinax Ford of North Canton to anyone.



I will not quit till I have exhausted every avenue. I plan to design a form letter explaining my problem with the vehicle, then as I tell my story, I am going to have my listeners sign the form and mail it to the general manager, saying they will not patronize Mullinax Ford. This manager will not forget me. Filling out this badbusiness report was only the beginning!



And I would be going down there and taking Bud up on his offer of another vehicle! So says the BBB.



I also plan on contacting a trouble shooting local TV station, the BBB, all friends, family and business associates!



And if I can find an expert witness to give a report on the value of the vehicles damages! (A Sunroof that can not be prepared) I'm filing a law suit!



The American Consumer should not suffer loses to big companies because of deceit!

Just for everyone's information who has read my report of these scumbags... In late December 2003, I recieved a call from the Better Business Bureau regarding my first report of Bud Shell. The man at the BBB informed me that he personally called Ray Young about the hunk of junk they sold us, and Ray had the gall to tell the BBB that we were offered a replacement vehecile of our choice from any of their car lots! WHAT A JOKE!!!! This is the BIGGIST LIE that has ever been told in the history of the world!!



I let the BBB know that this was NEVER offered, the only thing I've been told was that I would be sued if I complained to them again - not exactly the same thing now is it?! I suppose next they will claim that they gave us our money back. I have been posting flyers throughout town which read 'BUD SHELL = DUD SELL!!!, do NOT buy from Bud Shell Ford!!!"... funny, but everytime I go back to a location where I had posted a flyer, someone has ripped them down! Thats ok though, I have printed over 200 hundred of them.



Im surprised to see that no one has responded here with their own experience concerning Bud Shell, but you can check with the BBB and see that there are now a total of 4 complaints against them. I am glad to see a few people out there have the guts to fight them besides me.