Report: #1035069

Complaint Review: Creative Health Institute

  • Submitted: Fri, March 15, 2013
  • Updated: Mon, March 18, 2013
  • Reported By: Jay — mono Ontario
  • Creative Health Institute
    112 W Union City Rd. Union City, Michigan
    Union City, Michigan
    United States of America

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CHI is not what it used to be. When Don H owned it and Ann Wigmore put the program together it was a top facility. Don sold it to a man named Loni Avra. Loni was killed in a plane accident shortly after the purchase. Loni had 3 sons that inherited the place. They could care less about the facility and will never spend the money to get it where it needs to be. They don't want to pay for quality people to run the facility. They are pig farmers too and have a few other local businesses. They have a parade of clowns coming in trying to run it for the Avra brothers who actually own it. This is no under statement. They've hired strippers, ex-con men- which ran it for years, people with mental issues and drug addicts. None of the "managers" /directors care about the Ann Wigmore program. The Avra brothers hire people from an area that are down on their luck. 

They have some steadfast people that come in and try to make CHI function as they have loved the facility for decades and remember what it was. They are now trying to make it a Narcon-on facility-for ex- drug abusers. Ex drug addicts are now employed and even running the facility and you can see them smoking on site. Don and Ann would have NEVER allowed this to occur while people who are trying to heal as guests.  If you've not met a drug addict before, you can stop by and see how they are and then run the opposite direction. They haven't done the program and don't care to. They are just there to earn a check-nothing more.

They have an onsite Dr. that lives in a cabin and owns a local health food store in Union City. She tells people they need protein powder-which we all know is not right, if you know the Ann Wigmore program! She herself has never done the program and even encourages people to eat meat.

Go to the the Optimum Health Institute in San Diego or Texas or  the Ann Wigmore Institute in Puerto Rico. Creative Health Institute in Michigan is a giant red flag.  They cheat guests and charge for food that they used to provide a taste of when they invited people hoping to enroll them. The living and raw food culture has died there. They haven't any informed certified instructors. No one is certified to be teaching any guest anything. They are basically "volunteers" and they can get away with not paying them and have them work like dogs. 

CHI unfortunately has gone down the drain.

SAVE YOUR MONEY-DON'T GO THERE! Tell the Avra Brothers to sell it to someone who can do it a service and run what it was intended to be a healing wheatgrass juice facility-with a 1031 tax status.

Info on CHI's last director-prior to the bi-polar Cheryl and the druggie Mel: 
The following Official Record of Robert Chrysler Morgan

He now calls himself Rawman Walking, TheRaw Spirit.  The Rawman or theraw Spirit.  Or Bobby.  But hundreds of people who wish they had never met him know him as Robert Chrysler Morgan, or Morg Morgan, infamous founder of Medina Enterprises and Cuppys Coffee.If you are going to deal with Bobby The Rawman Morgan, you would be wise to read this post and the comments that follow, and to proceed with extreme caution.  If you know Rawman Morg Morgan, please share your thoughts below.Rawman is invited to provide clarification or rebuttal.

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Rawman Walking is now hawking women-only raw food seminars at a supposed retreat called The Sanctuary at a cost of $1500 $14,000 for 3-28 day courses. 
He is also promoting a business opportunity that enables attendees to give their own seminars.  The real strategy may be to use these seminars to solicit investment in the Sanctuary Expansion as mentioned by Ben Doyle.  We dont know.

But we know that there are many reasons to be wary of this man:
1) Insurance Fraud Rawman Walking, aka Robert Chrysler Morgan, was allegedly* featured in a book on notorious conmen in America, Masters of Deception.
On page 139, the author states: insurance agent Robert Chrysler Morgan was forced to pay $134,000 and surrender his license for defrauding thousands of customers.
If you Google Robert Chrysler Morgan you can read the excerpt of Mizells book.

2) Slender Lady Franchise & Lawsuit.  Along with his friend Bruce Sharpe, Rawman Morg Morgan was an owner of the Slender Lady womens fitness chain.  His Slender Lady franchise company was successfully sued by its failing franchisees for fraud & deceptive practices. 

Almost every franchise closed; dozens of franchisees lost their savings, homes and were forced into bankruptcy. 
Sharpe fled to South America, assumedly to avoid paying his victims.

3) Java Joz Deposit Scheme.  Rawman Walking (Robert Morg Morgan), Ben Doyle and convicted felon Roy Snowden sold business opportunities for a drive-thru coffee concept called Java Joz.  They convinced dozens of trusting individuals (including the brother of A-List blogger Robert Scoble, ) to make deposits of tens of thousands of dollars which they promised to refund if the investors couldnt get financing or find a location.  When the individuals returned for their deposits, Rawman & his cronies refused to return their money.  After  Roy Snowden went to prison for fraud, Rawman bought the assets & repackaged the Java Joz scam as Cuppys Coffee. Read more about Rawman Walking Robert Morgan at Cuppys Coffee Overview.

4) Cuppys Coffee deposit scheme. Using several different corporate entities, Rawman refined andexpanded the lucrative practice of convincing individuals to give large refundable deposits (typically $30K $60K) for development of Cuppys Coffee businesses, then refusing to refund them as contractually agreed.  Rawmans companies collected hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, in deposits from individuals and provided nothing in return.  Rawman, in essence, paid for his Jaguar and beachfront condo with the savings and retirement accounts of hardworking individuals and families who got nothing in return but heartache, aggravation and legal bills. Read more about Rawman Walking Robert Morgan at Cuppys Coffee Overview.

5) Medina Enterprises/Cuppys Coffee/Elite Construction deposit scheme. Unfortunately, those who could not raise the $200K $400K to  for the full Cuppys Coffee development program were the lucky ones.  Its estimated that as much as $29 million was raised via SBA loans and other sources typically secured with individual franchisees homes and/or retirement accounts.  However, Rawmans companies collected money on these loans for work that was never done, done incorrectly or done so late franchisees had to begin repaying loans on empty lots.  Many never got open.  Others did, incurred more debt and closed.  Cuppys Coffee franchisees never received the support services they paid for.  Rawman Walking Morg Morgan walked away, selling (dumping) the embattled company and its franchisees before it collapsed completely.  Read more about Rawman Walking Robert Morgan at Cuppys Coffee Overview.

6) Rawman Lawsuits. San Gelato Cafe is suing Rawman for deceptive business practices.  Outstanding  Case Number 2008 CA 004819 S SAN GELATO CAFE FRANCHISING GROUP LLC v. ROBERT  C  MORGAN;

7) Domestic Violence Charges. In 2008, Rawman was charged with domestic battery stemming from an alleged altercation with his stepson. Cases:  Okaloosa County, FL  DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BATTERY (784.03(1a1))  2008 MM 004059 S (784.03(1A1)DV) DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BATTERY);  DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BATTERY (784.03(1a1))  2008 MM 004058 S (784.03(1A1)DV) DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BATTERY

8 ) Rawman is Married. Rawman has been married for years to Peggy Morgan, the woman who took care of him when he had cancer.  Yet,  according to his website, Bobby, spends most of the year at the Sanctuary in Florida mentoring women who need a loving, gentle nonjudgmental approach to weigh loss He professes:I have exchanged an endless potpourri of sexual encounters, for wholesome beautiful friendships with women where true affection abounds I have vowed to my creator and too myself that I will remain in this state [celibacy] until I can love with a pure heart, to come to my loves arms as an equal not a conqueror

(EXCEPT sometime in 2011 while engaged to be married to one of his interns, he discovered he was a polygamist with another guest-whom he took off with. Only to return to Florida with this woman who has a product line that sustains them and attempt to continue to exploit vulnerable women)

While he is engaging in beautiful, loving friendships with women, and awaiting the arms of his true love, he is still legally married to wife Peggy. (is he really divorced?-it's possible)

9) Multiple Aliases. On his 2 websites and active Twitter accounts, Robert Chrysler Morgan makes almost no reference to his real name or recent nickname Morg. 

He is now Bobby, Rawman, or Rawman Walking , "theraw spirit"

His new age Rawman persona seems to be carefully crafted to be friendly, sensitive, open and, especially, non-threatening to needy, health-conscious women.

10) No Men or Children Allowed. Rawman states: The Sanctuary is a womens only retreat no men or children are allowed to stay in guest rooms or attend classes or events. Please do not ask as we do not make exceptions  Why is that?  Seems ironic that his only supposed success story is buddy Ben Doyle (aka @RawmanLivin).  Says Rawman: Just finished helping a 67 year old rejuvinate his life lost 37lbs 34 days got a new girlfriend lol.

11)  Ben Doyle. While Rawman is charming and well-liked even by some hes wronged, his partner Ben Doyle is not.  Fiercely negative comments regarding Ben Doyle have appeared on this website and others from those who claim to be have been his co-workers, employees and scam victims.  When these two work together, bad things seem to follow.

12)  The Sanctuary & Investment Schemes. Rawman claims he operates a raw food retreat called The Sanctuary on Floridas Perdido Key.  But there is no reference to such a place anywhere except his websites, and the phone number appears to be registered to a cell phone.  It seems more likely that they are simply renting condos or rooms as needed.  If so, why would they be seeking investors for the Sanctuary Expansion as was tweeted by Ben and Rawman Walking?
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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Creative Health Institute reopens July 2016

AUTHOR: Creative Health Institute - (USA)


The Creative Health Institute has been closed for a few years now. The report listed above from what we know was sent in from a few disgruntled ex-employees. 

There was a short time it re-opened as the Vibrant Health Institute,  that company have moved on, looking for a new location. 

For any questions about the instiute or our program should be addressed by phone at 517-278-6260.

If you are the person that has written this report I would appreciate it if you would call our facility and reconsider this review. 

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#2 Consumer Comment

I had an excellent experience at CHI

AUTHOR: organica - ()

I had an all-positive experience at CHI. I came back healthier, I met interesting, lovely people. I found CHI to be affordable, earnest, healing, social, comfortable, and pretty.

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#3 Consumer Comment

CHI Does Great Work

AUTHOR: Sparky55 - ()

The author of the original report clearly has an axe to grind and sounds to me like a person that was recently dismissed from CHI (sour grapes).  In any event, it is so sad that this individual has decided to defame an organization that does so much good for so many people.  I challenge the original author to stand tall and identify you have the courage?  Personally, I have stayed at CHI many times.  They have wonderful people there that dedicate their time and have a lot of passion to help people deal with their personal health challenges.  CHI has no ulterior motive, none at all.  They exist solely to help people through a process of detox and rejuvenation backed by a solid approach of information and education.  Please don't allow the rants and ravings of a single individual tarnish this wonderful place.  I am very active in CHI and have donated signifcantly to help CHI succeed in its mission.  My name is Mark Kenczyk.  Original RipOff Report author, are you willing you share your name or do you prefer to hide in the shadows of anonymity?

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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

CHI Statement Regarding Complaint Review and Purported CHI Scam

AUTHOR: Melanie Roenigk - ()

CHI offer the following statement on behalf of the Avra Family, CHI Employees, Associates and Guests:

We are disturbed and saddened by the post of information which purports many facts.  We stand firmly by our mission statement which is "Our commitment is to inspire every participant in our program to live a transformed life of superb health and well-being and to enroll others in sharing our vision" 

From the time Mr. Lonnie Avra healed himself at Creative Health Institute and subsequently purchased the business, his entire endeavor was to fulfill the mission statement.  Tragically, Mr. Avra was taken from us in an accident, and he could not see his wish fulfilled.  However, the Avra family, specifically Shawn and Mary Avra, have nutured the business through the loss of their beloved and well-respected father.

New management is in place at CHI.  Together with the Avra family, the new Executive Director and her team of dedicated, passionate employees will fulfill Mr. Lonnie Avra's vision and mission.  An announcement regarding the new Executive Director had not been made public as yet, but will come.  Mrs. Melanie H Roenigk brings an established career from senior housing. 

Mr. Avra appointed her to her position based on her passion for serving seniors in the not for profit senior housing industry for the past twenty years.  Mrs. Roenigk holds a Master of Health Services Administration from The Ohio University(suma c*m laude), and a Bachelor's Degree from Kalamazoo College.  She is a licensed nursing home administrator, well-known in the state of Michigan for her advocacy work on behalf of seniors from every walk of life.  She has chosen a new career path in the field of naturopathic medicine.

The defamation of character in writing is liable and it will be handled according to the statue in the state of Michigan.
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