• Report: #78295
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Cydcor - SAS Marketing Group

  • Submitted: Tue, January 27, 2004
  • Updated: Thu, March 11, 2004

  • Reported By:Hayward California
Cydcor - SAS Marketing Group
5801 Christie Avenue, Ste. 230 Emeryville, California U.S.A.

SAS Marketing Group - Cydcor ripoff Know what you are getting into. Beware, do your research, I'm sure glad I did. The Cydcor/SAS spiel closely resembles pyramid scheme type companies such as Amway. Emeryville California

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Milton Marketing DOES share their office with SAS - Just like other Cydcor offices

*Consumer Comment: Interesting... almost falling for their promises of managment

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I came across an ad on the sf gate website regarding entry-level marketing positions for recent grads. As we all know, times have been very tough and even interviews are hard to come by. I decided to respond and was invited to an interview by the receptionist. This should have caused a red flag to go up in my mind immediately. It did not however, but I was nevertheless skeptical.

I was lucky because I did some previous research on a similar company affiliated with Cydcor. I came across this rip-off report page and am now filing one of my own. I am doing this after my second interview because up until now, I did not know that SAS Marketing Group is a subsidiary of Cydcor.

At the first interview, after being kept waiting for 20 minutes or so, I met with Jason (Jay) for a whole ten minutes. Anyone that has any experience with professional interviews knows this is ridiculous. If a prospective employer spends ten minutes interviewing you, chances are very good that you won't be called in for a second interview. We did not even discuss my resume and I'm pretty sure he didn't even care.

He pretty much just gave me a shpeal and was ready to dismiss me for the time being. I interjected and asked him if I could ask some questions as is customary in the interviewer/interviewee situation. I asked him, "Why was it so easy for me to get an interview?" He basically told me that he likes to meet with people one on one because resumes dont really mean that much. "I can't tell anything by looking at a piece of paper. It just tells me that you worked somewhere and did some thing." He then tried to make me apprehensive by saying that if he was just strictly looking at my resume, he would not have called me in.

The rest of my experience mirrors the other complaints regarding Cydcor. The second interview consisted of another 20 minute wait and my shadowing an "account manager" going door-to-door, attempting to get businesses to switch from SBC to AT&T. However, this was only for a couple of hours, rather than a full day. Remarkably, the lady I was with succeeded in switching one line and making $44, if indeed this is the real figure.

Before going out into the field, I was told to fill out some forms including a W-4. I asked why, and the receptionist told me that since I was going into the field, the papers ensured that I would be covered if anything should happen. Basically, I was expected to make a commitment upon returning to the office. I'm not sure what kind of commitment because I did not stick around long enough to find out. Upon returning,I was given a little "quiz" about my day that anyone with a set of ears and some sort of attention span could figure out. After that, it looked as if thre was going to be more waiting. By that time my BS detector was going haywire and I excused myself to go to the bathroom. I never went back, but instead raced home to do more research and file this report.

The Cydcor/SAS shpeal closely resembles pyramid scheme type companies such as Amway. Basically, to get ahead, you have to recruit others in order to collect commission from them. In any case, the pyramid/direct marketing model works very well for some, but for most folks, it's considered a SCAM. I admire the entrepreneurial spirit, but people should definitely know what they're getting into. This is not at all what I had in mind when I called SAS.

The last part of my little rant consists of an observation of how SAS is able to fly below radar. SAS is actually a telecom term meaning "single attachment source." I worked as a legal researcher while in college and got quite good at conducting effective internet research. I tried to look them up before my first interview, but my search engines were overloaded with technical jargon that my key words generated.

My advice to others is to keep your eyes and ears open because opportunities that seem too good to be true often are. If you're considering interviewing with SAS, BE CAREFUL! To me, this was a huge waste of time. I went to college to get a real job, not to sell door-to-door like a girlscout.

Hayward, California

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#1 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Milton Marketing DOES share their office with SAS - Just like other Cydcor offices

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

Yes Milton Marketing shares their office with SAS. In fact, they moved in because their old office was too expensive. It makes you wonder, if the managers are all making the money they are claiming to, why do so many of them share offices? I can tell you that the managers ARE NOT making that money. I was one of them. I worked for Cydcor and can happily say my eyes were opened before it got too bad. The problem is that Cydcor trains others to confuse people into thinking that the ONLY way to become a success is to go through them.

***DON'T BE FOOLED-The managers ARE paid in a PYRAMID system.***
They get paid an amount for every line that is brought in and then pay the employee after they take their cut. If the office does 50 lines, they get paid $2300 and then pay out $1650 to the employees. The rest ($650) goes to office rent, phones, recruiting ads, administration fees, etc. The problem is that most offices aren't doing that well, and the ones that are claiming to have very high rejects.

During my 2 year employment, I learned a lot of things- both good & a lot very BAD. If someone does decide to work with ANY Cydcor office understand that the promises are empty. It doesn't matter how hard you work, because in the end it's a crap shoot.

There are other positions out there with other companies that provide heathcare, 401K, salary + comm. (even six figures), and a positive environment. The sad thing is that there are a few people still at Milton Marketing (that have been in the field for more than year & even moved across the country to follow the owner out there)that I used to consider friends, but because it's looked down on to continue relationships with ex-employees I haven't talked to them. They have been promised over and over that Russ (the owner) will get them into management. Meanwhile he's hoping they don't leave because he can't sell on his own and can only make money if THEY do. If you are considering employment with ANY Cydcor office (and they really are all a like) know that you are better off somewhere else. I have lost thousands of dollars working for Milton & Cydcor a like. Chalk it up to the school of hard knocks.
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Interesting... almost falling for their promises of managment

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

I almost took a job with these guys, but I ended up declining it because another job opportunity popped up at the last second. I hadn't seen this site yet or learned of Cydcor's rep, but now I'm glad I declined it since I was almost falling for their promises of managment and so forth...I've noticed that every story I have heard on every Cydcor/DS Max office on this site is identical to my field interview with SAS, however I don't think their owner and managers were as bad as everyone has described other managers. At least they were honest about the long hours and strictly commision pay.

One think I haven't seen pointed out yet though...if these companies are as great a place to work as the owners claim, why are they ALWAYS on job sites such as craigslist and monster (as is SAS)? The number of employees going through there must be staggering.

I'm curious if Milton Marketing shares their office since the location listed in another post is the same as SAS...?
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