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Complaint Review: Dan Miller - Lead Net pro - Woodbury Minnesota

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  • Dan Miller - Lead Net pro 1944 Catalina Dr. Woodbury, Minnesota United States of America

Dan Miller - Lead Net pro WON'T RETURN E-MAILS OR PHONE CALLS - WON'T ISSUE REFUND - I WAS LIED TO ABOUT SOFTWARE CAPABILITIES - TOTAL RIP OFF !!! Woodbury, Minnesota

*Author of original report: Two Kinds of People... Honest and Dishonest!

*UPDATE Employee: Two Types of people in the world

*Author of original report: My Report is Accurate and I Stand By What I Said.

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Lead Net Pro INCREDIBLE!

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I responded to an employment ad in Craigslist that was placed by Don Gillette regarding an opportunity to work as a lead broker. The ad was deceptive in that it was not a job but after a lengthy presentation it was revealed that it was a business opportunity. The opportunity however sounded very good.

The premise was that you purchase the Lead Net Pro software for $397.00 and a $19.95 per month fee, you also need to set it up on your own domain (it requires its own so you need to purchase a domain name and web hosting) and they strongly recommend a merchant account through First Data which requires a minimum six month contract. To cancel this contract now will cost me $150.00 in addition to everything else I have been charged. After all of this is done Don emphatically stated many times and in several ways that you could use this software to extract leads for any industry, and sell them to service providers such as Mortgage Brokers, Debt Settlement companies, Insurance Agents, Roofing Companies, and anyone who needs fresh sales leads.Of course there is no way to test the software ahead of time because you need a personal copy set up on your private domain.

The problem is that once I purchased the software and got everything set up it became obvious that it was not capable of producing such lists at all. Let me explain what Lead Net Pro (LNP) actually is. LNP is first an extractor, second an e-mail broadcaster, and third a phone broadcast system (autodialer). It combs the Internet extracting e-mail addresses and phone numbers from various web sites according to the keywords you put in. As extractors go, LNP returns paltry results. What made it attractive is that it was said to be able to extract customers for the services listed above which would indeed be beneficial and unusual. LNP however is NOT CAPABLE of doing this! It like other extractors can only gather the information of providers for these services who are listed on the Internet. There is no repository for potential customers, no place where people go and say I am likely to buy this product or need this service in the near future. The way lead companies get this information is through expensive advertising and capture pages. It was insinuated that somehow LNP was able to get this information.

When I confronted Don Gillette about this, he said he could go onto CraigsList and do a general extraction (extract all of the e-mails and phone numbers from all of the ads) and do a mailing offering a service or product and the people who responded could then be sold as a lead to a business. The problem is that he is simply spamming and breaking the law according to the Can Spam Act. Also you could not gather enough names that way to ever run a successful lead company. So not only is he intentionally lying about the capabilities of the software, he is teaching people how to break the law and put themselves in jeopardy.

LNP themselves admitted that the software couldnt do what their reseller said it would do, but they didnt offer any solution but rather threatened to pull their support to me if I continued to write them letters of complaint. Since that first e-mail they have not responded to any of my subsequent e-mails or phone calls.

According to the training videos the way you are to use the software is to extract the information for Network Marketers and reverse market to them through e-mail (express an interest in their business in hopes of opening a dialog and then sell them the software) the problem is that after mailing thousands of people the response was only seven people who were complaining about the fact they are getting bombarded with these types of e-mails and that they knew I was trying to sell a lead system. You can also try to autodial the phone numbers it collects, which I admit I didnt try to do because it costs money to send each one and I already know they are upset with people trying to sell them the system. Lead Net Pro is simply a rip off. Don Gillette brags about making $20,000 to $30,000 per month selling this system through his deceptive CraigsList ad to poor people looking for a job. When I confronted him he said sarcastically Yeah Im sure you make more money than I do. Like that was what is important and not the way you make that money. For me, ripping people off isnt worth my integrity, even at $30,000 per month.

When I started to point out what he was doing was illegal he quickly said he would refund his portion ($300) of my $397 a week and a half later. I am waiting to see if he does as I write this.

I had spoken to Dan Miller and worked one of his other programs before and I thought he was a very nice guy (even though I didnt make any money with his other program called IPC) so I trusted him. That was a mistake! He cannot be trusted, and his software is a blatant rip off. Period! I cannot get any response about getting a refund from him, and I am out a lot of time and money. I will now try and win my money back through a credit card dispute which is a lengthy process, always difficult, and there is no guarantee I will win.First Data has already told me they will not cancel my contract with them even though LNP lied to me. They are demanding the $150.00 to cancel.

I dont want anyone else to go through this. Keep your money in your pocket, and if you come across anything associated with Dan Miller or Don Gillette, turn and walk away!

 

 

 

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#4 Author of original report

Two Kinds of People... Honest and Dishonest!

AUTHOR: T.N.C. - (USA)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 05, 2011

Your rebuttal is useless and unsubstantial!

Seriously... all you can say in response to my detailed report is to accuse me of being a miserable person? Since you don't know me that can only be considered a libelous remark disparaging my character. Funny since I am the one trying to save other people from a con-artist and you are trying to protect that con-artist!

Again you have not responded to one of the complaints, and indeed you can't! Why? Because every one of them is true!

Search Lead Net Pro , LeadNetPro, Don Gillette, and Dan Miller and see the common thread that runs through these posts.  These guys are crooks, plain and simple. If they valued their business and were running it ethically they would not tell lies about the products capabilities, and they would make refunds.

You are obviously just as unethical as they are or your wouldn't be defending them.

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#3 UPDATE Employee

Two Types of people in the world

AUTHOR: rkr - (United States of America)

POSTED: Saturday, February 05, 2011

The bottom line is:There aretwo types of people in the world

1) Happysuccessful people who always have a glass full of lemonade

2)Miserable people with only rotten lemons and nothing to drink.

3) Successful people create

4) Poor folks buy the magic potion

Where is your mind set?

I say use your energy to pay for your system and be done with. Or use it to create success

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#2 Author of original report

My Report is Accurate and I Stand By What I Said.

AUTHOR: T.N.C. - (USA)

POSTED: Sunday, January 30, 2011

It is interesting that the people defending LNP simply sling mud at me but don't address the facts that I clearly laid out in the report.

This software is not capable of doing what Don Gillette says it can do during his presentation. Period!

The way he builds lists of leads is against the law as written in the Can-Spam Act, and he is teaching others to do the same.

If you go through the company designed website at leadnetpro.com, you will be led to believe that you can create a lead brokering business that caters to any kind of business. This simply is not true. You may be able to extract names from various web sites and forums, then spam them in order to determine an interest in a service or product, call that a lead and resell it to someone (which is what Don Gillette suggests) but that is against the law. What Dan Miller and Company want you to do is to gather MLM names and send them an e-mail that deceptively asks if someone is still involved in their MLM (his favorite example is Herbalife) and if they respond you are to engage them in a conversation about marketing. At the opportune time you tell them about LeadNetPro and sell them a copy. And then they get to start searching for the same MLM names as you and become your competition.

They call this deception "Reverse Marketing" and claim that because someone responded to you to talk about their business (since after all you pretended to be interested in it) then it can't be classified as spam. I'll leave that for the authorities to decide.

THIS IS NOT BUILDING LEADS FOR ANY TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT WILL BUILD A LEAD BROKER BUSINESS!!!

The whole thing is built upon a lie!

Just because you are making money doesn't mean you are making it ethically.

Don Gillette was (is) apparently the target of the Florida Attorney General involving a scam in the refinance and debt settlement. He was charged with deceptive and unfair trade practices. See filing here:

(((Redacted)))

Dan Miller has an F rating with the BBB in Wisconsin where he lives, and is known for some questionable business practices.

I'm sure that John (who claims to be the owner. I don't know, maybe he is Dan millers Partner) doesn't like this report. Well John, I don't like being ripped off and I really don't like people who prey on others who are trying to find a way to support their families and realize the dream of working for themselves. You are the lowest kind of scum as far as I am concerned.

I have never filed a Rip Off report before but I feel an obligation to try and help people keep their money in their pocket and not get ripped off like I did.

Don promised to return my money and never did. He is a liar and is making a ton of money through deceptive trade practices once again. I guess he just can't get away from old habits.

Dan Miller (and apparently John here) have the same type of character flaw.

Take my advice or leave it. I have nothing to gain or lose either way.

TNC

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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Lead Net Pro INCREDIBLE!

AUTHOR: John - (United States of America)

POSTED: Saturday, January 29, 2011

Before I response to this incredibly deceptive complaint, I would first like to address how ridiculous this website is as a whole. This site will allow anyone to post anything about any business without providing any solid evidence or facts to back these peoples accusations.

This is just a short list of companies that this website considers ripoffs:

1. Ford Motor Company

2. Wal-Mart

3. Apple Computers

4. Home Depot

5. Babies R Us

6. AT&T

7. Ralphs Grocery Store

8. Nike

9. Sony

10. NBC

As you can see all of these companies are very reputable and provide valuable services and products, yet there are still people who will write negative information about these companies to try and deter people form doing business with them.

My point is this, do your own research don't allow a bogus site such as this to determine your opportunities in life. LNP is and very solid business and product and it is unfortunate that people have the time to post all of these slanders about this company and opportunity. I bet if you focused your energy towards actually making money with LNP rather then bashing it you would be in a much greater and more prosperous state!

These is two sides to every coin, don't believe everything you read online!!

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