Report: #801158

Complaint Review: Daniel Holt

  • Submitted: Wed, November 23, 2011
  • Updated: Sat, November 26, 2011
  • Reported By: Bill NJ — Howell New Jersey United States of America
  • Daniel Holt
    86 Borestone
    United States of America

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I had seen an add on graigs list for an 02 RV. I contacted the seller via email thru graigs list. We decided on a price and shipping method.    A 3rd party invoice was sent thru Google Checkout. I took it to my bank and did some research on the site. It seemed lagit to both myself and the bank.

So payment was sent by wire to the acct and routing #s supplied by the Google Checkout. Faxed copies of the transaction were faxed to the Google # and delivery was to be confirm shortly.

All the time I was intouch w/the seller. After a couple of days w/no info from the seller or shipping co I called the seller on not be truthfull or honest. He replied with an email that plainly stated he was an upright citizen and a proud member of our US Military. He had given conflicting info in several emails.

So when I said if I didnt get my info ASAP I would contact my bank and the local and state authorities. That was the last interaction we had . Since then I have made several complaints w/the local authorities and logged complaits on sites such as this. If more details are required, please contact me. I made copies of everything!
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#1 Consumer Comment


AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

And since you dont know the facts of this transaction and havnt taken the time to find them out. Those people should know what they are talking about before they run their mouths.

By all means if there are more "facts" to your report that you have failed to post please do so.
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#2 Consumer Comment


AUTHOR: Diogenes - (USA)

The warning plainly told you that the deal was a FRAUD,  and that you would lose your money !!!  Just how stupid can you be ??  YOU WERE WARNED, and you sent the money anyway !!!!!  Good grief !!  Does someone have to beat you over the head with a Louisville Slugger in order get your attention ??  And, by the way, you have absolutely no right to complain, as it was YOUR choice not to heed the warnings.  And, judging by your posts, I'm quite sure that you have yet to learn your lesson.  Be sure to post here again the NEXT time you are scammed.
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#3 Consumer Comment


AUTHOR: coast - (USA)

"We all read the warnings"

Yes, but not all of us ignore them like you chose to do. What part of: Offers to ship a vehicle are virtually 100% fraudulent, do not buy vehicles sight-unseen, the vehicle does not exist, and any money you send will be lost do you not understand??

Robert is correct; the paper trail will lead you to a foreign country.

You could have spent a small portion of that money on a new dictionary and saved the postage fee by flushing the rest down the toilet.
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#4 Author of original report

Get a life!!!

AUTHOR: Bill NJ - (United States of America)

What I cant understand is what people that suposedly have never been scamed, taken advantage of or fooled in any way police sites like this for anyway!!! Why are YOU even on these sites??? Get a life, at least I was trying to purchase something I would get enjoyment out of instead of getting my "rocks off" by trying to tear someone apart for a mistake they have already admited they made!!!! I made an honest mistake. I guess that makes me the bad guy!

I thought this site was for information and support for people that have had these problems! And to let future buyers be informed of our mistakes. As far as the mis spelling of Craigs list.We all cant be future mogels of enterprise or the perfect consumer now can we! I guess you passed your typing class in HS. I myself am not a typist. Did you take home ec too.

And since you dont know the facts of this transaction and havnt taken the time to find them out. Those people should know what they are talking about before they run their mouths. If you cant contribute something positive or at least try to give some information that may help, mind your own business and shut your traps!!! Even if it is a waste of time, you try to do the best you can and get thru!

And all you people calling someone an idiot or stupid because someone stole from them. Sounds like a bunch of losers!!! Are you trying to hide your own ignorence. Like I said "GET A LIFE" . Get off the internet and do something worth while. Because your no help here!!! And Im sure other people that have been scamed or needed some type of help think "your" input is a waste of our time.

Well thats it for this site. Seems that most of the people that post here havent got a clue anyway. This is a site to post about "Rip offs" so it wont happen to the next guy. Not a pic on the guy that just got taken for a big chunk of thier savings. Hope one day you never need alittle help or support. Because YOU probly wont get it!
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#5 Consumer Comment

How true

AUTHOR: Diogenes - (USA)

If you can't even spell CRAIGSLIST correctly, I can see how easy it was for you to be scammed.  And the fact that there are WARNINGS all over CraigsList telling you NOT to do the stupid thing that you did, anyway....well, what can I say ?  You must be one incredibly stupid person.  And I'll wager that this isn't the first time you've been scammed, is it ????  You really ought to wise up to what's going on around you, instead of living in your own little world of ignorance.
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#6 Consumer Comment

The facts

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Sorry if you took my response as bitter.  I was just relying the facts of your situation, I have never fallen for any of these scams because I use my common sense. 

If trying to go after these people makes you feel better then by all means...have at it.  But the reality of your situation is that even though there were several warnings you still let yourself get scammed.  If someone is going to be this dumb, nothing anyone could do or say is going to keep that from happening.  The reason no one goes after them, is because there is nothing to go after.

The names they gave you are fake.  The person scamming you was never in the Military, which by the way would a scammer really tell you that they are a scammer?  No they would tell you that they are an "upright" citizen.

If they gave you a phone number, it is to a Throw-Away cell phone that was purchased with either cash or a stolen credit card

The e-mail address is an anonymous e-mail that anyone can get.

If they gave you an address it is most likely to a vacant lot or a business that has nothing to do wit them.

If you sent a Western Union(or similar item) it is untraceable.  They gave you some "account number" to write on the transfer.  All that enabled them to do is to pick it up with out showing ID. 

If you sent a wire to an actual account, it was most likely opened up with fake information and as soon as they took your money out..they will never show up at that bank again.  It is also possible that you just transferred the money into another "victim" who in turn sent a Western Union to them.

Oh yea and one final thing they are in a foreign country.

Once again I am sorry that you lost your money, but hopefully if anything comes out of this it is that you learned a very expensive lesson.
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#7 Consumer Comment

You are so screwed

AUTHOR: voiceofreason - (United States of America)

None of those companies can help save you from yourself.  You did EVERYTHING that Craigslist blatantly tells people NOT to do.

That site is meant strictly for use as a local classified site, for people to purchase from sellers in person.

Nobody should be sending money out to anyone by any other means than one hand to another in person.

When you wire money out of your bank there's nothing they can do to protect you.

Other than filing a police report, you're basically screwed.

I don't understand Google's involvement in any of this, but Craigslist is definitely not to blame here. They warned you, and everyone who goes to the site, and you ignored their warning.
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#8 Author of original report

Why nothing gets fixed

AUTHOR: Bill NJ - (United States of America)

If a buyer has a need or want for an item, and tries to follow the correct procedure to see that their purchase is completed in a fair and timely fashion. Such as research the seller, payment, web sites and shipping details. As you can see there is a chance that there is a pc of dirt that will try and screw you over. He should pursue that transaction to the best of his ability.

There are proffesional thieves out there that do nothing but scam people. We were among them. But even after all the research, emails, invoices and faxs. You can be fooled. That does not say to give up and except your loses.

There are acct #s, tracking and routing #s for the bank. And the web sites and email addresses used in the scam. These are Federal offences, and there are ways to track them down and recoup the moneys or products. " A PAPER TRAIL "

But the BANK or INTERNET site has to be willing to help catch and stop them! They make it so difficult to reach someone ( a live body ) to help, its a crime in itself. Yes we should have went even deeper in the seller check. But we made a poor choice! We felt we had confirmed that a legitimate sale was going to take place. The CURSE of an honest person.... TRUST....

There are people out there using large corp web site "conterfeit" logos, web page designs and email addresses. The large corps dont seem to care that they are being used to dupe us... And for the fellow that seems to think we are all suckers for falling for these scams, and we deserve what we got and should accept it.

Maybe you had no help from them either, and had no luck recouping your loses. Why so bitter to someone that is angry and seeking help for a wrong doing that has been set upon them. We all read the warnings and thats why we do the research on the transactions. You have to take a chance sometime.

Sometimes they get over... But we do have a course of action to follow.

"And Im going to follow them."

So wish me luck, and hope the banks and internet people do thier part to help us stay safe and catch these criminals FAST>>>> Thanks...
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#9 Consumer Comment

Graigs list?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Well there's your problem....perhaps Graigs list hasn't caught up with this scam that the entire world knows about.  After all if you go to Craigslist you will see warnings all over their site about this scam.  In fact you can't even view any of the ads without first seeing the list of warnings that Craigslist puts on their site.

Since then I have made several complaints w/the local authorities and logged complaits on sites such as this. If more details are required, please contact me. I made copies of everything!

- You can make as many copies as you want, or contact who ever you want.  But your money is gone and you are not going to get it back..Sorry.  The only thing that this shows is that there truly is a sucker born every minute.

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