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Complaint Review: EBay - Santa Clara California

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Yet Another Example of eBay Ignoring Fraud on its Website

The author is a practicing attorney, who has formed a very low opinion of eBay and its subsidiary Paypal, based on the manner in which they permit fraud to occur over their web sites. Recently, I was contacted by another defrauded customer of eBay, Lois Reynolds, and she asked me to tell her story so that others might not be victimized by using eBay.

Lois wanted to outline the details of the situation in which she was defrauded on eBay and $1232.49 has been stolen from her, not to mention the emotional turmoil she is going through. She had never bid on or used eBay before until this time.

Dec 15 2005 - Lois entered a bid on a 2000 Crown Victoria on eBayMotors.com of $1186.00, item number 4596509986. This vehicle was up for bid by Payless Auto 503-777-0012 and eBay member ID reddog4359. Lois was quickly outbidded and did not bid anymore on this vehicle.

Dec 18 2005 ? Lois received an email in her eBay mailbox for a second chance offer from eBay member redlittlepebble to purchase the vehicle at her bid of $1186.00 because the winning bidder could not complete the transaction. Lois also received this same email on her alternate email address at lois.reynolds@@jamesriverins.com. The email advised what she needed to do to complete the transaction. Lois was told to email the seller directly at ianc1ianc@hotmail.com and that she would need to send a western union money order for her bid amount.

Dec 21 2005 Lois emailed the seller at the email address given and requested additional info about the vehicle and asked for a payment method other than Western Union. He advised he did not have access to Paypal.com, but to go ahead and send the wire transfer as he had a $20k deposit with eBay.

Dec 21 2005 ? Since Lois had never used eBay before and did not want to get ripped off, Lois went into her eBay account and sent an email to eBay's security and resolution department and asked if this was a valid transaction and told them what was going on.

Dec 21 2005 ? Lois received an email back from confirm@eBay-info-pay.com that gave further instructions to send the money transfer. Also in a separate email on this day, Lois received another email from the same address advising the transaction was protected by eBay and to go ahead with the money transfer. [Author's note, eBay-info-pay.com is not the same as eBay.com, and this email message was probably sent by a fraudulent company.]

Dec 22 2005 ? Lois sent a wire transfer via Western Union to a David Cantrell at the following address: 1105 W. 81st pl, Los Angeles, Ca. 90044-3546. Lois sent all of the payment details to the seller at Ianc1ianc@hotmail.com and sent a copy to eBay at confirm@eBay-info-pay.com.

Dec 22 2005 ? Lois received an email from confirm@eBay-info-pay.com advising that the payment info had been validated and that they would contact the seller with instructions on shipping. These emails are signed, regards eBay payment department. The vehicle was due to arrive in Richmond Va on Tuesday 12/27/2005 but did not arrive.

Dec 23 2005 Lois received an email from eBay Customer Support (mwebhelp@eBay.com) thanking me for reporting the possible fraudulent email and that they will investigate. By this time, Lois had already sent the wire transfer because the car was a Christmas gift for her son.

Lois has since received several emails from eBays customer support department advising that the transaction was not an eBay transaction and that Lois was not eligible for any protection services.

Dec 28 2005 ? Lois filed a IFCC report and filed a fraud report with the Federal Trade commission. Lois has also alerted Western Union's fraud department of this situation. A police report has been filed with the Henrico County Police Department also.

In summary, Lois was deceived out of money due to her trust in eBay's system. Lois logged into her eBay account and the email that offered the second chance offer was in her inbox. Therefore, without question, eBay opened up its internal email system to merchants who engage in fraudulent scams of unsuspecting members of the public. Lois contacted eBay before she sent the transfer and asked for help. Because of eBay's slow response time, another company was able to send Lois a message with an official eBay logo that advised her it was a valid transaction. Lois feels that this was an inside job or someone hacked into the eBay system and took her money, because how else would the fraudulent company have known that she wrote in just at that particular time and asked for verification. [Note from the author: It is important to close out all windows when contacting a company for verification, because if the consumer uses the same window or a linked address the link may say eBay.com Security? but the actual link may go to another bogus site such as eBay-info-pay.com.]

EBay had responded via email advising this transaction is not covered by any protection services as it was not an eBay transaction. But everything Lois did relating to this transactions was initiated through her eBay account. http://michaelguth.com/prose.htm

Michael
Oak Ridge, Tennessee
U.S.A.

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#6 Consumer Comment

As stated, always look at the email headers

AUTHOR: Denny - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 31, 2006

OR log into Ebay physically (ie you open your browser and type in Ebay.com ) and see if messages are in your My Ebay INbox. If it was sent via Ebay, it will show up there.

And learn to read headers. Just because th' from field" says its from someone at ebay.com doesn't necessarily mean its from there.

There are tutorials on how to read headers all over the net, and how to obtain them from your email message. I also suggest that if you get a suspicious email purporting to come from ebay, then run the message throug a service like Spamcop.net , and it will break down the message and tell you where it came from.

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#5 Consumer Comment

Correct for the most part John

AUTHOR: Dave - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 31, 2006

But, that statement about a seller having a public email address is wrong. 90% of the world has yahoo, hotmail, etc. Because it's FREE. Many people do not know or care about setting up their email accounts within the domain they get their service from. I have always used yahoo for my mail. That way I can get my email no matter where I am. Doesn't mean I am a crook!

Also, even the scam mails can end with Ebay.com. I've seen it.

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#4 Consumer Suggestion

I sympathize with your loss. Steps to take to NEVER have this happen again.

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 29, 2006

as a new ebay seller - I'd like to relate a similar situation that happened to one of my ebay bidders.

A very lovely lady called me at home 2 days after the auction closed saying, "she had received an "Second Chance" offer on a used laptop I had up for auction. The reason for her call is that the offer was from another ebay registered user and NOT from me.

We also, discussed the possiblilty that her personal information may have been accessed and how to protect her from what was obviously FRAUD. I suggested as some additional preventive measures that she could take 1. change her ebay password,
2. notify ebay security, 3. cancel her credit card and have a new one issued by her bank

I filed a report with ebay with the information this potential customer had given me. I also, sent a email message to the registered ebay user who by the way had his account hijacked. This is how the customer received the second chance bid.

Luckily, no money had been transferred to the SCAM artist so it was a matter of inconveinence for my customer rather than a Painful Loss.

To Prevent this from EVER happening in the future:
1. 2nd chance offers will NEVER be sent by a registered user who is NOT ALSO the user holding the auction
2. NEVER PAY anyone with cash or by bank transfer
3. ALWAYS use a form of payment that allows you to get your money back if you are not satisfied
4. ALWAYS verify that ebay itself actually sent you the email ( the address will always END WITH ebay.com )
5. NEVER respond to a seller who uses a free email account PERIOD. hotmail, yahoo etc these email address are FREE and are not easily traceable
6. ALWAYS contact the registered seller via ebays internal mail system or through a verifiable email address [seller@aol.com, seller@sellerswebsite.net etc]
7. check out the SCAM page that ebay offers

I dont know about the ebay auto seller who was offering the auto for sale but my customer service [where all the information was available and verifyable concerning your LOSS] principles would suggest that I send you an email on how to NEVER let this happen again AND work with you to help you get another vehicle. Although this is NOT the responsibility of the seller. I feel it is just PLAIN good customer service.
Just a NOTE: as a seller I ONLY use PayPal and I only ship to addresses VERIFIED by PayPal in order to eliminate possible FRAUD.

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#3 Consumer Suggestion

Your Client Isn't Telling the Entire Story

AUTHOR: Annie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 24, 2006

While I sympathize with your client's situation, it appears that she isn't telling the entire story. The "confirm@eBay-info-pay.com" email is the tip off. This is not a valid email address, and eBay's fraud protection services advise never to respond to an email or use a site that does not **end** with ebay.com.; any extraneous characters will always be BEFORE ebay.com.

You need to examine the email headers of any correspondence your client received or sent to determine the actual sender/receiver.

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#2 Consumer Comment

True, Ebay may be slow BUT....

AUTHOR: Dave - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 24, 2006

Come on man... Common sense should tell this person that any payment made via Western Union is a scam.

And, she is not reporting the whole story here... I am sure that the email said something to the effect that she should NOT tell Western Union that this was an Ebay transaction, because of "tax issues". If she was unsure of the policies regarding this type of transaction, WHY DIDN'T SHE GO TO EBAY'S SITE AND READ UP ON THE SCAMS? It's in plain view... If she had taken the time to do this, she would've know she was being scammed. Plus, did she ever think to call Payless Auto to see if this was legit? Also, there are 3 different emails tied to the same car... that in itself should send up red flags all over the place!!!!

I little research on the net would've worked wonders in this situation. Do not fault Ebay entirely for this, there are thousands of scams running everyday involving auction sites, it's hard to keep up with all the emails and questions.

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True, Ebay may be slow BUT....

AUTHOR: Dave - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 24, 2006

Come on man... Common sense should tell this person that any payment made via Western Union is a scam.

And, she is not reporting the whole story here... I am sure that the email said something to the effect that she should NOT tell Western Union that this was an Ebay transaction, because of "tax issues". If she was unsure of the policies regarding this type of transaction, WHY DIDN'T SHE GO TO EBAY'S SITE AND READ UP ON THE SCAMS? It's in plain view... If she had taken the time to do this, she would've know she was being scammed. Plus, did she ever think to call Payless Auto to see if this was legit? Also, there are 3 different emails tied to the same car... that in itself should send up red flags all over the place!!!!

I little research on the net would've worked wonders in this situation. Do not fault Ebay entirely for this, there are thousands of scams running everyday involving auction sites, it's hard to keep up with all the emails and questions.

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