Faith Church St. Louis False Teachers, Prosperity Gospel, Greedy, Frauds, Scam, False Prophets Fenton Missouri

I found this embarrassing for the author. It has no definable heresy listed and refuted with scripture. It just had childish ranting about the pastor being too good for the people, not liking ethnicities and loving money. It sounds like somebody who fancies himself thoroughly educated doctrinally and to anybody with any sort of understanding of scripture, he sounds lacking. Jesus talked about money...A LOT! Was he a money grubber?

Anyway, it never ceases to amaze me how much the body tears itself down for all the world to see. How about praying for Pastor David and his wife? Are they not fellow "souls" that we care for. How easy it is to chalk people up as frauds and carelessly cast them aside, almost happily assuming that they're going to Hell and leading a congregation with them. If you care for souls so much, why not theirs?

I'm all for judging the fruitfulness and doctrine of a ministry as a safeguard for my spiritual life. But come on? Where's the love? Where's the words seasoned with grace? Nobody hears your hateful critique. They just chalk you up as a platform-less nut!

Stop majoring on the minors and minoring on the majors.

Walking in love - major. Wearing jeans - minor.

Remember, we know that we've passed from darkness into light when WE HAVE LOVE for the brethren. 1 John 3:14

Judging your fruit....I'm a little scared for your eternal soul. You couldn't sound more unloving. Sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it.

Whenever people like this come out to "warn" us, look out! What are the motives of this person for saying things awful things about people, and churches. David Crank invites us to bring our brains and Holy Ghost discernment to each service.  Usually, loving christians dont attack people, they coach and and encourage the people of the church.

No where does it say that you have to go to school to be a pastor, so why the disrepect to David?Heaven,MO sounds like someone who goes to different churches once, like a restaurant critic. To truly judge a church worthy of your attendance it takes several weeks to assess what Faith is all about. Secondly, once a jugdement is made, what are you willing to do to help Pastor David understand his mistakes, or wrong teaching, based on scripture!

What an angry person you must be to ttry to hurt a church. Maybe you need to reread the bible and learn how to truly discern with maturity, a churches status. Thank God you are not God, judging me by my dress, and whether I'm in shape or not. We invite you to come back with an open mind and heart and help us be a better church.. 

This rebuttal goes out to u, anonymous, in heaven, mo. U must have alot of time on your hands to sit down and criticize a great man and woman of God!!! David Crank and his wife are fully apointed and anointed to do exactly what they are doing, preaching the word in season and out!! What are you doing, spreadingbullcrap on Gods people inseason and out. U can feel the anointing and Love of God through the tv when u watch their program, why are u hatin on David and Nicole Cragreat nk? I detect jealousy in your writing, calling her a giant, she is a beatifull woman of God, that any good christian man would be glad to have!!! And the fact that both of them are divorced, so what, nicole was in a abusive relationship im glad that she got a divorce, because if she didnt she would be dead by now, guess u would be happy then, huh hater? With their marriage experience and the anointing they will be well qualified to tell anyone about their marriage!!! And for u hater he who is without sin, cast the first stone!!! And u talk about the way David dresses i love it, u know why hater, because the Bible says come a*s ye are!!! Hello, thats in your face, 3d style!!! Then u called David a false prophet, look in the mirror hater, u are the false prophet because u cant say what David said was false!!! David and Nicole both are great preachers and i love them both in the Lord!!! And i plan on becoming a member of their church one day!!! Then u said 2 fat people and a pregnant woman started the service, so what is that against the law are does it say in the Bible heavyset people and pregnant people cant start a church service? Then u told another lie lie when u said God said dont go to faith church u God didnt say that!!! The Bible says touch not my anointed and do my prophets no harm!!! And that allso goes for haters like u!!! U know what happend to those people in the old testament when they were laughing at a prophet of God and all the sudden aloin came out of and attacked them!!! Im just warning u my fake, christian brother are sister, i dont know who u are u stay well hidden, u might look like, na, wait let me get a grip on myself, i feel myself gettin down on mmy belly and sliding across the floor like u!!! God forbid!!! But u were t , totally wrong, making david and nicole out to be on the the level of eddie long, are someone like that are one of them priest!!! I see u wrote that trash allmost 3 years ago, and i stumbled up on it, and it happend for a reason, God wanted me, areal Christian, to confront and defend against that trash that u had the nerve to write about 2 of Gods greatest warriors, u need prayer and i will pray for u in Jesus name, amen.

I am in my early 20s.  I have attended Faith Church ST. Louis my whole life.  I am very familiar with every other church and pastor mentioned in this report, as I have friends from each church and I have visited them several times.  These churches are great places if that is where God leads you but everyone is called to a different flavor of people.  The appearance of a holy man in a suit does not appeal to everyone.   I know that churches are not called to tickle the ears of people, but we are called to reach everyone.     The rough riding biker, the prostitute, the drug addict, anyone that could never see themselves living the cleaver family life style or dressing up to go to church to listen to a nice little message or a message about how they are a bad sinner going to hell.   People that havent experienced the love of God, cant experience the wrath of God first and still want to become a christian.   There is enough condemnation in the world without it being in the church. People first need to feel the love and acceptance of christ and the acceptance of a church congregation that is not judging them by their outward appearance.    That is the Mission of Faith Church.
Jesus ate with the tax collectors because those people would not have walked into a temple, but by Jesus showing his love for them, I bet they changed their lives.    (Matt 9:9)

I have attended every service at Faith Church for the last 15 years.   I have been a volunteer since I was 9.   Ive seen the life of Pastor David over the past 15 years.  I can testify to his love for God and people.  Throughout the years he has given almost everything he owns to support the church and missions.  I know this because I was there to see it.  I see people saying that we are not supposed to make our good works know unto men (Matt 6:1) but Pastor David lets the congregation know that he is also giving to be an example and to prevent a false impressions that he is just preaching for the money.    His salary is less than what a pastor would normaly be paid.  He would be considered lower middle class with his salary.  He gives more to church than he is paid.     Trust me, if he was not called by God to preach, he wouldnt.  There is a lot of troubles that come with the territory of being a pastor.   For a very successful businessman, he does not need the hassle of running a large church.  But God sometimes calls us to do things that are hard on us, but the reward is great. 

I have been with Pastor David as he led missions in the inner city.  He put all his effort into helping African American kids in the rough parts of town.  We fed them, preached, provided Godly entertainment.  Pastor personaly goes with us to feed and preach to the homeless in St. Louis. There is a mixture of many races presented in that situation.   Over many many years David Crank has repeatedly mentioned his desire that we have a church full of all races.   And his actions have always testified to this..

No church is perfect and no pastor is a perfect man. This means that not all services or messages will come out perfect.  But just like the bible we take it at its entirety and not by one scripture.  Pastor David has covered all the fundamentals of the christian faith in his sermons.   As the world draws to the end, we do need more finances to take the gospel further and reach more people as quickly as possible.   We cannot take the gospel to the world just on good intentions, it takes money. So Pastor David uses Gods word and good business principles to teach people how to be more successful. Every message that he preaches on money is always summed up with the fact that money should be used to propagate the gospel.  There must be atleast 100 scriptures that talk about God wanting his children blessed financially.  I have the list infront of me. I believe them as they haven proven true in my life.  At age 21 I purchased a wonderful home, married the love of my life, and became successfully self employed.    I owe my success to fallowing the scriptures about tithing, and serving God for all these years.   All principles I leaned from attending Faith Church and all backed up by scripture.   Having money does not make you selfish or ungodly.  If you seek first the kingdom of God, he promises to give you the desires of your heart.  Read Matt 6:25-33

Now I dont approve of any side of the argument making any hostile remarks to one another.   If I felt someone truly was trying to prevent people from going to a wayward church, I would not criticizes them for it, though its not quite biblical to do things that way.. There is instructions in the Bible for dealing with situation where the preacher is out of line.     In this situation I do believe it is wrong to criticize Faith Church and Pastor David.    You will know false prophets by their fruit (Matt 7:15) and Pastor David has helped bring countless thousands of people to Christ.  And his broadcast on ABC have shown up on tv right in time to save many people from committing suicide.  I know several of these instances... His flavor of preaching reaches people that a suit and tie church could not reach.  But the values that Jesus stood for are preached.  #1 Jesus is the only way to salvation.  We dont judge a church by the few people that leave.  They are judged by the good (fruit) that is done.  Since we are getting people saved, feeding the poor, building churches and sending missionaries to other parts of the world, and supporting other churches and charities.  This church has good fruit. .

Lets stop fighting over this.  Matthew 7:1 says you will be judge in the measure you judge others and that also goes for forgiveness.     Forgive us our debt AS WE forgive our debtors.   

To be salt and light in this world, we cant bicker like the rest of the world.  Anyone who is in Christ is part of the family of Christ.   We all should stand together in peace. I pray that anyone who has turned from God due to the mistakes of churches, would read their Bibles for them selves and first hand see the true love and goodness of Jesus.

I stopped considering myself a Christian at the age of fifteen or so, and this report (and a few of the rebuttals) remind me why.

While I am an atheist, I respect and am familiar with the teachings of Christ. I learned the true word by reading the full text of the New Testament during a three day stint in a holding cell. I would love to hear the judgment that you so-called Christians would cast upon me based solely on the previous two sentences. 

What I see here in no way reflects what Jesus was all about. Passing judgment on your fellow man for the way he looks, because he's a smoker, because he walked away from a failed marriage, or whatever other facets may offend you on a personal level (including one's sexual preferences) is far from Christ-like.

Intruding on a congregation, on a regular basis, for the sole purpose of fueling your vitriol is far from Christ-like.

What you are doing has nothing to do with Jesus. You are merely taking your personal tastes and projecting them onto a beautiful faith. It's nothing more than sinful hatred disguised as the lord's work.

Believe what you want to believe, worship the way you want to worship, and let others do the same. I respect the teachings of Jesus because his true message was far removed from what I have read here. You do the word of god NO good when you toss sciptures around in an effort to justify your abhorrent behavior.

I was looking for information on Faith Church St. Louis because my husband and I wanted to pay this church a visit.  Seeing the name of this church associated with fraud definitely got my attention and almost turned me off.  But the Lord reminded me not to believe everything I'm told and to go forth and pursue visiting this church.

I thank God we were obedient.

We found the church with ease.  From the parking lot, through the lobby, to the seats, and back out again, I'm happy to report that everyone was super friendly.

Everyone greeted us with smiles, and warm welcomes.  We arrived early, so when we made it to our seats, gospel videos played on the big screens helping to usher us into the presence of the Lord for worship.

I'm a worship fanatic.  I love to worship God, and this church definitely has the right idea.  God loves worshippers.

The message didn't come across as one that I was use to, but none the less it was a good message and presented in my opinion by a true man of God who knows the word.

Enough about my experience, because I don't have a bad thing to say.

About your report though: Let me ask you, If Jesus was a big fat man would you still worship him?  I'm not going to bash you.  That's not the will of God, but I will say that you've come across just like the Scribes and Pharisees.

They judged Jesus harshly because He was the son of a "carpenter".

Because He wore plain robes and didn't look all glamorous, they assumed that there was no way, He could be the Messiah.

They were wrong, and you are too.

God uses everyone.  We are all vessels, and just because someone wears jeans instead of glamorous suits, or just because someone is a size 18 instead of an 8 or 2 doesn't mean they are any more or any less qualified or capable to be used by God.

The bible tells us not to judge because in the same manner that we judge, we'll be judged.

My friend you've judged harshly, and you've tarnished this man's reputation.  You will have to answer to God for this.

There are many churches who speak of there many contributions to various communities. The truth is, some may be frauds.  It's sad to say this, but it's true.  But this is where the job of true believers and worshippers come in.

You see, I believe that the Spirit of the Most High God lives inside of me, and no matter where I go, God is going to be right there with me.

There are hypocrites, and fraudulent people everywhere in this world, and it's not for us to bash them.  It's for us to draw them the way that God draws us; with loving kindness.

Instead of running Pastor David Crank and his wifes name in the mud, if you truly thought they were fraudulent you should have prayed for them.

All things work together for the good of those who love the Lord.  What the devil means for bad God means for good.  It's never too late for anyone.  But in my opinion, I don't believe Pastor David Crank is a fraud, neither do I believe that he's racist.

There were plenty of different races in the church, serving as ushers and leading the  worship.  So, I'm sorry that your first impression wasn't that great.  Only God truly knows why that was. If it's the glamor that turned you off, then maybe you should change the way you think and remember God uses whom He wills.

Who cares how fancy the cameras are? The most important thing is worshipping God and keeping your Spirit fed by the Word.

God bless you.

 

 If so how long have you been a christian? I don't know how you as a christian can go on line and slam your fellow christian brother. I would however understand if you are a new or an uneducated christian. I am not saying that the church may not have it's problems, but in the bible it says that if you have aught with your brother that you should talk to him about it and that if he listens to you, you have gained a brother it also says that if he doesn't  listen, that you should take a brother with you to try and work it out, have you done that? I myself am not a member or have even been to this church. I have seen him on TV and  I have not agreed with all that he has to say which is why I was going to thier website to discuss my issue and I saw your statement and was shocked as to your statement about the pastor and his wife and as I and my family have worked with law and lawyers and you have opened yourself up for legal action if they so choose to do so. You need to try and work it out with them and if they don't  listen to you then as it says in the bible you shack the dust of your feet and don't  deal with them anymore. If they are not doing what is Gods will he will deal with them in his due time. I would ask you to seek God for direction and peace in this matter.

To God Be The Glory

Phil 

I used to attend this church a long time ago.  I would repeatedly feel as if everybody was looking down on me because I was not tithing.  I'm sorry but I have bills due in the near future and unless God has plans to get that money back to me before then  (and I doubt it) then I can't give you any of my hard earned money.  I would repeatedly feel that all Pastor David wanted out of me, or anybody else there was my money.  About 95% of the service was money related!  That's all he cares about!  I don't think he could care less about me and my bills.  That church sickens me.  Get behind all the glitz and stages and large audiences watching some pretty great "performances" if you ask me and all you have is a scam.  Plain and simple.  He also makes you feel that if you don't become a slave to the church that you're going to Hell.  That is, coming to every service, participating and giving your time to every event, emptying your pockets at his will.  He's a slave driver.  It's disgusting.  I'm not a superhuman.  I can't do that.  Not with my schedule, and i'm NOT giving up my career to become his slave.  And anybody who goes there is going to read this report and probably my response too and attack it and say that we're wrong because he's got them all COMPLETELY brainwashed.  I feel sorry for his truly adorable daughter.

I found Faith Church through their television broadcasts.  After having some discussions with a friend of mine about the quality of friends in our lives one evening I turned on the television to hear Pastor David speaking about "It's hard to soar like an eagle when you're hanging out with Turkey's".  His message spoke SO closely to things going on in my life I felt curious about this amazing man.  I set my television to begin recording his broadcasts and several weeks in a row he managed to direct messages to things I had either been dealing with, or had spoken to friends about during the week.  It was as God was telling me he'd chosen a church for me to attend, now all I had to do was GO.  So I did!  I drove the 30 minutes to Fenton to attend services and was very impressed as I was greeted by the parking attendants, the door greeter, the usher that helped us find a seat, and then after the service Pastor Nicole and Pastor David walk through the entire church visiting and talking to everyone as long as anyone chooses to stay.  They even go so far as to have a coffee shop right inside the church where you can get a cup of coffee, hot chocolate, bowl of soup, etc. and sit and visit with the Pators after the service.  I have never been to a church where everyone made themselves SO available to each and every person who walked inside their doors.  Their children's department is amazing.  It is so well put together that my children ASK to please go to church!!  YES, the love it there too and always leave with a message to share. 

You can claim FRAUD based on one visit?  A 'packed church to HELL'?  And you know the status of our salvation how?  I seem to recall praying and asking God to forgive me for my sins and acknowledging Christ as my savior when I was just 12 years old.  I renew that dedication to God on a regular basis, thanking him for sending his son to save me from my sins...for knowing that I would be weak and incapable of perfection, that I would NEED to be saved from my own actions and need guidance in life.  And I thank him for directing me to Faith Church where I find so much of help with that guidance. 

Our Pastor preaches to his congregation about being righteous and good, about not judging others and giving from our heart not our pocket.  You see...HE is a Godly man, devout to his faith.  What he wears to speak doesn't matter, because we aren't there to 'judge' him on his attire.  Mistakes or things that have happened in his past make him REAL, not wrong, you see he is human just like we are.  We are there to be blessed by his message, and he never fails to deliver that blessing.

Not sure who you watched lead the worship service since our worship is led by Shelby, and she is a thin very fit female with NO beer belly.  She was pregnant a couple of years ago.  But then I'm certain that is nothing to judge a female for either, and is quite acceptable for a married woman of the church! 

Racist?  Ok, now that is almost laughable and yet sad that you would even accuse such a thing.  Have you met the junior pastors of the church, or the other worship leaders?  Odd that you would refer to Pastor David or Pastor Nicole as Racist since we have worship leaders and junior Pastors who are African American.  And they are well respected leaders in our church!  But then a large percentage of the congregation are from a variety of cultures.  Perhaps you were busy studying Pastor David's attire and failed to take notice?

I could sit and pick apart your letter line by line.  I could comment on the typing errors and grammatic mistakes, each of which cause me to wonder the level of your education.  But truly, there's no cause.  By definition, your letter doesn't address Fraud.  It merely addresses your dislike for a service you attended, and your apparent preference for othere churches.  Which is your right, and something that I can respect even if I don't agree with it.  Unfortunately you do not seem to hold the same respect for other people's choices to choose what they feel is right for their lives.  For me, that is Faith Church and Pastor David and Nicole Crank! 

Respectfully,
Angela

Let him without sin cast the first stone.

My wise mother always taught me to consider the source.  The person that wrote this article is listed as anonymous.  If you are going to post anything you should at least offer your name for credibility.

 

Jabs at peoples appearance have no room in the presence of Christ.  God is good! He has formed us in his image!  Superficial remarks about peoples appearance are far from Christ like.  Enough said about that.  Believe me I could say more but I dont think Jesus or Pastor David would approve.

 

I could rebut every item in this persons article but I wont.  I will say that Pastor David and Nicole have helped me and my family reach a deeper relationship with Christ than we have ever had before.  We love his teachings and his willingness to help.  The whole church is very friendly and has the best Praise and Worship band I have ever heard.  Pastor Dave preaches that our God is a loving god and that he is not mad at you for your transgressions.   God wants you to reach out to him and he will provide.  Personally, I dont know where I would be without FaithChurch.  It is Devine.  The Lord is present there.  I feel it every Sunday.  If you want to go to a church where everyone is smiling, you hear wonderful music that praises our king and brings tears to your eyes, and you hear a relevant message that calls you to action, then FaithChurch is for you.  Even if you are new to Christianity or havent developed a relationship with God Faith Church is the place for you. There is a reason that the church is the 5^th largest growing church in the nation.  Pastor David and Nicole dont ever ask for money however, money is necessary to help those in need.  Our church built a church and water well in India from donations.  Before our intercession the people did not have clean drinking water or a place to worship. We have helped countless people in our own area too. We have taken one of the largest night clubs in the St. Louis area and turned it into a place of worship.  Nothing is impossible and Pastor Dave affirms that for me and the whole congregation every week.  Please, please, please come to the church first before you pass judgment.  God bless you!  Hes not mad at you!  He wants you to rely upon Him!  He will provide if you let him. 

Kimberly S. 

seems to me david from ellisville prefers 3 churches he likes. i for one am offended that he only likes these churches,as he only talks about david at faith church being such a fraud. who is david from ellisville? would you like top meet me and go see david cran k ion person and accuse him of being a fraud? i will gladly take you to him for you to accuse. I'am not a member of this church,buit i go when i can, and would love to take you with me.who are you to tell people what church to go to, sounds like to me you just love yourself.paul st. louis,mo

next time you might want to tell the truth.  sounds like you have a lot of hate, maybe you might want to look inside first, you wrote all these lies about faith church.  you call yourself a christian but you judge our creator is the only one to judge.  Faith Church loves all people, they have a very large number of African Americans.  Please next time reveal yourself, otherwise keep your hate to your self and stop lying.

Maybe the pastor is a con artist. I don't know. However to state that he is a Klan member is ridiculous. Obviously Anonymous does not know that there is no such organization called the KKK. All Klan groups have names such as the Mississippi White Knights, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and so forth. If he is a member, then tell us which one. He did not provide any evidence that this man hates Blacks. What is he basing that accusation on?

I do not like large churches or TV evangelists whatsoever. However since I did not personally witness the sermon I will remain silent on that issue. I do feel that Anonymous has his right to his opinion though.

obviously you have know idea what Faith Church stands for nor do you understand the wonderful relationship we have with our Pastor. The Word says touch not my annointed and do my prophets no harm. If I where you I would watch my mouth. there is power in the tongue. I am an african american member of Faith Church St. Louis and I have a wonderful and very meaningful position in our church as well as a very close relationship with my Pastors far as you claming my Pastors are predjudice just goes to show you know nothing. If when you arrived there where no greeters at the doors that means you where LATE. We excell in excellence at our church service always starts on time and we are all in our seats to recieve the Word of God from Our Pastor yes that's right I said Pastor. I pray for you that you be not so judgemental when you are in the house of the Lord because when you only come to judge you miss what our Lord has in store for you. Pastor Nicole is a beautiful women why would you ever speak ill of her that with in it self is not of God. He did not trash President Obama he has a right to preach about abortion it is not right to kill babies it's in the bible. This is America right?

I pray for you daily
Angela

obviously you have know idea what Faith Church stands for nor do you understand the wonderful relationship we have with our Pastor. The Word says touch not my annointed and do my prophets no harm. If I where you I would watch my mouth. there is power in the tongue. I am an african american member of Faith Church St. Louis and I have a wonderful and very meaningful position in our church as well as a very close relationship with my Pastors far as you claming my Pastors are predjudice just goes to show you know nothing. If when you arrived there where no greeters at the doors that means you where LATE. We excell in excellence at our church service always starts on time and we are all in our seats to recieve the Word of God from Our Pastor yes that's right I said Pastor. I pray for you that you be not so judgemental when you are in the house of the Lord because when you only come to judge you miss what our Lord has in store for you. Pastor Nicole is a beautiful women why would you ever speak ill of her that with in it self is not of God. He did not trash President Obama he has a right to preach about abortion it is not right to kill babies it's in the bible. This is America right?

I pray for you daily
Angela

obviously you have know idea what Faith Church stands for nor do you understand the wonderful relationship we have with our Pastor. The Word says touch not my annointed and do my prophets no harm. If I where you I would watch my mouth. there is power in the tongue. I am an african american member of Faith Church St. Louis and I have a wonderful and very meaningful position in our church as well as a very close relationship with my Pastors far as you claming my Pastors are predjudice just goes to show you know nothing. If when you arrived there where no greeters at the doors that means you where LATE. We excell in excellence at our church service always starts on time and we are all in our seats to recieve the Word of God from Our Pastor yes that's right I said Pastor. I pray for you that you be not so judgemental when you are in the house of the Lord because when you only come to judge you miss what our Lord has in store for you. Pastor Nicole is a beautiful women why would you ever speak ill of her that with in it self is not of God. He did not trash President Obama he has a right to preach about abortion it is not right to kill babies it's in the bible. This is America right?

I pray for you daily
Angela

You said it!!! These so called "anointed" have lifted THEMSELVES up to be the equal of the Lord. They teach that you have to obey church leadership, which is umbilical. They teach that you will be cursed if you don't pay tithes, but my Bible tells me that if you are truly saved, you CAN'T be cursed! They tell you that you have to obey the pastor but Jesus told us that we should call NO ONE rabbi or master because we are all brothers.

It can't be both ways and very few people actually discover that. I wonder if that is what Jesus meant when he said that straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to salvation and few there in that find it.

David referred to "God's Anointed" as King Saul. To my knowledge, there are no preachers, pastors etc that are Kings of Israel. To me, this is more scripture twisting by certain individuals in the pulpit to have their congregregation give them more honor than they are due.

I applaud you. If more people would stand up and speak out against these Pharisees the better off everyone would be. You CAN NOT BUY THE BLESSINGS OF GOD and ANYONE that says otherwise is not only a liar but a DAMNED LIAR! I am a former preacher and will never ever step onto a pulpit again. One reason is I do not believe that "church" as we know and practice it is Biblical. It is a carryover from the early Catholic Church. The other reason is that I am also divorced and remarried. My "holy and righteous, gospel singing" ex-wife was screwing the house guest of a church member on HER living room sofa while she was in the same room.

To Keahi, keep reading your Bible and STOP listening to the Satanic rantings of "pastors."

I applaud you. If more people would stand up and speak out against these Pharisees the better off everyone would be. You CAN NOT BUY THE BLESSINGS OF GOD and ANYONE that says otherwise is not only a liar but a DAMNED LIAR! I am a former preacher and will never ever step onto a pulpit again. One reason is I do not believe that "church" as we know and practice it is Biblical. It is a carryover from the early Catholic Church. The other reason is that I am also divorced and remarried. My "holy and righteous, gospel singing" ex-wife was screwing the house guest of a church member on HER living room sofa while she was in the same room.

To Keahi, keep reading your Bible and STOP listening to the Satanic rantings of "pastors."

I applaud you. If more people would stand up and speak out against these Pharisees the better off everyone would be. You CAN NOT BUY THE BLESSINGS OF GOD and ANYONE that says otherwise is not only a liar but a DAMNED LIAR! I am a former preacher and will never ever step onto a pulpit again. One reason is I do not believe that "church" as we know and practice it is Biblical. It is a carryover from the early Catholic Church. The other reason is that I am also divorced and remarried. My "holy and righteous, gospel singing" ex-wife was screwing the house guest of a church member on HER living room sofa while she was in the same room.

To Keahi, keep reading your Bible and STOP listening to the Satanic rantings of "pastors."

I applaud you. If more people would stand up and speak out against these Pharisees the better off everyone would be. You CAN NOT BUY THE BLESSINGS OF GOD and ANYONE that says otherwise is not only a liar but a DAMNED LIAR! I am a former preacher and will never ever step onto a pulpit again. One reason is I do not believe that "church" as we know and practice it is Biblical. It is a carryover from the early Catholic Church. The other reason is that I am also divorced and remarried. My "holy and righteous, gospel singing" ex-wife was screwing the house guest of a church member on HER living room sofa while she was in the same room.

To Keahi, keep reading your Bible and STOP listening to the Satanic rantings of "pastors."

I am starting to feel like Charles Manson's mother must feel like. Knowing she has a lunatic for a son, I know I do as well.

Listen to me son, you really need to get back on your meds. You are in need of some balance in between your ears.

BTW your preaching on March 11th to your anger management group, well was short of good. It actually was pethetic. Please give that up now before you tick off the rest of the angery people and they decide to give you the throw overboard. Both of the people that listened to you spew that night are like you, not stable.

I would like to extend an invite to all to come to the support group I started. It is for all those mothers that have some jacked up sons, as I do. Since I started it, we have had many mom's come to help each other. Mothers of people like, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, and Jeffery Dahmer are all part of it now. They share with me the same thing, a son turned nut. You can find it on the web at (((Redacted)))

Keahi, make sure you seek out a church that will work for you. Just because perhaps this one did not work for you, please find one that will. You should not decide that you are going to just stop going to any church because the enemy messed up your thinking and you got offended at one. That offense is a tool that the enemy uses to seperate people from the body of Christ. Then when he gets you alone, he will devour you. 1 Peter 5:8, says Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour
It says, "whom he may devour" May meaning permission. Don't be like my boy anonymous and open yourself up for the enemy to get permission to take you out. When you take your last breath and you are standing before the Father, you will have to give an account for yourself, not for the offense you took. Notice I said for the offense you took. You do not have to have that offense, just make it up in your heart that you will not take the bait from the enemy. Offense is from him afterall.

Anonymous, listen to me son, stop your hate spewing and please stop touching God's annointed. And repent for what you have done up to this point. Read 1 John 1:9 son. I am going to ground you from playing D&D if you are not careful.

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

Nobody FORCES anyone to go to a church.

If you don't like the stuff this church preaches ---like the Good Book says, in the New Testament, I think, " LET THE UNBELIEVER DEPART."

SO don't go back to the place if you don't like it and let people believe what they want to believe.

IT IS STILL A FREE COUNTRY WITH FREEDOM TO WORSHIP THE WAY YOU SEE FIT.

All these attacks on these people you used to worship with ( apparently) are just a waste of time.

Forget about it and go somewhere else to worship.

From what I understand, it does say in the Bible that an elder must have no more than one wife. This rules out divorced men from becoming pastors of churches. I think some people are more interested in the hoopla that goes on in these services that in what the Bible says how a church is to be run.

Well, I think it is fair to say that these postings have created quite a stir. Or, everyone is brainwashed from Cranks message this past Sunday night where he told the gulliable congrents to FIGHT for there pastor and not let them kill or stab them in the back. I guess Crank is starting to feel the heat. Your sins Crank, will come back and haunt you. You can't continue to screw people over and not think it won't come back and haunt you. Crank mentioned how he gets threats so he has a shot gun and cameras in his mansion that that the congregation is basically paying for. Well if you wern't being a FRAUD, you would'nt get threats or need guns. What type of Pastor even says that? I doubt Joel would say something like that.

Speaking of threats, Patti, I haven't threatened anyone. I won't bring any physical harm to them. By warning people, that will do more than enough. Also Patti, I am highly intelligent. I wouldn't post slanderous statments online if they were traceable. So Patti and everyone else, scroll down to the bottom of this page, Rip off doen't reveal the author to NOBODY. That includes POLICE, JUDGES, etc...

Actually, slander is something that is not true. I haven't said anything that isn't true. Crank is a FRAUD and I can prove it...PERIOD!

Also, Patti your WRONG. I'm not African American so, nice try. Also, no, I don't beat my wife. I love the hell out of that women and would never raise a fist at her. So, again Patti, your wrong. To Nicole, there is a reason she was abused and why Crank's women LEFT HIM...HMM, don't you find that to be interesting????

Oh ya, Crank isn't qualified to Pastor, councel people. Crank admitted that on Sunday night by saying, "yea, were divorced, but since we have been through horrible stuff were qualified to council people." What? The bible says ONE wife....Crank is on number TWO therefore, your not qualfied. You didn't even start your church. You were handed it because no one else could do it. PERIOD!

To my "fake mother,' very funny.

To Gwen, stepping up to the enemy? I guess another gulliable congrent. Cursed with a curse? I guess half of America should be cursed for cursing Joel Osteen, Rick Warren and another FRAUD, Joyce Meyer...Oh yea, I went there. She is such a fake...Is there any reason she was investigated?????

Also, Gwen, you say that Crank tells the guests they don't have to give?? Boy doe Crank have you Brainwashed...Thats how they get their new members...By not asking for money from their guests, on their telecast and by wearing jeans, Crank is trying to look legit. Gwen and EVERYONE else, once again, Cranks + Faith Church Stl + Prosperity Gospel = HELL.....

Instead of getting defensive, how about you look into all my "claims." I doubt if I were to post this about Joel, people would be debating this. You guys know I'm telling the truth about these FRAUDS. As I said before, listen to his messages, look at qualifications from the BIBLE NOT man and it clearly shows Crank is a FRAUD.

Folks, people like David & Nicole Crank have to be stopped. They are single-handedly destroying the faith of many, and emptying their pocketbooks while they are doing it. May the Lord have mercy on the souls of the unfortunate people who love David & Nicole Crank more than the truth!

Anonymous

Well, I think it is fair to say that these postings have created quite a stir. Or, everyone is brainwashed from Cranks message this past Sunday night where he told the gulliable congrents to FIGHT for there pastor and not let them kill or stab them in the back. I guess Crank is starting to feel the heat. Your sins Crank, will come back and haunt you. You can't continue to screw people over and not think it won't come back and haunt you. Crank mentioned how he gets threats so he has a shot gun and cameras in his mansion that that the congregation is basically paying for. Well if you wern't being a FRAUD, you would'nt get threats or need guns. What type of Pastor even says that? I doubt Joel would say something like that.

Speaking of threats, Patti, I haven't threatened anyone. I won't bring any physical harm to them. By warning people, that will do more than enough. Also Patti, I am highly intelligent. I wouldn't post slanderous statments online if they were traceable. So Patti and everyone else, scroll down to the bottom of this page, Rip off doen't reveal the author to NOBODY. That includes POLICE, JUDGES, etc...

Actually, slander is something that is not true. I haven't said anything that isn't true. Crank is a FRAUD and I can prove it...PERIOD!

Also, Patti your WRONG. I'm not African American so, nice try. Also, no, I don't beat my wife. I love the hell out of that women and would never raise a fist at her. So, again Patti, your wrong. To Nicole, there is a reason she was abused and why Crank's women LEFT HIM...HMM, don't you find that to be interesting????

Oh ya, Crank isn't qualified to Pastor, councel people. Crank admitted that on Sunday night by saying, "yea, were divorced, but since we have been through horrible stuff were qualified to council people." What? The bible says ONE wife....Crank is on number TWO therefore, your not qualfied. You didn't even start your church. You were handed it because no one else could do it. PERIOD!

To my "fake mother,' very funny.

To Gwen, stepping up to the enemy? I guess another gulliable congrent. Cursed with a curse? I guess half of America should be cursed for cursing Joel Osteen, Rick Warren and another FRAUD, Joyce Meyer...Oh yea, I went there. She is such a fake...Is there any reason she was investigated?????

Also, Gwen, you say that Crank tells the guests they don't have to give?? Boy doe Crank have you Brainwashed...Thats how they get their new members...By not asking for money from their guests, on their telecast and by wearing jeans, Crank is trying to look legit. Gwen and EVERYONE else, once again, Cranks + Faith Church Stl + Prosperity Gospel = HELL.....

Instead of getting defensive, how about you look into all my "claims." I doubt if I were to post this about Joel, people would be debating this. You guys know I'm telling the truth about these FRAUDS. As I said before, listen to his messages, look at qualifications from the BIBLE NOT man and it clearly shows Crank is a FRAUD.

Folks, people like David & Nicole Crank have to be stopped. They are single-handedly destroying the faith of many, and emptying their pocketbooks while they are doing it. May the Lord have mercy on the souls of the unfortunate people who love David & Nicole Crank more than the truth!

Anonymous

Well, I think it is fair to say that these postings have created quite a stir. Or, everyone is brainwashed from Cranks message this past Sunday night where he told the gulliable congrents to FIGHT for there pastor and not let them kill or stab them in the back. I guess Crank is starting to feel the heat. Your sins Crank, will come back and haunt you. You can't continue to screw people over and not think it won't come back and haunt you. Crank mentioned how he gets threats so he has a shot gun and cameras in his mansion that that the congregation is basically paying for. Well if you wern't being a FRAUD, you would'nt get threats or need guns. What type of Pastor even says that? I doubt Joel would say something like that.

Speaking of threats, Patti, I haven't threatened anyone. I won't bring any physical harm to them. By warning people, that will do more than enough. Also Patti, I am highly intelligent. I wouldn't post slanderous statments online if they were traceable. So Patti and everyone else, scroll down to the bottom of this page, Rip off doen't reveal the author to NOBODY. That includes POLICE, JUDGES, etc...

Actually, slander is something that is not true. I haven't said anything that isn't true. Crank is a FRAUD and I can prove it...PERIOD!

Also, Patti your WRONG. I'm not African American so, nice try. Also, no, I don't beat my wife. I love the hell out of that women and would never raise a fist at her. So, again Patti, your wrong. To Nicole, there is a reason she was abused and why Crank's women LEFT HIM...HMM, don't you find that to be interesting????

Oh ya, Crank isn't qualified to Pastor, councel people. Crank admitted that on Sunday night by saying, "yea, were divorced, but since we have been through horrible stuff were qualified to council people." What? The bible says ONE wife....Crank is on number TWO therefore, your not qualfied. You didn't even start your church. You were handed it because no one else could do it. PERIOD!

To my "fake mother,' very funny.

To Gwen, stepping up to the enemy? I guess another gulliable congrent. Cursed with a curse? I guess half of America should be cursed for cursing Joel Osteen, Rick Warren and another FRAUD, Joyce Meyer...Oh yea, I went there. She is such a fake...Is there any reason she was investigated?????

Also, Gwen, you say that Crank tells the guests they don't have to give?? Boy doe Crank have you Brainwashed...Thats how they get their new members...By not asking for money from their guests, on their telecast and by wearing jeans, Crank is trying to look legit. Gwen and EVERYONE else, once again, Cranks + Faith Church Stl + Prosperity Gospel = HELL.....

Instead of getting defensive, how about you look into all my "claims." I doubt if I were to post this about Joel, people would be debating this. You guys know I'm telling the truth about these FRAUDS. As I said before, listen to his messages, look at qualifications from the BIBLE NOT man and it clearly shows Crank is a FRAUD.

Folks, people like David & Nicole Crank have to be stopped. They are single-handedly destroying the faith of many, and emptying their pocketbooks while they are doing it. May the Lord have mercy on the souls of the unfortunate people who love David & Nicole Crank more than the truth!

Anonymous

The charismatic Full Gospel way of worshippig and praise is not for everybody.

If you do not like the way a particuliar church worships, then it is time for you to get yourself to another church where you can worship in the way that you think is better for you.

No one is forcing you to attend this church.

I think it is a beautiful thing to have diversity in the Church, any church!

If anyone from the church is reading this, they might want to see if they can remember any mentally disturbed members or non-members, any recent acts of vandalism to their gathering place, any one who was drunk or under the influence of drugs who may have come in extremely late...

You need to find out who this original poster is and contact the police or sheriff or whoever does yout law enforcement. If he or she objects so strongly to a culturally diverse Congregation when we are ALL children of the Same Creator, then he or she might commit a hate crime against the church and that is a federal matter.

I am not a Christian but I have many very wonderful, beautiful friends who are and they choose to worship in this manner.

When I read this at first, I thought it was a joke of some kind until I got further into it and I think your church needs to have security to protect your congregation here on earth.

This is a very sad commentary on how religion has apparently failed this person but instead of trying to find a congregation they feel would better meet their needs, they post something like THIS.

I wish this congregation good luck and I hope that this person is arrested before anything bad happens from him.

God bless you all.

To Patti,
I have never been to your church so I can't talk about your pastor. But I can say this; ANY ONE that preaches this "name it and claim" or the "faith seed" crap IS A FRAUD! And I am only repeating what Jesus said. Jesus told us not to give out of obligation. He told us not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing. Read what happened to a man named Simon who tried to BUY the blessings of the Spirit. Well, these preachers teach that this is what we have to do...give to earn the good favor of God. There's a word for that and it is Paganism! Most pastors know little or nothing about the Lord Jesus. They do know how to scare the pants off of people and rob them of the money that God has blessed them with.

First of all. The Lord REBUKE YOU, who ever the individual is "David" from Heaven, MO. I think he meant to say "on assignment from HELL". The Bible says to touch not my annointed nor do my prophets any harm. David unless you repent, you will be cursed with a curse. I dare you say that Pastor David and Pastor Nicole are users,deceivers and manipulators of the people of God. First of all, I am a African American member of Faith Church St. Louis, where I am proud to say that my Pastor is David and Nicole Crank. That is a lie from the pit of hell that you stated that there were "no greeters or ushers" at our door. You must have arrived half way through the service, but if you were there at the beginning like you said, I know that you are a liar. Our greeters and ushers are on their post until it's time for the Pastor to speak. You have taken one sermon that you heard and blown it all of of portionl. On this past Sunday, when Pastor David was taking up the offering, he told our visitors, that they don't even have to participate in our offerings they are our guests!!! You are mocking and making fun of the height of Pastor Nicole, you are a real silly brother! Why would you say she is 11 feet tall, that's just plain stupid. Pastor David has never talked down about President Obama, he said that President Obama is a very attractive and handsome man today and just how the presidency wears and tears on all of them that have held the position. How can you dare called them RACIST! They show the love of Jesus Christ to each and every person under their care. If you were such a man of God, the Bible tells us that if we see a brother or sister falter, to restore one in a spirit of meekness, which is the complete opposite of what you did on this website. You have slandered, mocked and falsely accussed this wonderful people of God. And for your information, we all know why Pastor David and Nicole are divorced, I guess you missed that service, for your information, her husband was on drugs and clicked out and left and his wife decided to leave him. Guess what Holy Man, we all got a story even the great men and women of God that we read about in the scriptures. What about David, he committed adultry, got a man killed so that he could get his wife and went on to be the King of Israel. So what, you think God missed it on King David, why don't you go ahead and tell God how he should have handled that one, apparently, you know more than God does.

All I can say to you my brother is that you better repent, quick fast and in a hurry. You were sent on assignment from a high ranking demon from the pits of hell!!!!

To All of the Haters!!!

The Favor of God is on Faith Church Saint Louis

Gwen J-From the LOU

THIS WAS HILARIOUS ==ONE OF THE FUNNIEST THINGS I HAVE REASON ON THE INTERNET YET AND THEN I REALIZED

I WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THE HANDIWORK OF AN EXTREMELY MENTALLY ILL PERSON WHO NEEDS SOME PSYCHIATRIC HELP AND I HOPE THAT WE WILL NOT BE READING THE NEWSPAPERS ABOUT AN ATROCITY COMMITTED BY THIS PERSON UPON THIS CONGREGATION OR SEEING IT ON NETWORK NEWS.

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET THIS PERSON SOME PSYCHIATRIC HELP ASAP!

IF THIS IS NOT A JOKE OR A MADE-UP POST, THEN THIS IS ONE SICK PERSON HERE WHO NEEDS HELP BADLY.

I HOPE THEY FIND IT SOON!

I must start off by saying I am truly sorry that about what has happened here. Allow me to explain some back ground information so that you may understand where he comes from. When little Anonymous was about 2, I dropped him on his head. The Dr said that after the swelling on his brain went down, he would never be the same. Well the Dr was correct. Anonymous has been spewing hate his entire life. Everyone he comes into contact with he argues with and makes up lies about. That is just what has happened here. Another thing that helped mold my boy Anonymous into what he has become as an adult, is as a 5 year old, he did not get enough cookies. He is still bitter about that. I failed to let him have his cookies and milk every night and now he takes it out on the world.
Patti, to answer your question about where my lad Anonymous is preaching at on March 11th, he will be preaching to all his buddies at the Anger Management course he has been sentenced to attend. It is part of his recovery process.

Son, Anonymous, I want you to finally start reading the Bible. You obviously have not done that yet.
Make sure you get a hold of Romans 14:10-14 10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11 It is written:
" 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.' "12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food[b] is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.

I continue to pray for you as all mothers do for their sons, I hope someday you will come to know the Lord, He is Love. You need to get some of that.

Well, anonymous -- I see you now have a "partner in massacre" named Keahi -- a "Japanese-American". And from your current comments, you have confirmed what I already suspected - you, obviously, are an "African-American". It is always interesting to me the various groups of people who refer to themselves as hyphenated, rather than just an AMERICAN. I, personally, am of Irish descent - but I have never referred to myself as an "Irish-American". I was born and raised in the United States - and THIS is my country. I always wondered why some people feel the need to identify themselves with a country or a part of the world that 99% of them have never even seen. And why they are not proud to be an American citizen - it's sad. But - that's just an aside. I digress.
Look, anonymous, you and I and the people like you are never going to agree, so this is going to be my last response to you -- I went into this rhetorical "project" with you trying to explain some things to you, however, after three sessions, I realize you don't want to hear the truth - you just want to annihilate Pastor David Crank. You have a vendetta against him, obviously. You mentioned that he "knows" you -- well, since you said that, I may "know" you, too. And if you are that person, I also KNOW for sure this is a vendetta - you have a personal grudge against this Pastor and this is a "let's destroy Faith Church" campaign. Well, guess what, anonymous (and you're not so anonymous anymore are you) - it's not going to work. And Keahi? Well, first of all, I wonder if he/she even exists, and secondly, it's probably a friend of yours that you had put a blurb on the site to give your rantings and ravings creedence.
My major concern in this whole diatribe of yours is that it seems you are actually bordering on threats against Pastor David and Pastor Nicole. When you say things like "......no wonder Nicole got beat up", that tells me that you feel that if she does something you don't agree with, she "deserves" to be beaten? Would you do that, anonymous? It would seem so. So do you beat your woman/women, anonymous? If she doesn't "do what you tell her to do" you beat her? Oh that makes you a REAL "MAN" doesn't it. Men like you are thoroughly disgusting. Put you in a room with a REAL MAN and you would cower like the coward you are. And you call yourself a child of the most high God? Don't flatter yourself. the most high God does not condone someone who says that any woman "deserves" to be beaten by any man. You are one twisted individual.
Oh - and when you looked at the stats for all your posts - I think they are probably reading yours in order to read my rebuttals. People love a good "fight". At least SOMEONE (me) is taking the time to rebut your idiotic, narcissistic, childish drivel. THAT'S what they are reading, anonymous - NOT simply your narrow-minded, slanted, arrogant ravings.
And Keahi -- you are, unfortunately, just one more person of foreign descent - AS WE ALL WERE IN THE LAST TWO HUNDRED YEARS - that has a chip on their shoulder and can't handle it if anyone so much as makes a comment about your heritage. I really wish (and so does the majority of the rest of the world) that you all would get over yourselves. Should I get offended every time someone tells a joke about an Irishman who gets drunk, or likes potatoes, or is a Catholic??? For crying out loud, grow up! The Japanese official that Pastor Crank was talking about the night in question DID look terrible -- he WAS really upset -- Pastor was giving an illustration of a government official who was really worried - and it showed - about the state of his country's economy! It was on the front page of the paper for crying out loud! So go to the NEWSPAPERS and complain why don't you! This was your beloved MEDIA who made a big deal about it! Pastor David just talked about it!!! Once again, you people grab onto something and you twist it for your own slanted, personal agenda, and try to make something out of it that was not at all intended. You all need to get over yourselves. No one owes you anything because your ancestors came from someplace else -- guess what -- ALL OUR ANCERTORS DID. Some of us are just proud to be Americans - a shame you obviously are not. And you know -- you can always go back to that country if you don't like it here...........think about doing that why don't you. If it's so bad here, why are you still here???? I don't see anyone forcing you to stay!
Anonymous - you say Pastors David and Nicole are not qualified to give marital advice? Uhhhh why? Because they are divorced? They ".....can't even stay married themselves" was what you said? Interesting. So one more time, you have NOT done your research - which by now permeates your entire diatribes - because they have been together 13 years - that's a lot more than a lot of people -- seems like they are "staying married" pretty well to me. And personally I would rather take advice from people with some experience in the world and even people who HAVE gone through a divorce - than someone like you who is the "husband of one woman" and has never even had a clue what it is like to go through that kind of pain, and thinks that June Cleaver gets up every morning and cooks breakfast for Ward and the kids - oh AFTER she puts on her beautiful dress, her little apron, her earrings, FULL makeup and hair, and utters her "whatever you say, Ward, dear" dialog all day. PLEASE! That was a TV show, anonymous -- you need to realize this is the REAL world -- people are not perfect - no, not even YOU, anonymous, even though you obviously think you are - people get hurt, go through trials, have to depend upon God and God meets them where they are and heals their wounds and hurts and comforts them -- thru places like the Faith Church. Thank God He has a place like the Faith Church. If all of us who have had trials in our lives had to depend on people like you and Keahi and "perfect" churches (just ask them), like you obviously think you attend, a lot of souls would be lost. And somehow my Jesus that I read about in the Bible did not come to condemn us...........there is a verse in the New Testament that starts with "....there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." Thank God Jesus is God and not you or your friends. And while we're on that subject..........does that mean that Catholics should not go to their priests for counseling either - because priests can never be married, you know -- so they're not qualified either, right? They're not divorced - but they've never been married either. So what - what they learn out of a book makes them qualified to counsel married people and the fact that someone has been divorced does not? Because what - one failure constitutes failure for the rest of one's life? Oh yeah, anonymous - you're really intelligent. THAT logic is really Christian. What a piece of work you and your buddy Keahi are! You are both judgemental, arrogant, narrow-minded people. Better continue to study the term "Christian".
And as far as racists not belonging in leadership -- the racist is not Pastor David, anonymous - the RACIST IS YOU!!! I have heard more racism coming out of you since we started this dialog than I hear in a week in the world. You mention in this last dialog that you don't hate all white people now - oh - you just hate SOME of us?? Well, you certainly have used the correct word. Because the tone of your letters are that of HATE LETTERS. You absolutely qualify as a huge RACIST, anonymous. I can feel it coming out of your words. You are racist, hateful, and resentful that this white preacher dares to talk about some of your "sacred cows" - your traditions that you obviously have such a sick need to hold onto. Remember what Jesus said about tradition -- in Matthew. He said that because of your tradition, He could not do the work He wanted to do......he was speaking to the Jews - but put yourself in there, anonymous. You need to lose your pre-programmed attitudes about things - and get into the Word of God -- HE has no traditions - HE can use whomever He chooses to use - David Crank, Joel Osteen, who, by the way, you seemed to love a letter or two ago - now you don't - what's up with that??? your favorite preachers Jeff Perry and even this Bayless Conley - who I still never heard of. But you are so caught up in tradition and ritual you are completely blind to what Jesus Christ is doing. I feel sorry for you. And formal training? Let me tell you something -- you don't receive the anointing of the Holy Spirit out of a book. It comes from opening your heart up to Jesus Christ. I have heard some really great teachers and preachers over the years who are excellent up to a point, you can tell they really love the Lord, but they are so bound up in tradition and MAN-MADE rules and regulations and limitations, that they refuse to allow the HOLY SPIRIT to teach them........consequently they block many of the blessings that God would love to bestow upon them....usually the gifts of the Holy Spirit because "oh, we might offend somebody"..........guess what - the Holy Spirit doesn't care! He wants to bless us. He's not concerned about human beings' opinions! I'll never understand why people like you care more about traditions and opinions than you do about what God wants. Stop trying to put God in your stupid box! He won't stay there! So give me a Pastor any day with life experience - someone who has been there, done that, and can relate to what I am going through - than someone who has piously gone to their little classes every day for 4 years and learned everything they can out of a book, and then try to tell me how to live my life. I don't think so! That's like a child psychologist trying to tell you how to handle your child - and they have no children of their own.
And the black kids Pastor brought up on stage -- I know that family well. They are four black kids who all have terminal diseases - their birth mothers either abandoned them or were crackheads and almost killed them in vitro - that's why one of them is basically vegetative in a wheelchair and can do nothing for themselves..........and guess who adopted them? A WHITE WOMAN! YEP, anonymous -- a WHITE WOMAN. ONE OF US!!! DEAL WITH THAT. YOU are the racist, anonymous - not us. NOT Pastor David. The church takes care of that family - NOT because those kids are black - but because we don't see color -- but it seems that YOU do! Why don't you talk to Pastor Omar about that? You need it. So my question still sands -- who do you think you are? Your answer is sad. A child of the most high God? Yes, anonymous, you are -- but only because God is merciful. He certainly is NOT pleased with someone like you who sets himself up as perfect - in body AND in mind. I cannot believe the degree of arrogance you have that because you are a self-described "work out freak" you think you are "perfect" - my God man -- are you that stupid? Has satan blinded you that much? Evidently so! So WHAT if you have no "love handles"? You have a telephone pole sticking out of your eyes!!! You are so bound up in hatred you can't even see it! And then you say "average looking man? wow - you keep the jokes coming:......which obviously means you think you are pretty handsome! What a narcissistic, conceited man you are! You can't even see the depth of decay in your own soul. You are so busy criticizing an anointed man of God and hating him and his family that you can't even see the degree of poison this hate has done to you.
So you say you are preaching again on March 11, anonymous. Great. But you didn't tell me WHERE! WHERE, MAN??? I REALLY WANT TO COME. It is only fair that I would get to critique YOUR service like you critiqued MINE. Or is that yet another cowardly thing you do? Afraid to tell me, anonymous? Interesting. Obviously you don't want to hear what I have to say about you -- probably because you are so biased and one-sided and perhaps YOUR church is a cult......there are a lot of those around - and the Faith Church is one of the only churches that is NOT a cult. Pastor David keeps it real. Tells it exactly like it is. And does NOT back up from stepping on the toes of traditional, organized, fake, rule-and-regulation engorged, religious people -- like yourself. And you don't like it one single bit. You can't handle it. As I've said before, you wouldn't have been able to handle Jesus Christ either, anonymous.
And your precious Bayless Conley? You're right - I don't have any comments about him. I haven't really taken the time to check him out -- it's not important to me. If you say he's ligitimate and there are no blogs about him, I'll believe that. Maybe he is. That's very possible. He is not my concern. YOU ARE! YOU are the dangerous, racist, arrogant, self-righteous, hypocritical peson I'm worried about. And you make me physically concerned for my Pastors' welfare. I am hard-copying all these (as I'm sure you are), for safekeeping, and if anything would ever happen in the future to Pastor David or Nicole, I'm sure you know there are records that the police can subpoena to find people who have made threats against others. The degree of hatred you have for my Pastors is dangerous........and worth watching out for.
So anonymous, all that being said, this is my sign-off message to you. It has definitely been interesting. I don't ever remember having a diaIoge with anyone so hate-filled as you. I appreciate your comment about praying for me -- I will do the same for you. However, just pray about this too while you're at it.......it is not your mission from God to "expose" Pastor David or any other preacher. I'm sure the Lord has that all covered and He doesn't need your help or mine. If anyone has the good sense to read and study the infallible Word of God, they shall know the truth -- and the TRUTH will set them free. The TRUTH will guide them in the right direction, to the right church, to the right preachers, and away from the frauds. God Almighty led me to the Faith Church. Only Him. I was not brought there, I am not brainwashed. I am only washed with the Word of God. And it is a privilege to sit under this Pastor - he is the most anointed man it has ever been my blessing to learn from. I hope someday you can allow the Holy Spirit to break through this obvious hatred you have for Pastor David and see your vengeful attitudes for what they are. This hatred and contempt is blocking your blessings, brother, and keeping you from the truth............
I willl not waste any more of my time checking this site and "sparring" with you any more. God has said "that's enough". I will leave you to your own devices and hatred. But, anonymous..........I will pray for you.
Patti - faithchurchstlouis.com

That EVERYONE that preaches this "prosperity" nonsense IS A FRAUD AND A LIAR. And that is the truth of the Word of God.

Let me repharse, I think it is cute that a "member" of the church is taking up for their "Pastor." I use that term loosly. I wouldn't doubt if "Patti" is David or Nicole but I won't waste my time debating.

I looked at the stats for all my posts and lets say people are starting to notice the FRAUD that is DAVID AND NICOLE CRANK.

Thank you "Keahi" for your comments. I wish more people would voice their FACTS about this FRAUD. Your comments were right on. People are NOT looking to God, there looking to this FRAUD of a man, David Crank and his material possessions. PEOPLE WAKE UP. Cranks house, cars, ranches, etc, are not going with him when he leaves this earth. Matter of fact, where Crank is going, I think he would probably want a AC instead of holding on to his car, house, etc....

"Keahi" is right about maritial advice. Why would you go to a man that is DIVORCED? Or a women that is DIVORCED. No wonder Nicoles EX husband beat her. Maybe he can beat the FRAUDNESS out of David too. As brutal as that is, it's TRUE!

These "Pastors" are NOT qualified to give maritial advice. They can't even stay married themselves. It's like Bill Gates going to a bum on the street for financial advice? What? That doesn't make since right? Thats the point. The pastors are supposed to lead a godly life of example and the CRANKS DON'T. Again, THEY ARE FRAUDS...

I agree that RACISTS don't belong in leadership or ANY place in God's kingdom. Last Sunday night, where Crank CRIED the entire night, he brought up three black kids and hugged them to make it look like he is NOT a racist. What a fraud. It makes me so sick and ill because he is fooling a lot of people. Then he mentions how these kids are the "LESS FORNATE." Like all blacks are??? Give it up Crank. Your a FRAUD. Your NOT fooling me...

"Keahi" also hit the nail on the head about Pastorial qualifications. Crank has ZERO formal training. NOT licenced/ordained. He was HANDED a church. David Crank is a fraud. Not even QUALIFIED to lead. Is there any reason why Crank & Osteen are working together?

Back to "Patti," who do I think I am? For starters, I'm a child of the most high God. I was made in his Image. I have Jesus's royal blood on the inside of me. Does that answer your question?

Perfect shape? Thats right. I'm a workout freak. So yes, NO love handles. lol

Today was a long day at work so I needed a laugh and when "Patti" said I am JEALOUS of DAVID CRANK that made my day. For starters, I am JEALOUS of NO ONE. I run my own race. If I see someone with something I want or has more than me, I don't get jealous. I'm happy for them! Why? Because God can bless me in the same way, and more.
Oh by the way, it's the other way around. Crank is jealous of me. David know's who I am, along with Attorney General Chris Koster. "Patti" if you want to know who I am, Go ask Pastor David...

Average looking man? Wow! You keep the jokes coming...

David Crank is a "major man of God?" More jokes. This time the joke is you "Patti." Look at your comments. David Crank is NOTHING. It's about GOD. As I said in previous posts, "Patti" you are brainwashed. You talk about cultish, thats Faith Church St. Louis.

When am I preaching next? March 11. Great messag from the Lord. NOT to pad the pockets of my pastor.

I noticed you didn't have any comments about Bayless Conley? Hmm? Why is that? Because he is legit. Google Conley, ZERO postings of fraud. He is real. Reason why his church is one of the LARGEST in Cali.

It is REALLY SAD for people like "Patti" that believe in a FALSE God, Gospel and Hope. Even more so for "Keahi." It's FRAUDS like Crank and Osteen, that turn people from the gospel. You know what? God will hold them responsible. "Keahi" if you live in the St. Louis area, go check out St. Louis Family Church (Jeff Perry) or Hope Church. Those churches are real and will give you the MEAT you need to live a AWESOME Christian life. Don't let FRAUDS like Crank make you give up on God. Thats the Devils plan. Just like Crank is a racist, I don't hate ALL white people now. No, because I know not all white people are like this heteric known as David Crank. Also, not all preachers, including TV preachers, are FRAUDS like Crank and Osteen. So, "Keahi" I would encourage you to look to God NOT man. Man will fail you. Crank is an EXCELLENT example of that. But God won't. "Keahi" look to God for everything and he will direct you steps.

To "Patti" you need to wake up and smell the roses. I personally love you as a sister, or brother, in Christ, but your thinking is messed up.

My only hope in writing this is to EXPOSE yet ANOTHER preacher and the FRAUD that is DAVID & NICOLE Crank and to save my fellow brothers and Sisters in Christ.

The bible talks about how the TRUTH will be made known. So "Patti" when Crank is EXPOSED for the FRAUD that he is what then? Your messiah would be no more. "Patti" I wouldn't put much stock in man because they FAIL YOU. God won't. Get the picture?


Once again, STAY AWAY FROM FAITH CHURCH ST. LOUIS.

I am personally sick and tired of preachers only can preach on the need for money. Because of preachers like this, I am no longer a Christian and have lost faith in God. I definiltly do not want to serve a God like that! Racists do not have the right to serve in leadership in church. I am a third generation Japanese American and I was offended by his criticisms of the Japanese official in his sermon. From what I understand, this pastor and the church have failed to follow the qualifications for an elder in a church that thebe the husband of one wife. Therefore, no divorced people are supposed to be in leadership. I personally would not go to a divorced pastor for marital advice. The congregants are basically blown away by the preachers materialism than their love for God.

You just don't get it, do you anonymous - you just don't get it. You are still spewing your venom about Faith Church and Pastor David and Nicole and you have absolutely no proof of your accusations. The Attorney General??? PLEASE! By all means, have the Attorney General - Chris Koster - come to church. I certainly don't know the man or anything about him, but as an attorney at least he might come into this without feeling that he has the right or the qualifications to be, as you do, judge, jury and executioner. The question here, anonymous, is just who do you think you are? What do you think qualifies you to judge a man of God like Pastor Crank? If you were half the Christian you say you are, and if you read your Bible as you say you do, then you would know that one of the thngs the Bible is very clear about is that we are not to judge or disparage ANY man of God.............even if WE feel he has done something that WE don't like, WE are not to judge him -- that is for God to do. And there are great consequences for judging these men. If you feel that Pastor David Crank is so terrible, then let it be a comfort to you to know that if that were ever true - and it isn't, of course, except in your mind - then GOD will be the one to "take care of the masses" -- He does not need your help. YOU are not the one human being that God Almighty has appointed to "check out" all the preachers you don't happen to agree with.

OK - let's do this -- AGAIN! Point by point.
First, I am not a "representative" of any "company". I am a "member" of a "church". I expect to get the respect that goes along with that. As do you.

Second, yes, anonymous, you are a coward for not mentioning your name. Why would you think otherwise? If you feel that your "assignment" is so urgent, why wouldn't you have the courage to sign your name - like I did? It just stands to reason. And by the way, who gave you this "assignment" and "investigation" to perform? Was it God? Did He speak to you? Please share with all we readers. You say you are covering your "basis"??? Do you mean "bases"??? What bases? Oh, and then the topper - you say you have done these "investigations" before and have "proven fraud". Oh, anonymous -- you sound like a witch hunter to me. You sound like one of those people who take it upon yourself to go into a church and judge it by your twisted, personal standards -- NOT Biblical standards - and if it doesn't "measure up", well then you crucify it -- just like they did Jesus. This just reinforces what I said in my original rebuttal -- I'll bet if Jesus Christ came to earth again today like he did 2000 years ago and had a ministry just like He did back then, you would be the first one to shout "crucify him" - because He would definitely not fit your mold, anonymous. He would get right in your face and call you on all your judgmental, prideful, legalistic, hateful dialogue and beliefs -- and you would hate Him. Of course you would never admit that and you will argue with me but all someone has to do is read your rantings and they speak for themselves. You say you have walked with Jesus for years? Wouldn't be ashamed to meet Him? Well, from the venom you spit forth, you better rethink that.
Third -- easily tempered? Me? Read your own letter, anonymous. You are farther into the temper thing than I ever thought about being. There is no temper tantrum in my letter -- I only corrected everything you said -- and you didn't like it one little bit. You are childish - you come off like a five-year-old. AND don't put words in my mouth, anonymous. I never used the word "punk". Let's keep it real.

Fourth - you are protecting people from my church? Do you really think people are that stupid that they need the likes of you to do that for them? People are intelligent enough to figure it out for themselves, anonymous - and especially if they love the Lord and let the Holy Spirit guide them. They certainly don't need someone with warped views like you to confuse them. I think God is probably qualified to lead them correctly, don't you? Well, don't you???? Oh - evidently not. One more thing - you are a small, vindictive little man, anonymous, comparing the Faith Church and porn in the same sentence. That only confirms the level of class you posses -- all low. How UN-Christian and shameful of you.

Fifth - Oh - I love this one -- you are in PERFECT SHAPE???? PLEASE! I have GOT to see this! This sounds like you are setting yourself up as the paradigm (again - look it up) standard for what everyone's "body" should look like if you are a Christian??? Oh please -- you cannot be serious. That is the height of pride! Just who do you think you are? You are saying that we who are the "average people" of the world, who have either a bit too much weight or a bit too little weight, are not "worthy" to be a Christian? You are positively dangerous, man! Dangerous! "Pudge" and "love handles"?? How ignorant you are!! What a prideful, ignorant, judgemental, vicious individual you are..........unbelieveable. And you call yourself a Christian. You don't know the meaning of the word! YOU are the one, and others like you, that people reading this need to watch out for. Everyone, THIS man and those like him are the very ones that Jesus came here to warn you about and expose so that you could RUN - not walk - as far away from these types of people as you could get. They are dangerous, cult-ish people. Anyone who sets himself up as the personification of the perfect body, and then tries to deify it by justifying his insult because your body is God's temple and therefore you shouldn't DARE be overweight or underweight, and calls people names like "pudge" and "love handles" -- this guy is extremely dangerous. Hey, anonymous, people with diabetes are almost always overweight - they can't help it - their bodies do not function normally - guess to you that means that they are all going to hell, hmmm? Because they are not "perfect" like you??? You are really pathetic.
Oh - and now you are going to manage Pastor David's time so that he doesn't "have to" pray one last time before he comes out to deliver his message? Yeah, you do that, anonymous - I can tell you are really qualified to do that one! God help us all! Oh, by the way, Pastor David Blunt is a very good friend of Pastor David Crank's -- ask him, anonymous. They get together a lot. Surprised? Of course you are -- because you don't know what you are talking about. You don't bother to research anything you say. You just run your mouth.

Changed lives? YOU BET! Try actually INVESTIGATING your claims. Talk to the people at the Faith Church - just try talking to them and ask them how their lives have changed. They'll tell you. Of course, you're not going to do that - you're too busy trying to railroad Pastor because..........I really believe - wait for it -- I think you are JEALOUS! I really do! Oh yes - it just hit me. If you think you are qualified to critique and judge a major man of God, be judge, jury and executioner, and you feel you are "perfect" because of your body, and you call overweight people names like "pudge" and "love handles", what else could it be? You are probably an average-looking man who always wanted to be above average but never was, and when you see someone with any notoriety that even remotely rubs you the wrong way, you have this sick desire to discredit them. That's got to be it -- you can't possible be as backward as you come off.
And then you say you are a frequent "preacher" at your church? Oh PLEASE tell me where your church is - so that I can come CRITICIZE, JUDGE AND CRITIQUE YOU, anonymous!! Come on - that's only fair. You come and do it to my Pastor, and he is WAAAY too above all that -- but I would just love the opportunity. Come on - where's your church and when are you preaching next? I absolutely cannot wait! I'll even bring some other people so it's not just my opinion. And I'll even make sure they're as close to your "perfection" standards as possible - you know, nobody fat, nobody skinny, all that............tell me.
You're a successful businessman and make over six figures and honor the Lord with your tithes and offerings - and you do this "LEGIT"??? What does that mean? What business are you in, anonymous? Let's see how LEGIT everyone thinks YOUR specialty is. And don't say your business isn't like Pastor David and Nicole's -- I'll bet money you don't even know WHAT their businesses are...........I know you don't. Oh, and congratulations on your "wonderful" marriage -- don't know as I believe you but it really doesn't matter.

And - you think you know Pastor David and Nicole's hearts? You don't have the faintest idea. You couldn't possibly understand Godly people like that. Because you are so far removed from Godliness you may never get there. At least not with the attitude you have now.
And the abortion and homosexuality issues? What? PLEASE don't tell me we need to be TOLERANT of those sins??? If you believe that then I am totally wasting my time even replying to you because you are waaaay too far gone to even talk to. You obviously didn't read my first rebuttal, anonymous..........I said Pastor David preaches that these are SINS but we are to love the sinner and hate the SIN. NOT the person. THAT IS how they will get to heaven, anonymous. They have to understand that.........or don't you agree with that either???

Oh and by the way, the other churches you and I mentioned -- get your facts straight again, please -- I already mentioned David Blunt above, but the Pastor's name at Grace Church is Ron TUCKER -- not Ron TURNER -- and we have known him for years. I know exactly what they preach - I have heard them both speak on numerous occasions. Yes, they are good teachers. No argument there. BUT - they have a different style -- just like I said in my first rebuttal -- which you obviously didn't really read. Not every preacher reaches every person. That's why God gives everyone a different style. DUH! AND - now are you saying that Joel Osteen approached Pastor David just because he gave him money? Ohhh be careful anonymous -- you are toppling one of your own icons! You're wrong, of course. He approached Pastor David before the check - at least THAT check - but our church funds different ministries all the time --that is what churches are supposed to do - HELP each other - that is not the first check ever given to Joel Osteen's ministry - or many other ministries. So stop trying to make something evil out of something good. You try to do that a lot. You know, the Bible talks about evil spirits from satan being sent into the churches to infiltrate them and disrupt them. I think you are one of those people. You have a mean-spirited, critical, self-righteous spirit about you and you seem to take great pleasure in trying to bring down a Pastor who is helping many, many people just because your legalism and tradition doesn't agree with his style. You are a dangerous person, anonymous. And I really hope you have the guts to let us know where and when you are preaching next.........because I will oh so for sure be there - I can't WAIT to hear the massacre of the Word of God as I'm sure only YOU - and those like you - can deliver. Again, I SIGN MY NAME --- PATTI from faithchurchstlouis.com

"Patti-"

It is a pleasure to speak with a "representative" from the company. I will do my best in this post to have correct grammer. LOL.

I'm a coward for not mentioning my name? Well, when my assignment and investigation is over, you will know my name, companies name and the Attorney General's name, Chris Koster. So, I'm not a "coward" as you say, I'm just covering my basis. Trust me, I have done investigations of many churches and I have PROVEN FRAUD.

I'm not a christian? I have walked with our precious savior for years. So I'm definitley a Christian and if Jesus were to come back today, I can confidently say I wouldn't be ashamed to meet him unlikePastor, DAVID CRANK, would be.

I noticed you must still be a baby in Christ because you are definitley "easily" tempered. The bible clearly outlines that. Your comments of "5 year old," "childish," "punk," etc. was oh so "christian."
Thank you "Patti for proving to everyone that this church is a fraud.

Btw, I am protecting people from this church. Sadley, I have heard people talking about visiting this church and just like I do with young people concerning porn, I tell them the TRUTH about it and to STAY AWAY. Just like porn, FAITH CHURCH ST. LOUIS will mess you up and destroy your life, relationships, etc...

Temples? Is that not biblical? I am in perfect shape because I honor the Lord with my body. I find it funny the people that come rushing in to "healing serivices" when if they could just take care of themselves, eat right, exercise, etc, they wouldn't need to get healed all the time. From the women I saw, they were out of shape. The word "pudge" and "love handles" doesn't even explain it. They can careless about their bodies.

"Preparing his message for the last time?" Why don't he have better time management and prepare before service starts, like Pastor Blunt does at Church on the Rock, and worship with his flock? Don't you think it is strange that the Pastor talks highly of the worship and tells everyone else to attend when he doesn't? It's like the Pastor saying don't watch porn, while the Pastor is renting porn everyday of the week? Basically, CRANK isn't practicing what he preaches...HE IS A FRAUD!

Changed lives? EVERY church "claims" their life has been changed. This church is a cult. David and Nicole clearly have all of you brainwashed. Not me. I can spot a Fake in two seconds.

You said you would like to ask me a few questions? Let me help you. As I said before, I have walked with God for years. I grew up in ministry and still am. I am a frequent preacher at our church and others. I am a successfull businessman. I make over six-figures a year through hard work and honoring the Lord with my tithes and offering. Oh by the way, I make my money LEGIT. NOT through begging for offerings like David & Nicole do. I have been married for quite some time with a two beautiful children, boy and a girl. Never divorced and my business isn't being investigated for FRAUD like Cranks.

Hows my marriage? It is phenomenal. My wife is actively in ministry and by living by the principal "agree to disagree" our marriage has been extremely strong. The Cranks can learn from us. I say that HUMBLY of course. Can't say the same about Crank.

"You don't know their hearts?" Yes, I do! Their hearts is to deceive hopefully MILLIONS of people into false hope, gospel and God while they pad their pockets. "Patti," you might want to heed my warning and leave this church. I'm only looking out for my fellow Brother and Sister's in Christ. And trust me, I am not wrong on this.

Abortion, Homosexuality? OHHHHHHHHH Crank is just the Hell-Fire-Brimstone preacher? Those issues are important. Very important. But that is only half of it. How about preaching on how to get to Heaven? If your "Pastor" himself knows how to get there. How about preaching on if your not saved, you will be thrown into a REAL place called HELL! Oh no, DAVID CRANK won't preach on that. Why? He and Nicole would lose people and money. They would have to say GoodBYE to that beautiful new building and conferance center they brag about and their Television time. People don't want to here about Hell! They want "stories" like how to get rich, how to stay happy...They want Crank's PROSPERITY GOSPEL. Preaching to "itching ears." 'Patti", the bible clearly says this will happen, so if your a "Christian, you would know that. Crank is fulfilling this.

I showed other people this post about you saying the "other" churches I mentioned basically don't preach on Heaven Hell? Let me tell you, Jeff Perry-Stl. Family Church IS changing lives. Pastor Blunt-Church on the Rock is a church of over 4,500 and Ron Turner-Grace Church, is making a major difference in the City of Maryland Heights. Your fake pastor might want to learn from the big dogs on how to effectively shepard a flock.

Your right about Joel Osteen. He approached Crank AFTER he gave him money. I highly doubt Joel Osteen would out of the blue go to Crank. He is a nobody. If he was, he would be on MAJOR television networks during interviews, in magizines and he would have more than what you say, "3000" people.

Racist laughable? David and Nicole HATE blacks. PERIOD!

"Thank God he rose up David Crank?" THATS LAUGHABLE. Let me turn the tables on you and ask, "Are you a christian?" Crank was HANDED a church after daddy died. He didn't even start it. The DEVIL rose him up and God will show what Crank really is...FRAUD.

TBN cheaper? I don't think so. First off, ANYBODY can get on ABC. Trust me, since I deal with media and also have relatives in that field, it is easy to get on their network. As long as you have money, they let you on. TBN, Cable, the largest Christian Network, is NOT cheap. Not even close. They don't except EVERYONE. You have to be a somebody to get on their network. Take a look at their line up...Joel Osteen, BAYLESS CONELY, Joyce Meyer, Jetzen Franklin, Oral Roberts, Billy Graham, Benny Hinn, TD Jakes, Creflo Dollar, Rod Parsley, Teddy Long, on and on I can go. These are "mega" preachers. These are the "real deals." That is a major league, all star roster. Not the minors like ABC and Faith Church St. Louis, led by Heretic David and Nicole Crank.

Perfections? I'm not perfect but I will say I have what I have for a reason. I will give you a few tips....

#1: I need God...PERIOD
#2: I honor God in every area of my life- Finances, marriage, relationships, business, health, etc.
#3: I commit my body to the Lord. I fast often, I mediate on the word, I'm in the word EVERYDAY. I pray in english and in tongues. I give to others. I have PURE motives, GOD uses me to bring others to Christ. I am doing my part in fulfilling the Great Commission, as is my Church...Are you? Are the Cranks? Is Faith Church, NO!

Theres more, but those THREE I just listed is what a pastor should do and I can tell you, CRANK doesn't do NONE of those.

I doubt you have "3000" people but I won't debate you on that. That is another reason this church is a FRAUD. Preachers that focus on how many they have coming is a BIG sign of FRAUD. Let me ask you, how many people have LEFT the church? You don't post those stats do ya? How many people are getting saved every week? Not those who raises their hand. I had a business associate years ago investigate this church and he sat in the back and said for two or three weeks, he saw the same person raise their hand for salvation each week. That is not how you get saved or get to Heaven...All of you are confused and sorry to say, your ALL going to HELL. Call me "judge, jury and executioner" all you want but it's true.

For someone who has been a Chrisitan of 35 years, your having a hard time selling it. Additionally, let me tell you, for the one year you have been at this fake church, you have been feed a false God, gospel and hopes. Your thinking is all messed up.

TO CONCLUDE: I think it's cute that you stick up for this fraud as you are probably in on it. Better yet, this is probably David or Nicole. To everyone that reads this, I hope you don't believe me. Go personally see it for yourself. SEEING IS DEFINITLEY BELEIVING. Then you will post on here and the attorney general to alert them of this fraud known as David Crank.

BTW, I didn't walk off the streets, I have heard fraud about this church from a lot of people and I am doing a investigation and by the looks of things, this investigation won't take long. Oh, did I say three services? I forgot about the BOGUS night service. I will be there with my recorder and pads for my observations...

Who is Bayless Conley? A real preacher. He doesn't pick things out of the bible he likes, he preaches the WHOLE thing. He is on a REAL network as I mentioned earlier, TBN. They just finished THREE new buildings. Check out their website, www.answerbc.org. They are HUGE and they are doing what their slogan says: "Bringing a living Jesus to a Dying World."

Can't say the same for David and Nicole Crank and Faith Church St. Louis.

ANYONE THAT WANTS TO GO TO HEAVEN, STAY AWAY FROM THIS CHURCH! GO TO CHURCH ON THE ROCK IN ST. PETERS..PASTOR BLUNT WILL GREET YOU AND MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE FAMILY. ADDITIONALLY, BLUNT IS NOT A RACIST. HIS CHOIR IS MADE UP OF BLACKS, WHITES, ASIANS, ETC.

STAY AWAY...DON'T SAY SOMEONE DIDN'T WARN YOU!!!

I just finished reading the massacre of my church, Faith Church, by someone who is too cowardly to even sign his name. He signs it "Anonymous". This alone says volumes. Yes, I have a rebuttal -- I have a LOT of rebuttal. This person calls himself a Christian - from his letter, nothing could be further from the truth. The vindictive, mean, evil spirit of this letter is apalling. It is the rantings of a five-year-old who has just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar - or worse. I believe PASTOR David got right in the middle of his obvious obsession with tradition and man-made rules and regulations, from this person's obvious denominational (of some kind) background, and he didn't like it one single bit. Reminds me of exactly what Jesus did - He called out the hypocritical Pharisees of His day - called them a brood of vipers - and they crucified him for it. This guy obviously still would! This person's problem is that on the basis of one single service, he has set himself to be judge, jury and executioner of our PASTOR, David Crank. How Pharisaic (look it up, Anonymous) of him. And how typical. Small-minded and judgemental. This man is hypocritical to the highest degree. On one hand he professes to be a Christian "protecting" the masses, and on the other hand he ridicules our praise and worship team because he says the worship leaders don't "take care of their temple". And this is because, and I quote, "three of the women were out of shape and look like they have a beer belly or "is" (...and by the way, the pleural is "are" for those of us who are educated) pregnant." Last time I checked, looking like a super model was not a requirement to sing on a praise and worship team. Oh - maybe at your church, Anonymous? Well then, whose got the "problem"? And we have FOUR men on the team - not just one. You are obviously only looking at the singer. We have two keyboard players and two guitar players - all men. Or were you too busy looking at our women? And that's another thing - from the myriad of observations you listed in your massacre of my church, was there one single moment while you were there that you were actually WORSHIPPING? I thought not. You couldn't have.

PASTOR David comes in towards the end of praise and worship because he is preparing for his message one final time. Yes, Anonymous, it is true. In your massacre you say - WRONG. Were you watching PASTOR right before he came in? No, I know you weren't because you don't even know what room he prepares in. So there you go again. Judgmental and Pharisaic. And there was no "grand entrance" made. PASTOR David comes in, goes to his seat, and when he feels led to go on stage and begin his message he walks up the stage - as does anyone who goes onstage for anything - and winds up praise and worship and begins the service. Who are you to presume to know how this man of God prepares for his message? You would not study the Word and spend this much time with God in your entire lifetime. How do I know this? By your childish, judgmental, ignorant remarks about PASTOR David Crank, who is a MIGHTY man of God. If you bothered to poll we members of his church, you would find hundreds of testimonies of how God has changed their lives through this PASTOR'S ministry. But, of course, you didn't bother to do that. Evidently you feel you are qualified by one small 90 minute visit on a Tuesday night. Again - so typical.

Your petty, rude, ignorant remarks about PASTOR Nicole are unbelieveably mean-spirited. I would love to ask you a few questions on this but I won't bring myself down to your level. Just suffice to say this is a beautiful woman, not only physically but spiritually. You know absolutely nothing about her or, for that matter, PASTOR David. You do not know their hearts, you do not know their history of their divorces, which you make a big deal about, but again, judge, jury and executioner. Interestingly enough, JESUS CHRIST did not. JESUS CHRIST loves we divorced people. JESUS CHRIST understands all kinds of circumstances, such as abuse, mistreatment, infidelity by the other spouse, all kinds of reasons that all kinds of people get divorces. By the way, how's your marriage, Anonymous? Or - are you even married? If so, she better watch her step because if she stops being "perfect" by your standards, what are you going to do? Stay with her? Or would you - oh my goodness - possibly "divorce" her? What if she commits adultery, becomes a drug addict and/or an alcoholic, neglects or mistreats your children, beats you (yes, women do that, too). What then, Anonymous? And if you're not married now, from what I read, you should really stay that way - do some poor woman a favor.

PASTOR David is one of the few preachers in the world who is NOT afraid to confront issues like abortion and homosexuality, to name a couple, head-on. Guess what - they are a SIN - it says so in the BIBLE! Or do you disagree with God too? And for doing that, he gets flack from people like you, who would rather go to one of the churches you mentioned on a Sunday morning and only hear the pablum-based messages that do not ruffle anyone's feathers, and then everyone's priorities are so screwed up that they vote in a major abortionist advocate and liberalist who is against anything Christian. So you say you are a Christian Anonymous? I don't think so. I think you better go back to square one and get on your face before your God and find out what the word "committment" means. PASTOR David tells us to love the sinner, yes, love the person who has had an abortion, love the homosexual, we would never turn these people away, but God hates those sins. Got a problem with that? If so, read the book. Maybe you missed those passages. I guarantee most churches wouldn't have anything to do with them. But that's not what God wants.
Oh - and remember here in your massacre you said to "correct me if I'm wrong", well that's what I'm doing - you are so VERY wrong on SO MANY LEVELS I can't even count them - PASTOR doesn't tell us to "give him and his wife money", he tells us to give our "tithes and offerings" to the CHURCH. Do you know what "tithes and offerings" are, Anonymous? They are commands of God in the Bible! Sounds like something else you haven't read. Tithes go towards the upkeep of the CHURCH - which includes the PASTOR'S salary, yes - but it is minute - you or anyone else can check on it - it is available as a matter of public record. As well as keeping the lights on, the heat and A/C on, equipment, and all those nasty, pesky, "practical" things that, oh my gosh, churches have to pay for, just like you do, Anonymous! Imagine that! And for your information, PASTOR David and Nicole were financially very well off long before they took over the Faith Church - they don't need big salaries - and they don't take them.
Offerings are what we use to disburse funds to different missionaries, ministries (like Joel Osteen - who, by the way, needs money too, or didn't you think he needed or asked for money at all!!) and others that we know are ligitimate. THAT, Anonymous, is what the money goes for.

And as far as them being RACIST -- that is so laughable I can't even hardly answer it. I challenge you to talk to ANY and I do mean ANY of the African-American people at our church and just see what every single one of them has to say about that. That remark alone tells me you have no idea what you are talking about! And don't EVEN accuse PASTOR David of trying to be "a fake Martin Luther King." Martin Luther King wouldn't be able to do what PASTOR David is doing -- any more than PASTOR David would do what Martin Luther King did. The whole thought is ludicrous (look that up, too).

Oh, on the Joel Osteen/Franklin Graham remarks -- you need to know that PASTOR David was approached by both of these gentlemen - he did not initiate any contact with them. THEY came to HIM - got it? THEY asked HIM to speak. THEY asked HIM to be a part of their events. And as far as what PASTOR David wears compared to Joel Osteen, there's those man-made, meaningless rules and regulations again. Same for Franklin Graham. These are different men with different styles, each reaching a different aspect of society. PASTOR David is not trying to reach the "churched" of this world - obviously you. He is trying to reach out to the "unchurched" - the people nobody wants - the "throwaways" of society, the people who have been told they are worthless, no good, who have made mistakes and think God is angry at them. And it's people like you who reinforce that attitude. Thank God that He rose up PASTOR David Crank or people like you would railroad these people out of town on a rail just like they did in the 1800's. Good thing you are so perfect, Anonymous. You'll have to itemize those perfections for me and tell me how you did it.

As far as talking like a Japanese person, you make it sound like he was making fun of them. Nothing is further from the truth. He was talking with a Japanese-American accent - much like one would imitate an Irish-American, and Italian-American, a British person, an Australian person, or like they imitate OUR accents........does all that offend you, too? If so, you are WAAAAY too easily offended, Anonymous. Get over yourself. There is nothing mean-spirited about my PASTOR. YOU are the one with the problem.

Oh, and one fact you mentioned that I did not realize --- I did not realize that ABC is a "trashy network". Who categorized them as such -- you, Anonymous? I'd love to hear that criteria (another one to look up). Again, FYI, ABC is a MAJOR network -- TBN is cable and privately owned......cheaper. That's not to say it's not a great station -- but the unsaved don't watch it - believe me. PASTOR David is reaching those people who are still up at 2AM contemplating suicide and when his message comes on, lives are saved. But then you obviously wouldn't understand that either.

MY CONCLUSION: You, Anonymous, are a small, judgmental, mean-spirited, vengeful, critical, undereducated (hence your grammar), and hypocrital person. You call yourself a Christian but you are the farthest thing from a Christian I have ever encountered. I feel sorry for you. I will pray for you - someone needs to. For whatever reason you came to my church, God chose to let you have the full frontal effect of the experience of the Holy Spirit's anointing on one of the greatest preachers He has ever risen up. BTW - who in the world is BAYLESS CONLEY? I've never heard of him - and I've been a Christian probably longer than you have been alive. But PASTOR David is known all over the country...........that says volumes. You state that our "new church" - which is not a new church just a second location for the convenience of the people who can't get to Fenton - won't last. Interestingly, we have grown from 300 to three thousand in less than a year -- I GUARANTEE you God would not have let that happen if He was not orchestrating it. And we certainly do not believe in "..you lift your hands and BOOM, you're saved", as you put it. Once again, you obviously have no idea what we believe.

FINAL POINT: This Anonymous person is one of those people who comes into a church cold off the street, judges and condemns on what he sees on the surface, how people dress, whether they are overweight or not, regardless of whether he understands it not, and then sets himself up as judge, jury and executioner for the "rest of you". As someone who has been a Christian for 35 years, and has been attending the Faith Church for a year now at the Northwest Campus (that used to be In Cahoots), I can tell you that not in all those years have I ever sat under a PASTOR - and he is definitely a PASTOR - with such an obvious anointing from God, a PASTOR who, through that anointing, has taken me so much deeper into my walk with my God than I could have ever thought possible, and helped me get a deeper understanding of the Word than I have ever had, and led me through one of the most serious times in my life, the death of my husband. I advise anyone who is looking for either a return to their God, who thinks there is no hope for them, that they have done something "too bad" for God to forgive them, that GOD IS NOT MAD AT YOU. We at the Faith Church will NEVER condemn you. We will call you TO God - not FROM Him. Check it out for yourself. We have people from all walks of life and at all levels of their faith. We are "Inter-denominational", which means we are Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Pentecostal, non-denominational - anything. And we all come together and worship our God together. I GUARANTEE you have never had an experience like the Faith Church experience. And PASTOR DAVID CRANK. This is one of the most geniune, loving, and anointed men of God you will ever hear. It is one of the privileges of my life that God led me to the Faith Church.

Oh - and by the way, Anonymous, you just come on and come to "all THREE SERVICES" on Sunday -- there are four, but if you just want to come to three, that's OK, too. Guess you don't want to put yourself out to come to Northwest? So you're one of those "if it's not in my backyard I don't go" people. In any event, you just come on. Because I go to all the services, too. And trust me, Anonymous, I will be watching for your "observations" as you call them. I call them "massacres". And I will refute you every time with the Word of God. Because you are wrong, wrong, wrong.