• Report: #266655
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  • Submitted: Fri, August 10, 2007
  • Updated: Sun, February 10, 2013

  • Reported By:Hollywood Florida
fullsail.com Winterpark, Florida U.S.A.

Fullsail Fullsail is a ripoff Winterpark Florida

*Consumer Comment: You sound like a real success story.

*Consumer Comment: Employee comments posted about Full Sail University

*Consumer Comment: Fullsail

*Consumer Comment: Current experiance with Full Sail University Recruitment

*General Comment: Full Sail - You Get What You Put In

*Consumer Comment: Full Sail, you mean Full Fail

*UPDATE Employee: Full Sail is Great

*Consumer Suggestion: Well being.

*General Comment: Same ol' song and dance...

*Consumer Comment: Full Sail University is an outstanding school

*Consumer Comment: fullsail, you get out what you put into it.

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If you are thinking about attending Fullsail, Erase that thought completely and look for another art school. I graduated with an Associates of Recording Arts. What did I get from fullsail?? Absolutely nothing. The whole music industry knows about fullsail. Truth is, No industries really like graduates from fullsail.

Each classes are either month or 2 month long. It is designed that way to accept more students each starting month. Schedules are ridiculous. Some... actually lot of classes or labs start at 1am and end at 4am.

Professors are simply retarded. They follow the "Teacher's Manual" to teach things such as, protools, qbase, logic, reason. As we all know, all these softwares are very complicated. To master it, you need lot of extra time with it. Sure you can learn the basic stuff and start using the software, but what about extra stuff that is not in teacher's manual? Teachers there don't know. Their knowledge with the programs lack horribly. Why? Because all those teachers, lab instructors DO NOT have real experience outside the school. Most of the instructors are the ones that stays after graduating from fullsail, paying off their school loans.

All the expensive mixers, computers, gadgets in fullsail, you barely get to get your hands on them. About 7 to 10 people get to share the equipment per lab. I was on the mixer total of 4 hours, during the whole month of that class.

Fullsail accepts too many students every month. All the friends I made in Fullsail couldn't get a real job in the music industry, and now they are struggling to pay off the ridiculous amount of loan.

Please don't fall for those advertising.... "FOLLOW YOUR DREAMS.. " "High End Equipment!" "Get your degree in 1 year!" ...... All those are bullcrap. Get to meet couple of the instructors there, ask them about couple stuff, then you'll find out that they really don't know much.

Kin perk
Hollywood, Florida

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#1 Consumer Comment

You sound like a real success story.

AUTHOR: FireVoid - ()

You graduated from Full Sail, which cost you north of 40k, and you are now a super successful........A/V guy at a hotel???!!!! Wow!!! Great job!

I'm sure you couldnt have gotten the same job by simply learning signal flow at a local city college for a tiny fraction of that cost.
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#2 Consumer Comment

Employee comments posted about Full Sail University

AUTHOR: sixsigma - (United States of America)

Regardless of the numerous complaints I have read online about Full Sail from their former and current students, the prodigious amount of negative comments from their professors and or other employees, speaks volumes to me about what a great decision i made in avoiding Full Sail university.

One employee wrote:

Cons: no admission criteria into an expensive school, lack of management, poor in-office morale. With the recent increase in online student admissions, the advising department has been a bit behind. There is no admission criteria so what you end up with is a large number of students who are trying to live their dream thinking that they will not have to work hard because they have been sold on pipe dreams.

Another wrote:  Diploma mill, diploma mill, diploma mill.  Staff underpaid and overworked.  Attention to students education nil....attention to thier wallets, 100%....

Student Review, an online university research and rating site, awarded Full Sail with an overall grade of C+  http://www.studentsreview.com/FL/FIZZER_c.dimly  If Full Sail was charging tuition consistent with a  C+ education, than maybe a person could live with their nonsense.  

I encourage everyone to not just take my word or others about Full Sail university.  Please take the time to really research Full Sail and compare their ridiculous tuition costs, curriculum and services to other online universities.  I am confident that once you have done so, you will avoid Full Ripoff University like it is a home for the Bubonic plague
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AUTHOR: rhanser2 - (United States of America)

I have to say this school is horrible in many ways, many of the teachers I have had can't spell.  The books are just bits and pieces of other books, that are put together and never spell checked or possibly even read by the teachers.  The teachers hardly ever respond, the advisors pass the buck, it is crazy.  Yes you can get an education, but it is not because of the teachers, it is because you have to do it on your own.  The teachers deserve no reward for your hard work.  This school is just a big publicity gimmick, if I'm to be successful I did it because I worked hard, not because my illiterate under educated teacher had any part.  I do not hate this school, I do love this school, but it needs to be fixed.  
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#4 Consumer Comment

Current experiance with Full Sail University Recruitment

AUTHOR: sixsigma@earthlink.net - (United States of America)

I am currently in contact with a recruiter from Full Sail University.  One of the things that attracted me to FSU is that the statistics I was able to find on the internet about their student graduation and retention rates were significantly higher than some of the other Universities I have researched and or talked with.  I seriously doubt if the statistics I obtained by online research are accurate as I have repeatedly discovered in many instances that government statistics and what can be discovered on the internet are often incorrect either by design or my incompetency.  That said, having a pessimist attitude does not usually reap big rewards, so taking the statistics numbers at face value, I was nevertheless encouraged to contact Full Sail University.

I cannot say that my initial experience in talking with Full Sail was any different than the conversations I have engaged in with several other universities that offer online education.  If I was to sum up said conversations in a couple of words, I would call said conversations a "sales pitch."  I would not accuse the recruiter I spoke with dishonesty but it was highly evident in our conversations that she was only concerned with how much money Full Sail could extract from my wallet and my projected / estimated Stafford loans. 

For a reader of this review to fully understand my experience with Full Sail University, it is necessary for me to promulgate a comparison of my experience with Full Sail with buying an automobile, as I was an automobile dealer for many years.  Full Sail's recruiting department operates typically like an automobile dealerships sales department. First, they start out by using first rate advertising through their website, both audio and visual.  Very similar to walking in to the showroom of an automobile dealership where you will experience the finest automobiles the dealership offers, shined up like a brand new minted penny.  Similar to arriving at an automobile dealership to look at automobiles, a salesman (recruiter) provides you with all the positives about purchasing their education.  One of the first things my recruiter (salesman) mentioned to me is that I would be recieving a brand new state of the art Mac Airbook laptop with the software I would need for my classes prior to starting school and that the cost of said laptop and software would be deeply discounted (as advertised on their website) and would be covered by my federal student loans. 

Once the recruiter felt that I was hooked by her dangling an expensive laptop in front of me and boasting about numerous famous graduates working in the film and music industries, she immediately referred me to their financing department.  If you have ever bought an automobile from a dealership, please remember how you felt when you finished test driving a brand new automobile you really wanted and the salesman sat you down at his or her desk to obtain your credit information.  Full Sail's recruitment department utilizes the same methods to get you in to the financing department.  Once the sales pitch has been made, then you get down to heart of the deal, can you afford your new car / education or not? 

Once your FASFA information is obtained by Full Sail's financial aid department and a credit report is obtained about your credit worthiness, Full Sail's financial aid department decides rather you are what is called a buyer / student or what is referred to in the automobile sales industry as a "dream deal."  Full Sail's financial aid deparment used the exact same procedures on me that my previous automobile dealership used on anyone that my finance people knew they could not obtain full funding for the vehicle they were attempting to buy. To fully explain what I am trying to convey, in a scenario where my dealership was attempting to sell someone with excellent credit an automobile, my sales department would initially attempt to "full retail" the customer, extracting every penny we could from the customer from the front end (profit made by actual sales price versus what I paid for the car) and back end (profit made from financing, extended warranties, insurances, maintenance agreements, etc.) of the proposed deals.  If a customer did not commit to the proposed deal, my salesman and finance people would continue to offer discounts (sales price, financing rates, costs of extended warranties, etc.) until the customer and my dealership came to an agreement. In instances where the customer had horrible credit, my sales and or finance people would tell the customer that they needed a huge down payment and would not negotiate on the price.  Further communication with the customer would only be initiated when the salesman had nothing better to do than to seek any hope for a sale to someone, regardless of how unlikely the deal would be made.

After Full Sail University obtained my FASFA and credit information, Full Sail sent me a financing estimate indicating tuition costs offset by Stafford loans, leaving me with a $15,000 bill to be paid up front prior to enrollment.  All communications ceased by my recruiters (salesman).  When I emailed one of my recruiters to find out why he had not called me(called admissions advisors) he wrote me back and informed me that he had passed me on to another admissions advisor and financial aid department.  This is very similar to an automobile dealerships salesman passing on a customer to what is referred to as "special finance."  Simply, putting a customer in to a group of people who deal with dream deals. 

In conclusion, I have used the comparison of enrollment at Full Sail University and purchasing an automobile to hopefully help someone to understand Full Sail's business practices more clearly.  Full Sail University is a business. No matter what claims their salesman make, at the end of the day Full Sail's main objective is to make money.  Though no one can fault a business with wanting to make money, as a prospective student I want the university I attend to help me in every possible way to succeed in obtaining my education and degree.  From a purely business stand point, if I am paying top dollar to buy a Lamborgini, I don't want to end up with a Ford Escort.  Full Sail University offers substandard education for the same price an IVY league school would charge for their tuition.  In consideration of the fact that their focal point is primary focused of making money, using their deceptively advertised educational standards to justify the prices they demand, Full Sail University is a very bad choice for anyone seeking a first rate education.  If you are seriously considering enrolling at Full Sail University, I highly encourage you to do your research.  There are numerous blogs posted on the internet from current and former students of Full Sail University that will inform you of their negative experiences with Full Sail University. 

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Full Sail - You Get What You Put In

AUTHOR: AriChav - (United States of America)

I have been attending Full Sail for the past 3-4 months, and if it's one thing I'll say, is that you certainly get back what you put in. I am 27, and have been "making beats" for the past 5 or 6 years. Out of those 5 or 6, I've owned The Idiot's Guide to Music Theory for 3, and never understood what was being said. After jumping into Music Theory I, I passed that class with a grade of 93. The courses at Full Sail provide the foundation for learning and give students plenty of resources to further their learning. I never even thought of taking music seriously until jumping into this course, but now that I am, and it's evident on how to become successful in 2012, I intend to associate myself with the proper individuals to make a successful entrepreneurial career. You can't expect to let it happen on it's own, you have to take ownership.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Full Sail, you mean Full Fail

AUTHOR: fullsailreviews.net - (United States of America)

I to was a full sail student and like many other before me and after, I got duped. After a few months in the Web Design & Development program, I quickly became aware that I was simply lining the exec's pockets and not getting the "higher education" that was advertised. If I'm paying near Harvard rate for tuition, I better be getting harvard class results. This is the farthest thing from the truth. Full Sail University is a business as evidenced by it's ownership (T.A. Associates, a private equity firm who invests in PROFITABLE COMPANIES). I ended up dropping but not before Full Sail billed me for thousands of dollars of classes I never took. 

I took to the internet and started researching this sly marketing behemoth and found some amazing info that Full Sail University will never share with prospective students. Check out my website for the real "behind the scenes tour"

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#7 UPDATE Employee

Full Sail is Great

AUTHOR: deanfFS - (United States of America)

What do you expect do with an Associates Degree? That's liking a piece of toilet paper to most companies. People with Associates Degrees make way less and it's more difficult for them to get employed. You know less than student's who have Bachelors Degrees and what was your GPA at graduation? I'm in month 13 and my GPA is 3.5. I work hard, don't cry about the hours, and do my best. It's an accelerated school. You should expect those kind of hours.

Full Sail is a great school and I've learned a lot. I'm going for EBBS and I love every minute of it. I don't know what your problem with the school is. If you were an employer would you hire somebody with an Associates Degree or someone who put more time and effort into school, put up with the hours for nearly two years, achieved a good GPA and a Bachelors Degree? And classes aren't two months long. They're four weeks long which isn't even a month. Don't lead everyone to believe that classes are longer than they are. Also, classes don't run from 1 a.m. to 4 a.m. Classes are scheduled 1-5. So your teacher obviously let you out early. But I'm assuming you didn't care because you're probably like most college students and want to get out of class early and not get your money's worth.

Before you go and post a lot about a school and talk bad about them you might want to consider what employers are actually looking for in an employee. 
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#8 Consumer Suggestion

Well being.

AUTHOR: S.king - (United States of America)

To my understanding, just about any form of success relies mostly on confidence. That can be understood, but not taught. Although it can be shared, that's why the success of any corporation depends soley on the ones they assign as leaders. How fortunate they are to have confident and trustworthy leaders at all the right places... They're like organs of the body. Definately needed but the butt can rot in a corner for all of what some are concerned. Not saying anything's wrong with that but I do conclude this in hopes that you all will comprehend this... If the body as a whole is confident and comitted and clean than the value of that body goes up. But if even your toe (or thumb) is diagnosed as 'unhealthy' then it can seriously cripple the bodies ability to function at its full potential and possibly collapse, and that would be lame. I wish y'all well <--It's better than luck.

Oh and I'm Shane, a potential Recording Arts Student for FS. Been here for 2 weeks now and seen plenty eyes roll when realize my potential. Thank Kanye and em for the head up bout dez haterzzz sleepin on what's real for real son. BeAblessin

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#9 General Comment

Same ol' song and dance...

AUTHOR: Bonez - (United States of America)

I am a student of Full Sail University.  I will not mention my name or major.

It is well known through out the University that the Recording Arts program is a joke.  They have the largest starting classes, the highest drop out rates and the lowest graduation percentages of any program Full Sail has to offer.  The student body of the Recording Arts program is comprised mostly of wanna' be rappers who managed to get approved for a student loan somehow.  They have almost no work ethic, no drive, and no talent.  The beginning classes of Full Sail are designed specifically to weed out unwanted trash.  

Taking a 'one year degree' of anything, anywhere, is the equivalent of having an online degree.  NOT really worth it.

Classes work in sections of 4 hours each.  So your 1am to 4am lecture didn't end at 4am.  It only did for you.

Full Sail is a college.  College is big business.  your right that they will accept to many people each month, they will give anyone a chance.  In my experience, the ones who make it, and make something of themselves from it are the ones who worked the hardest.  The rest of you are just wasted time.  The entertainment industry is tough, it doesn't care about you.  If you spend your time complaining about what you don't have then your not going to make it.

I will finish with this:  The VAST majority of Full Sail bashing comes from failed Recording Arts students, it does not in any way reflect upon the other programs.  I would be willing to bet that the ten best from any program at Full Sail, could go toe to toe with any ten from any school in the world and have comparable work.
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#10 Consumer Comment

Full Sail University is an outstanding school

AUTHOR: Renan - (United States of America)

I attended Full Sail University and graduated with a BS in 2005. Full Sail University is a great private school if you are looking for a entertainment / technology school. As with any other educational institution, Full Sail has a Career Development team. Actually, they have one of the largest career development teams in the country. After finishing Full Sail, you will have all the knowledge and resources to pursuit your career. In todays economy, things will not just fall into place. It takes persistence, determination, and no degree will give you that.

I really think that it is unfair that someone would report Full Sail on Ripoff Report. Full Sail is one of the most sophisticated and cutting-edge schools in the country. Every year Full Sail graduates go off and win awards and reach new milestones. Go to google and type in "Full Sail Graduates" or go to fullsail dot com and check the news section. Many Full Sail graduates go on to do amazing things.

I have worked as a Director of Marketing for a multimillion dollar entertainment company, and currently I am in the pursuit of my Masters degree. Full Sail University has been a fundamental stepping stone in my career, and I can't say enough about it. I advise anyone who is interested to take a closer look by going to their website, and get the opinion of a few Full Sail graduates.
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#11 Consumer Comment

fullsail, you get out what you put into it.

AUTHOR: Chris W. - (U.S.A.)

its people like this individual who make me hesitant to talk about my school.
i was 27 when i was there, everyone else was 18,rich, and wanted to "make beats".

I graduated fullsail with a 93% grade average.

I studied, payed attention and didn't party, I worked on my resume and never gave up looking for a job.
I was hired as an intern with in 2 months of graduation and worked like a dog with no pay. and after 3 months i was hired at a tech/mixer @ 10 an hour.

Iv'e worked for Royal Carribean, 3 recording studios(head engineer at one) and currenty over see A/V for a major hotel.

because i wasn't cocky, i had a positive attitude and networked.

being a "producer" is ultimatly a customer service job.

and if your bitter, cocky, and are so busy trying to be "cool" ...why would anyone hire you!??!!?
everyone is a client and should be treated as such. even if there terrible musicians.

i'm a WORKING engineer in DETROIT, the worst economy in the country!!!!!!!!

i wouldn't hire this person. sounds like a whiner to me.

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