Report: #1013514

Complaint Review: Health Science Institute

  • Submitted: Wed, February 13, 2013
  • Updated: Wed, February 13, 2013
  • Reported By: Yvonne — Beaverton Oregon USA
  • Health Science Institute
    819 North Charles Street...
    Internet
    United States of America

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This company is a scam.  They sell a membership min of one year and in return they give a free book called Miracles of the Valut, anthothlogy of underground cures.    The book is suppose to have many secrets from science lab and studies giving cures for many health issues.   They try to pressure everyone into thinking the government is going to ban these secrets and the book only has very few copies in print.  They say the government does not want these facts to get out because people would be cured of many issues and it would effect the health system as we know it.

This advertisement came in my email.  It is a video that explains all about the book saying it is free and then at the end they want a membership to get the book free. The reports so far state they recieved a book with no information on their issue not the whole book.  Each person reported there was no secrets in the booklet.

I am just adding to this report to let everyone know their latest scam.  The years past they sold the book taking just specific issues out of the book.  Now they are saying the book is free and you get the whole book of secrets. You must buy the membership to get the book.  I am sure it is useless info just like the other reports said.    
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1Employee/Owner

#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Caveat Emptor or Cui Bono, Buyer Beware or Who Benefits, you choose

AUTHOR: John - (United States)

My humble suggestion is if there is any interest in any or all of the topic's, and who isn't  in "Miracles of the Vault"  or what ever it's called. A couple obvious suggestions.

First  and easiest is a simple search on Google on PDFs summary on book title. Some people like, no actually love getting over on theese guys, they do the work to make their usable information available , absent manipulation and getting tons crap from theese guys the rest of your life.

Second and last endure the video, and reavaluate your doctrine on purgatory, then take some notes, be a grown up and do due diligence, a world of information leads to one serendipitous experience after another.

The only thing free in this world is God's grace, and even then,when His kids get involved see comment title.

Grace and Peace

 

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#2 Consumer Comment

Miracles From the Vault

AUTHOR: Alena - (Canada)

1) an arm-twist into an annual membership (militant approach) 
2) old wizards not passing on the wisdom to children unless children surrender to a particular capture scheme (recruitment),
how is that not holding a child (consumer in fear of suffering from torturous illnesses and mistreatment) under coercion? 
3) well crafted, yet lame

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#3 General Comment

Sounds Strangely Specific

AUTHOR: KittyGoFast - (USA)

You know I did cold calling sales for years, and was actually quite good at it. In doing so I gained A keen knack of spotting all the lil tall tells of the trade. I gotta say that you, and everything you have said! Just SCREAM sales call rebuttals 101! You're responces to everything are way to precise educated to the point with an extreme amount of optimism! You speak of said company and booklet as if you are now A cancer survivor because of it? Yet we all already know that's not the case, since you stated that in your previouse comments. I'd bet my last buck your A rep for the company any day of the week. Even the BBB websights company complains can magically vanish for the right amount of $$$! I know I also used to handle Saves & Resolves for the company I worked for after being there for over four years. Other than My boss the GM and the owners of the company. There was no one above me, and there wasn't A position below me that I hadnt worked and even trained others in! So lets leave the reviews to actual costomers or "MEMBERS" not an obviously scripted account rep. Whos probably swimming in his/her own ego training new recruits on deception tactics....... 

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#4 General Comment

Anti Catholic baiting by company

AUTHOR: Katzenvater - (USA)

 This is not a real rebuttal. I wanted to add to the complaint against this firm. I received their email this morning, and they are now using anti-Catholic click-bait to get people to listen to their nonsense. Can someone *please* do something about this?

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#5 General Comment

Do you work for the company?

AUTHOR: cmickler - (USA)

 This "report" sounds like an ad for the company not a valid report by a user of this scam product. I don't have any of their products and wouldn't accept any even if they were truly free, which they patently are not. A scam is a scam no matter who posts a false report otherwise.

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#6 General Comment

Something For Free

AUTHOR: Henry Halper MD DIN DN PHD - (USA)

If anyone thinks that you are going to get something for free then you are living in some fantisy world.  It takes money to make a book with this type of information and I don't know of any company that put out that type of expense and still stay in business.

So yes they are going to ask for support and if you don't think you are getting what you ask for then you are able to ask for your money back and still keep the books. What more could you want !

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#7 Consumer Comment

Free book

AUTHOR: Gina - (USA)

 I wasn't pressured into membership at all. I purchased Secrets of Vault book & extra little booklet came free with purchase. I agree their marketing isn't good, just want to know if recommended remedies are legit.

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#8 Consumer Comment

Miracles of the Vault & Insider's Book of Secrets

AUTHOR: Herbal T - (USA)

I have received Miracles from the Vault and was very pleased with it.  I would rather they just sell the book and forget the newsletters as often they are just ads. 

I have not tried to return one of their books, and have tried to research their latest book Insider's Book of Secrets. but except for the EM-G, I have not found anything.  I think this time they used code words, because they didn't want people figuring out the remedies on their own.  This makes it very easy to call the book a scam, but because of the first book, I do not think this one is a scam.

These people aren't great marketing experts, because they are trying to do the type of "But Wait" things they do selling the latest gadget on T.V.  Medical reports are a different category, and that just makes them look cheap. Their main "hook" is to lure you in with a "free" book, and once they have your physical address and email address, pour an avalanche of ads on you hoping you buy.

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#9 Consumer Comment

Questions

AUTHOR: JDcreakybones - ()

 This not so much a rebuttal as it is an opportunity to ask a few questions about your company. I understand that a company needs to make a profit, in order to continue to be able to bring, it's regular and future customers goods and or services. That's just how things work,unless you're the Fed and when you run out of cash you just print up some more.

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#10 General Comment

then why?

AUTHOR: jaymay - (USA)

if these type of reports are real

then why do they always disappear after a week or so

only governments can remove real websites or the owner removes them

owners remove them so government law organizations can not track the organizations

other organizations have to obtain court orders etc

i went to the web site 2 weeks after the email

it is gone but i recieved a new same email from a different email address

the only time a new email address is used by emails is when they spam addresses every public email service now have send limits to guard against email spamming

 

so to sum up

avoiding legal detection... spamming emails...says to me even if the information is good the company is crooked and to be avoided

find the book etc elsewhere

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#11 Consumer Comment

shill much?

AUTHOR: nobody - (USA)

this book is a perfect example of PT Barnum in action.  THERE IS A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE

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#12 General Comment

"FREE" is ONLY FREE when it is truly Free!

AUTHOR: RANGER RICK - (USA)

Don't tell me that something is "FREE" if you are required to pay for a membership in order to get it.  This is one of many "BAIT-AND-SWITCH" advertising campaigns.  You cannot get the so-called "FREE" book without paying for it.  Therefore, it is a SCAM by definition!

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#13 Consumer Comment

HSI Has Helped Me Regain Health

AUTHOR: Pam - (USA)

I have read the complains about HSI. First of all, the book, Miracles from the Vault, has a LOT of valuable information about natural remedies for various health issues, some of which I have followed and achieved great success with. When they advertise that their book is free--it IS free, but in order to obtain a copy, you have to become a member. This is common practice for many groups who are offering whatever it is they are offering--financial publications, health publications, etc. You become a member AND you get a free book or free booklets containing information of interest to you. HSI is among many organizations that give away free products for becoming a member; it's just good advertising in my opinion. I have gained an enormous amount of knowledge about natural remedies through this organization and I recommend them without reservation.

I also know several doctors who use the information they get from HSI in treating their patients. HSI has a panel of medical doctors and scientists who evaluate supplements on the market and make recommendations of the best of the best for various health problems. The people who have bad-mouthed them are probably not aware of how advertising works and probably not aware of the health benefits achieved by using some of their recommended products. And by the way, MOST of the products they recommend are not their own--they are made by other companies. Often, if you are an HSI member, you will be able to get discounts from the various manufacturers of some of the recommended remedies. I give HSI an A+++ for the information they have put together to help people.

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#14 General Comment

Aggressive Defense

AUTHOR: Scooty's Dad - (USA)

Fairuse,

 

I wonder do you work directly for the company or are you an employee of a PR firm hired to negate any negative posting?

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#15 Consumer Comment

Unjustified Attack

AUTHOR: FairUse999 - (USA)

Why is it assumed that if a former customer defends a company, that person must somehow be secretly affiliated with it, but if  person attacks a company, such as HSI, that person is automatically fair and unbiased? I mentioned very clearly that I have no affiliation, whatsoever, with HSI. I live in the Western part of the US, and HSI is in Maryland. I've never even been to Maryland.

In one of the othe rebuttals HSI clearly identified themselves as being employed by the company, so why would they then post another rebuttal which secretly misidentifies themselves as one of the public. It doesn't make sense. What really matters is that if one actually reads Secrets from the Vault they will see that what I wrote is 100% true- everything is referenced with real scientific articles when available. Those are facts that cannot be disputed or misrepresented. It really is an excellent reference, and from everything I have experienced, a reputable company.

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#16 General Comment

FairUse999 (Really?)

AUTHOR: Scooty's Dad - (USA)

FairUse999's must be their attempt to influence the search engine.

I wonder which PR person wrote this one.

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#17 Consumer Comment

Miracles from the Vault is NO SCAM

AUTHOR: FairUse999 - (USA)

I have a BS in Chemistry from UCLA and this enables me to carefully examine with a scientific eye both mainstream and alternative medicine solutions. I have no affiliation with HSI whatsoever, other than that I was a member for a period of time, and may consider becoming one again in the future. 

 

The bottom line is that I have found Miracles from the Vault to be absolutely excellent. It is one of the few books I have found that thoroughly describes the science behind the vast number of alternative remedies discussed in the book, so that the reader can do further research if needed. The book is well organized, the companies that sell the remedies, as well as the prices for those remedies, are clearly laid out, and and contraindications, if they are known, are clearly mentioned in the book. Best of all, the book references scientific articles that support the claims made in the book, and references them so that the reader can verify them and do further research on them. Just like is found in traditional science.

 

This book is one of my go to references for alternative medicine. In fact, it is my primary reference in this regard. In regards to HSI in general, I have never found anything dishonest in any of my dealing with them. I had the membership for a year, decided to cancel, kept the book, and have had absolutely no problems with any of that. This is a quality company from everything I have experienced, and I highly recommend their services. I hope that helps!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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#18 General Comment

hsi scam

AUTHOR: don.m - ()

One should never take a single source as the gospel truth. However HSI is a good place to start your investagation. Most financial news letters are a lot worse than HSI ever thought of being. You listen to their 45 minutes to to hour presintation vedio to get this free info which turns out you have to buy their expensive news letter. And when investing by their suggestioin the stocks takes a dive and you loose your money. With HSI you get good basic information.

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#19 Consumer Comment

Read miracles from the vault

AUTHOR: Johnson4962 - ()

I signed up and received my copy of miricules from the vault . I found the information to be extremely helpful . 

  1. There is no way I would of found the information or many of the helpful natural supplements mentioned in the book on my own or just by surfing the web . The book was fascinating and informative . In fact I'm going to order two more copies for family members As far as im concerned me book  was worth every penny I paid and more .
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#20 UPDATE Employee

From HSI

AUTHOR: Melissa - ()

 Hi there! I work with the team at the Health Sciences Institute. We did recently run a promotion offering our "Miracles from the Vault" as a free gift with a paid one-year membership. The great thing about an HSI membership is that if you decide to cancel your membership before it expires, we refund the balance in full (and you can still keep the book). We've gotten great feedback about "Miracles from the Vault" and welcome any and all questions or comments about the content. While we cannot provide personalized medical advice, we do take our customer's comments into consideration when planning what goes into the newsletter that comes with a membership. You can visit our website at www.hsionline.com to email our editorial team and offer your input.
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