ITT Technical Institute A.K.A. Intended To Teach fraud, misrepresentation, bait and switch, false promises, victimized many consumers Henderson Nevada

I was raised in Louisiana and have resided in Texas for the last 16 years. I attended college and Vo Tech Education in both states. although I am unfamiliar with the other 48 states educational systems, let me explain something about the difference in public Vo -Tech Education and a private career technical school.
Louisiana is a notoriously poor state, and most work there consists of the blue collar type of employment.

Louisiana has public Vocational and Technical schools there because community college was pretty much non exisitant there until the mid 90's Some examples of this are the following schools I am familiar with. TH HArris Vo Tech, Opelousas, Louisiana and Lafayette Regional Technical, in Lafayette, Louisiana.

Lets say a person is interested in taking something like Medical/Nursing/Pharmacy Assistant, Aircraft Mechanic, NDT, Business Office/Secretarial they pay a small tuition, say 200.00 for a quarter and pay for all their own books, and supplies. Student aid is offered.
All the instructors are definately cerfified.

The schools are run by the state public education system so they know that they cannot charge a person 25,000 to become a Nurse Assistant whose average wages are 9.00 an hour. My ex husband attened the public vo tech school in LAfayette, Louisiana and took Electronics Technology. When all was said and done he had paid approx. total 3,000 in tuition and another 1000 in books and supplies, and places like ITT Tech are charging people 50,000. Its a BIG SCAM! MY ex got an excellent post secondary education and even the opportunity to work for NASA.

I do not know if other states have public vo tech education, however if a person wants to major in Criminal Justice go to either a 2 or 4 year college because if one wants to become a police officer, they will need at least 60 credit hours from either a 2 0r 4 year state college, not a private career school. Now if a person wants to take something like Sound & Recording Engineer they can attend a specialty private career school because most 2 year colleges or public vo tech schools will not offer this. But even with that said, still investigate the school and do your homework and stay on top of things and then you won't get a big SCAM!!

If people would just investigate their state's employment web pages, average wages are stated for various careers and those wages are not some uninformed sales recruiter making a bogus sales pitch saying someone can earn 15.00 an hour as a nurse assistant.

I have attended community college (Texas) 4 year college (Louisiana) and a for profit career school on line, however those studies were more about personal enrichment and additional knowledgement more than transferring credit courses.

When I transferred my college credit from Louisiana I had 25 credit hours, Texas only accepted 15 and I had to take a CLEP test to test out of the rest of my English courses. If every future student in the US would accept this advice, they would all be much better off and for profit careeer schools with heavy handed sales tactics would be curbed down to very specialty schools and education for more comman careers would shift exclusively to community colleges and public vo tech schools if offered in their state.

I know that there is a good and a bad to everything, but lets get real here. For all of you that are praising ITT, read my personal experience and then tell me what you think....

I decided to pursue my degree in Criminal Justice. Being that I am 33 and have a full-time job, I decided to look at an online program. I visited the local ITT TECH campus in St. Rose, Lousiana to get started. I started classes in December 2006. The first quarter went well, with no issues and my GPA was just shy of 4.0. On to the second quarter....and everything changed. I was completely unable to access any of my class work online after the first week due to an unsolved technical issue. So, I emailed my 2 instructors to inform them of my technical problem. I then emailed technical support, and received a phone call from 'Andre'. He proceeded to run through the various settings on my computer to see if anything was changed, and nothing was. This is the same computer that I accessed every class with the whole time, with no changes to it during this time. But I still kept getting the same error message when trying to log into class.

I sent a screen shot of that error message to Andre, because he had never seen it before based on my description over the phone. Once he ran out of ideas, he promised me that he was going to send my file up to the next level help desk and I would be hearing from them within a day. Well, that call never came. That was seven weeks ago. I have sent repeated emails to my instructors, to the academic support office, and also to technical support. So far, the only person that has seemed even remotely interested in helping me is one of the instructors. She contacted the dean of students at least three times. Each time, she reported back to me that the dean would handle everything from there.

Ok, so academic services calls me this past week, for the fourth time since this all began. Do I finally get someone who's willing to help me?? NO--I get a guy telling me that I am in violation of the school's attendance policy because I havent logged into my classes! This is the same exact thing that the academic support office has done each of the four times they have called me. Not once did anyone from that office even mention my problem--I found out that the reason is because no notes were placed in my permanent file about it! Despite my numerous emails, my numerous phone calls to various people at ITT, and despite their numerous calls to me, no one has any idea that I am having this problem?!?

I saw no other alternative but to withdraw from the program entirely. This was done within the last two days. Up until that point, I was still 100% unable to access any of my classes. This was a total waste of my time, let alone money--now I am expected to repay student loans that:

1--are completely worthless because the credits I did earn are non-transferrable.
2--are completely worthless because I cannot complete a degree program if I am not allowed to access the friggin classes.
3--ate up a portion of the funding I am allowed per year, so that I cannot enroll in another school until next year unless I pay out of pocket.

I have seen numerous entries on this website from people who like ITT. I am sincerely glad for you. But please--while I appreciate any feedback, do not come here and post a rebuttal just to discredit what I have experienced, or to discredit me.

One final note--I called the recruiter yesterday, from the local campus. I made her aware of my decision and the events that made it my only option. She was absolutely angry--she asked me if I would let her pass my story to her boss, one of the directors. I agreed. She promised that either she or that director was going to want to speak to me and that they would be calling me back in just a couple hours. That was yesterday. No call came. No call came today either. Why am I not surprised??

Bottom line, do not under any circumstances trust this school or its online program. This was a waste of time and money for me, it doesnt have to be for you. I encourage anyone else who has had similar issues to contact me about any legal proceedings. This was nothing more than complete negligence on their part, and that cost me.

NOW, the most recent update came this evening. I was contacted by a guy named Richard. Richard was handed some basic notes about my situation, and he wanted to fill in the blanks. This is all he had for notes:

1--there was not one single note in my file about the initial tech support call I made, nor was there any mention of the need to forward my file to tier two helpdesk. Andre, the tech support guy, never bothered to tell ANYONE at ITT about my initial call even though he plainly knew that it was unresolved.

2--Andre also lied about making attempts to contact me. Made notes in the system after I started getting more people involved and asking questions, but still could not be bothered to get my file to tier two. But he DID claim to have called me numerous times and said all he did was leave messages---he forgot to note in my file the conversation we had when I asked him in the beginning of April why he didnt send me to the next level of support.

3--Academic support, despite being told by me personally no less than four times, noted in my file that I was being dropped from classes because I refused to attend them in accordance with the school's attendance policy.

Thats pretty much it. A couple notes from one of my instructors, where she corroborates my notes about how I kept contacting the various people at the school. In the end, they dropped the ball so badly that the advice you people give now is laughable. EVERYONE WHO SUPPORTS ITT, PLEASE TELL ME--how do you "make the best of your education" when the school doesnt even allow you to attend classes while they keep on taking your money??

I am positive that some people went to ITT and used it for the better. But there is no excuse for what I have experienced. This guy richard spent most of the 40 minute conversation apologizing to me--AND THEN, he had the gall to ask me no less than FIVE TIMES if I would reconsider and come back to ITT!!!! It didnt matter how many times I said "it isnt a possibility, not an option, I cannot spend that kind of money on a school that ignores my most basic needs as a student, etc etc etc", he kept asking. Sure, he's got a job to do, but there is a time and place for everything--and this was HARDLY the time for recruiting tactics. They just screwed a student out of $7500 and screwed him over so he cannot attend school elsewhere until next friggin year....and the way he pushed me to come back was flat out disgusting.

NOW, Still think that your beloved ITT is "what you make of it"???

If you have got the ball rolling with your lawsuit, how will the rest of us who have been deceived, ripped off and ridiculed by ITT get to express our attitudes towards those scam artist. With all the money i paid there i could have graduated with an MBA. I think ITT could probably make amends by getting the right credentials that will allow universities and colleges to accept credit for classes taken, or maybe allowing the students to sell their books to others like on regular college campuses. They could take the initiative to start a used book program, at least that will allow students to offset their ridiculous tuition and life altering debt. Instead of having UPS come in for a job fair,why not solicit small tech business,heck even corporations to come in and recruit eager and talented people. I said all that to say this. I hope your diligence in exposing ITT will be beneficial to all who have suffered and still suffer.

I would like to get involved in the suit. After reading all of these complaints I find that I'm not by myself. I have experienced many of the same situations and promisses made to other students by ITT. I'm reminded every month I make a student loan payment of how I was HAD BY ITT Tech. It makes me angry every time I think about it./

Please Help
trevor

I would like to get involved in the suit. After reading all of these complaints I find that I'm not by myself. I have experienced many of the same situations and promisses made to other students by ITT. I'm reminded every month I make a student loan payment of how I was HAD BY ITT Tech. It makes me angry every time I think about it./

Please Help
trevor

I would like to get involved in the suit. After reading all of these complaints I find that I'm not by myself. I have experienced many of the same situations and promisses made to other students by ITT. I'm reminded every month I make a student loan payment of how I was HAD BY ITT Tech. It makes me angry every time I think about it./

Please Help
trevor

That's right, fraud is a crime and the "victimization" that you refer to is offensive to me. We spent thousands for a poor education and no placement as promised. That is why we are suing ITT. The lawsuit is strikingly similar to the one from 1997 in California. In that case, the defendant's were awarded 1.3 million dollars each.

Criminals must be held accountable. When they are not, the same scenerio is repeated by others as well as the same ones that commited the original crime. Setting a precedent such as this is very dangerous.

The Feds are still investigating ITT and we are pursuing our lawsuit.

Monetary damages will help us recover, but will never compensate us for the loss of time,loss of money, destroyed credit, and deceit that we all experienced.

I would like to start out by telling you that I am a graduate from ITT Tec., with an A.S Degree from that, vocational, school. I am writing just to inform; to any who would listen. My perspective on ITT Tec. Its what ever you make out of it. Of my own experience and being bitter for many, many, years. I too had the same experience from the complaints listed about ITT Tec. At some point one gets tiered of complaining. When your Victimization story becomes boring, that's when the learning begins.
I suggest to any one who finds them angry, frustrated about the results of attending ITT is make the most out of it.

Its taken me along time to get back on my feet, 10 years (1997-07). However, I am almost ready to transfer to a California State University, and ready to begging over again. Please for give any miss spellings or grammar mistakes. Wish you the best.

"Learn like you would live forever, live like you would die tomorrow"

I am just about to finish my second Associates degree with ITT. The first one was in their electronics couse and I completed it in the spring of 1990. At that time the course structure was much different. It was 4 hours a day, 5 days a week, and it was ALL electronics. The other credits we were getting were pretty much blown off by the instuctors, as they were all electronics instuctors. I still have the textbooks I recieved sitting on my book shelf. That degree helped me get several jobs including my current one.

I reenrolled to obtain a degree in the Software Applications Programming course in the fall of 2002. Now the structure has changed and they have specialized general education courses, and you go 4 or 5 hours a day for 3 days a week. This alone cuts down on the amount of technical training you recieve. At first it was not so bad, but when I reached the 4th quarter it went downhill. They decided to switch all of the text books over to one that come from a publishing company in India, NIIT. The quality of these books is terrible.

Several of the instructors I have had were ready to throw them out the window. Now I'm not talking about just Joe Blow instructor. My calculus instructor had a PhD in mathematics from the University of Texas and was a retired professor from that same college. He thought the book was garbage. My Java instructor taught there at night, but during the day he was a Java developer for none other than Sun Microsystems. He did not approve of the books either. My C++ instructor was a veteran C++ programmer working for the state and teaching at night. Let me say that the C++ books were perhaps the worst ones of all. Neither the class or the instructor cared to spend entire lab classes debugging code from the the book just to get it to compile.

Unlike my electronics books, these are not going to stay on my bookshelves. In 1990, I paid about 16k for my degree. In 2004, I'm going to have to pay 34k. I feel like I have paid twice as much money for less than half of the education. I now tell every one I meet that is thinking of going to ITT to spend their time and money elsewhere.

The one good thing that came out of me going back to school there is the efforts of one extrodinary career placement lady. Sadly, she moved on and is no longer there. She was the one who got me my current job, which brings me to another point about the quality of the education.

To even get an interview for the position, one has to pass an electronics test. I tested with several others that had recently, or soon to be, graduated. I was the only one to pass. Now, I went in there cold. No prep, no studying, and I had not used a J-K flip-flop in over 10 years (Yes, that was on the test and I got it right) yet, I was able to pass the test. The man who tested me became my supervisor and he asked me what was going on at the school. He has always hired from ITT as he himself was an alumni. He sadly shook his head when I told him how things had changed and is considering other resources to hire from.

I realize that an A.A.S degree is not nearly as good as a B.S., and it many areas like Austin, TX, an A.A.S. will not get you far. An A.A.S. from ITT used to mean that you had a good grasp of technical subjects, and if you did not know it, you had a foundation to which to build on. Now, I don't see that ITT degree carrying the same kind of weight. ITT has become more of a "buy a degree" program. You pay for the paper, not for the education, and that paper is becoming more worthless by the day as employers realize the quality of the graduates has dropped.

Have a semi customer here in the store who is mentally challenged(Forrest Gump). Now before I catch all kinds of flack for this, I try my best to help him out. Have gotten him out of several scams and binds, calling the AG of Tx to report some of them, that would have cost him a ton of money. He really didn't understand what was going on, so I stepped in and helped him out. Now, this young man is ok but has some difficulty holding down jobs. He left Goodwill because of the other clients and the "stress" involved working there. I had him clean up around my place until he poured ammonia and bleach in the toilet at the same time. I couldn't afford the liability. Didn't want a HAZ/MAT incident. Now to the interesting part. He comes in several weeks ago, to tell me he has enrolled at you guessed it, ITT Technical Institue for a degree in computer programing. He starts asking about college rings and so on, for graduation. Didn't say a word. Comes in last week saying he is having problems with the algebra. I've seen him have problems with basic adding and subtraction. Don't know what to say other than I'll bet he has a gov. loan to cover his tuition. He did say he was meeting with a tutor. So who knows. They signed him up. I wish him the best.

This seem like the education I recived at the ITT campus in West Convina Campus, Was a push over. The sales REPS, where like car sale reps. Instead of them saling cars, they where saling education. This is what happened to me! I was attending CAL Poly Pomona, at the time.

This ITT campus was advertising there Degree, how fast you can earn it, less than 4 years.

This got me interested, the programs seem the same as CAL Poly was offering, but you spend less time in school. The sale rep pith make sound like dream come true.

I enrolled on the FAll trimster 1993-1995. I spent two years. I was enrolled in Call Poly, but I reduced my class size to 2 class per term.

So, I graduated from the ITT West Covina Campus, recied an ELC BS degree, and could not find dream job. I coudn'find work eve10 bucks at department store! Th I couldn't even use this worthless degree, lak pf learning tech experience.
--------------------------------------

So, I wasted about 15 thousand dollars there. Of course, I transfered most the requied units over from CAL Poly. ITT charges 200 dollars a unit. I am very lucky I was still enrolled into CAL Poly at the time. After completed ITT with A's and B CPA. I continued my goal at CAL Poly, completed my BS in ECE, with a B's a GPA on Class 1998.

I got a JOb Huges Aircraft in Conaga Park campus. BOY! I would never gotten there, with my worthless degree at ITT. This took lot, out of me, Because, I was going full time at ITT, and had to go 2 class at CAL Poly, in order atain my status there, without re-filling addmisions application.

SO, I ended up, getting personal loan to get monthly payments low enough. I worked at CAL Poly book store and made 10 bucxs a hour. This job saved me from going under. FAter graduation Class 1998, at CAL Poly, I went to work at The Huges Aircraft Campus for 4 years, finally paid off that debt from ITT.
--------------------------------
to be continued! I think ITT is a JOKE! I feel sorry about Alan, Las Vegas

After reading several reports on this web site, I am truly amazed at what I am seeing. After almost 4 years with the school in question, I am wondering how, with all the trouble that these students are having, that one of my students, at 20 years old with an Associate degree in Networking, was able to acquire a position with the school district from his home town, making 60k a year......

this student worked more then full time while in school, he didn't go the route that some of his friends did (the easy way out) and now he has a very promising career that puts most of us to shame. What I have found over the years to be true no matter where you go, is that you get out of it what you put into it.

In my garden, I spent hours properly preparing the soil, adding the right ferilizer and spreading mulch. I researched what plants needed full sun versus partial and planted accordingly. I also researched what plants were more likely to succeed in my particular climate. I then made sure to water properly, look out for bugs and other critters that might harm my garden.

I water as needed and look at for my plants. Will every one of them grow and produce perfect fruit? Will I have a full harvest this summer? That is what I am hoping for, but, unless I live in Fantasyland, not reality. In the world of education, it is the same.

There will always be those students that did not put the effort into it and want to blame someone else for their shortcomings. It may be because mommy and daddy sheltered them all thier lives and never taught them responsiblity. It may be that they want to wake up one morning, check thier email and see that they have the perfect job waiting for them with out any effort put into it.

Do you all REALLY think that you don't have any responsibility in your life? Is it everyone elses fault but yours? Look deep-take responsibilty for your own actions. Look to see if you could have done more.

My comment is for the person that originally replied to this complaint. After reading the newspaper and watching the news. How strong do you feel about your comment? I'm a fellow graduate with Alan, and really have not had any better luck. Although I am working in the field, ITT has in no way done what they claimed they would. Oh yeah, and I also graduated with a 3.6 gpa. My girlfriend also went to ITT and graduated with a 3.9 gpa. She is now back in school earning her PharmD degree. So what's that telling you.

Probes involve records subpoenas; shares of schools' parent plunge

By MARK JEWELL
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

A postal inspector questions a staff member Wednesday at ITT Technical Institute's Indianapolis campus. Authorities barred students, staff and faculty from entering about 10 ITT campuses.

INDIANAPOLIS -- Federal agents on Wednesday searched the headquarters of ITT Technical Institutes and some campuses of its chain of technical schools in eight states.

Shares of its parent company, ITT Educational Services, plunged 32.93 percent.

ITT Educational Services said the investigation involved grand jury subpoenas of records concerning student placement, retention, graduation, attendance, recruitment, grades, graduates' salaries and transfers of students' credits to other colleges.

Law enforcement officers did not allow students, staff and faculty to enter about 10 of ITT's 77 campuses in 30 states, ITT spokeswoman Nancy Brown said. ITT's Henderson campus at 168 N. Gibson Road was closed Wednesday because of the investigation.

Classes elsewhere were unaffected, and ITT hoped to resume all classes today, she said.

"They've given us no idea specifically what they're looking for," said Brown, who was shut out of her offices in the 150-employee headquarters in Carmel. "They told us they believed we'd be back in our offices tomorrow (Thursday). It's difficult, because no assurances have been given."

Tim Breen, an education specialist with the Nevada Commission on Postsecondary Education, said for the most recent reporting period, the school's enrollment between July 2002 and June 2003 is near 330.

No one answered telephones at the Henderson campus Wednesday afternoon and a voice-mail message at the company's Indianapolis-area headquarters told callers that their executive offices were closed.

About 68 percent of the company's 2003 revenue of nearly $523 million came indirectly from federal education aid programs, according to a company regulatory filing. And most ITT students pay a substantial portion of their tuition and other expenses with money received under federal programs.

Brown said she didn't know whether the federal aid was the focus of the probe.

Rene Champagne, the Indianapolis-based company's chairman and chief executive, said in a statement that the company was cooperating with investigators.

"We have not been informed of any specific allegations or charges at this time," he said.

The U.S. Attorney's Office in Houston, which was leading the investigation, issued a statement by U.S. Attorney Michael Shelby saying "no conclusions should be drawn from today's activity."

Shelby said law enforcement officers were investigating at ITT's headquarters and at campuses in Indiana, Texas, Virginia, Florida, Louisiana, Nevada, California and Oregon.

The parent company's shares, traded on the New York Stock Exchange, fell $18.90 to close at $38.50.

Review-Journal writer Erik C. Huey contributed to this report.

Thank you, Alicia. I am doing very well. I am currently working part-time in my field of study (Network Administration), I VOLUNTEER once a week for a local non-profit & was recently contacted by an agency regarding project lead positions (short-term assignments). I am currently working on my MCSE, and will have completed it by the time I graduate from the Associates degree program. I am also involved in a security exercise being run by the IT program chair at my school to gain knowledge in that area. In addition to that, I have my own LAN at home.

To be more concise, I appreciate your well-wishes, and wish you the same.

IT is not a field to get into if you expect someone to give you everything.

I would just like to make a response to the latest comment from Alicia and add a few to Alan's original complaint.
===========================================
--No college can guarantee a job nearby. Just because the sales rep did not warn you that you may have to move to find your dream job doesn't make it outrageous to try to make a "sell".

--No college can guarantee a job (period!). They promise to have a Placement department, they promise to sponsor job fairs, they promise to help you make an excellent resume and cover letters, they promise to be available (most do) to do mock interviews to help you prepare. They do NOT guarantee a job at $XX,000 dollars per year.

--Even Alan admits that he was told that he "would be competent to obtain employment in an IT field, up to $75,000 dollars a year" - read your own comments, Alan. Nobody said that EVERY graduate would definitely make that much money!

The few ITT'ers, like Jeffrey, who invest in their own education outside the classroom, will eventually be making that kind of money within 5 years. I know, because I am in the field, I recently spent $50,000 on a Masters in IT and am still a computer teacher because jobs are not there for junior programmers.DO I BLAME MY COLLEGE (AIU) If you truly want to be in the field, then there is ALWAYS a way.

It just sounds like Alan is not prepared to (1) study on his own and get certifications and (2) volunteer his services (at local churches, elementary schools, etc) to get experience and (3) bite the bullet and owe some money in order to "invest in himself" to gain knowledge he didn't have before. Even state schools are running 10-15,000 dollars per year ...

One comment in support of educators, we are always learning ourselves. Yes, it may be the first time we have taught that subject, yes, you may know 25% more than me on a particular skill or concept. That does NOT mean I am incompetent, it does not mean I am stupid, nor does it mean that I could answer a question accurately ourside my field(I am a programmer).

In addition, just because the NIIT books have a plethora of errors, it does not mean that I, as an ITT instructor cannot fix the errors, hand out a paper with the errata (error corrections), or turn the book into a workable solution. In fact, I have for numerous programming courses.

Last comment: EVERY COLLEGE OCCASIONALLY HIRES PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE TOPIC BUT CANNOT TEACH IT AND VICE VERSA. As unhappy as you may be, you are sometimes a guinea pig for a new teacher. Either they are let go or they get better. It's as simple as that!

Jeffrey,
For someone who has nothing to say you sure are long winded. Although the ITT where you live may be different and hopefully with better teachers...other ITT schools are not as good. I graduated in 1999 at ITT in Bothell, WA. It is not a school where it is hard to keep up..it's easy and they do lie about the job market. Sure I could go get a job 3 hours away and make a descent income..but they do not tell you this when you are forking over $25,000.00 ..So good luck to you and good luck finding a job!

I wonder what other factors contribute to your inability to obtain ganeful employement. Surely your writing is more profesional in business corespondence. I wonder how many people would hie you if you spelled their name wrong, especially when it is right in front of you. I realize that you are depressed about your lack of recent success with your new career, but mispelling my name is just juvenile.

I graduated with mostly As and Bs yet I felt ignorant and incompetent.

Im not putting words in your mouth; Im reflecting yours back to you. You whine, and cry, but none of this is your fault, is that what you would have us believe, Alan? You wer in school, full time, for two years straight, but you refuse to acecpt responsibility for your education. You remind me of certain former classmates. They had to be spoon-fed their education and when the instructor would not accommodate them, they failed. How ironic, that you wish you had quit, rather then achieve something that is not easy to do. You also remind me of a current classmate. She is the top of my class, when the only criteria is GPA, but aks her a question, and see how utterly incompetent she is.

If one needs to get certifications, then why should one need to attend ITT? They said nothing about that when I enrolled.

They didnt tell me either. I learned what was expected during my period of research. I didnt listen to some corny advertisement screaming about the six-figure jobs that are waiting at the end of the rainbow. I saught out people in the field. I spoke with people from entry level up to business owners about the expectations, and the level of commitment required to succeed in this fied. I still have regular dicsussions with Network Administrators, Help Desk Techs, Field Techs, Custom Builders, Consultants, etc. etc. etc. I know the path will not always be easy, but if I WORK HARDER THEN EVERYONE AROUND ME, Ill be exactly where I want to be.

Im not waiting on Career Services to find me a job, or volunteer opportunities, or anything else for that matter, but they have been very helpful to me in my quest to prepare myself for life after ITT. I do not hold my Marketing Representative responsible for how well I know the material I covered in class, nor is that logical I do not hold my Rep responsible for weather or not I am gainfully employed It is not the responsobility of ITT to make sure I know what is required of me, it is up to me.

"I graduated with A's & B's."

My cumulative GPA is 3.5. My level of understanding is well beyond any GPA measurement.

"there will be more complaints soon"

It is never hard to find a whiner willing to complain & blame someone else.

"Stay tuned"

I am done. I have tryed to have a rational discussion with you, to no avail. You seem content to point the finger, and shift blame, so to continue this conversation would be pointless.

"You are in the minority and are protecting what you stepped into and are rationalizing. That is easier rather than to face reality"

The reality of the current ITT market is very harsh, which is why you need some certifications, some type of degree (in my case, working toward one, with the ability to discuss in detail, and perform what has already been covered), AND some industry experience. If you were not aware of this, maybe it is because you were too busy laughing at all the computer illiterate people when you picked up one little piece of data that was not common knowledge. Or maybe you spent too much time dreaming of sitting on your *ss, telling poens what to do, after all, you went to school to be a Sys Admin, not some hard-worker that has to get his hands dirt It would appear that you failed to see reality, and now you rationalize your own shortcomings.

"In simple terms, if you tell a potential student that they will be competent to obtain employment in a field, that they will be worth pay of $75,000 a year, sell them a program for $30,000 based upon that premice, knowing that they will have trouble getting $10.00 an hour, their is a major scam going on. That is what the majority of ITT grads face"

I want to kill this, and I will be concise. Five years ago, these numbers were very realistic, and very common. That is no longer the case, but around the time you were recruited these numbers were still very valid. The potential to make $75K+ is still there, you just have to WORK HARDER. Knowing the material is still required, though, so Im guessing that knocks you right ou I felt ignorant and incompetent

"I am with the majority"

You sit around whining, and complaining, and you claim to be with the majority. Let me ask you one question: When you were a successful Sales Representative yourself, did you hang out with a bunch of unmotivated crybabies? No. You did not. Why not? Because negativity is infectious, thats why not. If I sit on my lazy *ss and complain about how rotten my luck is, and how bad Ive got it, sooner or later, I start to believe. Just like if I sat here every day listening to the BullSh*t you continue to spew, I would begin to have negative thoughs. Successful people do not surround themselves with whiners, and complainers, because negativity affects anyone that chooses to wallow in it.

"There is a standing and very sad joke at the Henderson campus. ITT means "Intended to Teach.""

If this is the case, you should have known in advance (unless your class claims credit for the creativity displayed) that you would have to work very hard to compensate for some of the instructors. You graduated with all As and Bs, yet you do not know the material, and as a man, you continue to sit there, and say It wasnt my fault. You invoke emotional images to sway your intended audience to your side, but by doing so; you diminish any merit your claim possessed. You present your argument in a hap-hazard way. You make wild and emotional claims (racketeering) that evoke images of some third world extortion-based educational system, and to top it all off, you use poor grammer, and mispell words without thought or regard. As I said, your misspelling of my name is simply evidence of your lack of respect for your audience, and I understand the disrespect you show me. I am not presenting something to you that you find palatable. I am shoving your BS right back to you, not because I find a need to defend ANY decision Ive made, but because I refuse to listen to a grown man whine, cry, and refuse to except responsibility for himself.

You are ultimately responsible for your actions. You have only been out of school for two years, but youve already given up on yourself, and every reason you had for taking up a new career. If you didnt realize that the IT field requires a lifetime commitment to education, that is unfortunate, but the responsibility for that ignorance is yours, not your Marketing Reps. IT is not the local factory, where you start the job straight out of high school. Its not the job where you know youll always have a job no matter what you do, or dont do, because your old man worked there, and his old man before him. IT is always changing, and if you want to be a part of it, you have to be able to stay with the flow, and ahead of the current (technology).

I do not mean this as a personal attack. I mean this as a means of informing the public of an alternate point of view. If you decide to pursue the IT field as a career, do your own research. Talk to people that are in the field. Find out what is required. Find out if you are ready to make the commitment. Find out if you have the intestinal fortitude to stick to the plan, when it seems like the plan is falling apart. Find out if you can motivate yourself to achieve, and exceed, when the person in your class with the best GPA is also the one who doesnt know any of the material. ITT is not Harvard. It is a Tech School. It teaches hands on, and it teaches thoery. Like many schools, some of the instructors are simply educators. They are not Technically Savvy Individuals. You may have to put in some long hours to make sure you understand. That is no different than any other school of higher learning. This is not High School. This is a very fast paced program that is difficult to just keep up with; understanding the subject matter WILL REQUIRE additional study on your part.

I wish you well, Alan. May you motivate yourself to succeed, where it would be so easy to accept failure.

Jeffery,

If you think you know all there is to know about how ITT conducts business, then you have not explored all avenues for information. You have more to learn. Seek and you will find that I am correct in my allegations.

As I said, there will be more complaints soon. Stay tuned. You are in the minority and are protecting what you stepped into and are rationalizing. That is easier rather than to face reality.

If one needs to get certifications, then why should one need to attend ITT? They said nothing about that when I enrolled.

I never said that ITT made "NO EFFORT." I never said that I made "NO EFFORT." So, do not put words in my mouth. I graduated with A's & B's.

There is a standing and very sad joke at the Henderson campus. ITT means "Intended to Teach."

ITT lies and does not perform. That is not just played off as a persuasive salesperson when your talking about schools that obtains federal funds.

I believe that they have committed fraud and that their entire way of doing business is racketeering.

In simple terms, if you tell a potential student that they will be competent to obtain employment in a field, that they will be worth pay of $75,000 a year, sell them a program for $30,000 based upon that premise, knowing that they will have trouble getting $10.00 an hour, there is a major scam going on. That is what the majority of ITT grads face.

I am with the majority. Most are too depressed to complain and/or still feel that there may be at least some value to the money and time they invested. I am over that.

Sadly, there are many companies that do business like Enron.

Ive already done all the research I will do on ITT. I have seen your complaints before. I am aware of your point of view. I realize the importance of your side, and graduates like you. I simply refuse to put myself in the same box with you, just because you are in the position you are in.

I would like to address your rebuttal, with specifics, rather than veiled points.

1 is spelled one; this is a reflection of you. If you expect to succeed in the business world, you have to present yourself in a professional manner. Professional presentations are error-free. Misspelling my name was hilarious, if youre using this forum to vent & didnt expect someone to put the onus right back on you, where it belongs. However, if you are truly trying to inform, then it is sad, because it shows a lack of respect for your audience.

If the help desk people are still doing poorly after 2+ years of OTJ experience in one of the best entry level positions in IT, they should consider the level of their commitment to the field. Or they should consider moving to a more advancement-friendly environment. Whether that is a company across town, or on the other side of the country, it should be explored. If they have been help desk support for 2+ years, they should be able to find something else, but they may be forced to do something that is outside their current boundaries, i.e. they may have to move across country, or they may have to work 3rd shift. Experience in this field is gold, and they apparently have some experience.

"My committment to the education was comparable to their comittment to me."

After the way youve blasted ITT, and basically said they made NO EFFORT, we get to the bottom line. You made NO EFFORT, thus you are incompetent. You made NO EFFORT, thus you are unable to get any experience in the field, because you dont know what you should know, with your level of instruction. You made NO EFFORT, and now you want to scream to the world the dangers of ITT. Your argument may be flawed by your own emotional investment. I do not mean to attack you personally, so please understand my perspective. I am learning, in every class. I push myself. I will achieve. I am sowing seeds of success. Your situation is unfortunate, but not uncommon. This field is one of constant change, and it requires constant self-education. Your level of commitment to this field (IT) does not seem to be compatible with what is required.

I would like to briefly address your they lied to me claims. Marketing Representatives are trained to sell. That is their job. How many marketing reps do you think have gone through the program? They have no idea what is required of an individual getting into IT. You should have known. If you did not, that responsibility is, once again, yours. Marketing Representatives are there to do one thing, fill the seats. So they get out diagrams of what you will be able to do with your education, and it all looks great. Gullible people think they will put nothing in, and get greatness out, just because some lady, or guy, said so.

I should have put this on line 1, of the first rebuttal, and left it as is; stop passing the buck, Alan, and make the necessary changes. I wish you well.

IT managers look for three things in a potential candidate, prior to meeting with them: experience, degree, and certification. 1 of 3 wont get you invited to the interview. Volunteer, thats what I do.

Ive already done all the research I will do on ITT. I have seen your complaints before. I am aware of your point of view. I realize the importance of your side, and graduates like you. I simply refuse to put myself in the same box with you, just because you are in the position you are in.

I would like to address your rebuttal, with specifics, rather than veiled points.

1 is spelled one; this is a reflection of you. If you expect to succeed in the business world, you have to present yourself in a professional manner. Professional presentations are error-free. Misspelling my name was hilarious, if youre using this forum to vent & didnt expect someone to put the onus right back on you, where it belongs. However, if you are truly trying to inform, then it is sad, because it shows a lack of respect for your audience.

If the help desk people are still doing poorly after 2+ years of OTJ experience in one of the best entry level positions in IT, they should consider the level of their commitment to the field. Or they should consider moving to a more advancement-friendly environment. Whether that is a company across town, or on the other side of the country, it should be explored. If they have been help desk support for 2+ years, they should be able to find something else, but they may be forced to do something that is outside their current boundaries, i.e. they may have to move across country, or they may have to work 3rd shift. Experience in this field is gold, and they apparently have some experience.

"My committment to the education was comparable to their comittment to me."

After the way youve blasted ITT, and basically said they made NO EFFORT, we get to the bottom line. You made NO EFFORT, thus you are incompetent. You made NO EFFORT, thus you are unable to get any experience in the field, because you dont know what you should know, with your level of instruction. You made NO EFFORT, and now you want to scream to the world the dangers of ITT. Your argument may be flawed by your own emotional investment. I do not mean to attack you personally, so please understand my perspective. I am learning, in every class. I push myself. I will achieve. I am sowing seeds of success. Your situation is unfortunate, but not uncommon. This field is one of constant change, and it requires constant self-education. Your level of commitment to this field (IT) does not seem to be compatible with what is required.

I would like to briefly address your they lied to me claims. Marketing Representatives are trained to sell. That is their job. How many marketing reps do you think have gone through the program? They have no idea what is required of an individual getting into IT. You should have known. If you did not, that responsibility is, once again, yours. Marketing Representatives are there to do one thing, fill the seats. So they get out diagrams of what you will be able to do with your education, and it all looks great. Gullible people think they will put nothing in, and get greatness out, just because some lady, or guy, said so.

I should have put this on line 1, of the first rebuttal, and left it as is; stop passing the buck, Alan, and make the necessary changes. I wish you well.

IT managers look for three things in a potential candidate, prior to meeting with them: experience, degree, and certification. 1 of 3 wont get you invited to the interview. Volunteer, thats what I do.

Ive already done all the research I will do on ITT. I have seen your complaints before. I am aware of your point of view. I realize the importance of your side, and graduates like you. I simply refuse to put myself in the same box with you, just because you are in the position you are in.

I would like to address your rebuttal, with specifics, rather than veiled points.

1 is spelled one; this is a reflection of you. If you expect to succeed in the business world, you have to present yourself in a professional manner. Professional presentations are error-free. Misspelling my name was hilarious, if youre using this forum to vent & didnt expect someone to put the onus right back on you, where it belongs. However, if you are truly trying to inform, then it is sad, because it shows a lack of respect for your audience.

If the help desk people are still doing poorly after 2+ years of OTJ experience in one of the best entry level positions in IT, they should consider the level of their commitment to the field. Or they should consider moving to a more advancement-friendly environment. Whether that is a company across town, or on the other side of the country, it should be explored. If they have been help desk support for 2+ years, they should be able to find something else, but they may be forced to do something that is outside their current boundaries, i.e. they may have to move across country, or they may have to work 3rd shift. Experience in this field is gold, and they apparently have some experience.

"My committment to the education was comparable to their comittment to me."

After the way youve blasted ITT, and basically said they made NO EFFORT, we get to the bottom line. You made NO EFFORT, thus you are incompetent. You made NO EFFORT, thus you are unable to get any experience in the field, because you dont know what you should know, with your level of instruction. You made NO EFFORT, and now you want to scream to the world the dangers of ITT. Your argument may be flawed by your own emotional investment. I do not mean to attack you personally, so please understand my perspective. I am learning, in every class. I push myself. I will achieve. I am sowing seeds of success. Your situation is unfortunate, but not uncommon. This field is one of constant change, and it requires constant self-education. Your level of commitment to this field (IT) does not seem to be compatible with what is required.

I would like to briefly address your they lied to me claims. Marketing Representatives are trained to sell. That is their job. How many marketing reps do you think have gone through the program? They have no idea what is required of an individual getting into IT. You should have known. If you did not, that responsibility is, once again, yours. Marketing Representatives are there to do one thing, fill the seats. So they get out diagrams of what you will be able to do with your education, and it all looks great. Gullible people think they will put nothing in, and get greatness out, just because some lady, or guy, said so.

I should have put this on line 1, of the first rebuttal, and left it as is; stop passing the buck, Alan, and make the necessary changes. I wish you well.

IT managers look for three things in a potential candidate, prior to meeting with them: experience, degree, and certification. 1 of 3 wont get you invited to the interview. Volunteer, thats what I do.

Ive already done all the research I will do on ITT. I have seen your complaints before. I am aware of your point of view. I realize the importance of your side, and graduates like you. I simply refuse to put myself in the same box with you, just because you are in the position you are in.

I would like to address your rebuttal, with specifics, rather than veiled points.

1 is spelled one; this is a reflection of you. If you expect to succeed in the business world, you have to present yourself in a professional manner. Professional presentations are error-free. Misspelling my name was hilarious, if youre using this forum to vent & didnt expect someone to put the onus right back on you, where it belongs. However, if you are truly trying to inform, then it is sad, because it shows a lack of respect for your audience.

If the help desk people are still doing poorly after 2+ years of OTJ experience in one of the best entry level positions in IT, they should consider the level of their commitment to the field. Or they should consider moving to a more advancement-friendly environment. Whether that is a company across town, or on the other side of the country, it should be explored. If they have been help desk support for 2+ years, they should be able to find something else, but they may be forced to do something that is outside their current boundaries, i.e. they may have to move across country, or they may have to work 3rd shift. Experience in this field is gold, and they apparently have some experience.

"My committment to the education was comparable to their comittment to me."

After the way youve blasted ITT, and basically said they made NO EFFORT, we get to the bottom line. You made NO EFFORT, thus you are incompetent. You made NO EFFORT, thus you are unable to get any experience in the field, because you dont know what you should know, with your level of instruction. You made NO EFFORT, and now you want to scream to the world the dangers of ITT. Your argument may be flawed by your own emotional investment. I do not mean to attack you personally, so please understand my perspective. I am learning, in every class. I push myself. I will achieve. I am sowing seeds of success. Your situation is unfortunate, but not uncommon. This field is one of constant change, and it requires constant self-education. Your level of commitment to this field (IT) does not seem to be compatible with what is required.

I would like to briefly address your they lied to me claims. Marketing Representatives are trained to sell. That is their job. How many marketing reps do you think have gone through the program? They have no idea what is required of an individual getting into IT. You should have known. If you did not, that responsibility is, once again, yours. Marketing Representatives are there to do one thing, fill the seats. So they get out diagrams of what you will be able to do with your education, and it all looks great. Gullible people think they will put nothing in, and get greatness out, just because some lady, or guy, said so.

I should have put this on line 1, of the first rebuttal, and left it as is; stop passing the buck, Alan, and make the necessary changes. I wish you well.

IT managers look for three things in a potential candidate, prior to meeting with them: experience, degree, and certification. 1 of 3 wont get you invited to the interview. Volunteer, thats what I do.

The certifications are what is most important. As you know, ITT does not offer that. I could have earned certifications on my own and taken a few classes at the community college to boost up my Bachelors Degree. Or, I could have gone back to a University for a Masters Degree in something. The fact is, that ITT lied and wasted my time and money.

Unfortunately, as you will soon see, there are many complaints that are identical as mine. Although most students are reluctant to complain because they still have some hope that the degree will get them somewhere. You will hear about more complaints like mine soon. It is normal for you and others to defend your education at ITT. Reality is not always pleasant.

To answer your Q's:

Who cares if I mispelled 1?
He did not kill himself, he died of an OD, he was obviuosly depressed and self-medicating.

I don't pitty the quitters. I wish I was one of them rather than trsuting ITT and sticking it out and being scammed for thousands of dollars.

The help desk people are still doing poorly.

My committment to the education was comparable to their comittment to me.

You may wish to consider doing a little bit of research and find out whether any formal and valid complaints have been filed with any agencies.

I am currently enrolled at ITT for the Network Admin program that is apparently being discussed in this rip-off report. I question the integrity or validity of the claim, based on the contents of the claim. I would suggest to the writer, Alan, that he get some experience in the IT field before he blasts the merits of his degree, unless you are as incompetent as you claim. If you are too incompetent to break into the field after two years of full time education, then you are probably to blame. I do not sit in a position of judgment, but if you put no effort in, you get no results out. One of my classmates is similarly new to computers, but she busts her *ss to make sure she develops understanding of the subject matter. I wonder why you are just now posting a report, two years after graduation. If you have not obtained employment in that time, how do you fault ITT? I do not receive a paycheck from ITT, nor do I go out of my way to endorse their product, but it would appear that you would have everyone believe that you were swindled - hoodwinked, and that you are so ignorant, that you did not realize that you may have to do some outside studies, in addition to your class material. I have achieved three certifications, on top of my studies. I have also audited BS level classes, in addition to my regular classes. I know that IT is slow right now, which is why I push myself to achieve more than my classmates that think the ITT degree is going to open the $75,000 per year career door, all by itself. By the time I get my Associates Degree from ITT, I will have a plethora of certifications to back it up, and will have at least one year of OTJ experience. Aside from the MSCA/E, & Comp-TIA certs that every Net Admin seems to have, I am currently pursuing Linux certs, and will attain the level of RHCE before I graduate. I will achieve where you have failed, because I refuse to fail. I will get that six figure income that is almost extinct, because I'm taking the steps, NOW, to achieve.

1 is spelled "one".
Do you really think the guy killed himself because of ITT?
Should we pity the quitters you mentioned?
What happened to the people that were working as help desk techs?
If, as you say, your education is worthless, doesn't that reflect on your level of commitment to it?