Landmark Education ripoff, deceptive, con artist, arogant jerks, brainwashers, cult, money grabbers, liars, stupid idiots with no credentials or real education in human relationships Los Angeles California

One visit to Landmark and most people will see that most of the crap that is said on the Internet is an outright lie. There are people who will not "like" it, or their programs or the point of views that are promoted there.... music the same way that I have a strong dislike for CNN and Walmart, and both of us go out of our way to vilify those entities - they say Landmark is blah blah blah and I say CNN and Walmart is blah blah blah. Is what we say true? Not at all. We are being blowhards!

One need only check out Landmark for themselves to see what it really is or isn't. In the city that I live there is more demand then the staff and assistants can keep up with. And there is a good reason for this...and that is that Landmark Education is offering a unique and valuable education that is rocking this world!

Well know business leaders, housewives, native groups, Ministries and clergy and nuns and monks, your people, community leaders, ethnic and special interest groups and government agencies and a majority of the population of New Zealand are lauding what is happening for individuals families and communities out of their participation with programs of Landmark Education.

Ignore the small but loud group of internet haters. Make up your own minds some other way then the internet including my positive spin on things. Thank for yourself.

landmark is a well oiled money machine. They will you use YOU to ''enroll''
their next victims.
They don't advertise.. it is all on you. You will here this in every class, on
every break,and if you don't ''enroll'' people on your breaks , you will be
asked to leave like I was.
They are a really dark group of people. Just stay away.
There are much more positive groups out there...

landmark is a well oiled money machine. They will you use YOU to ''enroll''
their next victims.
They don't advertise.. it is all on you. You will here this in every class, on
every break,and if you don't ''enroll'' people on your breaks , you will be
asked to leave like I was.
They are a really dark group of people. Just stay away.
There are much more positive groups out there...

landmark is a well oiled money machine. They will you use YOU to ''enroll''
their next victims.
They don't advertise.. it is all on you. You will here this in every class, on
every break,and if you don't ''enroll'' people on your breaks , you will be
asked to leave like I was.
They are a really dark group of people. Just stay away.
There are much more positive groups out there...

I think this report is grossly unfair. First off depending on location and how you end up going to the forum you pay between $385 and $525 for about 40 hours of a forum encounter group plus 10 3 hour sessions in a follow up seminar. That is somewhere in the range of $9/hr if you just attend the forum and about $5 / hr if you go the included seminar. That's lower than community college courses or other most educational institutions by a long shot. That's lower than group therapy by a factor of 5-10 so it represents an excellent value for the money. They also offer a full money back guarantee so if Rebecca was dissatisfied she could have gotten a refund.

As for the specific claims "You are a machine". Well yes they do teach Heidegger that meaning is a human construction and early life provides the programming by which this machines assigns meaning. If teaching Heidegger makes one a "rip-off" then just about every college in US is one. Rebecca is free to disagree, but IMHO Landmark does an excellent job of teaching Heidegger in an applied way. It seems to me like you just disagree with them about existentialism which is fine you are free to do so. Engaging in a conversation and coming away with a firm conviction that existentialism / Heidegger is not something you want to involve yourself in is reasonable.

As for the "never attach sex to love, and have lots of sex" and "And if you disagree with the forum leader, he will humiliate you in public," this sounds like the kind of confrontational "therapy" style they engage in. That was probably specific to Rebecca and came from her standing up and choosing to engage, which is something you are not required to do. I wasn't there but I've seen similar sorts of things. And yeah that was most likely hard to hear. Most of the people who attended who heard things like that about themselves realized what was being said was true, though maybe not immediately, and they were transformed by it. I didn't like all the things I discovered about me either. But the truth about yourself sets you free to be the person you want to be. Its a tough weekend, you will learn a lot about yourself and some of it will not be pretty.

Sorry you had a bad time but I don't see how this is a rip-off report.

While it seems that Landmark is indeed a form of education, and I do not doubt that some constructive things are taught there, they do not behave like an ordinary educational institution.


There tactics seem very suspicious, and they employ rather strong-arm tactics to their "followers".

A very close freind of mine joined and very soon afterwards the coercive calls began. He asked very directly at first for me to join. I replied, after his description of the classes that it was not for me. Then he tried another approach: He was graduating from a course and wanted me to be present. However, during this ceremony, I would entreated to a sales pitch. I said no again. He then began acting not like the old freind I knew, but more like a h**l-fire christian out for conversion. I had no doubt that they were putting him up to it, and he even admitted so. He mentioned some kind of quota he had to keep.

Anyway, he has spent untold thousands of dollars to join the courses, is deep in debt, and I cannot for the life of me see any positive difference landmark has made on him. You would probably be better to spend your money going back to college.

Hello. I am an INtroduction Leader for Landmark Education. I am also a psychotherapist and a nurse and I am a very committed Christian. I did not find anything in my experience with Landmark that invited me to lie or cheat or steal or engage in any illicit sexual activity. Quite the contrary, my friends and contacts in the organization are always seeking for me to be truthful with myself and others. That takes courage and wisdom and insight and support. I have used what I have learned in Landmark to develop myself professionally and personally and to step beyond where I would have stopped myself. IT is a fascinating and worthwhile conversation.

I am sorry Rebecca had such a negative experience. I must also say that I was a Peace Corp volunteer for 2 years and a Roman Catholic missionary for 10 years. Both of those organizations have had many negative comments lashed out against them. All I can say is that each one of us lives our lives from our own perspective. From my training in psychotherapy I have learned that what we reject in ourselves we may tend to project on others outside of us. I invite Rebecca and each of us to carefullly examine our verbalized judgments and look at what might be motivating our experience.

SIncerely, Elizabeth
San Antonio, Texas

MY REPORT WAS SO LONG AGO, I AM COMPLETELY OVER THAT ORGANIZATION. THEY STILL CONTACT ME BY MAIL AND EMAIL TO COME BACK AND JOIN GIVING THEM MORE OF MY MONEY AND TIME. I JUST WANT TO FORGET THEM.....I POSTED MY EXPERIENCE TO WARN OTHERS.

I am a graduate of the Landmark Forum, and I would like to respond to Suzanne in Arizonawhose husband left her after 35 years following his attending the Landmark Forumand Rebecca in California, who attended the course herself (although it is not clear from her letter if she actually completed it) and was left feeling that people were treated in an unkind manner. I don't want to argue with either letterclearly something happened for each of you that left you hurt and angry. Both of you sound like people with a commitment that human beings deal with each other responsibly and with respect, and I am deeply saddened that your experience with Landmark Education was anything other than that.

My husband and I have both done a number of the courses and programs offered by Landmark Education. We are also both extensively educated in other fieldsmy husband in theology and philosophy and me in clinical psychology (which was my profession for almost 30 yearsI am now retired). What I would like to do is share a little of my own experience with this education.

No one in the Landmark Forum or any other Landmark course has ever told me what to believe or how to handle my own lifeever! And that was really important to me, because I'm someone who questions everything (both by disposition and by training). I understood in the Landmark Forum that I was free to accept or not what was saidthe Landmark Forum Leader could then be straight with me about what she saw and wanted me to look at in myself. And there were things that I found hard to look at. For example, the Leader said that I was really critical and withholding with my mother-in-law-in fact, she asked me to consider that I was just plain stingy with her. And when I really did consider that and stopped justifying what I was doing, I was able to get present to what I genuinely valued and loved about my husband's mother. That one insight not only altered my relationship with that one person but also expanded my generosity with everyone in my life. That would have been worth the price of admission right there!

But it didn't stop there. What was really remarkable for me is that I got access to opening up my life in a number of directions I never would have thought possibleI gained the confidence (and courage) to explore new professional directions, my stage fright largely disappeared (I now lead large workshops and sometimes speak to hundreds of people at a time), and I'm free, in a way I never was before, to risk failing or looking stupid in order to try something new.

One of the most important (and startling) things I saw in the Landmark Forum concerned my relationship to my husband. I saw that I was making various assumptions about his behavior in certain circumstances (and about what he really meant when he said certain things)and that those assumptions resulted in recurring upsets between us. Meanwhile, of course, I was blaming him for whatever difficulties we ran into. Now, it's true that over time we may well have resolved that issuebut what a gift it has been to move so rapidly and directly to a new level of authenticity in our relationship and a new experience of love and respect for one another. My husband had wanted me to do the Landmark Forum because he thought I would find joy thereturns out we both did!

I realize that Suzanne and Rebecca have had experiences with the Landmark Forum that are far removed from my own. I don't know what happened that resulted in those disappointments, but I take your letters to indicate that you care about fairness and accurate representations in the marketplace and that you have a concern that businesses that deal with personally important human issues behave responsibly and with authentic concern for the well-being and safety of the customer. That was not your experience in these instances. It has always been mine.

I am a graduate of the Landmark Forum, and I would like to respond to Suzanne in Arizonawhose husband left her after 35 years following his attending the Landmark Forumand Rebecca in California, who attended the course herself (although it is not clear from her letter if she actually completed it) and was left feeling that people were treated in an unkind manner. I don't want to argue with either letterclearly something happened for each of you that left you hurt and angry. Both of you sound like people with a commitment that human beings deal with each other responsibly and with respect, and I am deeply saddened that your experience with Landmark Education was anything other than that.

My husband and I have both done a number of the courses and programs offered by Landmark Education. We are also both extensively educated in other fieldsmy husband in theology and philosophy and me in clinical psychology (which was my profession for almost 30 yearsI am now retired). What I would like to do is share a little of my own experience with this education.

No one in the Landmark Forum or any other Landmark course has ever told me what to believe or how to handle my own lifeever! And that was really important to me, because I'm someone who questions everything (both by disposition and by training). I understood in the Landmark Forum that I was free to accept or not what was saidthe Landmark Forum Leader could then be straight with me about what she saw and wanted me to look at in myself. And there were things that I found hard to look at. For example, the Leader said that I was really critical and withholding with my mother-in-law-in fact, she asked me to consider that I was just plain stingy with her. And when I really did consider that and stopped justifying what I was doing, I was able to get present to what I genuinely valued and loved about my husband's mother. That one insight not only altered my relationship with that one person but also expanded my generosity with everyone in my life. That would have been worth the price of admission right there!

But it didn't stop there. What was really remarkable for me is that I got access to opening up my life in a number of directions I never would have thought possibleI gained the confidence (and courage) to explore new professional directions, my stage fright largely disappeared (I now lead large workshops and sometimes speak to hundreds of people at a time), and I'm free, in a way I never was before, to risk failing or looking stupid in order to try something new.

One of the most important (and startling) things I saw in the Landmark Forum concerned my relationship to my husband. I saw that I was making various assumptions about his behavior in certain circumstances (and about what he really meant when he said certain things)and that those assumptions resulted in recurring upsets between us. Meanwhile, of course, I was blaming him for whatever difficulties we ran into. Now, it's true that over time we may well have resolved that issuebut what a gift it has been to move so rapidly and directly to a new level of authenticity in our relationship and a new experience of love and respect for one another. My husband had wanted me to do the Landmark Forum because he thought I would find joy thereturns out we both did!

I realize that Suzanne and Rebecca have had experiences with the Landmark Forum that are far removed from my own. I don't know what happened that resulted in those disappointments, but I take your letters to indicate that you care about fairness and accurate representations in the marketplace and that you have a concern that businesses that deal with personally important human issues behave responsibly and with authentic concern for the well-being and safety of the customer. That was not your experience in these instances. It has always been mine.

I am a graduate of the Landmark Forum, and I would like to respond to Suzanne in Arizonawhose husband left her after 35 years following his attending the Landmark Forumand Rebecca in California, who attended the course herself (although it is not clear from her letter if she actually completed it) and was left feeling that people were treated in an unkind manner. I don't want to argue with either letterclearly something happened for each of you that left you hurt and angry. Both of you sound like people with a commitment that human beings deal with each other responsibly and with respect, and I am deeply saddened that your experience with Landmark Education was anything other than that.

My husband and I have both done a number of the courses and programs offered by Landmark Education. We are also both extensively educated in other fieldsmy husband in theology and philosophy and me in clinical psychology (which was my profession for almost 30 yearsI am now retired). What I would like to do is share a little of my own experience with this education.

No one in the Landmark Forum or any other Landmark course has ever told me what to believe or how to handle my own lifeever! And that was really important to me, because I'm someone who questions everything (both by disposition and by training). I understood in the Landmark Forum that I was free to accept or not what was saidthe Landmark Forum Leader could then be straight with me about what she saw and wanted me to look at in myself. And there were things that I found hard to look at. For example, the Leader said that I was really critical and withholding with my mother-in-law-in fact, she asked me to consider that I was just plain stingy with her. And when I really did consider that and stopped justifying what I was doing, I was able to get present to what I genuinely valued and loved about my husband's mother. That one insight not only altered my relationship with that one person but also expanded my generosity with everyone in my life. That would have been worth the price of admission right there!

But it didn't stop there. What was really remarkable for me is that I got access to opening up my life in a number of directions I never would have thought possibleI gained the confidence (and courage) to explore new professional directions, my stage fright largely disappeared (I now lead large workshops and sometimes speak to hundreds of people at a time), and I'm free, in a way I never was before, to risk failing or looking stupid in order to try something new.

One of the most important (and startling) things I saw in the Landmark Forum concerned my relationship to my husband. I saw that I was making various assumptions about his behavior in certain circumstances (and about what he really meant when he said certain things)and that those assumptions resulted in recurring upsets between us. Meanwhile, of course, I was blaming him for whatever difficulties we ran into. Now, it's true that over time we may well have resolved that issuebut what a gift it has been to move so rapidly and directly to a new level of authenticity in our relationship and a new experience of love and respect for one another. My husband had wanted me to do the Landmark Forum because he thought I would find joy thereturns out we both did!

I realize that Suzanne and Rebecca have had experiences with the Landmark Forum that are far removed from my own. I don't know what happened that resulted in those disappointments, but I take your letters to indicate that you care about fairness and accurate representations in the marketplace and that you have a concern that businesses that deal with personally important human issues behave responsibly and with authentic concern for the well-being and safety of the customer. That was not your experience in these instances. It has always been mine.

I am a graduate of the Landmark Forum, and I would like to respond to Suzanne in Arizonawhose husband left her after 35 years following his attending the Landmark Forumand Rebecca in California, who attended the course herself (although it is not clear from her letter if she actually completed it) and was left feeling that people were treated in an unkind manner. I don't want to argue with either letterclearly something happened for each of you that left you hurt and angry. Both of you sound like people with a commitment that human beings deal with each other responsibly and with respect, and I am deeply saddened that your experience with Landmark Education was anything other than that.

My husband and I have both done a number of the courses and programs offered by Landmark Education. We are also both extensively educated in other fieldsmy husband in theology and philosophy and me in clinical psychology (which was my profession for almost 30 yearsI am now retired). What I would like to do is share a little of my own experience with this education.

No one in the Landmark Forum or any other Landmark course has ever told me what to believe or how to handle my own lifeever! And that was really important to me, because I'm someone who questions everything (both by disposition and by training). I understood in the Landmark Forum that I was free to accept or not what was saidthe Landmark Forum Leader could then be straight with me about what she saw and wanted me to look at in myself. And there were things that I found hard to look at. For example, the Leader said that I was really critical and withholding with my mother-in-law-in fact, she asked me to consider that I was just plain stingy with her. And when I really did consider that and stopped justifying what I was doing, I was able to get present to what I genuinely valued and loved about my husband's mother. That one insight not only altered my relationship with that one person but also expanded my generosity with everyone in my life. That would have been worth the price of admission right there!

But it didn't stop there. What was really remarkable for me is that I got access to opening up my life in a number of directions I never would have thought possibleI gained the confidence (and courage) to explore new professional directions, my stage fright largely disappeared (I now lead large workshops and sometimes speak to hundreds of people at a time), and I'm free, in a way I never was before, to risk failing or looking stupid in order to try something new.

One of the most important (and startling) things I saw in the Landmark Forum concerned my relationship to my husband. I saw that I was making various assumptions about his behavior in certain circumstances (and about what he really meant when he said certain things)and that those assumptions resulted in recurring upsets between us. Meanwhile, of course, I was blaming him for whatever difficulties we ran into. Now, it's true that over time we may well have resolved that issuebut what a gift it has been to move so rapidly and directly to a new level of authenticity in our relationship and a new experience of love and respect for one another. My husband had wanted me to do the Landmark Forum because he thought I would find joy thereturns out we both did!

I realize that Suzanne and Rebecca have had experiences with the Landmark Forum that are far removed from my own. I don't know what happened that resulted in those disappointments, but I take your letters to indicate that you care about fairness and accurate representations in the marketplace and that you have a concern that businesses that deal with personally important human issues behave responsibly and with authentic concern for the well-being and safety of the customer. That was not your experience in these instances. It has always been mine.

I have lead courses for Landmark Education, am an ex-employee, and a customer.

I am not sure how to respond to this post. Clearly Rebecca did not have a positive experience of her participation in Landmark Education.

She has, however, to say the least, misidentified several key tenants of Landmark Educations's course work . I hate to see something I know to be honorable and well-intention be so defamed.

Two critical principles of Landmark Education's courses are authenticity and integrity. Honoring one's word is fundamental to every curse taught by Landmark Education. I do not know what happened to Rebecca but clealry she is upset by it and clealry she has decided Landamrk is at fault and hence her stream of invective, exaggerations and incorrect statements.

The Landmark Forum leaders do NOT humiliate people. They are straight forward in the way currently popularized by Dr. Phil. Some people don't like that.

Although there is a lot of trash talk on the Internet about Landmark Education being a cult, that has been debunked so many times. Go to Landmark's web site and let common sense prevail.

It is an adult educational institution. Landamrk has campuses all over the world and it trains its leaders to have the highest standrds of integrity.

Does the company and/or its leaders occassionally screw up? Of course! It is a human institution , and is fallible like anyother. However, it is, in my experience, better than most. ANd it sincerely attemtps to walk the talk it teaches and apply those principles to itself.

Rebecca's characterization of what "the most emphasized thories" of the final day were is a good example of the degree of exaggeration and inaccuracy in her post. There is a mention of sex on the third day but it is at most ten minutes of conversation AND at no time does the instructor EVER tell the course participants to "and have lots of sex". If they did that instructor would be in trouble! They do point out that sex and love- which is both accurate and not shocking to most people. The "machine " comment is a misinterpretation of a point the Landmark Forum delivers that is just addressing the degree to which we react and act automatically and without thinking in life.

I won't respond to every point Rebecca made because she is clearly just upset and making stuff up out of her anger. I don't know what happened but I am sure the Landmark Education office would be happy to meet with you and respond to any criticisms or make right whatever happened for you. I recommend you call the Center Manager at your local office and set up a time to speak with her/him.

I have lead courses for Landmark Education, am an ex-employee, and a customer.

I am not sure how to respond to this post. Clearly Rebecca did not have a positive experience of her participation in Landmark Education.

She has, however, to say the least, misidentified several key tenants of Landmark Educations's course work . I hate to see something I know to be honorable and well-intention be so defamed.

Two critical principles of Landmark Education's courses are authenticity and integrity. Honoring one's word is fundamental to every curse taught by Landmark Education. I do not know what happened to Rebecca but clealry she is upset by it and clealry she has decided Landamrk is at fault and hence her stream of invective, exaggerations and incorrect statements.

The Landmark Forum leaders do NOT humiliate people. They are straight forward in the way currently popularized by Dr. Phil. Some people don't like that.

Although there is a lot of trash talk on the Internet about Landmark Education being a cult, that has been debunked so many times. Go to Landmark's web site and let common sense prevail.

It is an adult educational institution. Landamrk has campuses all over the world and it trains its leaders to have the highest standrds of integrity.

Does the company and/or its leaders occassionally screw up? Of course! It is a human institution , and is fallible like anyother. However, it is, in my experience, better than most. ANd it sincerely attemtps to walk the talk it teaches and apply those principles to itself.

Rebecca's characterization of what "the most emphasized thories" of the final day were is a good example of the degree of exaggeration and inaccuracy in her post. There is a mention of sex on the third day but it is at most ten minutes of conversation AND at no time does the instructor EVER tell the course participants to "and have lots of sex". If they did that instructor would be in trouble! They do point out that sex and love- which is both accurate and not shocking to most people. The "machine " comment is a misinterpretation of a point the Landmark Forum delivers that is just addressing the degree to which we react and act automatically and without thinking in life.

I won't respond to every point Rebecca made because she is clearly just upset and making stuff up out of her anger. I don't know what happened but I am sure the Landmark Education office would be happy to meet with you and respond to any criticisms or make right whatever happened for you. I recommend you call the Center Manager at your local office and set up a time to speak with her/him.

I have lead courses for Landmark Education, am an ex-employee, and a customer.

I am not sure how to respond to this post. Clearly Rebecca did not have a positive experience of her participation in Landmark Education.

She has, however, to say the least, misidentified several key tenants of Landmark Educations's course work . I hate to see something I know to be honorable and well-intention be so defamed.

Two critical principles of Landmark Education's courses are authenticity and integrity. Honoring one's word is fundamental to every curse taught by Landmark Education. I do not know what happened to Rebecca but clealry she is upset by it and clealry she has decided Landamrk is at fault and hence her stream of invective, exaggerations and incorrect statements.

The Landmark Forum leaders do NOT humiliate people. They are straight forward in the way currently popularized by Dr. Phil. Some people don't like that.

Although there is a lot of trash talk on the Internet about Landmark Education being a cult, that has been debunked so many times. Go to Landmark's web site and let common sense prevail.

It is an adult educational institution. Landamrk has campuses all over the world and it trains its leaders to have the highest standrds of integrity.

Does the company and/or its leaders occassionally screw up? Of course! It is a human institution , and is fallible like anyother. However, it is, in my experience, better than most. ANd it sincerely attemtps to walk the talk it teaches and apply those principles to itself.

Rebecca's characterization of what "the most emphasized thories" of the final day were is a good example of the degree of exaggeration and inaccuracy in her post. There is a mention of sex on the third day but it is at most ten minutes of conversation AND at no time does the instructor EVER tell the course participants to "and have lots of sex". If they did that instructor would be in trouble! They do point out that sex and love- which is both accurate and not shocking to most people. The "machine " comment is a misinterpretation of a point the Landmark Forum delivers that is just addressing the degree to which we react and act automatically and without thinking in life.

I won't respond to every point Rebecca made because she is clearly just upset and making stuff up out of her anger. I don't know what happened but I am sure the Landmark Education office would be happy to meet with you and respond to any criticisms or make right whatever happened for you. I recommend you call the Center Manager at your local office and set up a time to speak with her/him.