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Complaint Review: Michael Raven - Internet

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Michael moved next door to my in-laws. He said he was a celebrity jeweler.  There are some internet pictures of him with c-level celebrities.  

He was nice and my wife decided she wanted to redo her engagement ring.  

After a few conversations, we agreed to $3,800.  We paid to Michael a deposit of $1,900.  

And then...the delays began.  First, it was he was sick.  Then his mom was sick.  Then it got crazy.  He said he was robbed.  Then he stated that his girlfriend got access to his accounts and stole all his money.  

Then it was talk about him killing himself (yep, it was absurd).  We were sympathetic.  We asked that he just finish the ring or give us back the money.  He offered payments...we agreed but that was just another delay scam.   

Finally we told him that we don't believe him and that we're suing.  He said he's moving and we could never serve him.  

He said he already paid for the stones; we asked him to give them to us and he never did.  

7 months later we're left with nothing to show for our deposit.  Even worse, the one piece of jewelry that my wife wore every day and is supposed to symbolize our love has been mired in this guy's scam.  

He's a total scam artist and liar.  Don't trust him with any work and certainly never pay him any money.  I hope our painful and sad experience helps someone stay out of his reach.  

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#10 Consumer Comment

Michael raven is a Con

AUTHOR: FindingMichael - (United States)

POSTED: Wednesday, May 12, 2021

 Michael conned me out of thousands of dollars he borrowed then went silent. He told me he had brain cancer and was dying. We went to court and won a judgement against him as he was a no show. His jewelry is fake. He is fake. He hides young teens from Europe. He makes up stories like he said he CI write No Air by Jordin sparks and he said he won Grammys! Liar! He said he works with Mariah Carey! Liar!! Beware of him!!

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#9 Consumer Comment

finding Michael Raven

AUTHOR: OcWhitey - (USA)

POSTED: Monday, September 26, 2016

 I worked with Michael at Moon Valley Nursery in Hollywood and he is still employed there!!

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#8 General Comment

Michael, you are a thief!

AUTHOR: payup - ()

POSTED: Saturday, November 22, 2014

Micheal was a personal friend of someone in my extended family. When we met him he had a good story as many have heard. It soon lead to promisses of high quality handmade jewelry for great prices. All pieces seem to have delays or never came. When questioned and pressed for answers, he was sick of had just been robbed. It was never his fault but the problem never got solved. He was able to build our trust early so i gave him a $9,000.00 watch to sell..... bad idea! After a few months later and no money for the watch, i asked for it back. Thats when it all started..... First the watch was in storage. Then he was locked out of the storage by some lady. Then he was too sick to go to the storage place... it went on and on. At the end of the day, he sold the watch and stole the money. He is a total con man and the theif. Stay away from this guy!!!

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#7 REBUTTAL Individual responds

More of the Same....Still In Hiding and Still More Lies

AUTHOR: Alex S - ()

POSTED: Thursday, May 01, 2014

Michael, you like to play hide ball with your continuous lies.  Really, how could it be our fault that you never actually gave us anything for our money?  

You are being exposed Michael.  When your lies pause, we come back to the same problem.  You never produced a singe ring and you refuse to return to us our money.  Now if you can explain that away, I'd be impressed.  

Yes Michael, we did sign a contract.  And you're in breach of that contract by not performing.  

Michael, first we never asked for twice the diamonds, and any changes in the design were slight.  

Next, you NEVER asked for an additional penny and you were always welcome to say you didn't want to do the work.  But that's not what you said; instead it was my mom is sick, i'm sick, I've been robbed, my girlfriend took all of my money....lie upon lie upon lie.  

Michael, we also have a copy of the work order.  And who cares what kind of an oustanding deal you gave us since you never actually gave us anything.  

We come back to the same place, you lie and you hide.  But your lies are catching up to you and people are figuring you out.  You scammed us, but other people will know better than to trust you.  

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#6 Author of original report

Tsk Tsk Tsk...

AUTHOR: Alex S - ()

POSTED: Friday, April 18, 2014

Michael,

Thank you for your diatribe on my skills as a lawyer.  I'll avoid discussing how great I am as a lawyer, but lets just agree that I have an office.  No one has every filed a complaint against me.  My clients seem very happy and everyone knows where to find me. 

Now lets remember why we're here.  You're hiding Michael.  I would like nothing better than to spare myself of these emails and let a court decide who's in the right.  Please email, text, post (you choose) your address, I'll serve you with a small claims complaint, and we'll handle this in court.  But you won't do this, will you?  So as much as you make up lies about me, this one lie can't be avoided.  You're hiding and this makes all the rest of your lies crumble.  So tell anyone reading this, WHY ARE YOU AVOID LEGAL SERVICE?

But since there is some entertainment value, I'll respond to the rest of your post.  My life has not been thrown into "chaotic desolation" over the $1900 you owe me.  However, you do owe this amount and why should you be allowed to get away with it?  $1900 won't change my life, but it's a decent amount and I want it back.

Now, as to these 50 additional diamonds?  Let's come back to earth Michael, is it even possible that we added 50 more diamonds?  The only discussed changes were whether to make a small portion of the ring 2 sided or 3 sided.  You made it clear that since the stones would be small if it was 3 sided, the cost difference would be minimal.  As for the size of the tiny diamonds around the halo, when we were designing the ring you indicated you would figure this out after the mold was made.  However, at no point in our dealings did you every ask for an additonal penny.  If you felt we should be charged extra, you were free to tell us.  However, this entire conversation is for naught, because YOU NEVER MADE A RING.

As for the delays, Michael, Anna has pages of emails where you keep apologizing for the delays.  Offering every excuse under the sun.  Also, if this was a matter of "delay" we'd have gotten our ring about 4 months ago.  It's been over 8 months...I think that ship has sunk.

And yes Michael, you are correct, "a scammer takes money and disappears."  So remind everyone, where is our money? And where are you?

Don't feel cheated in life.  My life is very good.  My home is quite nice.  Congratulations to you on have a home "like that" for six months.  However, I do feel cheated by you and that's why I am writing here. 

So...we come back to where we started.  Michael, where is the $1900 that you've told me I'm going to receive.  Is it in the $50 monthly installment payments you offered?  You want to avoid me telling everyone about the person that you are and the lies you committed?  Give me your address and I'll serve you.  Lets let a court decide who's in the right. 

 

 

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#5 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Your attempts at misdirection

AUTHOR: correction - ()

POSTED: Friday, April 18, 2014

 Alex Shlafman, you are demonstrating to the world that you are the worst possible lawyer in the world. You breathlessly grasp at things like my house and personal life because you signed an agreement voluntarily signed and now are crying about in a spoiled, and s****.>

Also, your complete lack of focus on the actual matter of the ring and obsessive misdirection on my home and life shows an extremely poor attempt to put your lawyer's spin on the fact that you wanted 50 more diamonds in a ring for the same cost.

A scammer takes money and disappears...I spent countless hours with my assistant in your home and your in-laws going over the same questions over and over quite graciously. I provided TWO molds which you guys promptly broke right in front of me because of your carelessness and still I was polite and gracious. I brought an entire parcel of diamonds to dry fit in the waxes before you broke them to determine AGAIN what size we should use.

This was long after the initial work order.

You and your wife decided you wanted diamonds going 3/4 down the shank instaed of halfway adding more diamonds to the design. You and your wife waited ubntil another mold was completed before deciding you wanted an entire matching row of diamonds on both profiles of the shank as well. You wanted them set straight in and then wanted them at an angle.

You wanted a tiny halo of diamonds around your center stone, then you wanted them larger. You wanted no diamonds on the profile of the halo and then you wanted some. You raised the center diamond accented setting, and then lowered it, only to raise it again. No wonder this has taken so long. The very fact that I am responding to this bullying and attempted ransom of my character and that I kept returning to your home bringing molds, diamonds, and consulting with you completely NEGATES your definition of scammer. How culd anyone hire you as a lawyer when you get so emotionally disturbed by a 1900.00 amount your not even entitled to that is being returned to you anyway. It does not matter in what increments. You should

Now you say I moved in order to deny you a 1900.00 deposit you signed an agreement which clearly states there are no refunds and that additional costs can be incurred after the work order is done. That is some serious sociopathic self-flattery for a lawyer who thinks he is way above my house guests he insults after spending three hours with them getting freaking them out with his wierdness.

You keep mentioning my house over and over. I'm sorry you feel cheated in life because I had a house for two years that you said was the nicest lot on Mt. Olympus and you live in a tiny apartment in what, to me,  looks like a converted two story storage building off some back alley off some side road near Ventura Blvd. I may have gone through strife in a relationship that hurt me emotionally and financially but I think you are angry because you know you might never have a home like that for even six months.

Also, the more you write the more awful of an attorney you reveal yourself to be. You immediately equate gay sex with the word proposition. Why do you relate gay sex to myself? Do you not know the meaning of the word proposition? Diod you not have English in your school or college courses? A proposition is a proposal of any kind, mostly business proposals and sometimes schemes.

You would be a more successful lawyer if you didn't try to bully people into giving you more than they agreed, and spent less time breathlessly attached to creating online feuds with people like myself in attempt  to garner some fame and more time practicing focus in your arguments rather than misdirection because you have no facts to stand on.

Then you want to involve my old landlord which I have doumented emails and photos showing mold and massive leaks requiring jackhammers in no less than THREE of my bedrooms plus a bathroom and master closet to somehow attack my character? That is serious libel...Also, Please be aware my New York publicist had to sue them because of the stairs and she has had several documented surgeries as a result and the landlord lied about having insurance and has a JUDGEMENT against them.

The company you keep is also very revealing of who you are as a lawyer and individual.

I didn't rent my house to party promoters... I travel and when i did, my hous sitter threw ONE party and was kicked out as a result.

How can anyone hire you, seeing how desperately you attach yourself to this, sign agreements you can't handle emotionally, misdirect when you have no basis to even be upset, and freak out over a mere 1900.00 refund you're still going to receive that you're not entitled to... I'm done encouraging you in this way.

 

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Michael, You've Gone Off the Deep End

AUTHOR: Alex S - ()

POSTED: Thursday, April 17, 2014

Michael,

Before I respond to your latest chapter of lies, I'm wondering what do you mean by "you propositioned me in front of my two assistants"?  Are you saying that I asked you to have sex with me?  But not only that, but in front of your two assitants?  If so, you are about to learn the real definition of libel.  

Michael, first I am not gay.  I have a wife (you remember, the one you were supposed to make a ring for) and a young daughter.  And if this was not absurd enough, you're actually saying I did this in front of your two assistants?  If so, you're hitting a new level of maniacal lying.  Please, do share more of this conversation.  I welcome it.  Please provide the names of your two assistants as I will be contacting them.  And yes, please have your assistants sign the affidavits that you intend to post.  Sounds like Jerry Springer.  

Turning next to your more moderate lies, Michael, your party wasn't a charity...unless you're a charity.  You were continuously renting the house out to party promoters to make money.  The neighbors were continuously complaining about it. 

Michael, you really expect people to believe that you moved out of the home because of "mold" at the exact same time that you lost all of your money.  Michael, do your lies even make sense to you?  I will try to contact your landlord since they live next door to my in-laws.  I'm sure we will have interesting  stories to share about you.  

Michael, we don't believe you were "taken advantage of." Frankly, we think this is a total make believe story that you concocted to avoid making our ring and/or returning our money.  

We are not stalking you.  We are exposing you.  Look at the website you are writing on.  We are writing on a website called "Rippoff Report."  This is specifically a forum for people to detail how they got ripped off.  And that's what you did...rip us off.  

As for my emotional instability, I think that people will read what each of us has written and they can decide for themselves which of us is unstable.  The person who got scammed on a ring, or the penniless jeweler/hollywood producer who closed shop, supposedly left California, is evading legal service, allegedly got scammed for everyone penny by their ex-girlfriend, and who accuses me (a married man) of propositiong them for sex?  

Also, why have you not mentioned that you offered to pay me in installments over the course of 19 months?  Despite the fact that we don't believe you, does that even sound reasonable?  How do you figure that's ok? 

Michael, your lies are building on eachother, but the weight is too heavy and your nonesense stories are crumbling.  You're a liar Michael and everyone who reads this will know it.    

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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

More of the story you left out

AUTHOR: correction - ()

POSTED: Thursday, April 17, 2014

Firstly, Why would you complain about an admission charged to benefit a charity you never paid anyway since you crashed the party, not being on the list. Secondly, the event seemed worthy of your snootiness for the THREE HOURS you remained, getting drunk and trying to network with people that you freaked out with your words and behavior. 

I wanted to be above all of this but you leave me no choice but to expose more of the truth. Yes, I relinquished the house, but only because I was not going to pay 11 thousand dollars a month for a house that had black mold and major leaks under the foundation which I have proof documented in photos, as well as emails. This, of course, is none of your business anyway.

The fact that you would throw up that I was taken advantage of by someone that I fell in love with is a sick and sociopathic effort to somehow make your case correct by hurling insults and false claims. I am not the first or last person in Hollywood to have been tricked by someone I was dating. The fact that you are turning to manipulating these painful moments in my life reveals your character greatly.

Offering you a refund in payments which you are not even entitled to, I went beyond what anyone should ever tolerate in constant manic behavior of obsessive clients making changes and adding nearly 50 diamonds to a design without expecting the cost to rise.

You don't know where I am because you both have stalked, harrassed, and publicly insulted me and if anyone reads the way you constantly insulted and called names in these posts it is clear you are emotionally unstable and obsessed over 1900.00....

Also, you failed to mention that when you propositioned me in front of my two assistants on the sidewalk and I refused, that is when I got a little distant quite understandably. Every time you say anything negative about me I will share more of that conversation and my assistants might share what they heard as well. I can have them sign affadavits and post them to these streams as well. 

 

 

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#2 Author of original report

Michael -- You Are a Serial Liar

AUTHOR: Alex S - ()

POSTED: Thursday, April 17, 2014

Michael, 

You are a complete liar.  I am happy to explain the extent of your compulsive lies.   First, lets make sure that everyone knows that you are HIDING FROM US.  In fact, you said "you will never find me."  So a person that doesn't believe that they wronged others doesn't try to hide from being legally served.  In the past few weeks, you've made up more lies about how you were going to pay us back in installment payments (once again, not the words of a person who thinks they are innocent), but you have failed to provide us with any payment date or plans.

 

Next, lets respond to your lies.  

We did not bombard you with emails and texs.  The problem was that you were not delivering anything to us.  We kept calling and texting you wondering where was our ring!!!  After 8 months, don't you think we should be rightfully entitled to either a ring or our money back?  Is that not reasonable? 

 

Next, we never "crashed" your red carpet charity event.  You were renting a home from my wife's parents' neighbor (which you have to move out of because you couldn't make rent payment).  You invited us over.  Sorry to say it was more fuscia than red.  First, you were charging at the door (pathetic).  The police shut you down.  And your crowd was disgusting looking.  

 

And yes, you're right, we are using the internet to harm your reputation, because you SCAMMED US!!!  You're hiding from us to avoid being legally served with a lawsuit.  What other way can we make it clear that you are liar and in breach of your contract.   Who cares what "outstanding deal" you gave us since you never produced ANYTHING!!!  

 

I don't know about your stellar record. All I've seen are promises are lies from you.  You want to show a stellar record, give us back our money.  We don't want your ring, your stones (which we don't believe you ever bought).  

 

So Michael, good luck trying to convince anyone of your lies.  We don't believe your lies about being swindled by your girlfriend.  We see you for what you are.  As I just said to you in the voicemail, eventually we will find you and legally serve you.  Until then, everyone will know how you deceived us.  

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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

The full story

AUTHOR: correction - ()

POSTED: Thursday, April 17, 2014

These individuals fail to mention that they signed a contract stating there are additional costs to changes made after the initial work order. They bombarded me with emails and texts changing the design more than three times and adding TWICE as many diamonds. They refused to pay any additional costs which created a stalemate. They then complained that things were not moving fast enough even though they refused to pay the additional costs.

There are no refunds on custom orders and they signed an agreement to that effect. Any personal attacks display immaturity, a desire to be spiteful and have no basis in facts. They are upset that they could not get more diamonds for less money. 

They also failed to mention they broke two wax molds and spent countless hours changing the design with me in thier home up to midnight in some cases since I came to them for thier convenience and never complained. I have a stellar record of over thirteen years and my clients are on every red carpet. They also crashed one of my red carpet charity events which was both inappropriate and awkward for everyone.

They threatened to use the internet in this way to harm my reputation if I did not refund their money plus get the diamonds and the wax mold which is absurd. I would warn any jeweler to beware of this couple as they want everything for nothing.I chose to relocate for reasons which are none of their business and whatever stories they wish to come up with do not help solve anything and is indicative of second graders. I am happy to show the signed work order ( which shows I gave them an OUTSTANDING deal) and the string of emails and texts demonstrating the frantic obsessive constant changes to the design to demostrate my point. Thank you

 

 

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