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Complaint Review: Niobrara Great Danes - Harrison Nebraska

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In June 2010 we purchased a blue female great dane puppy from Trish Hanson at Niobrara Great Danes in Nebraska. She arrived at our house on August 21st 2010 at 9 weeks of age. She suddenly dropped dead at my feet in my living room on August 8th 2011 at 13 months old.

During 11 months she was with us we had multiple vet visits for health issues starting upon her arrival. Upon arriving to us I knew something was not right as she had zero control over her bladder, we saw the vet multiple times for this during her first few weeks in our home, her testing eventually came back with extreme amounts of e-coli in her system. I did have many conversations with Trish about this; she listened but not helpful and did not offer any solutions, except for getting angry when I told her that she arrived with it and most likely had contracted it in the whelping area. I did not expect to receive a puppy that required hundreds of dollars of vet care within her first few weeks with us, especially since this was supposed to be a quality dog for which we paid $2200.

Over the next few months I found Trish to be quite responsive to my calls as I had many questions. My girl was very small and not growing as expected, I was surprised as Trish had told me that her dam was 33 & 135lbs and her sire was 36 1/2. She also had very bad haws and very high visible 3rd eyelids. In one of my conversations with Trish I asked about this and was told that her sire had eyes just like this but that it was a common and normal trait for great danes. I also asked why she was so small, to which I was told that her dam was small and only 30-31 which is 2-3 inches shorter than I was told before purchase.

We had also discussed health testing in depth and how important it was before our purchase, I was told that all health testing was done and that the dogs were retested every two years, after we started having some health issues I looked up the parents on OFA but they were not listed, in fact none of the dogs at Niobrara are listed. I contacted Trish about this, she responded that she does test but does not send the results in, so I asked to please send me copies of the tests done on the parents for my records. I received no response and at this point Trish became very hard to get hold of. I was never able to get her on the phone nor did she respond to my e-mails.

I sent many e-mails over the next few months as I had questions that only she could answer, that related to her line, I also called regularly and left messages to call me that I would like to talk and had questions no responsenot one.

The last time I actually got hold of Trish was in April 2011 when I actually got her on the phone, however she told me she was running out and would call me back in 10 mins, she never did nor did I hear from her again. Also in April my bitches allergies kicked in resulting in more vet visits, her haws were getting worse and her 3rd eyelids were getting higher. More unreturned calls. Life went on, we loved that dog, allergies, bad eyes, small, didnt matter she was our baby girl !!

On August 8th 2011, lovely lazy summer day, we had spent the day relaxing, nothing unusual at all. At 5.30pm she came over to me for some lovings, and laid on the floor at my feet, I was just about to get up and get her dinner ready when she let out an awful howl, I dived to the floor to her side, but she was DEAD. I was shocked it happened in a matter of seconds, literally I was right there, yet in the time it took me to dive to the floor she was gone.

I cant even describe how awful it was, my husband was deployed to Iraq and I was home alone. I was hysterical and devastated. My neighbors came over and helped me take her body to the vet. We did not even have her 1 full year, she was only 13 months old. I told the vet I wanted to necropsy but wanted to talk to my breeder first, they agreed they would hold her until they heard back from me.

I called Trish multiple times that evening, constantly, I called her cell, her home, I left messages on both phones. I e-mailed her, I posted on her facebook that I needed her. For some reason I thought I needed her, I dont know why, but she was my breeder. Thankfully two of my friends came over to be with me.

Trish finally picked up her phone at 7.20pm, I was hysterical I told her what happened, Trish said oh Im so very sorry, was she bit by snake, was she bit by a spider I said no I think she had a heart attack. I told her the vet was holding her body waiting to hear from me as I had requested a necropsy but told them I needed to talk to her first as I did not know what to do. I was so upset and all I could think of was that they would be cutting up my baby girl, I wanted answers but all I could think of was my poor sweet girl lying there dead and being cut open L

Trish said she was fine with whatever decision I made, that she understood and then said  when your heart has healed a bit give me a call and I will work with you on another puppy. While this conversation was happening my vet called my cell phone and my friend answered, they needed an answer as they could not hold her much longer, so we told them we would skip the necropsy and to go ahead and arrange her cremation.

That night I had to sit here and wait for my husband to call via skype from Iraq so I could tell him that we had lost our baby girl, he was due to come home 1 month later and our baby girl would not be here waiting for him.

Early the next morning I received a facebook message from Trish stating that she had spoken with her vet and that she had showed him pictures of my dog and that they were all in agreement that she did not have a heart condition, that it must have been something else

(not doing the necropsy came back and bit me fast)

We knew that we did not want to be worked with on another puppy from Trish b/c of what just happened and with the other problems she had during her short life we felt that another pup was out if the question as we did not want our hearts broken again. Trish at Niobrara Great Danes gives a 2 year health guarantee, and since our baby girl passed at only 13 months we felt a refund was the only option.

During this time I joined an online dane forum where I learned of other Niobrara dogs with health issues, some had allergies, some had cherry eye and entropian, and another died of auto immune. This of course only solidified our decision that we could in no way trust our health to another Niobrara puppy and a refund was in order.

So the messages started and yes they got nasty, our request for a refund was ignored, instead Trishs e-mails concentrated on talking in circles, using big words trying to confuse us, and deflection. She was angry that we were questioning her, yet we were the ones who lost our baby, WE had the right to be angry!

We also learned that our pups great grandsire died of a heart condition at 3 years old, to which she responded that he died of a heart condition b/c he was standing too close to a lightening strike. Also that her grandsire also died young, her story here is that he died from a run in with a porcupine. Once I told her about the other dogs that I knew about and their health issues she promptly deleted me as a friend and blocked me from her facebook. Still never addressing our request for a refund. Leaving many of my responses unanswered.

During the months that followed I learned of more dogs/pups from her program with health issues, and met other owners who have also been left high and dry and ignored by Trish. There is one in particular who is only 18 months old and is a genetic mess he is blind in one eye and partially blind in the other, he has severe allergies, and is very small, his owner has had no response to her many messages from Trish. Upon further research I also realized that many of her dogs die young even those on her in memory page died young, the average seems to be 4-6 years old.

After 6 months I finally felt ready/able to address Trish and some of her remarks she made in our earlier communications, also to address the lies that she told me before purchase, and of course to again address the fact that she never responded to our request for a refund even though we asked multiple times.

We had to do this via regular e-mail since she has me blocked on FB. She did respond although she did not address anything other than to say that I was being nasty and that she had offered me a replacement puppy and that I had to Feb 15th to tell her if I wanted one.

I told her that due to the number of dogs with health issues that I had learned about which I had mentioned in our previous communications and 3 more than I have learned about during the last few months, that we in no way wanted another pup from her, and that we were firm in our decision and felt the only option was a refund, which considering circumstances we felt any reasonable person would agree. There was no way we could trust our hearts to another of her pups, that would be setting ourselves up for the possibility of more heartbreak.

Trish responded stating that she would NOT refund our money, that we could not prove anything (not doing the necropsy coming back to bite me again) and that as far as she was concerned the dog died from eating something in our back yard, or a neighbor gave her a poisoned treat and we could not rove otherwise. She also stated that she was only responsible for the health of the pup up to when it left her, that after she arrived in our home WE were responsible for her health. So much for her 2 year health guarantee.

In closing I have found this whole experience distasteful and Trish to be a truly disgusting, nasty and dishonest person who refuses to stand behind the health of her pups. We had our girl less than a year we paid $2200 plus shipping, during the 11 months we had her, our vet bills totaled almost $1500 a lot for a supposedly healthy, well bred pup! We received zero support and are left heartbroken with a guarantee that was not honored!

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#16 General Comment

Pictures and Guarantee

AUTHOR: Dane lovers - ()

POSTED: Monday, August 12, 2013

 My question is, who took the many photos of the facility?  Those pictures speak VOLUMES about this operation.  How can a picture lie?, everything in the case that I have viewed was well documented, complete with maps etc

A GOOD or reputable breeder will allow you to visit, more importantly would encourage or WANT to meet the people that their dogs are being shipped to/sold to etc.

7 DAY Guarantee?  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?  Again, any GOOD breeder will guarantee an animal for upwards of two years and beyond.

Has anyone that bought a dog from Niobrara or Trish Hanson ever visited her home/operation.  I find it interesting to see how many people are vehemently defending her, yet are they just her friends, business associates?.  The pictures that I have been sent are absolutely heartbreaking if they are true.  Hard to defend if that is her place?  She should be put in a cage in mud for a couple of years if that is the truth.  TRAGIC what has happened to the people that have purchases canines with issues

Dumbfounded that this takes place and that people stoop to measures like this to make a few bucks.  Disgusting

 

 

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#15 Consumer Comment

Check State Laws

AUTHOR: Irena - (United States of America)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 29, 2013

Malvern,

I would check out the NE state laws. Every State is different so you might just want to check them out. Just because a web site states the deposit in NONREFUNDABLE or the breeder says its nonrefundle doesn't mean that is a legally enforcable agreement. If you gave reasonable notice and time for her to find a replacement puppy in most states the deposit MUST LEGALLY be returned. Just because you have a contract, it doesn't make it legal! A lot of people don't understand that a lot of breeders will write a contract and it's NOT legally binding in some areas. That's why you should ALWAYS have your attorney look over and review any contract BEFORE you sign it!

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#14 Consumer Comment

You asked for opinions!

AUTHOR: daneowner - (United States of America)

POSTED: Monday, January 28, 2013

I don't know you at all, and I obviously don't want to knowing what I know now.  I simply replied to every FACTUAL thing that you stated in your post.  I simply addressed the things that YOU complained about. From your years of helpful and informative contact with Trish to the supposed current events. You asked for an opinion on your situation and I gave it. Thats what happens in a public forum. No, you changed your mind, for whatever reason you want to state here. Your not entitled to a refund unless a breeder cannot provide the puppy that you reserved. 

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#13 Consumer Comment

WOW, I am so sorry, what was I thinking!

AUTHOR: my fault I should have known better - (United States of America)

POSTED: Monday, January 28, 2013

So I guess you don't think I am entitled to getting my deposit back, that is all I was asking. For the record, Sacramento were you a party to any of Our conversations, I don't remember you. I am in no way bashing Niobrara Great Danes or Trish Hanson, I just want to know if others in the industry think I am entitled to a refund. Well I have my answer and appreciate everyone's time. PS. Sacremento , I don't know how you know me so well, I don't believe we ever met.

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#12 Consumer Comment

Dear Should Have Known Better......

AUTHOR: daneowner - (United States of America)

POSTED: Monday, January 28, 2013

 Refunding of any deposit would strictly be a courtesy on any breeders part. Was the puppy you reserved not available to you?  Did the puppy die? Did she take your deposit and not send you the dog you reserved? THIS IS THE ONLY WAY A DEPOSIT SHOULD BE REFUNDED .  You are saying that YOU chose to cancel your reservation correct?  It says on almost every website you visit that deposits are non refundable. I know it says this in more that one place on this breeders website as I own Danes from her.  Bashing her on this site probably wasn't the smartest move you have made if, to this point, so you say,  she has never wronged you. People are amazing and you are a follower just like so many others that just enjoy causing trouble if you can. And, as I just read your post again, that would make these puppies just 8 weeks old now if they were born December 5, 2012.  So you are filing a complaint when this has only been a matter of a few weeks and they are not even old enough to go to new homes yet? Wow!!!! And you are b*tchin already!!! I hope  Trish never  places a dog with you.

You said in your post that you have visited with her for years. So she had time for you for years, but you are going to do this in a matter of a few weeks. The vast amount of time that breeders have wasted in their careers on people like you is amazing because you will turn on them in a heartbeat. I don't know how any breeder does it honestly.   You would have been a nightmare owner to deal with if you are behaving like this now. No wonder all of the good breeders want to quit breeding dogs!!! The people are ridiculous to deal with. I always thought it would be such a great thing to be a breeder. I view that so differently now. I wouldn't wish the sh*t they put up with on anyone. Its too bad that your kid has allergies but how is that a breeders problem? If a dog had allergies we probably would have heard from you anyway on this site right? Birds of a feather flock together.

Trish I hope you are thanking your lucky stars that this person cancelled or whatever they did. Who knows the true reason but "allergies " is the one they posted here. Because this site is full of so much TRUTH as we all know.  You probably decided you wanted another color or bought one closer to home and are just going to bash Trish in order to get some cash. Seems to be the way this goes these days doesn't it. Buyers remorse when they find one closer to home to buy for less money. Who hasn't seen that ? I'm sorry again Trish if your reading this. I will have your back always because I love my dogs and you have been nothing but great to work with for years.  Be glad that this person isn't getting one of your babies as they aren't deserving of it.  What a follower!!!! I'll have to find out who you are exactly in case you are contacting other breeders about a puppy now or in the future. I'm sure that won't be hard to find out now will it.

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#11 Consumer Comment

My fault I should have done more research

AUTHOR: my fault I should have known better - (United States of America)

POSTED: Monday, January 28, 2013

This rebuttal is completely factual to my interaction with Trish Hanson of Niobrara G.D. About four year ago, I was looking for a Great Dane and found Niobrara and contacted Trish about her dogs and potential litters. Her dogs looked very impressive over the internet and Trisha was very informative about her dogs. I didn't make any purchases at that time as the timing wasn't right. I again contacted TRish 2 years ago with the same request looking for a puppy, she gave me a ton of info and was very helpful, but I still didn't purchase because I wasn't completely ready. Move to November of 2012, I contacted Trish, ready to purchase, sent her a $500. deposit for the first pick black mail, Pups were born 12/5/2012 and my family was very excited. I sent another $500.00 deposit and waited for the pup to grow. In the meantime my family was very excited and attended a Great Dane dog show to ease our anticipation.  This is where the trouble starts while at the show we find out that my 12 year old son is extremely allergic to Great Danes. We weren"t sure it was the great danes so went back the next day and same allergic reaction. I immediately contacted Trish to let her know we couldn't buy the puppy and it this time I think the puppies were two weeks old and the litter was only five pups. I asked for my deposits back, as I assumed that given my circumstances and the young age and limited # of pups I thought she could easily find a home for the first pick black male. Trish, initially was responding to my emails and texted and then it stopped. I realize that refunds are normally not refundable, but there are different circumstances that I thought would warrant at least refunding one of my $500.00 deposits. I know nothing about the original posters problems and never had any with this breeder, but I think it would be fair to give me some $ back. What do you think am I completely wrong?

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#10 Consumer Comment

LOVE Niobrara & Trish & Great Danes

AUTHOR: sashadually - (Canada)

POSTED: Saturday, January 05, 2013

Hi my name is Sasha, Im from british columbia. Me and my spouse have 4 year old great dane from Trish, He is a blue, 180 pound gentle giant. We had been wanting a great dane for years and years before we finally got him. But we looked online at LOTS of different breeders world wide. We honestly looked every day for over a year. We came across Trish website, we
looked at it every day for a couple weeks, we emailed her.. and called her asked a million questions, we have different time zones, but trish was always free to talk to us, at all hours of the day.. even when we were just interested in getting a puppy.. we took her info and website stuff talked to dog ppl in our community, still browsed other breeders none of the other danes& breeders we came across compared to trish and her danes.. BEST LOOKING DANES ever come from niobrara!! And trish was great as well.. we knew after lots of reaserch we needed a dane from trish, we put a deposit down, puppies were not born yet.. and we wanted a very specific one, male, blue, etc. so we waited till the right one was born.

During that time our vet had said.. great danes do have some health issues that
smaller dogs do not have.. amazing creatures but you have to reaserch and learn
about each breed differently.. each breed is so different. We took his advice..
and the reaserch of great danes and care started we went to great dane shows,
we googled everything on them got books etc. We learned that great danes are completely
different then your average dog, it would cost us more for food, and we would
have to get him dog insurance, and we still were totally ok with our choice on getting one

Finally the day came our baby was on a plane ride.. home to us! He arrived and was sooooo perfect!!! he was the
BEST puppy we have ever had, never chewed anything, never had accidents, but we were also very attentive parents, always playing with him, taking him out every hour to go to bathroom, he had lots of toys to keep busy, he was around lots of
other animals, we wanted to socialize him well with other animals and kids.

Around 1, he did start having some allergies.. we took him for his routine check ups, vet said he has food allergies.. and we should switch his food.. he said kibble is not the best for great danes he really likes raw food for danes he has seen it work really well with finiky great danes with allergies etc So we did our reasearch again, called around.. even called trish. Met this amazing lady who owns a natural dog store.. who also is a huge believer in raw for danes. She met with dually and saw his needs.. said yes food allergie and we put him on raw food. within 1 week, his allergies were gone and he was loving
it!! Fur looked amazing, it is more expensive but we wouldnt change him eating raw for anything.. we again knew great danes are more costly then a little dog. so we pay around $350-400$ per month for his food, raw food plus vitamins/salmon oil/ veggie mix for raw food.. and its worth every penny.She told us as well.. she has lots of danes with allergies that come in and when they pay close attention and make all these little changes for them.. it helps!!

We got him neutered at the correct age.. called trish to talk to her about all that as well.He has had his ears
done when he was a puppy too, called trish about every detail on this.. she has always been there for us and dually thru everything.

We have always taken him fot routine checks at vets.. he likes going haha, and we think of him like a
human.. we go for routine checks all the time.. so he should do.. vet always has said hes amazing this dog, were so on top of him..

The only thing dually has encountered is cherry eye saw it right away.. and took him to vets.. vet said
its cherry eye.. he fixed it that day.. there I guess is a couple ways to fix it.. he did the least invasive to try that first.. and said we may need to come back.. just to watch it.. and we asked him hows this happen etc.. he said it
happens in LOTS of dogs.. not just danes.. its almost all big breed dogs, he sees it every day.. and in little dogs with pushed in faces and droopy eyes, bull dogs etc. said nothing genetic at all.. just one of those things.. and its not a big deal. a few months later same thing happened in that eye that he said we may need to reassess.. went back he fixed it now 3 years later never had another issue.and in that 3 years I had 5 personally friends or family members
whos dogs ( not danes ) all have cherry eye happen and vets said same thing to them. Its very commen.

I just want to say this ladys comments about how trish is awful and her dogs are awful.. DO NOT even come
close to the truth. I can say I know from experience this lady is out to lunch
crazy. I bet you did not reaserch danes and all danes world wide health issues.
and how to care for a great dane.. and every day things you need to do for your
dane how to feed and stuff. And the fact you did not run tests on your dog
after it passed away shows you right there.. you must have done something, or
missed something when caring for your dane. Any persons dog who passes away in
seconds would demand every test in the world be done to see why.. and what
caused it. Could have been a million self inflicted reasons.

And other people posting about cherry eye etc.. like really? every dog any breed any where will incounter
cherry eye.. and or have allergies.. just like humans. But learn how to care for all the things and you will be fine.

Trish has always been amazing with us I have even become friends with other ppl she has sold danes too.. in the
usa, we compare dog stories photos, and tips and tricks.. and talk about things
that come up with the danes all of us share the same amazing experience with trish and her danes.

Dually is now 4 years old eats like a king, spoiled rotten, has a special bed, has a higher feeder so he doesnt
have to bend down to eat as danes should, he eats raw to control his allergies.
He is on vitamins, he gets the perfect amount of excerise and the correct kind
for danes, he always goes for vet checks, the second I see a whisker out of
place im calling the vet.. ( not really a whisker.. but you get it ) were so on
top of his body and him we dont ignore anything.

and guess what we looked at his paws and there was a rash should I call trish and blame her for it and freak
out and write on the internet about it. lol NO! I called booked a vet appointment and he said its an allergie to the salt they put out on our streets when its snowing and icey.. told us how to take care of it.. and bam!! were totally ok now!!

Its so funny to me these people writing these crazy comments.

Trish if your reading this we love you!! and dually does too! were so thankfull to have him.. we will
eventually get dually a friend and we will always be getting our danes from
trish!! And thank you for connecting all your dane owners on facebook to become
friends its so nice to be friend the normal ppl and there danes! J and to the out to lunch lady.. dont
get any other animals ever.. heaven for bit one got an allergy or something.

Theres some ppl who shouuld have pets and others who should not.

I LOVE DANES! and niobrara danes!!





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#9 Consumer Comment

Niobrara Great Danes, Amazing Animals, High Integrity

AUTHOR: Ms. D - (United States of America)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 29, 2012

I would give Niobrara Great Danes my very highest of recommendations, not only for the quality of the dogs, but the quality and integrity of the people who breed them. 

I purchased a Blue Great Dane from Niobrara a little over three years ago.  My Izze (Londons Lady Izabelle) is the most beautiful creature I have ever seen.  She is in picture perfect health and always has been.  She is ridiculously athletic I have never seen a creature so adept at jumping and juking as this dog is.  And she is as sweet and gentle as the rain.  She is the light of my life, and I am so very thankful to have her.

When I was looking for a dog, the process I went through was detailed, and in fact talked to the breeder multiple times, and at one time for three hours on the phone.  She cares about her dogs, and cares to find them the best homes she can, and stops the process dead cold if she is questioning the applicants ability to love and care for the dog.  Whenever I have had a question about Izze, I have picked up the phone, and always had an answer from Trish. 

I would think before disparaging someones good name, you might consider a burden of proof instead of simply spouting off.  Animals should be loved and charished, and I feel very very sorry for the complaintents pet right now.

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#8 Consumer Comment

Why are there no vet statements or proof of accusations required here?

AUTHOR: daneowner - (United States of America)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 05, 2012

Has anyone else that has read all of this wondered why there is not one vet statement provided by anyone that owns these dogs? They cannot get their vets to write them a statement? My vet would write me a statement on the spot for anything I asked for. I could provide medical records on my dogs and yet no one here has provided a medical history or any type of proof of any accusations.

I own 3 Niobrara Great Danes and I also have extensive medical/veterinary experience. I have worked with them for over 12 years on my dogs . My dogs are all 3 wonderful , healthy , beautiful dogs. I cannot speak highly enough of this breeder and the lengths she will go to for her puppy families.

Allergies are not hereditary. My daughter has allergies that neither me or my wife have. Use some common sense people! IBD can have NUMEROUS causes. Stress and ulcers caused by some owners can cause this also. Dane puppies get puppy acne, period. If it isn't handled, it will get staph in it. Neos, Sharpei's , Mastiff puppies, they will get it also. Handle it. Like you do when your 3 year old gets a wart on their hand or head lice , don't blame genetics. My God.

This breed is predisposed AS A BREED to many different things. Research of the breed and what is predisposed to is free on the internet. Every breed has issues. DON'T GET A PUREBRED buy a mutt unless you are willing to buy into the risks of the breed. People contact Niobrara for the extreme look of her dogs and the European lineage that she has. They have big , dripping faces which is what YOU ALL WANTED and is what I wanted or you wouldn't have contacted her.

She is very clear that they can invert a cartilage during heavy faced growth periods and they may have to have the cartilage injected and surgery is a possibility. THE PRICE YOU PAY FOR WANTING THAT LOOK! I know that all of the honest puppy families would tell you she had this talk with all of them. Sharpei's have eyes tacked, mandatory most of the time. Neo's have eyes tacked, most of the time. Bulldogs have respiratory issues.... DO YOUR RESEARCH!
 
Here is a simple online list of issues that Great Danes are predisposed to:

Subaortic stenosis
Cataracts
Deafness
Demodicosis/ Demodectic mange
Ectropion
Entropion
Glaucoma
Hypothyroidism
Megaesophagus
Microphthalmia; ocular dysgenesis
Mitral valve dysplasia
Persistent right aortic arch ( vascular ring anomaly )
Progressive retinal atrophy
Tricuspid valve dysplasia
zinc-responsive dermatosis

I am personal friends with 4 different Veterinarians that own multiple , BEAUTIFUL Danes from Niobrara and she is recommended to every client that inquires about owning a Great Dane.

I think if they have DVM behind their name, they hold a bit more weight than uneducated speculation from pet owners on a witch hunt.

I would personally like to see , as I'm sure would most consumers, veterinary statements saying that the issues the dog has had are strictly genetic , and that they hold the breeder responsible.

I would really like to see some type of proof that the original poster's dog is deceased. A vet statement? Necropsy showing cause of death? Until then its nothing more than good internet garbage and nothing more. Did they sell the dog and break the contract with Niobrara? Did they medically neglect a problem with the dog and not seek medical attention? Did they let the dog run off and not protect her? Where is the DOG???


This shouldn't be hard to provide. I would also like to see a refusal ,in print, from Niobrara Great Danes, that anyone of these people should have ,saying Niobrara will not replace their dog if it is diagnosed with a genetic condition. In 12 years I have never seen a complaint one on these dogs or Trish Hanson. SHOW US ALL THE PROOF.

My best advice to anyone reading here is to contact Niobrara yourself with any and all questions you have. You won't find someone more black and white and honest than Trish Hanson and she would gladly provide NUMEROUS references for anyone to contact along with veterinarians names and numbers for you to visit with.She will also willingly share proof of all correspondence in these matters as she shared them all with me so I KNOW both sides of the story. Everyone can see too if you inquire. Go look through the beautiful pictures and happy families on FB that rave daily about their dogs!! Search Niobrara Great Danes. The number of loyal familes FAR out weighs the 3 with no proof on here.

Its my understanding that the original poster has agreed to the demand from Niobrara's attorney to cease and desist . Being sued for Slander/Libel is not something I would want hanging over my head. As I stated before, check the facts.

Birds of a feather flock together........

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#7 Consumer Comment

Love our Dane from Niobrara

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (United States of America)

POSTED: Monday, May 21, 2012

I purchased a great Dane from Trish in May of 2010. She is a beautiful 140 lb black Dane, with a silky shiny coat. Just had her 2nd birthday in march. We couldn't be happier with this dog. She makes us laugh daily, and is a social butterfly. I can't wait to get up every morning to see what she has "borrowed" from all of our neighbors. Luckily we have nice neighbors who all know and love her too. She has no health issues except eye allergies which are seasonal and treated with drops. Just like I have developed in the last 5 or 6 years myself! There are 2 sides to every story.
We love our Dane and she is a wonderful funny entertaining member of our family.

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#6 General Comment

Facts are Facts

AUTHOR: S2985 - (United States of America)

POSTED: Friday, March 23, 2012

I think the #5 Individual respondent "Jeffrey" speaks for itself as to the type of people that are associated with this breeder.  If you are looking to purchase a Great Dane from this breeder I would stear clear!

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#5 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Owner of Great Dane Is full of S**t

AUTHOR: Jeffrey - (United States of America)

POSTED: Friday, March 23, 2012

Dear Wack Job Lady,

I own two Great Danes from this CO. They have brought great joy to my life. I would only get my Danes from her.

As far as you, you are nothing but a piece of s**t who please if you dont have kids dont have any get your self fixed ASAP. If you do they should run and run fast and not turn around. There is a better place for them. I hope that you are just a scammmmmer and the Dane is still on the earth. It will be in a better home that your's.

If all you are looking for is money, I will be more than happy to roll my change and send it to you.

I will even send you my e-mail address if you would love to have it.

PS please dont smell the rolled change because it will be covered in my Great Dane's s**t from the back yard.





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#4 Consumer Comment

I have a Niobrara Dog

AUTHOR: Vulpine - (United States of America)

POSTED: Monday, March 19, 2012

Trish sold me a gorgeous Fawn male and I have had ZERO health problems with him.  She has been very responsive to any questions I have and very helpful if I need help.  I would happily recommend Trish as a breeder, and one of my puppy owner's has bought one of Trish's pups on my recommendation.  There are always 2 sides to every story. 

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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Oscar

AUTHOR: Niobrara - (United States of America)

POSTED: Friday, February 10, 2012

Irena, you know that you have never sent me an email nor have you called me to discuss Oscar. You posted a picture of him with the report that you would have to wait and see as he grew. I have the thread. That was the last I heard. Never have you contacted me to give me a final diagnosis and we could remedy the situation. Not once. Now this. Again, no vet report has been sent to me, nor has the dog been returned to me for a remedy. These posts on FB are YOUR POSTS and never did you contact me when you had a final diagnosis from a vet. This was the last that I saw about anything. You show me where you have contacted me to talk to me about a remedy.

Irena Kit-Kelso: It should, but it will be a wait and see process. Dr will go in to fix the entropion and see if he can "fix" anything else...chances are he will not, but at least with the entropion gone Oscar will have better vision and less likely to damage his corneas. We are going to have him neutered while he's under because I will not risk passing this on to pups. He's a great dog tho otherwise!

Irena Kit-Kelso:
This will make my second blue male neutered within a years time...our first is a big Euro boy who stands 37" and weighs 215# started doing clearences and found out he has SAS...He was neutered within 2 wks of this discovery! And yes Oscar i...s Blue his color is off because he was blowing coat big time!!! Hate when they shed their puppy fur!!! Spaying and neutering MUST be part of any good breeding program. Faults like Oscar's are NOT that of the Breeder (unless they where aware of the problems in the line and continued to breed it) but those of the genetic crap shot! Everything that is considered "GENETIC" cannot be the fault of a breeder... it would be like you blaming your parents and grandparents and great grandparents ETC for YOUR EVERY FLAW, because it is EXACTLY the same thing! But on the flip side a breeder should do whats right and take those "flaws" out of her lines by spaying and neutering. That's why a breeder should know their lines and genetics behind them!

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Irena Kit-Kelso: I might add... I do NOT blame Oscar's breeder for his problems, it's just the luck of the draw. However, McFly's breeder is another story! She knew about the underlying heart condition and elected to breed and NEVER told anyone it was there!!! AND SHE CONTINUES TO BREED THIS LINE ANY WAYS WITH KNOWING THE "TIME BOMB" IS THERE IN HER LINE!!!

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Oscar

AUTHOR: Irena - (United States of America)

POSTED: Thursday, February 09, 2012

I purchased a puppy for the show ring from Trish. He is currently 18 months old and has only made it into the ring once! He was 12 weeks old when he enter his only puppy match. His show career was over just as fast as it started... Although no fault of mine, I was eager to show him and get him out in the ring. It started with his ears. I opted to leave his ears natural and boy were they ever natural...he could stand those things all by himself! That is not Trish's fault, it's a risk with ears whether natural or cropped, there's never a gaurantee on ears. At approx 6 months of age Oscar devloped Ectropion in his left eye and was seen by my vet. within a few months after that his eyes started to "sink" back into his eye sockets and the top of his lids started to over grow the eye. Oscar was seen by my primary vet who in turn refered him to an eye specialist where he was diagnosed with what is called pagoda eye (it happend with both eyes). This is a genetic eye issue.

Most of this happened right around mid-June when Oscar turned 1 yr old. Trish had called me to ask me something about someone. During this conversation I had told Trish what was going on with Oscar and he had an appointment with the specialist the following week. After that appointment I spoke with Trish and informed her as to what the specialist said: Oscar is blind in his left eye and is partialy blind in his right and may need surgery on his eyes in the future if Dr Bowersox thought it could restore vision in his left eye and keep sight in the right. He would not consider any surgery until at least until Oscar is 2 and his head is finished growing. Oscar requires monthly checkups to chart his progression. At Oscar's last appointment at the end of Dec 2011 it was deemed Oscar's sight could NOT be corrected by surgery after being seen by another specialist. 2 canine eye specialists stated Oscar's vision could not be corrected via surgery.

Oscar my show dog cannot be shown. He just turned 18 months old and has been nuetered due to this GENETIC eye problem. At 18 months of age Oscar only stands at 30" at the withers and is a whopping 128 pounds! Wow what a big boy he is! Oscar along with his short stature also has straight rear angles (which are basically non-exsistant) which puts him at high risk for possible tears to his CLC which will be more expensive surgery for this poor boy. Along with those Oscar also has SEVER food and enviromental allergies. With is allergies he is also now being treated for IBS.

I have sent several messages, emails and phone calls to Trish, including posting this info with pictures on Trish's Facebook wall. I have not to dated recieved return contact from Trish. When Trish sent me pics of the pups when they were young (like a week to 2 wks old) Oscar had a swollen eye and Trish said there wouldn't be a problem and she would gaurantee this puppy (Yes, I do still have the emails!!!!). If guaranteeing  this puppy meant if he has a problem she would guarantee me no further contact, then I guess she filled her guarantee!!!

Trish, since you won't return contact... PLEASE NOTE Oscar has a genetic eye problem and he is blind in his left eye and partially blind in his right!!! YOUR LINES ARE CARRYING THIS ISSUE!!! You may now wish to CERF them by a specialist and not your regular vet, to determine who (if not both parents) is the carrier!!!

It is known that after Trish was told about Oscar and his picture and story posted on her wall (never to acknoledge him or me)has breed these parents again!  Oscar is now nuetered and living with a GREAT family that loves him dearly. Shame his breeder doesn't care as much. Yes, I too have had problems with my Dane from Niobrara Great Danes and Yes, I too have been ignored by Trish Hanson. Good thing Oscar has me and a loving home to care for him!!!

Wish I knew how to post Oscar's picture to this report so you can all see his eyes.

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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Niobrara Great Danes

AUTHOR: Niobrara - (United States of America)

POSTED: Thursday, February 09, 2012

Niobrara Great Danes is a Nebraska State Licensed and inspected kennel as well as an AKC inspected kennel.  We are inspected YEARLY and very thoroughly on the health of our Danes and our records. A veterinarian is required to sign also on the care and health of our Danes which is Dr. Justin Welsh at Pioneer Animal Clinic in Scottsbluff Neb. He has exclusively been the veterinarian for this program for over 8 years. He is also the veterinarian that does the health exams for the puppies before they go on their flights to their new homes.

We have an extensive Puppy Questionaire/Contract that is filled out by potential owners and sent to us agreeing to our terms which I can provide. Never in the lifetime of the dog can it be sold, given away or rehomed. It must be returned to Niobrara at the owners expense if they are no longer able to care for the dog.  Pet puppies are sold on a limited registration, and are on a contract to be spayed or neutered by 11 months of age. This will insure that our dogs are not bred, but they also cannot compete in AKC conformation shows.  These terms were all agreed to by this family also and the questionaire /contract was sent to me and I do have it.

New owners are requested to have their puppy to a vet within 48 hours of their flight landing to insure the health of the puppy . If there is a problem with the puppy, the puppy is to be returned to Niobrara Great Danes immediately and another puppy of equal value would be provided to them.  This has never happened in the history of this program.  We do not guarantee against any virus, such as parvo or distemper, as a puppy could pick this up anywhere and they have one vaccine when they leave here and the new owner is responsible for all vaccinations after this.
 
As with all breeders, we guarantee against a genetic condition making this dog unsuitable as a pet or causing its death. We will replace a puppy that would fall in this category, but this does require a veterinary statement as an owner cannot possibly diagnose a genetic condition. At no time do we agree to pay vet bills for a dog. If there is a problem with a dog, it needs to be returned to us and we will provide a replacement of equal value. This is standard for almost all breeders of any animal.

There has never been a vet statement of ANY health problems with this dog sent to us. I have requested a statement from a vet on ANY health problem or cause of death. Never has anything been provided.Nor is it being provided here.    There has never been a request to return the dog because it was unhealthy. I have the beautiful photos taken by the owner of her and the continued request that she wanted to start showing the dog in AKC shows. Do you request to show a dog and have her registration moved from limited to full registration if she is unhealthy and has health issues? 

Allergies in dogs are very common and are usually food based , this is the owners responsibility to make sure they are feeding a quality kibble that does not contain lots of corn or chicken by products. They cannot feed a poor quality kibble and continue to cause a problem and then hold a breeder responsible for it. I have no more control over a dog having allergies than I do with my children being allergic to something. 

There are a million reasons that could be for a sudden death in a Dane. They are an unhealthy breed as a whole and this is common knowledge. Bacteria, clostridial problem, brain anurysm, poison, accute allergic reaction to a bite i.e spider, bee, snake, heart problem.Not one time in all of her supposed vet visits was there anything documented about this dog having  a heart murmur or any kind of a heart problem. These can all cause a sudden death. Thus the reason for a necropsy to be done.
 
I said I wanted a necropsy but the owner was hysterical and said she did not want to do it. I didn't want to upset her any further than she already was . This death could be completely of their fault but I did not question for one minute that I would offer to replace their dog regardless of if it was their fault. I offered immediately on the phone to replace to replace the dog when she was ready for a new one. I did not in anyway have to do this as it very easily could have been the owners fault that the dog died.  I am in Nebraska and they are in California. If I cannot get a veterinary statement on the dog, I'm to just go on what an uneducated owner is telling me they "believe"  happened? No.  They owned the dog for a year and a replacement was offered repeatedly, when I was in no way responsible to do so as they had not provided proof that the dog passed away from a genetic condition nor had there been a vet statement that the dog in anyway had a health problem that COULD cause her death.  Was there a lack of vet care? Was she dealing with normal puppy things that a vet would not lay blame to breeding? probably.

You cannot go online with  uneducated speculation and make slanderous accusations. I have numerous puppy families that own 2 and 3 Danes from us that are thrilled with their dogs and the job I do as their breeder. They have come back to us for years and would never get a Dane from anyplace else.  This owner is making accusations that she does not have proof of any of her statements. She does not have statements from other owners saying they have had a Dane that died of a genetic condition  that they purchased from us because there are none. So I find it amazing that with not one vet statement, nor another owner writing a statement that they have had a dog die of a genetic condition , that this can be taken as anything other than garbage.  Until this owner can provide proof of any wrong doing on my part, when I have offered a remedy that I was not in any way required to offer, this is nothing but slanderous defaming  accusations . My attorney will add this to the pile of slander that she is building. 

Slander :Any intentional false communication, either written or spoken, that harms a person's reputation; decreases the respect, regard, or confidence in which a person is held; or induces disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against a person.
Defamation may be a criminal or civil charge. It encompasses both written statements, known as libel, and spoken statements, called slander. 

I have kept all correspondence and my repeated offers to this family. I would be happy to share with anyone. I have also kept the puppy questionaire/ contract that they completed and sent to me. I also will be happy to provide a statement from my veterinarian on the health of my Danes as well as numerous statements from families that own Danes from Niobrara. I am also happy to provide my state license number to anyone.
 
 This is a woman that called me constantly wanting me to hold her hand through wanting to show her "unhealthy" dog and wanted to have 3 hour conversations constantly.  I have a family and dogs that need my attention and 60 other puppy families from over the years that will call with their updates or questions on feeding or vaccinations . I spend a great deal of time on the phone interviewing families and helping with rescues and Danes in need. I don't have time for 3 hour conversations constantly about "showing" . If she wants to show, go to a show. If you have a problem with your dog, go to the vet and report back to me with a vet statement. Of course I want updates. But we all will have some families that believe they are the ONLY ONE . This woman does not have children and her husband is out of the states. She doesn't have the level of work involved for her everyday that I have and I cannot be expected to always be available when she expects me to have time for her.
 
If it is an emergency, ABSOLUTELY I will make time. There was never an emergency, or a sick dog, or a dog that was throwing up, or had a high fever, was losing weight, or was lethargic or there would of course be vet record of her being seen ...correct??

I want to see proof as should this site want to see proof. I want to see proof that she had health problems from a vet. Not her own uneducated speculation that cannot be medically verified. I want to see proof from other owners of a Niobrara Dane that has died of a genetic condition. It has never happened  in the history of this program

This is nothing but an owner that doesn't want to be held responsible for the health of her dog at all. She has no accountability in her death, it just must be someone elses fault. If that were the case, then why not have the necropsy done??  Because it could have very easily shown that SHE was responsible for the dogs death.
 
I still would have made the same offer to her of another puppy, even if it was her fault, because she was heartbroken and I still would have tried to make things better for her. 

 Nebraska The buyer must have the pet examined by a licensed veterinarian within 7 businesses days after receiving the animal. The law covers the consumer if one of the following conditions are met: 1) A serious health problem that the veterinarian believes existed at the time of sale is documented within 7 days 2) A serious health problem, including congenital or hereditary defects and any other contagious disease that causes severe illness or death, is diagnosed within 15 months after the date of birth of the pet. If the animal dies, the seller must refund the full purchase price upon return of the animal to the seller or an exchange for a pet animal of the buyers choice of equivalent value will be made, or reimbursement for reasonable veterinary fees up to the purchase price will be made. If the animal does not die, the seller must refund the purchase price or exchange the pet for one of the buyers choice of equivalent value and reimburse for reasonable vet fees not to exceed half of the purchase price of the animal.  

I have been a much better breeder and friend than what the State of Nebraska requires me to do. She said herself that I have offered a remedy of a new puppy repeatedly.  It also says she must require proof of diagnosis....she has none. This is nothing but slanderous accusations and I want it stopped.  

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