Report: Ravenwolf Shepherds
Category: Con Artists
Ravenwolf Shepherds illegal contracts, fraud, internet deception Ripoff Momence Bradly Illinois Martin Reelfoot Tennessee
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Ravenwolf Shepherds
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Reelfoot, Tennessee,
U.S.A.
Submitted: 2/27/2006 11:22:44 AM
Modified: 6/22/2006 4:33:00 PM
Patricia
Rolling Hills Estates, CaliforniaIn December of 2005, I gave Gayle Barnes a $1,000.00 deposit on a pick of the litter male that was to be born at the end of January. Ravenwolfshepherds.com is her website and (at that time) had an address and contact phone numbers in Bradley Illinois along with numerous references (most of them dated in 2003-2004). Ms. Barnes had me send the check to Martin, TN where she said she was staying for the winter.
I sent Ms. Barnes several emails in the month of January, inquiring about my puppy. She did not respond until I told her that I wanted my deposit refunded. In addition, all contact information had been removed from the site along with her phone numbers being disconnected.
She finally responded in February letting me know that the mother of my puppy only had two pups, one male and one female (so much for pick of the litter). I asked to see pictures yet she said that her computer was broken (kind of funny how she could modify the website without a computer??). I asked to come and see the puppy and she refused since she indicated that no respectable breeder lets anyone visit their puppies because of diseases.
I then asked her for her address and phone number. She did send a phone number yet the message clearly states that she is out of town until the middle of March and cannot return calls. My puppy will be 8 weeks old on March 31, 2006 yet I have no contact with this women to have him inspected by another breeder and to pick him up. I have contacted authorities and they will file charges against her on April 3rd if she does not deliver the puppy in good health.
I was able to locate a News Paper in Momence, Il who did a story on Ms. Barnes. They are very interested in the story once I press charges. I guess they also had a bad experience with her. In addition, there is a law firm in Chicago who is looking for her since apparently she has taken someone elses money or has not lived up to her contract.
I'm a web developer and her website is a fraud. She currently has removed all of the pages EXCEPT for the puppies for sale page and a big red disclosure that all deposits are non-refundable under any condition. Myself and my developers have been screen shotting the site daily and it's amazing what she has been removing.
This women needs to be shut down. I have logged complaints on numberous sites with quite a few individuals helping to locate her so I can either see/pickup my puppy or serve her with a law suit.
Any help that anyone could give would be greatly appreciated. I suspect that my money and puppy are long gone yet really don't want anyone else to go through the disappointment and fustration that I have gone through.
Thank You
Patricia
Rolling Hills Estates, California
U.S.A.
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Updates & Rebuttals:
- nonrefundable deposits Susan [3/2/2006 8:30:48 AM]
- nonrefundable deposits Susan [3/5/2006 11:43:49 AM]
- Patricia Lisa [3/6/2006 8:13:56 AM]
- JUMPING THE GUN Anthony [3/6/2006 9:54:39 AM]
- Response to Susan in Illinois Patricia [3/6/2006 10:01:04 AM]
- What breeder? Lisa [3/6/2006 10:42:56 AM]
- Response to What Breeder Patricia [3/6/2006 12:20:49 PM]
- BAD ATTITUDE Anthony [3/6/2006 1:26:51 PM]
- PATRICIA Anthony [3/6/2006 1:58:48 PM]
- PICK UP Anthony [3/6/2006 2:29:00 PM]
- Trained for a Temperment Test Kathy [3/6/2006 2:58:04 PM]
- Those aren't German Imports Kathy [3/6/2006 3:10:34 PM]
- Sue Lisa [3/6/2006 3:42:49 PM]
- Patrica This is what a WHOis lookup found. Cellular [3/6/2006 4:21:30 PM]
- IMPORTS Anthony [3/6/2006 4:32:49 PM]
- METHHEAD Anthony [3/6/2006 4:59:24 PM]
- really classy Susan [3/6/2006 5:51:23 PM]
- That was out of line Kathy [3/7/2006 7:08:28 AM]
- Response to Kathy about Breeding Patricia [3/7/2006 10:16:00 AM]
- Since you know that site :-) Kathy [3/7/2006 1:21:27 PM]
- unreal Susan [3/7/2006 1:23:13 PM]
- I am with you Sue Anthony [3/7/2006 3:19:50 PM]
- Found another victim Patricia [3/7/2006 3:49:20 PM]
- Oh Come On Kathy [3/7/2006 4:25:08 PM]
- patricia Susan [3/7/2006 9:45:58 PM]
- HIDE AND SEEK Anthony [3/8/2006 5:01:29 AM]
- Response to Your Threat Patricia [3/8/2006 8:01:32 AM]
- patricia Susan [3/8/2006 8:43:11 AM]
- You still won't admit Kathy [3/8/2006 12:24:39 PM]
- You still won't admit Kathy [3/8/2006 12:25:55 PM]
- Wake Up Lisa [3/8/2006 2:16:53 PM]
- Just a Comment Sara [3/8/2006 2:44:05 PM]
- Kathy Lisa [3/8/2006 4:16:29 PM]
- Thank You to Kathy Patricia [3/8/2006 4:37:26 PM]
- DUHHHHHH Anthony [3/8/2006 5:18:33 PM]
- kathy Susan [3/8/2006 6:45:48 PM]
- Your Welcome Patricia Kathy [3/9/2006 9:42:00 AM]
- wow Susan [3/9/2006 11:35:51 AM]
- You Haven't Kathy [3/9/2006 5:42:32 PM]
- Knowing what you're all going through Michael [3/14/2006 1:52:18 PM]
- HMMMM Anthony [3/15/2006 8:49:26 AM]
- I'd like to add a few things Michael [3/15/2006 1:31:55 PM]
- Gayle Barnes IS red-lined and cannot register AKC dogs Patricia [3/15/2006 4:00:34 PM]
- THAT IS SO FUNNY Anthony [3/16/2006 3:35:33 AM]
- AKC Anthony [3/16/2006 4:29:32 AM]
- AKC Puppy Patricia [3/16/2006 9:14:15 AM]
- Question for Michael Patricia [3/16/2006 1:15:19 PM]
- Answer for Patricia Michael [3/18/2006 11:43:23 AM]
- Michael's Case Number Patricia [3/18/2006 12:38:02 PM]
- Another Ravenwolf Customer John [3/19/2006 11:06:25 AM]
- Received AKC Letter Patricia [3/26/2006 8:55:34 AM]
- Message to Michael Patricia [3/30/2006 3:08:26 PM]
- Announcement - full refund of my $1,000.00 deposit Patricia [3/30/2006 4:54:14 PM]
- Patricia Lisa [3/30/2006 6:13:09 PM]
- REFUND Anthony [3/30/2006 6:15:05 PM]
- I too was duped Theresa [4/5/2006 5:17:45 PM]
- Answer to Theresa Patricia [4/6/2006 8:31:26 AM]
- Very Interesting Jeff [4/13/2006 4:41:58 PM]
- A few more things! Jeff [4/13/2006 7:22:26 PM]
- 1,000 deposit for 1st pick male Mareesa [4/16/2006 12:46:25 AM]
- Response to Deposit Patricia [4/16/2006 11:37:31 AM]
- I know where Gayle Barnes is living now Jane [4/27/2006 1:47:28 PM]
- jane S [5/3/2006 8:55:04 AM]
- 1,000 deposit Mareesa [5/9/2006 8:57:43 AM]
- Reply to 1,000 deposit Patricia [5/9/2006 12:46:52 PM]
- Response to $1,000 Deposit Mary [5/10/2006 7:40:39 AM]
- whoa!!! Susan [5/11/2006 10:54:31 PM]
- how do i forward my info?? Mareesa [5/13/2006 6:12:33 AM]
- other Victims of Ravenwolf Shepherds Jane [5/13/2006 7:54:42 PM]
- response to jane Mareesa [5/14/2006 6:51:27 AM]
- in serious violation of internet and interstate trafficing - Gayle is a thief along with a discusting human being and I hope her boyfriend Keith figures this out before he goes down with her. Patricia [5/14/2006 7:59:11 AM]
- Congratulations Mareesa! Jane [5/14/2006 8:44:42 AM]
- dont you dare Susan [5/14/2006 9:54:31 PM]
- Good luck to all! Jeff [5/15/2006 7:55:36 AM]
- jeff Susan [5/15/2006 12:11:06 PM]
- Another Person Ripped Off Patricia [6/15/2006 4:38:19 PM]
- please call Jeff [6/22/2006 3:00:12 PM]
nonrefundable deposits
I am a past client of Ravenwolf shepherds. I have purchased my german sheperd thru this breeder as well as trained with her for 3 years. I have never seen this breeder keep deposits and not deliver on a puppy. I also must say that I to had placed a deposit on a first pick female when I was looking to purchase another shepherd. I gave my deposit to this breeder, due to family obligations I was not able to bring home another shepherd. I did not expect my deposit back because I knew deposits were non refundable which has been her policy since as long as I can remember. Which is the policy for many breeders of pure breds. This breeder has gone above and beyond for anyone that has ever bought thru her, instead of trying to destroy her reputation why not try and resolving this with out trying to place her in a defensive position. I have seen her with her dogs and many of her clients are repeat customers and have become good friends with her. I know she would be willing to work this out but not when her reputation is being tarnished. I am just telling you this because I have been blessed with an awesome shepherd who has an excellent temperment, infact this breeder helped me train my shepherd for his temperment test which we passed on the first try. He also was trained thru her for his cgc. I can only say to try and work thru this civily because really her shepherds are awesome. She cares for those shepherds beautifully and would never not deliver on what she promised. As for the other lawsuit this breeder was in momence to meet with buyers to deliver puppies this particular couple changed their mind and never showed up although the other buyers were there and recieved all their papers and were happy with their puppies. I know because I was there to meet with her concerning additional training. She had to take home the puppy that was for the other couple. Because they changed their mind is not a reason to refund a deposit. They have a puppy waiting for them when they want. She is not unreasonable at all please try to be patient you will not be disappointed with a shepherd from her.
nonrefundable deposits
I would also like to add that as for you shutting her down that wont happen. She has way to many people to attest to her devotion to her dogs. I have seen this woman refuse to go into the hospital cause she would not leave her dogs. her dogs are alsways bathed and groomed and they are always well taken care of. Her dogs do not sit in a crate all day they are constantly excercised and trained. So I can assure you that your puppy will be top notch. i am sure you will be happy when you recieve your puppy. Do you think it's right to destroy someones buisness like you are. Are you aware this is all she does and this is her life. Are you also aware of the fact she has a life threatening lung disease. So before you make someone out to be such a bad breeder you should really get your facts straight. As for her website she is trying to redo it. Nothing against the law about redoing and updating your website is there.
Patricia
Patricia what breeder would you like to pick up the pup?
JUMPING THE GUN
SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU ARE JUMPING THE GUN ON THIS WHOLE PUPPY ISSUE.
I HAVE PURCHASED 3 SHEPHERDS FROM RAVENWOLF AND WOULD GO NO WHERE ELSE. SHE PROVIDED ALL THE PAPERS AND INFORMATION WE REQUESTED. SHE HAS EVEN TRAINED THEM AND TITLED THEM FOR US. GO AHEAD AND TRY TO BASH HER REPUTATION, CAUSE THER ARE PROBABLY MORE OF US THAT WOULD STAND BESIDE HER IN A COURT ROOM THEN WOULD BE AGAINST HER.
AS FAR AS A DEPOSIT, WE WERE TOLD AS I AM SURE YOU WERE THAT THEY ARE NON REFUNDABLE, SHE HAS HAD THAT POLICY FOR THE 6 YRS I HAVE KNOWN HER. AS FAR AS YOUR DEPOSIT YOU SHOULD WALK AWAY, AND IF SHE WERE WILLING TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING AT THIS POINT IF I WERE HER I WOULD GIVE YOU MAYBE HALF BACK JUST FOR THE DAMAGE YOU HAVE TRIED TO DO TO HER.
BUT AGAIN THERE ARE WAY TO MANY SATISFIED CLIENTS OF HERS. ANYONE THAT KNOWS HER KNOWS SHE LOVES HER DOGS DEEPLY AND I HAVE ALSO SEEN HER GO OUT OF HER WAY TO HELP PEOPLE, EVEN TO THE POINT WHERE I SAW HER DONATE A PUPPY TO A FAMLIY THAT COULDNT AFFORD IT BUT THEIR SON FELL SO IN LOVE WITH THE PUPPY AND VICE VERSA, IT WOULD HAVE MADE YO CRY.
SO WHY DONT YOU GO PICK ON SOMEONE WHO REALLY DESERVES IT, SHE IS GOOD PEOPLE AND HER DOGS ARE PRICELESS.
Submitted: 3/6/2006 10:01:04 AM
Modified: 3/6/2006 10:01:04 AM
Patricia
Rolling Hills Estates, CaliforniaU.S.A.
Response to Susan in Illinois
I have been more than patient when trying to contact Gayle Barnes. I have sent repeated emails with no response what so ever. In addition, she has not performed the simple tasks that she promised expect for rapidly cashing my $1,000.00 check. She told me that she would contact me when the puppy was born…. she did not. I had to send her repeated emails to find out if the litter had even arrived before she finally let me know. She promised that she would send pictures every week… she did not.
To this day, I have never received a photo or confirmation of what I purchased. I asked for her current address since I was told that she moved to Tennessee… she has repeatedly ignored my request. I asked to have another GSD breeder come and see the puppy that I purchased… she denied my request. You need to understand that I have not received any information what so ever about my puppy. Not a picture, not a status on how he is doing, not his physical location, not a picture of the litter, absolutely nothing.
I'm sure that you and others can attest to her worthiness as a breeder or a dog owner yet I have to tell you that there are quite a few others who don't feel the same way and are willing to team up with me on litigation against her. I've been contacted by a law firm in Chicago who is looking for her, along with conversing with law enforcement agencies in California, Illinois and in Tennessee since she could be guilty of transacting fraudulent business over state lines, which is a felony.
It will be interesting on how she plans on contacting me on March 31st since that is the day that my puppy will be 8 weeks old. At that time, she will need to disclose her physical location so I can either complete the transaction and pick up my puppy or serve her with a lawsuit. I don't believe that a deposit in this case is non-refundable and I'm willing to let a court of law determine if she has the right to take my money without being accountable, without providing a guarantee of what was purchased or information regarding the puppy's status that I have requested over the last 3 months.
My attorneys have already concluded that her contract is not valid so I'm curious as to how she plans on defending her self in this matter when we go to court. If she does not provide the proper contact information as to when and where I can pick up my puppy, than law enforcement will immediately press charges against her for grand theft.
As far as her website, there are serious and legal issues with how she has removed all contact information yet continues to entice buyers to purchase her puppies and dogs. I'm a web developer by trade and work with many of the computer giants. The regulations on website fraud is serious and not taken lightly by Internet providers. If I'm successful in a lawsuit against her or theft charges filed in California, Illinois and Tennessee along with proving that what she advertises on the site is morally wrong, I'm sorry to say, that she will be shut down without exception and will be blacklisted from transacting over the Internet to innocent users.
What breeder?
You are dancing around the question....What breeder will you send to pick up the pup? I know why you are dancing it sounds to me you have purchased a pup already.
Submitted: 3/6/2006 12:20:49 PM
Modified: 3/6/2006 12:20:49 PM
Patricia
Rolling Hills Estates, CaliforniaU.S.A.
Response to What Breeder
First off, I'm not obligated to disclose the breeder (or breeders) who will complete the transaction. They will be accompanied by law enforcement and one of our attorneys as soon as Ms. Barnes has disclosed her physical location.
With respect to the statement that I have purchased another puppy, I really don't see the relevance.
My primary interest is to get the quality puppy (from the parents) that was sold to me, along with the papers, and verify that the puppy is healthy, free of defects OR receive a full refund.
BAD ATTITUDE
I AGREE WITH LISA, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALREADY PURCHASED ANOTHER PUPPY. AND YOU ARE SAYING YOU HAVE NO CONTACT INFORMATION ON HER SO HOW DO YOU INTEND TO SERVE HER. PERSONALLY YOU ARE NOT A GOOD ENOUGH PERSON TO HAVE A RAVENWOLF PUPPY, AGAIN I THINK GAYLE SHOULD SEND ONLY HALF YOUR DEPOSIT BACK JUST CAUSE YOU ARE SO IGNORANT AND SHE SHOULD KEEP THE OTHER HALF FOR THE TROUBLE YOU HAVE CAUSED HER BEFORE THE TRANSACTION EVEN WAS ABLE TO BE MADE. AND GAYLE IF YOU ARE READING THIS PAGE SNED HER SOME OF THE DEPOSIT BACK GET RID OF HER AND DONT GIVE HER ANY CONTACT INFO, JUST PAY HER AND BE DONE WITH HER. GIVE HER HALF AND SHE CAN DENY IT OR CASH IT. SOUNDS LIKE SHE HAS ANOTHER PUPPY ALREADY ( POOR PUP). FUNNY YOU CONTACT IL STATE POLICE WHEN SHE DOESNT LIVE THER ANYMORE OR DOESNT EVEN GO BACK THERE AND YOU CONTACT TN POLICE BUT YOU HAVE NO CONTACT INFO ON WHERE SHE LIVES? THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU SENT HER A CHECK? DONT YOU HAVE AN ADDRESS? AND AS FAR AS YOU HARASSING HER I THINK YOU NEED TO STOP NOW, CAUSE IF NEED BE I WILL FLY TO GET THE PUPPY AND MEET YOU MYSELF TO DELIVER IT TO KEEP HER FROM THE STRESS OF THIS. I WOULD DELIVER ALL THE NEC. PAPERWORK AND PUPPY TO YOU SHE DOESNT NEED THIS IN HER LIFE FROM YOU AND I THINK THAT YOU WOULD ONLY HAVE TO MUCH NEG. TO SAY TO HER. SO IF THE PUPPY IS WHAT YOU WANT I WILL DELIVER IT FOR HER WITH ALL THE SHOT RECORDS AND SO ON AND DNA FOR HER.
PATRICIA
ARENT YOU THE ONE THAT LEFT A NASTY PHONE MESSAGE ON HER MACHINE THAT IF ONE HAIR WAS OUT OF PLACE ON THE PUPPY YOU WOULD SUE HER ALSO? SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU ARE JUST LOOKING FOR AN OUT ON THIS AND WILL STOP AT NOTHING INCLUDING LYING AND STRETCHING THE TRUTH ON MATTERS. OH AND THE LAW OFFICE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS A CLIENT THAT WORKS THERE THAT WAS TOLD TO PICK UP HER PUP AND DIDNT THAT WEEKEND. SO TO SUE I AM AWARE OF THAT AS WELL AND WILL STAND BEHIND GAYLE ON THAT. SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT PATRICIA, KIND OF FUNNY HOW YOU SEND A CHECK WITH NO ADDRESS (OR ONE THAT YOU CAN REMEMBER) AND HOW DID SHE DO BUSINESS OVER IL STATE LINES IF YOU LIVE IN CALIFORNIA AND HER IN TN? OR ARE YOU TRYING TO BE A ADVOCATE TO OTHERS AS WELL? LOL YOU REALLY ARE A PIECE OF WORK. AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AS WELL WHICH BREEDER WERE YOU GONNA HAVE GO TO LOOK AT THE PUPPY, AND GAYLE SUPPLIES HEALTH CERTIFICATES WITH HER PUPPIES SO UNLESS THIS BREEDER IS A VET DONT THINK WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY WOULD MATTER, HAVE A VET GO LOOK AT THE PUPPY INSTEAD THEN IT IS VET AGAINST VET, BUT THE BREEDER ISNT QUALIFIED TO SAY THE HEALTH OF THE PUPPY OTHERWISE THEY WOULD BE VETS.
PICK UP
THAT IS KIND OF FUNNY PATRICIA...
WHICH ONE OF THE LAW ENFORCMENT OR ATTORNEY OR BREEDER IS A QUALIFIED VET TO SAY THE PUPPY IS FREE FROM DEFECT OR THAT IT IS HEALTHY?
I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULDNT HOLD UP IN COURT IF A QUALIFIED VET GIVES THAT PUPPY A HEALTH CERTIFICATE. THEN WHAT? ARE YOU SAYING THE THE POLICE OR ATTORNEY OR BREEDER YOU SELECT ARE MORE QUALIFIED THEN THE VET SHE USES? AND HEY ARE YOU EMBARRESSED TO TELL ANY INFO ON THE BREEDER YOU CHOOSE TO CHECK OUT THE PUPPY? I MEAN YOU SAY YOU ARE DISLOSING ALL THE OTHER INFO, SO WHY KEEP IT A SECRET? SEEMS YOU HAVE MORE SECRETS OR DECEIVING WAYS ABOUT YOU. SINCE YOU ARENT PICKING UP THE PUPPY PERSONALLY THEN MAYBE SHE SHOULD HAVE SOMEONE DELIVER FOR HER. ITS ONLY RIGHT...
OH AND SHE DOES SUPPLY YOU WITH THE DNA.
Trained for a Temperment Test
That should tell you something about her kennel and the kind of temperment she is producing. If you have to pattern train a dog to pass a temperment test there is something wrong with the dogs temperment.
Some of these former customer replies just nail the coffin closed. IMO
She has the right to purchase a new puppy somewhere else and demand a refund. No pup has been delivered to date. The BREEDER has violated the contract not this poor unsuspecting internet buyer.
If a pup was delivered would it be from the litter she deposited on. Doubtful, I think the litter didn't exist. If the breeder truely wanted to be done with the situation she would simply refund the deposit and move on. She would have never allowed it to go this far it would be very easily to bend her rule and send a refund check.
Furthermore, with the annimosity between them do you think either should truely still enter into this contract. HECK NO I would run from this buyer as fast as my feet would carry me, would most certainly send a refund and be glad my pup was somewhere I could trust.
Not that the original poster wouldn't be a great and loving owner. The tension between them in this situation would be something most repetuable breeders would pass on and instead would simply refund and walk away selling the dog to the next good prospect that came along.
It seems, she is unwilling or unable financially to do so. Most likely unable financially as she cashed the check and spent it long ago.
NEVER, pick a pup and send a deposit over the internet. Never agree to a pick and ship. ALWAYS meet the breeder in person, inspect their kennels, their breeding stock and research the pedigrees, OFA ratings, etc. This is a very simple thing to do when purchasing a GSD puppy.
Funny she such a great breeder but is being accused of contract violations and a missing brood bitch on another board. LMAO trained for a temperment test! Furtermore, a CGC is not a title its an award recorded in the archives of AKC you can't even verify it.
Now if you said she helped you train for a CD, CDX, UD, UDX, TD, TDX now that shows she know something about this breed. Most dogs can walk into a CGC and pass it without training. Its another temperment test.
Those aren't German Imports
I went to this website as I have never heard of this breeder. She has a lot of homebred stock. She has one big kennel name listed and they are in Illinois and are very reputable.
She has absolutely NO imported stock on her site all American Bred and appear to be from her own dogs, not even outsourcing to a stud using her own.
Send a refund and be done with THIS MATTER! Its quite obvious the funds are not available or it would have been sent. No reputable breeder would want this aired publicly.
Sue
You don't have to I know the breeder already. I just thought you wanted everyone to know the facts. I hope she will not sell you a puppy, it may end up in the hands of the evil (want to be breeder). What do I know I am just taking a wild guess. Ravenwolf if you are reading this please don't sell that pup to this lady.......
Patrica This is what a WHOis lookup found.
Below You will find all contact info on ravenwolfshepherds.com
I don't know you or any of these other people but, from looking at the times their responses to your complaint happened, its appears that one person found ravenwolfshepherds in ripoffreport,left some defensive comment a couple hours went by and another identity left a comment.
by the way all capitals is so tacky and should be left to the investment scammers overseas.
anyways right after one responds the other does.
my guess is it is the same person or two whom are very close to eachother.
personally, from a purely professional point of view if this kennel were on the up and up someone should return your calls regardless of how unnessasary a call may seem to them.
You are a customer, right?
And to some $1000.00 may seem like a drop in a bucket but to others its more than a months wage.
Sending $1000.00 across state lines is always a big deal no matter your financial status.
The seller:in this case the kennel should respect & appreciate that.
(not to mention in IL. and TN $1000 is a lot of money)
Some may take what I say a twist it to benifit the seller. In this instance I would expect ANTHONY of one of the others to say a pure bred animal is an investmentbut, how is it an investment when the transaction has NOT been completed.
My advice, for something you need to see in person, buy locally.
get familiar with the product, the seller and there own business practices. Don't purchase from a shady seller.
last notes: If I were looking to buy an animal of any kind, seeing the ravenwolf site as it is today would have turned me off and I would take my business and $1000 elsewhere.
an aol email address is far from professional.
to the seller I suggest firstname@ravenwolfshepherds.com for person to person contact.
info@ravenwolfshepherds.com for general info such as a FAQ that could be in an autoresponder address, I suggest if the seller does this to make it clear it is an autoresponder and not play it up to being a real person thats sleazy and untruthful.
for all buyers of anything, get a proof of sale invoice, if paying by check scan or photocopy the check before it is mailed and eventually cashed. make a paper trail!
I've included everything from the whois info.
if it is changed to false information and it can not be confirmed as correct that is cause for forfieture of the domain.
Something I noticed in the 'record created' section after all the contact info.
the record was originally created in december of 2002 and the person who paid for the domain paid for 3 years in 1 wack.
then this last december(2005) only renewed it for a year.
Now I know personally the cost of domain names has gone down considerably and renewing a domain is always cheaper than establishing one for the first time.
my guess is that in 2005 that one domain cost $25 - $9.00 for one year depending on the registrar. in 2002 domain did cost a lot more.
my guess from that would be that this kennel isn't planning on sticking around or at least not under the same name as it presently is using.
and lastly from the pictures on the kennel's site gayle looks like a human skeleton(methhead-like)with breasts. although I hope she isn't.
if nothing else the sake of those dogs and all the kids on her facility.
oh yeah, kids carry diseases easily and often.
I should know my wife works in a medical office.
Best of Luck to you Patricia,
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WELL KATHY SHOWS HOW MUCH YOU KNOW ABOUT SHEPHERDS, YES SHE HAS A FEW FROM HER OWN STOCK I THINK 3 TO BE EXACT, AND THE REST ARE ALL PINK SLIP IMPORTS, ALL SCH 1 THRU 3 AND ALL V RATED AND SG RATED. SO FUNNY HOW MUCH YOU KNOW, SHE HAS TITLED MINE 3 DOGS IN CONFORMATION AND SCH AND ONE IN FRENCH RING. AMERICAN SHEPHERDS, IF YOU ARE THE BREEDER WHO WAS GONNA CHECK INTO HER THEN PATRICIA IS REALLY IN TROUBLE. I KNOW HER IMPORTER AND WHO SHE DOES GO THRU IN GERMANY. I THINK YOU ALSO NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, AND YOU CAN EVEN CHECK WITH THE SV IN GERMANY AND YOU WILL SEE THAT HER STOCK IS FROM GERMANY, AND IF YOU TRY TO SAY OTHERWISE I CAN SHOW YOU THE COPIES OF THE PINK SLIPS I GOT FROM HER ON MY PUPPIES PARENTS. SORRY BUT YOU NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AMERICAN AND GERMAN LINE SHEPHERDS. KNOW I AM FINDING THIS PRETTY AMUSING TO HEAR PEOPLE SAY THINGS THAT THEY HAVE NO PROOF OF, I HAVE PROOF ON MINE AND I HAVE HAD THE DNA DONE ON MINE, SORRY MY PUPS COME FROM THE PARENTS SHE SAYS AND THEY ARE PINK SLIPPED. GAYLE HAS TITLED IN THE GERMAN RING, FRENCH RING AND HAS CERTIFIED SERVICE DOGS AND SO ON. I HAVE BEEN TO HER PLACE AND SEEN ALL HER TROPHIES AND RIBBONS AND MEDALS.
METHHEAD
TO THE MAN WHO DOESNT EVEN SIGN HIS NAME GAYLE IS NOT A DRUG USER SHE HAS PULMINARY FIBROSIS AND WAS DIAGNOSED 2 1/2 YEARS AGO. SO FUNNY HOW YOU CAN RIP ON HOW SOMEONE LOOKS WITHOUT KNOWING THEM OR THEIR HISTORY OR IF THEY TRUELY INDEED MAY HAVE AN ILLNESS OR ARE YOU JUST MARRIED TO ONE OF THOSE FULL FIGURED WOMAN? THAT REALLY SHOWS HOW UNPROFESSIONAL YOU ARE AS WELL. COMMENTS LIKE THAT DONT NEED TO BE WRITTEN HERE, THERE IS ONE ISSUE AND THAT IS IT.
really classy
First off my dog passed the temperment test in one shot because of his temperment I had been training with gayle for my BH. Second how dare you call her a skeleton with breasts and a meth head you are dispicable and really classless. Do you understand that gayle has a disease called pulmonary fibrosis and has to be on oxygen. At least patricia has the class to try and do this somewhat civily. As for me leave me and my dog out of your childish banter. My dog is a german import and I have the pink papaers to prove it as well as gayles I have seen the pink papers on gayles dogs. So please dont speak of what you dont have a clue aboout. Patricia I have seen your puppy Gayle does provide DNA as well as all health certificates. She does give you a chance to take your puppy to be checked by a certified vet. You have to understand that gayle is who she says she is, I have personally seen her training,showing as well as give a puppy to a disabled child. I hope you and gayle can work this out in a adult like manner but threats wont help the matter. She also has attorneys and it is very doubtful of the the claims you are making. I will personally deliver your puppy for you as I will not let gayle become attacked in any way. I have delivered puppies for her in the past as I lived closer to some of her buyers. Please know that no respectable breeder would let a puppy go before 8 weeks. When it is time to deliver your pup I can personally meet you by ohare airport. Due to her illness progressing she has been selling a lot of her adults and has beeen scaling down. Which is why she is so thin but not someone to be underestimated. I will be sending my shepherd to her for more training in therapy work as well as some othe rtraining I have been discussing. I searched for a year before fimding my shepherd thru her and let me tell you I have seen some bad breeders. This report is not for name calling it to resole a problem. Please stick to the issue at hand and leave your jealousy of her thinness out of this. As for drugs she wouldnt be caught dead with them!!! She abhors drugs and drug use so if you dont want a slander lawsuit i would suggest staying out of a discussion in which you have no knowledge of either shepherds or people.
That was out of line
I agree the comments about her apperance ruined an ohterwise great comment.
That website has been altered since yesterday! I was going to research her lines further since I must know nothing about German Shepherds. But now I can't as she has removed her studs and b**ches. Also changed the pups available and oh, Patricia your dog is no longer listed as still available.
I didn't say they were not german line I said they weren't german imports. Pink Papers can be obtained on US litters.
Furtermore, you said you trained for a temperment test not me. Sorry but you brought your dog into it as a fine example of her breedings and ethics.
You still try to deliver the pup, driving home the point the funds are not available to make a monetary refund.
No respectable breeder would still deliver that pup with the distrust between the breeder and buyer, you said it youself she may want to breed the dog someday even if it is not breed worthy.
The contract should be voided and the money refunded. Simple enough.
Submitted: 3/7/2006 10:16:00 AM
Modified: 3/7/2006 10:16:00 AMPatricia
Rolling Hills Estates, CaliforniaU.S.A.
Response to Kathy about Breeding
Since the beginning of January, I've had the software developers who work for me screen shot her site on just about a daily basis. That way we can load the site against a scrubber that identifies what she is changing/removing from the site for evidence in litigation. The site has gone through quite the transformation since she started removing all contact information including phone number along with information that could trace her to her dogs.
We pulled one of the files and found what she previously posted as the credentials and the breeding on her dogs (the parents of my puppy). They are as follows (note: both dogs are listed on the GSD Search):
Dam Born June 28, 1999
V-PATTY VOM ECKKOPF
SCH1, AD, BH, CGC, T.T.T.TDI (THERAPY DOG) KKL1
SZ/2048478
HD-fast Normal, (EXCELLENT)
SchH3
V Lesko von Arminius
1992
SZ 1848089
HD-Normal
Sire
SchH2
V Ratta von Arminius
1987
SZ 1712805
HD-normal
Dam
Sire Born May 17, 1999
Aaron vom Hause Syka
Sch3, Ipo3, Fh1, Kkl1
SZ/2043225
HD-Normal
SCHH3
V33 Nougaro du Val D'Anzin
1997
LOF 486254
HD-fast normal
Sire
SchH1
V Aisha vom Drei Birkenzwinger
1994
SZ 1906036
HD-normal
Dam
Hope this helps.
Since you know that site :-)
May I suggest you register and post there a mere inquiry as to if anybody knows the paticular whereabouts of these listed dogs, when and to whom they were sold when they left Germany. Be sure and list her kennell name and your current situation.
I also suggest you contact the SV in Germany. She also said yesterday on her site she was a member of GSDCA-WDA contact them and lodge a complaint. Ask if she is a signer of the breeders code of ethics. :-)
BTW, I don't know Patricia nor do I breed German Shepherds. But I know more then Anthony thinks. For example I own a German Line GSD whelped in the USA from imports she had pink papers available on her also, I saved her from the tatoo. I would never claim her to be a 'import' now her Sire and Dam, yes they are imports.
You get it now, she is breeding german line dogs hence American breed she is not importing litters or bitches in whelp from Germany. Never said American Showline. There are numerous lines Anthony, American Showline, German Showline, DDR, Czech, etc. These dogs listed above are German Showline. But Anthony knew that allready. (wink)
Good Luck Patricia I will watch the other site for you inquiry and how this unfolds.
unreal
Okay your on your own I was willing to try and help you resolve this without either person losing anything. You seem intent on destroying her reputation, kathy yes she has had german imports they were flown in from germany and in fact the breeder out of germany came and visited her for two weeks to attend a show out here. So please don't act like you know all about this breeder. I have spoken with gayle about this situation but I wont get involved again you have obvisuosly purchased another shepherd and that is your right to do so. It is also her right to keep deposits as has been her policy for many years. You may have been able to have worked this all out had you not been so argumentive and threatening over the phone. Yes there have been some circumstances going on with her these past few months with regards to her health and the health of her son who is also disabled. I know you are upset and i can totally understand that but I have also known Gayle for many years and it angers me to see someone who is so good with her dogs be bashed.
I know you want your deposit back but maybe you can work something out to at least get half of your deposit back I dont know I would love to see you get one of her shepherds as they are truly really beautiful and the temperments are just great. They are socialized daily from the get go and her knowledge of shepherds is exceptional. I wish you both luck in this situation. I was not raised to pass judgement on others but try and see both sides of every story. I also feel that trying to go about getting your deposit by ruining her in this manner was probably not the way to do things but that's me. I know I wouldn't give a deposit back after this.
I am with you Sue
I agree with you Sue, I was willing to meet her as well with the puppy, but I am not going out of my way for such a person. Personally after this I wouldn't give her deposit back either. This woman is crazy, the pup isn't even ready to go for 3 more weeks and look at the trouble she is trying to cause. I wish i had as much time in my day as this woman apparently does. It is like talking to walls on this page, no wonder Gayle hasn't called her back over this, i wouldn't either. i have never seen such an evil in someone as this patricia. Gayle if you are reading this tell Patricia to stick the money, (she will know where)trying to deal with someone like her is a lost cause.....
Submitted: 3/7/2006 3:49:20 PM
Modified: 3/7/2006 3:49:20 PMPatricia
Rolling Hills Estates, CaliforniaU.S.A.
Found another victim
I've located a women in Illinois who name is Dawn Cambell. Her story is almost identical to mine where she gave Gayle Barnes $750.00 for a deposit on a puppy and never received the puppy.
I spoke with her attorney and we will team up to track Gail down for prosecution. I have also been able to confirm where she is hiding out with a guy she met on the Internet (don't want to disclose the location yet). I have a phone number and I'm waiting for the local detectives in to get back with me.
I suggest that all of her friends who are stepping in to help out, that you rethink your position. This women is a criminal and should be delt with under the law, therefore I think you should let it go so you're not looked at as aidding and abiding. All of you probably mean well yet I'm sure you don't want to go to jail with her.
Oh Come On
You and I both know you probably would never get yourself in this situation. You wouldn't give a refund because you wouldn't let it get this far.
Lets be resonable here, you can't speak for Gayle anyway only Gayle can decide to refund. Health problems are no excuse for not sending a simple e-mail or making a simple phone call, sorry there not. It doesn't solve this situation.
I am not Bashing her I stated I didn't know her or her dogs I do know no breeder has ever cashed my deposit check until I took physical possession of my dog. Both checks were cashed at once every time. But then again I pick my dogs in person and pick them up in person.
I simply said what I would do in this situation.
A $1000 is a lot of money to just say oh well she got mad at me because she ignored me and I got upset with her for ignoring me. When in reality she had every right to be upset and wondering what was going on.
You and I both know if it was you sitting in California out a $1000, a quickly disappearing website and no communication back, you didn't know Gayle personally and didn't feel the need to defend your friend, etc. You would be on the other side of this fence screaming I got bilked out of a $1000.00 by so and so.
patricia
Patricia,
Okay i am sitting here laughing at the statement you made about me going to jail along with gayle. First off I am not impressed nor am I afraid of your off the wall threats. Second Gayle is not a criminal but hey your entitled to your opinion cause at this point I seriously doubt you even know what the heck you are threatening her with. Cause im sure with all the real criminals out there everyone is just gong to drop what they are doing to chase down and prosecute someone for not sending you a picture. Especially when the transaction isint due to take place for another 3 weeks.
So what your saying is she is a criminal because you changed your mind and you signed a contract that stated NO MONETARY REFUNDS OF ANY KIND, AND BECAUSE SHE DIDNT SEND YOU A PICTURE YET. Please yes lets throw her in jail and throw away the key because god knows she belongs with rapists and murders cause you changed your mind. I for one would love to sit in the court room to hear this case out.
The contract was drawn with the help of a lawyer obvisouly your lawyer didnt look over your when you signed a contract that stated NO MONETARY REFUNDS OF ANY KIND. I know for a fact I can fill a court room with past ckients of hers that would be willing to testify on her behalf. At this point I hope you dont get your refund. Oh and I dont take to threats kightly so dont do it. I to have access to big time attorneys.
HIDE AND SEEK
Hey Sue let this woman mae her idol threats cause we can make them also, she wants to try to find Gayle or wait says she has cool lets find her, i believe she lives in ca rolling hills estates like she said. give me 1 hr i can find an address and if not I'll get it from ravenwolf, See Patricia we can find you to. lets all play a game of hide and seek see who finds who first, then what when we find each other, only god knows.
Submitted: 3/8/2006 8:01:32 AM
Modified: 3/8/2006 8:01:32 AM
Patricia
Rolling Hills Estates, CaliforniaU.S.A.
Response to Your Threat
I'm not hiding from anyone since I have no reason to. You can do what ever you want and think what ever you want to think. I have consulted experts and they all agree that I have a legitimate claim and will continue in my pursuit to make sure that Gayle is stopped cold in her tracks within my legal rights.
You claim that Gayle has an attorney. She should at least provide the contact information for her lawyer so he can speak with the attorneys who are involved in handling this case. It would be to everyone's advantage to let the lawyers work it out and come to some type of agreement.
In addition, I'm overwhelmed with joy that the two of you have documented everything on the internet. This lets others, including law enforcement and the lawyers, see the type of individuals that you really are.
I'm done conversing with the two of you on this issue. You obviously don't see the difference between right and wrong or have any moral values towards the individuals who are victims in this case. I don't believe that there is anything that can be said or done to change your mind. I honestly feel that even if Gayle is prosecuted, you'll find some way to justify her behavior.
patricia
Patricia D Humphrey,
You dont me so do not say I have no moral values. I do have morals which is why I was trying to help you but maybe not in the way you expected. I have always been one to defend people being wronged I have more morals than you because I would not have gone the route you did. You chose to be uncooperative and rude and callous just because you did not recieve pictures, and because she is redoing her website. You have no right to say I have no morals infact I think you are the one without morals. I have come to the conclusion that you are the type of person who is spoiled and if you dont get your way then it's no way well mam let me tell you in the real world it's not always your way. Unfortunately you seem to be intent on ruining someones income and buisness all because you have changed your mind. Again transaction has not een been completed and you jumped the gun by making ridiculous threats about the FBI and internet fraud and detectives. You claim she is going to be prosecuted and arrested along with those that are here defending her LOL i find that amusing. Do you even realize that the puppy is not 8 weeks yet and you are already jumping the gun on an issue that hasnt even come into play. I could understand if the 8 weeks had gone by and you received no puppy or some sort of refund but that hasnt even happened yet. So I would like to see her arrested for something she has not done yet. i think you need to know that just because we are from the midwest and not from fancy shmancy California that we do know a thing or 2 about the law as well. I am in the process of helping one of my clients trying to get her identity back after it was stolen and even though we know where the person is and this peron has admitted it she has yet to be arrested and it has been a year. so I highly doubt that the FBI , Detectives and police are going to go after someone who is still within her contract limits. So maybe you need to stop haraassing her cause I know I wouldnt talk to someone who has been slandering her name and has been commiting defamation of character. Maybe Gayle should seek legal counsel against you now wouldnt that be justice served. You seem to just be an evil selfserving unsatisfied old lady. have a good day :)
You still won't admit
I can't believe you keep saying her pup isn't ready yet. I am just mythed beyond belief that this breeder still wants to deliver this pup and hold the deposit. Even if it wasn't this pup, this litter towards a future pup.
I can't understand WHY you would still want to do business with each other.
YOU HAVE NEVER ADDRESSED THIS, you just keep skipping it. WHY?? would you still want to enter into this contract??? You can't have your cake and eat it to so you are saying you intend to deliver this pup still and enter into this contract?
What if Patricia sells it, its her right to do that, what if she breeds it, sends it to a rescue, YOU DONT CARE??
YOUR UNREAL! Yes I am shouting.
You still won't admit
I can't believe you keep saying her pup isn't ready yet. I am just mythed beyond belief that this breeder still wants to deliver this pup and hold the deposit. Even if it wasn't this pup, this litter towards a future pup.
I can't understand WHY you would still want to do business with each other.
YOU HAVE NEVER ADDRESSED THIS, you just keep skipping it. WHY?? would you still want to enter into this contract??? You can't have your cake and eat it to so you are saying you intend to deliver this pup still and enter into this contract?
What if Patricia sells it, its her right to do that, what if she breeds it, sends it to a rescue, YOU DONT CARE?? I am done with this conversation, I was done when it stooped to threats of violence and hunting down the original poster, now thats CLASS for ya, LOL.
YOUR UNREAL! Yes I am shouting.
Wake Up
Pat is in this with Cindy, now lets talk about someone that the FBI should look into and why they are at it they should do a syc on her. Pat you are helping Cindy take the heat off her and you walked right into the devil's den. I wish you luck you will need it after dealing with Cindy..
Just a Comment
I have been reading this report for the last couple of days, and i see once thing that kind of bothers me. Patricia says that she sent email inquiring about the puppy several times with no response (after she sent the check and after it was cashed)until she asked for her money back, then she recieves a response. She askes to see the puppy or to visit the puppy and is told no, because of diseases (i'm not anywhere close to a breeder but that sounds silly).. she askes for pictures and is told the computer is broken... When she finally does get a way to contact the breeder, it is only a message number and not a CONTACT number..
I would start to get a bit worried also if i spent that kind of money and then not be able to contact the person holding the 'merchandise' I can admit that she is maybe jumping the gun just a little threatening to file a report and we are only 8 days into March... But i defanitly see her point of view, i have put money down for a puppy and called once a week to see how the mamma dog was doing.. maybe if the breeder is too busy to give this woman an update, maybe she should downsize so she can be more personable with her clients... Anyways.. Thats just my two cents. :)
~Sara~ Eugene Oregon
Kathy
You just don't get it. THE CONTRACT HAS NOT BEEN BREECHED YET. Pat herself has said the pup is not ready to go till the end of the month. I would feel bad for Pat if she did not get the pup when promised and did not receive her money back. Pat has not said she was taken for anything yet or that she was miss lead about what the pup is to be, she has not said a word of that, so I would have to say she is jumping the gun about now. Yes I would have to agree I would not sell the pup to her because of the trust issue with the lady from CA, but in the same this breeder has held the pup for her. GET IT NOW? Pat should also be very careful of what she has said if she states false truths and causes harm to a business she should not only feel morally responsible but financially too.
Submitted: 3/8/2006 4:37:26 PM
Modified: 3/8/2006 4:37:26 PMPatricia
Rolling Hills Estates, CaliforniaU.S.A.
Thank You to Kathy
Kathy,
I'm not sure if you're still viewing this site and I really don't blame you. I wanted to sincerely thank you for all of your sound suggestions, analysis of the situation and patience with dealing with these two.
I was not planning on reentering the site due to the ignorance and underlying violent threats that have been suggested by both of them along with the unjustified insults that they feel they have the right to bestow. I have tried to be civil when answering the site yet I will make no further comments. I happen to be showing the site to a private investigator and saw your comments and felt compelled to thank you.
As I have mentioned before, we are waiting for Ms. Barnes to contact us personally so we can continue with our rights under the law. I really can't disclose anything further since I've been asked not to by law officials and the attorneys handling this case. She will have to contact us in order to try to full-fill her obligation and I will not accept participation from anyone except from her. My suggestion that she divulges her attorney is a sound one since it may help if he intervenes at this point if she is sincere at getting this resolved.
There are more parties involved and it is far beyond the simple delivery of a puppy. It's about being accountable regarding the monies that she has taken from numerous individuals without the delivery of goods. I agree that she should just refund 100% of the money owed to myself and to everyone else that has joined this case since she is in far more serious trouble than she thinks. Gayle herself needs to immediately come forward and address this issue. It's just as simple as that.
Thanks again for your assistance. And for the record, NO… I have not purchased another puppy.
DUHHHHHH
KATHY,
I THINK YOU ARE A LITTLE SLOWER THEN WE ACTUALLY GAVE YOU CREDIT FOR. LOL
DUH THE ISSUE ISNT ADDRESSED BECAUSE SUE ISNT THE BREEDER, THATS FUNNY, SHE IS A CLIENT SLASH FRIEND.. AND WHY ARE YOU YELLING? I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE WITH US. BELIEVE ME OUR FEELING ARENT HURT CAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO TAK TO US ANYMORE AND SAME GOES FOR MS. PATRICIA D. HUMPHREY OF PONY LANE.. YES I TO HAVE ADDRESSES AND PHONE NUMBERS ON YOU TO.. FUNNY HOW ALL THIS WORKS OUT HUH?
YOU TO ( I WOULD SAY LADIES BUT I WOULD BE LYING) SO YOU TO CRAZED MANIACS HAVE A GOODNIGHT...
I KNOW I WILL
SLEEP WELL.
kathy
The contract was already entered into when patricia signed it. She seems to be very knowledgeable of the law so she must have know what the contract meant by NO MONETARY REFUNDS OF ANY KIND. I hope Gayle does decide to sue for slander and defamation because it seems you two are going after her before the contract has even beed broken. So keep it up the more lies you keep posting the better you make her case. :)
Your Welcome Patricia
You should contact the GSDCA the GSDCA-WDA if you don't get a refund. I would also plaster her ass all over the Pedigree Database be sure and mention those 'Old Style King Size Shepherds' she breeds, which she hurried up and removed from her website. Fancy word for Shiloh's. I am betting she IS NOT a signer of the breeders code of ethics.
No way I would take delivery of this pup. Your breeder is supposed to be your friend and confidant not your arch enemy from the beginning with absurd excuses for not maintaining contact with someone she is attempting to now keep $1000 from!
ANTHONY you are so dense you just don't get it, the contract should be voided BY GAYLE, BY RAVENWOOD, but hey if they sells their pups to the likes of you then that says a lot.
Not suprised your so utterly stupid you can't speak intelligently without resulting to threats of violence, stalking, etc................. Do you realize everytime you post to this it bumps it back up to the scrolling bulletin board?? LMAO
BTW you have no idea who I am or what offices I hold within the GSD Community now do you?
Since your the supreme sleuth detective figure out who I am and who you are insulting, then threaten to show up at my door and see how fast I make your head spin.
Furtermore, if Gayle is sharing Patricia's personal information with Anthony, I hope her future puppy buyers stand up and take notice, think long and hard before giving her any personal info, bank info, etc.
Anthony seems to be quite a hot head and at the very least slightly unstable mentally. To give Patricia's personal info to him is a serious lack of judgement.
Heres a threat for you Anthony,
Patricia if you don't get a refund, it only takes $50 to file a complaint under the bylaws of the GSDCA anybody can file it doesn't have to be a dues paying member. You file it and I will call somebody I know. (wink)
BTW, I suspect Anthony is not who he says he is and is closer then Atlanta to Gayle, so go run and tell Gayle who you insulted for the last time Anthony! Better hope she knows a board member real well, LMAO.
Bottomline it speaks volumes to Gayles ethics to be associated with the likes of Anthony it also speaks to her morals to still try to deliver this pup, she obviously doesn't care what happens to it just keeping a $1000 she can't afford to return!
Still no GAYLE, wait her computer still broken, but yet she is updating her website. When you update a website you change it around not delete entire pages, contact info, etc.
Its called Kennell Blindness wake up and smell the dog poop peoople.
wow
Your right Kathy one of us know who you are, nor you us. Not once have I ever threatened any violence whats so ever. Thats not my style, nor will that ever be. The way I see it is every breeder seems to have pleased clients and those that are not pleased. I happened to have had an awesome expeirience with Gayle I used to call her all the time when I first got my shepherd and she was always willing to help me out. I only posted to let patricia know that yes she is a good breeder and trainer. I truly feel bad for everyone involved in this. I have seen some shepherd breeders who never let their dogs out of their crates and never seemed to really enjoy what they were doing but only saw dollars signs. It took me a year to find the right shepherd for me and my family and I am so happy with mine. He is such beautiful well tempered shepherd and that is why I recommend Gayle.
Yes there are many things that have come up in Gayles life recently and she is not removing her website she is merely redoing her website and has no intentions of taking it down. No your right at this time I probably wouldnt want to see this puppy go to patricia either but I dont think she is entitled to her full deposit. I recently purchased a yorkie and every breeder I has contacted also had a nonrefundable monetary deposit. Which I can understand, It is extremely rare that a breeder will give back a refund it is a common practice.
I will not apologize to anyone for defending Gayle and to plaster her ass (as you put it) all over the place is extreme. All I can say is that if you are going to purchase a puppy from anyone please make sure you know what you are signing and know that you risk losing said deposit.
As for all of this well I feel since the puppy wasnt due to be given to paricia till the end of march I feel she jumped the gun. There is no reason to bash Gayles shepherds you say she never imported from Germany when in fact she has. She had a full litter that was imported from Germany. Her german importer actually came and stayed with her and her family for two weeks and also joined us in our training classes. To say she never imported is false. She does know people as well and I am sure will find that out as well. I dont care if you are the president of the united states you have no right to bash someones buisness unless you have personally been there and know her and her shepherds. Everyone has always gotten their papers when they picked up a puppy as well as all health certificates.
I think you have have over stepped the line and if you are a member of any of the organizations you have listed then shame on them for allowing you to speak out against someone with out knowing all the facts. If you wish to speak with me civily i would consider that, off this board. I am not an unccivilized person and I dont yell and I dont curse (well only when the occasional bad driver cuts me off) But seriously I would love for all involved to come to some sort of agreement. Without anymore bashing, we are all adults and im sure if everyone would just calm down and speak without yelling or threats or accusations this would be resolved.
You Haven't
Your problem here is Anthony he is crossing the line. You have been constructive and have tried to resolve it. Unfortunately, I don't think Patricia is going to settle for any less then a full refund under the circumstances. Anthony isn't helping to difuse, he is inciting.
I don't speak for 'the organizations' I am involved with. Gayle said on her website she was a member of the listed organizations, if in fact she is, she is subject to their bylaws.
Patricia, I am extremely busy. If you don't get resolution let it be known I will hear about it and will check back here periodically for updates.
Bottom line, they only thing that is going to resolve this is Gayle contacting Patricia and both ladies being open to discussion and resolution. Patricia may have jumped the gun, she had reasons, Gayle could have handled it better, she had reasons, both parties made mistakes. Both just need to communicate directly and effectively.
Have a nice day ladies, I hope you find resolution.
Knowing what you're all going through
Yes, I too was ripped off by Gayle Barnes.
In Dec. 05 I purchased a puppy from Gayle for 1500.00.This was the second dog I purchased from her.Three years ago I purchased a male shepherd from her for 500.00.This was my first experience with her which I must say was very pleasant and informative.I sat with Gayle in her kitchen and talked with her in great detail about the dog.When I left I had a dog plus a whole packet of info.I was happy with the whole thing.Three years later I decide to get another shepherd from her only this time I decide to spend the extra money and get one of her 'quality' dogs.
So because I dealt with her in the past I felt I could trust her and sent the full amount-1500.00--for a pup from 'Aaron and Donte'.She explained to me that it was 2000.00 if I wanted the AKC registration and only 1500.00 without.Well I