Sheriff Joe Arpaio May Need to Become a Resident in His Jail *EDitor's Comment

I want to point out a couple things. First, of all the law suites filed against Sheriff Joe, the vast majority are by Left Wing radical groups like the ACLU who support such things as NAMBLA and the like. We live in a lawsuit-happy society so the fact that people try to sue the Sheriff is no big surprise.

Secondly, Sheriff Joe is a duly elected official. I voted for him, as well as the majority of Maricopa County. Thats our system. we like it, it works. If he did in fact break any laws, then justice will be done. That what all the law suits are for.

And my best piece of advice. stay out of jail and life will be good.

I don't wanna go to jail;
Don't wanna pay bail;
Don't wanna be locked up
With a wierdo in my cell...

Don't wanna do time?
Don't commit the crime!

Don't get drunk and use any dope
Cause you hang yourself with your own rope

Don't steal, don't kill
Don't beat up your spouse
Or deputies put you
In the jail house.

IN OTHER WORDS, PEOPLE, IF YOU DON'T PUT YOURSELF IN A SITUATION CONDUCIVE TO CRIME, AND YOU DON'T DISOBEY THE LAW, YOU PROBABLY WON'T BE A GUEST OF ANY SHERIFF...

And the sight of any man in FLAMING PINK BOXER SHORTS with LACE trim would make me swear off even the APPEARANCE of crime because I hear that is what Sheriff Joe makes male inmates wear...

I don't know if he still has the webcams in his jail so EVERYBODY can see the men in the PINK BOXER shorts or not... but I think he makes his point PERFECTLY clear!

How hard is it to just to stay the hell out of Maricopa County, AZ...

Get a copy of your state's Penal Code and Uniform Traffic Code so you can know what the law is ( they change every time yourlegislature meets so you have to buy a new one an average of every two years or so...) KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS AND OBEY THESE STATUTES...

How easy is that!

By the way, TEXAS where I live has the HIGHEST RATE OF EXECUTIONS in the USA and almost anywhere in the world. Most come from Harris and Dallas Counties, too.

You think Sheriff Arpaio is bad --just TRY being incarcerated in an EAST TEXAS or a SOUTH TEXAS JAIL!

Nepotism tends to be way of life in Mexico ( I lived there for several years and I know!) and the Old South too. So what's so new about that? The last time I checked, Mexico and cerain Southern States, especially Louisiana, were not exactly known for their clean, bribe- and influence-free politics! Some crookedness is just built in to the system, some more than others.

The idea is to stay the hell out of ANYBODY's alleged "criminal justice system."

And the people keep electing him and re-electing him. So I guess they like what he is doing maybe they are all related to him too.

By the way, I am Joe but I am NOT THE SHERIFF JOE referred to in this article.

I have never been in jail and know nothing about this particular jail. After reading Tracy's replies just wanted to add that Tracy nees to re-think the issue. People are being punished by serving their time. They should not be penalized with being overcharged with basics like shampoo. The government pretends to assist victims and ordering restitution. Example: The government places the accussed in a work release program, if they are fortunate enough to find a job, the government eats their income up with exuberate weekly charges for (room & board?, and ridiculous prices for necessities, thereby leaving no money left to pay victom for restition. How many people are in jail because they took a guilty plea on the basis they made too much for a court appointed attorney but did not have 30K at a drop of a hat to hire an attorney with enough experience to handle a case?. I do know of a person in that situation and he has never done anything wrong in his life! Just didn't have the money to hire an appropriate attorney. Prisoner's should be led by example, not made to resent the system. It's o.k. for the Government to rip you off but not vice versus?? improvement is needed.

Tracy, let's get some FACTS straight:

(1. Sheriff Joe is a dirty ratbastard con man,
a liar and a thief, and should be himself incarcerated for fraud;

(2. Most of the people this lowlife weasel
keeps locked up are suspects, and therefore
innocent until proven guilty;

(3. The stupid, following weasel pigshit scum
in his f****t "posse" are nothing but parasite
dorks and geeks;

(4. Joe costs this county a fortune in lawsuits,
and his cronyism and corruption carry the
potential to destroy this county.

Nice that you old, dried-up retired bluehairs
find this kind of asswipe convenient for P.R.
purposes, but Sheriff Joe is a full-time, professional liar and criminal, just like you, you stupid moron.

I sued the scumbag myself and won.

I have known better men inside the jail that
this retarded f-king blowhard pissant.

Isnt' punishment enough to sentence a man and
isolate him from society, but also has to bear the thought of being punish by degrading his self respect. Pink?

Isnt' punishment enough to sentence a man and
isolate him from society, but also has to bear the thought of being punish by degrading his self respect. Pink?

Isnt' punishment enough to sentence a man and
isolate him from society, but also has to bear the thought of being punish by degrading his self respect. Pink?

Isnt' punishment enough to sentence a man and
isolate him from society, but also has to bear the thought of being punish by degrading his self respect. Pink?

Unfortunately Tracey's comments are from quite a while ago and he will probably never read this.

As a student of criminal justice you should recognize that Joe Arpaio represents everything that is wrong with the political nature of policing, especially in regards to sheriffs who are directly elected by a public that is too ill informed to cast a competent vote. Sheriff Joe is nothing more than a wild west showman who cares for nothing but his own political career. The "renegade lawman" thing gets him votes, but it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to curtail crime.

First off, Joe's capacity to even fight crime is extremely limited, as his normal areas of control are the rural areas of Maricopa county; he has little power in the urban centers such as Phoenix, where the crime rate is ten times that of the rural communities his officers patrol.

His actions border on, and very often infringe upon, the civil rights of the people who are unfortunate enough to be arrested in Maricopa county. Also, consider this: sixty percent of the inmates in Joe's jail are yet to be tried. As an aspiring prosecutor, you should recognize that this means they are considered innocent, yet they are subject to the same brutal treatment as the general punitive population. The remaining forty percent of Joe's inmates are misdemeanor offenders, something else you should know by now. If you are of the opinion that misdemeanor offenders should be degraded and brutalized as to Joe's liking, I can only hope that whatever state's bar you apply to recognizes your complete lack of moral conviction and denies your membership.

On to the issue of the tvs. I don't know how you're going to acheive a B.S., much less a law degree, without any critical thinking skills (university of phoenix?). This obvious conflict of interest between the sheriff and those profiting from his comissary (which, actually, doesn't sell tvs... there are no tvs in Joe's jail) speaks volumes to the level of corruption in Joe's department.

Perhaps the most egregious offense to society is Joe's invocation of the "posse comitatus" act. Posse comitatus is a wild west law that would have been taken off the books long ago if the legislature actually thought someone would invoke it in modern times, but unfortunately for the people of Maricopa county Joe did invoke it. Posse comitatus allows a sheriff to deputize untrained civilians. The result in Maricopa county is a quasi-police force of armed civilians with insufficient training acting in a law enforcement capacity. These people are uneducated in law enforcement and justice theory and grossly undertrained (2 and a half weeks of training with no degree compared to the nationwide average of sixteen weeks of training with an associates). Policing is a very complicated job that involves not only a thorough knowledge of statutes, but also of civil liberties and sociological theories. Sheriff Joe has decided to ignore this and deputize (and arm) completely unqualified individuals. And yes, these completely unqualified deputies are permitted to use deadly force.

Now, as a student of crime and crime control, you should recognize that political rhetoric and emotion are no substitutions for effective crime policies. This is another fact that Joe seemed to miss. He has ignored years and years of thousands and thousands of studies that have shown which tactics are effective and which are not. We know full well nowadays that Joe's completely reactive style of law enforcement merely adresses the symptoms of social disorder while doing nothing to rectify the underlying problems. Many would argue that Joe's tactics actually increase the chances of recidivism (by the way, kudos to the editor for knowing what "recidivism" means) because he alienates minor offenders from the society they need to reintegrate into, and destroys the self esteem they will need to pursue legitimate life courses.

Tracey, if you are still planning on law school this september then you have probably already been admitted somewhere (or been denied admission everywhere). I suggest you hone your critical thinking skills before you head off for a legal education. If you are of the mindset that the easy answer (like the ones Joe gives) is always the right answer, you're in for a rude awakening.

By the way, it is nice that Joe loves animals so much. Too bad he can't focus some of that compassion toward his own species.

You missing the point al together Tracey. The law is there to protect that one guy who is innocent. If it was you accused of a crime and you had not been convicted whould you want to be punished? Besides you have no say in the matter. Its constitutional law. If you dont agree go back to Bagdad where you have the right to be silent as long as you can stand the pain.

I am trying to pick a side. I am supposed to write an essay on what I think of Joe but I dont know where to start? Could someone please tell me what he has done that is so bad, or in some peoples opinions, what he has done that is so good? I'm lost in all this. All I'm getting is a bunch of biast opinions and no facts! If someone would respond it would be of great appreciation!



Thanks!

Thank you Sherrif Joe. I know that if I am ever in your jail it will be thru my own doing.



I am not an angel but neither am I "bad guy".



Thank you for the job you are doing and I wish you all the sucess in the world.



A grateful citizen of Arizona and the United States of America.

Tracy,



You ask a good question. Paraphased more susinctly: What is the effect of all these programs in Joe's jails on recidivism?



The answer make shock you. Most statistics indicate that it has had NO statistically significant affect, or in a couple of studies it was indicated that there was a significant correlation between these programs and the INCREASE in recidivism of certain crimes.



However, you have not addressed my most significant point and I will ask again: Why do you want to punish those who are NOT GUILTY? Please show some intellectual integrity and STICK TO THE ISSUES.



ED Magedson

EDitor@ripoffreport.com

TRACY,



Explain to me why you are responding to this complaint when you live in New Hampshire. It sounds to me that you need to study up A little or A lot on your ethics before you ever step foot in A court room as A prosecutor. You can study your abs to overlap your bbs and level out your cbs to confirm with your nbc. The truth is you need to learn your ABC' SSSS before ever responding to this web site again loser.

TRACY,



Explain to me why you are responding to this complaint when you live in New Hampshire. It sounds to me that you need to study up A little or A lot on your ethics before you ever step foot in A court room as A prosecutor. You can study your abs to overlap your bbs and level out your cbs to confirm with your nbc. The truth is you need to learn your ABC' SSSS before ever responding to this web site again loser.

TRACY,



Explain to me why you are responding to this complaint when you live in New Hampshire. It sounds to me that you need to study up A little or A lot on your ethics before you ever step foot in A court room as A prosecutor. You can study your abs to overlap your bbs and level out your cbs to confirm with your nbc. The truth is you need to learn your ABC' SSSS before ever responding to this web site again loser.

TRACY,



Explain to me why you are responding to this complaint when you live in New Hampshire. It sounds to me that you need to study up A little or A lot on your ethics before you ever step foot in A court room as A prosecutor. You can study your abs to overlap your bbs and level out your cbs to confirm with your nbc. The truth is you need to learn your ABC' SSSS before ever responding to this web site again loser.

First, I am not an idiot. Secondly, who cares who they have to buy their televisions from? My point (which you clearly missed) is why should they be allowed to have them in the first place? Like I stated previously, jail isn't day camp it is a punishment, and they should not be allowed to live more comfortably than the rest of us.



Also, these people who are being held that are innocent, where are their lawyers? I can't believe they are all innocent, but then again anyone you speak to in jail/prison is going to say they are innocent! I can't believe that he would have been re-elected if he was so neglectful and arresting all of these innocent people.



For you to wish jail/prison time on someone is ridiculous. My compaint was that you feel as though these people should be comfortable while being punished. I read the article. I read the rebuttal from the former prisoner. I have read articles on the sheriff, and still stand by what he does.



Why don't you take a look at the positive that he has done? What is his recidivism rate? People don't want to go back once they have gotten out. But then again I suppose you must feel that all prisoners should have it easy while doing their time. Let me know if your opinion stays the same if God forbid a loved one (or yourself) is ever violently attacked, murdered or violated in some other manner. Would you still feel the same about them having to pay double for a television, or only allowed a bologna sandwich?

Before you speak out and make an idiot of yourself, you better know what you are talking about! In this case, you are way off base.



You missed the point about the clear TV... it isn't that it's clear, it's that you have to buy it from one of Joe's cronies, who runs the the commissary.



The next point you missed, and this is an elementary civics lesson: A great number of those in Joe' jail have never been adjudicated as GUILTY. In this country you are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. Like Joe's publicity scandal where he rounded up ex-husbands based on the spurilous accusations of vindictive ex-wives, in many cases. You are telling me that you should be jailed and punished based on false allegations? I hope it happens to you so that your mind will be properly bent.



ED Magedson

EDitor@ripoffreport.com

This is a response to the letter written about Sheriff Arpaio becoming a member in his own jail. When you go to jail (one year or less) or prison (any sentence over a year) you are to be punished, NOT pampered. These people who are so worried about the humane treatment prisoners should receive should remember why these people are there.



First off, the televisions are clear so that contraband may not be hidden. Why should they have t.v. anyhow? Why should they have cable t.v.? There are hard working, law conscience citizens who can't even afford it and prisoners want it for FREE!!! Too bad if the price is twice what you would pay if you were on the outside! Why should your life be better than mine on the outside?



I think Sheriff Arpaio is doing the right thing. If you committ a crime you should be punished, not rewarded with free cable t.v., food and rent. Too bad if you have to work 8-10 hours a day without pay! You should have thought about that before you did what you did. There are people working more than that and the prisoners in Sheriff Arpaio's jail are still living better than them, pink underwear and all!



You cry about prisoners rights! Did the offenders think about the rights of the victims that they violated? It sickens me to know that rapists, murders and child molesters have more rights than the victims that they violated.



I have an A.S. in C.J., currently working on a B.S. in the same field and plan on attending law school in Sept. 2003 to become a prosecutor. If it were up to me they wouldn't have t.v., weight rooms, etc. If it were up to me you would work 8-10 days, buy your own food and pay for your stay in prison. The rest of your free time can be spent contemplating what you have done wrong and maybe learning a trade so that when you are released you might have a marketable job skill. (I don't mean free college, since I have to pay for my education why should yours be free?) Why should the tax payers, and the victims of the crimes pay for t.v., food, rent and even medical attention?!



Sheriff Arpaio is on the right track and I commend him for trying to make a difference.

I'm not proud of the fact that I had to do nine months in Sheriff Joe's jail, but I did the crime so I had to do the time. However, this complaint is obviously written by someone who has no idea what they are talking about.



The biggest mistake is what they complained about. There are no personal tv's in county jail, only in prison. If they are talking about prison, then Sheriff Joe doesn't control the prisons, but, however, they are owned and operated by private parties. Believe it or not, if you have the money you could build your very own prison and run it and the state would pay YOU to house inmates there.



As far as the commissary goes, yes, it is Sheriff Joe's brother or brother-in-law that runs it. It is very overpriced. You would pay $.75 for a candy bar that cost $.50 in the store and $9.00 for a bottle of Neutrogena shampoo.



The biggest complaint that I had were the working conditions. A sentenced inmate, which is one who has been to court and has been found guilty but only has to do county time, is forced to work in the jails. The jobs range from laundry to cooking to working on the county patrol cars. The big problem is that these jobs are not paid and you are FORCED to work seven days a week eight hours a day, sometimes the shifts are ten hours a day depending on the job like the chain gang. If an inmate decides that they don't want to work, they get to spend the rest of their time in lockdown, or "the hole" as most people know it.



So, as you can see, you don't want to spend time there. But, if someone wants to complain about something, don't complain about who makes money off of the candy, complain about the working and living conditions!