Starscapes ripoff Chandler Arizona

I simply wanted to ad that -

It is now 17 years later  for me

As I watch the complaints against Joe -

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One of the links to a site that is supposed to be an equivilent -

For less money -

www.stars-so-bright.com has ceased doing business.

I still do believe that Joe is still doing business.

He still sells his dream.

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I myself made some purchases from Glomania - out in Utah

over Christmas this last year (2017).  While this is not directly about them ...

I need to share that - they shorted the order and used the calender

to spend down the 30 days for a refund through the ebay selling platform.

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My interest was to do a comparison of the products as they 

were supposed to be a product competitor.

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So, in simply doing a comparison - the glow life between the Starscapes

products that Joe produces and Glowmania products - laid side by side -

The Glow Mania products lost their glow - in about 30 minutes.

Some of the Glo Mania material lost it's glow after 3 - 4 minutes.

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There is more to business than complaining about it.

And -

Whether or not you have the grit about yourself to make it work for you.

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There is the test of quality and time.

www.stars-so-bright.com no longer exists.

Glomania - esentially - sold cheap - low concentration content glow paint

that they refused to refund.

And Joe's paint that at this point was 17 years old - holds a charge and

glows as he describes.

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Joe is a member of the Better Business Bureau in Arizona -

And offers a money back guarantee on what he sells.

Joe also offers - personal -in house training - in Chandler Arizona.

Which means that if you are willing to come to him -

He will show and train you on the techniques that he uses

that works - and has been perfected over the 26+ years that

he has practiced this for of art creation.

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So - The rest of the world stands for what they do -

Their history of failure of time and quality speaks for itself.

And

Joe has a history of standing up to the complainers.

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If you are a complainer - you will never put the time into 

learning what to do - you complain about what you do not

understand.

If you are a doer - and can and will get the job done -

You will build a business - over time.

And the complainers will continue to complain against

you as well - until - you show them the stars as they

appear in their own portal - in their home.

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And then - they shut up - with the oohs and aahs and wows -

They say - Now that is cool!

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I personally do not care - who a person might buy their products

from or support with their money.    I do care about the bashing

that seems to be so prevalent in our society - against people and

circumstances that are never really understood or appreciated.

I also do not profit from selling materials or creating any kind

of star rooms -  I have never collected the first dollar from 

anyone - for star paint or starscapes or any star creation work.

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Fly into the Phoenix air port.

Make an appointment to become a trained business owner.

And perhaps - as a complainer -

You might start to have an appreciation for the nightmare

that the rest of you have created against Joe P.

He still is in business - today.

Or perhaps you want to give the MacDonald's franchise 

a go.    Pay them $1 M for the name use -

And build your building, train your people to sell for $1.

In response to the negitive feed about Starscapes;

I have been in the business and have done very well! The reasons for the "license" is to use the starscapes name.  You dont have to, but you can...I did because the fee is only 40.00! Where else can you spend 40.00 bucks a month and have a business? Plus you if you spend the 40.00 on the monthly fee...you get 40.00 of product shipped to you!  Yes, you will get a cheap looking website, but dont use it...create your own, if you dont want the free one. The contract part is true. But if you told everyone how you did it....they would not need you.  You dont have to have any artistic skills, just somewhat of a working brain.  The "toy projector" thing that was mentioned is far from accurate.  Maybe that was the deal in 2006...but almost 10 has past by.  As for the paint....you cant find this online. You can find alot of glow paint...but it will never be as a high quality, bright glow, and last for more than a few hrs.  I have tried and spent 1000's on different "24 hr glow paint" , only to see it disappear in 4-6 hrs...or not as bright.   Marketing,  it is hard to market something that you have to see in person.  This is where the working brain comes in handy! The wrinkled up paper that is supposed to be a demo panel....again use your head. Try a poster board to show to customers, or talk to your postman about being more careful about crushing the cardboard box it is shipped in.   People do pay for this service, after I got the business it was slow.  It took 5-6 months to get going real good....then I had to quit my job and do starscapes full time.  I'm doing 2-3 jobs a day.  400-800 per job.  It is possible if you want it to be possible!   If it was easy, everyone would do it!

I find it interesting that the persons who denigrate the Starscapes opportunity do so with such vitriol when they have no experience with the program but are voicing an ill-informed or second hand opinion.

It is clear to me that some have ulterior motives that are very self-serving. The others who rail on undermine their own opinions by doing so when they have not been “taken advantage of”, as they put it. Why? Is it that they are the type of person who relishes attacking others because they have not thought of it? Or, is it because they are jealous of any type of success of others?

Anyone familiar with starting a business knows that a business fails not because it is not a good idea but because the business has no real plan.

Starscapes offers a plan along with the opportunity itself. They also offer the accompanying materials, suggestions, and ideas that, although they will not guarantee success, will contribute toward success in a big way. Oh, success does not just happen though, you still have to work at it. Very disappointing for some I know.

I am not an AI (artist illusionist) nor am I a Starscapes customer so I have no ulterior motive with this post.

I just find it interesting that persons attempt to pass themselves off in their post as knowledgeable experts, who are ill informed with no background experience or real proof.

And, by the way, yes, this is just an opinion but if anyone takes umbrage at this response, thank you. It merely strengthens my point.

In My opinion,

The person writing the "Rip-Off Report" is certainly self serving - and is interested in doing 
just 1 thing -

He is looking for customers himself. And gut punching Joe for his vision and abilities.


Attacking the 1 person who is a master at creating star presentations and nebula
and meteor showers.

After 25 years of practicing the art of creating these stargazing rooms -

Joe created a business franchise opprotunity so that people who want to do better - can build a solid business - creating new customers in their local region. 

Un-fortunately, most people would rather complain about what they would be required to do - other than
to do the work to get the job done.

Has anyone who is complaining here - actually taken the effort to go to Chandler Arizona and asked Joe to train them in the finer aspects of creating the Jaw Dropping - Awe Inspiring Excitement creating art that happens every time that a new family sees the kind of art that Joe produces?

I know that it is easy to complain - And everyone has the right to speak their mind.

Most folk would rather complain about the work required - to become rewarded for a great job well done - than to do the work that makes for a well groomed - well foundationed business.

Otherwise,

The bash this fellow gives Joe - Is simply his tool to gain some number of clients for his own business in selling materials for the people who would never make a business of it all.

Does the complainer not advertise his own website? 
Selling a lower cost product?
With any kind of a public showroom?
With any kind of personal training and support?

If anyone is serious about building a business.  If anyone is serious enough to go to Chandler Arizona
and spend a week becoming trained with Joe -

Then every gut punch complaint about the Starscape Opp will go away.


What becomes paid in costs - is nothing - compared to the way that you learn how to change your way of thinking - building a life reputation as someone who builds excitement - painting invisible stargazing rooms that only come out at night.

The people that enjoy them and build your business for you - far outweigh anyone who is so busy complaining about not having the grit to get the job done.

That's right - Complain and get your own business of selling less - building on the hard work & goodwill of other people.


Kinda like those who do massive insurance sales.

The ones who sell benefits to those who need them - 

Are so few in number compared to the greater number of living people on our globe.  

And most insurance sales people - throw up their hands and quit after just a few efforts - complaining
that they did not have the grit to get the job done.

No one is born selling.  It is a learned set of skills.

Or would you rather complain your way to the end of your life?

Many people would rather complain - having a spun twist on every one else, on every situation and on every other moment of everyone else's life - other than taking responsibility for their own life - and changing what they do not like.

That is why this ripoffreport site exists - to feed off the complainers.

If you do not like the life you live - Change it.


So I think.

For all the world knows - every opp to build any business  - depends on the person, their interests, their financial pocketbook, and their own personal abilities of being able to do the tasks of the work involved ... and then - the ability to sell.         For those people who have not viewed what Joe offers as an opp to actually build a strong business doing what they may grow to love ... then the only consideration is the price tag - that has to be paid.       ... That same price tag - seperates the people who want to drive the new Lincoln SUVs from those people who drive Kia Sportages ...  sometimes.       ...  

Other times, you find yourself making the personal choice of whether to invest in yourself - or not.    It is what you make of it ... not what someone else says - making any claim about paying too much for too little.        My opinion is when you buy the low end price - you receive product - but no real guide or support in working to build your business.    Being a person who pays for and receives support in their business efforts - has a value that only people with out it will ever miss.       Value - is what a person places on every aspect of life.

... Personally, if I do not value what is done for me - I may resent it.    But usually after the fact - i grow to see the other point of view - with a meeting near the middle - of - I needed time to see just what the other point of view was.     Today, I work creating unique star presentations - (((link redacted)))- and it has taken 10 years of practice to be able to be creative ... and to be able to sell the art.      I would have never cried rip-off over having to pay a price to improve my standing.    ... "A Painter of Dreams".

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

A friend of mine was thinking of buying Starscapes and did a little research... in the process, they came across a company that sells a kit that is very similar.

This company is Stars-so-Bright, and their website is www.stars-so-bright.com.

They do NOT sell their kits as business opportunities, however, the kits teach you all the mechanics of how to paint star murals. The kits are sold as educational products, but the extra stuff that comes with the kits - the starchart, software, etc., - can also be used as sales tools.

When my friend called the company, he talked to the owner and asked him - what were the difference between these kits and Starscapes?

There are three main differences:

1) The price. These kits cost $120, while Starscapes costs $4000.
2) The quality of the paint - apparently this company provides a much better paint than the stuff Starscapes sells.
3) No marketing materials.

However, the owner of this company explained to my friend that the Starscapes marketing materials are mostly stuff you can make yourself - for example, t-shirts with a logo on them.

The nice thing about these kits, though - if you are thinking of trying Starscapes, you can get one of these kits for a LOT less and learn the techniques to see if you would like to do this as a business. If, after you get a kit, you decide you like the way it looks and your friends and family love it, then you can make a more informed decision about buying Starscapes if you decide you really want the marketing materials. Alternatively, you could spend a lot less money and spend a few hours in the library reading a couple of books on marketing and get a lot of the same information Starscapes provides.

I was the first person to attempt to expose the Starscapes scheme a few years ago. Joe (the wealthy founder) filed a rebuttal, challenging all my concerns about this venture. I didn't bother replying until now. The guy is an idiot, but a highly successful one so who are people going to believe? Today, I noticed someone who defended my claims and I decided to give a reply in the same "style" that Mr. Petrashek did.

JOE: claimed I must be from a competing company.
What a joke. What company? People have been painting star murals and the like for longer than Joe has been peddling his now $6000 box of junk. Go to GLOW FORUM and learn how from countless numbers of people for free. I am NOT from any competitor of any kind. I DID send for your "demo package" and after receiving it, I couldn't believe that anyone would send you a dime for anything. 2 thimbles of cheap paint and a toothpick?? There wasn't enough "paint" to even cover the pre-printed dots! I was so appalled at how cheesy everything looked. I couldn't imagine going into a nice, upper middle class home (like yours) with a wrinkled up piece of butcher paper and calling that a "portal!" After seeing the "demo package", I decided to try and expose this nonsense to other unsuspecting individuals.

JOE: claimed his "Galactification Machine" (no such word) is "one fine piece of equipment"
Oh yeah? let's see it Joe! Are you going to deny that it is nothing more than a star projector, similar to the ones sold in toy and hobby and science stores everywhere? Are you, Joe? Stop HIDING behind made-up names. Let's SEE what the folks get for 6 grand!

JOE: Coke doesn't give out their recipes, why should Starscapes identify the "proprietory equipment"?
BIG DIFFERENCE HERE, JOE! Coke is NOT a business opportunity! YOU are selling people things to start a business with! People have a right and should DEMAND to see every single thing they get for all that money! You are very good at skewing the facts here - comparing Starscapes and Coke. But that is about what I expected from a former magician. You manipulate truth. You had a novel idea many years ago. I give you that. But GREED has gotten the best of you. 

JOE: Claims to have his own "labs" where his paint is made.
WHERE exactly is your "lab" located, Joe? or is that a "trade secret" too. Do you actually OWN and OPERATE this "lab"? I do not believe this and neither do many others on glow paint forums all over the web. Not one person other than your own followers have one positive thing to say about you, your business, or your paint. So, where is YOUR lab, Joe? In your wife's kitchen?

I know you have sold a boatload of your "Star-Biz" schemes. You are an excellent marketer and manipulator of words. And yes, I know you have your "followers" who informed you of my original post. Like Barnum said, there is a sucker born every minute. And YOU sir, are a master at ferreting them out and selling them a dream. A pipe dream. Those who HAVE made money at this are people with artistic talent who could have done this with or without your "help". The average "Joe" is going to quickly find him or herself way over their head. And 6 GRAND in debt. To YOU. If you charged a nominal fee for what you send people, I wouldn't have a problem with you. But you have an enormous advertising budget because your ego demands it. Your EGO is what people are paying for. People in third-world countries yet! So instead of charging a reasonable fee to let people dabble in this, you go for the gold and get every dime you can. You won't let people even open the box without voiding the return policy! What a joke! They can return it if they don't open it?? Nice return policy, Joe. You know once they see what they just paid 6 very large for, their spouse will kill them. You are a money machine, Joe. I give you credit for that. But YOU are the only one who is going to see much money from Starscapes. If I have stopped ONE person from adding 6 Grand to your bank account, this post will have been worth it. Jason/ St. Louis, MO (now live in KC)

Now take your $10 black light, OOPS "activation wand" from ANYWHERE, you own glow paint (NOT FROM A HOBBIES OR CRAFT STORE THAT IS JUNK AND DOSENT GLOW) and your home star planetarium OOPS, Galactification Machine now turn on your Galactification Machine turn out the lights and NOW FOR THE ULTRA SECRET IDEA!! Paint the dots. WOW I just saved you $4000 Dollars. You can get free business cards, fliers, mailers, car magnets and so on, JUST DO YOUR RESEARCH! Look I commend and respect JOE as a Business person. Im just saving you from a $4000 thousand dollars mistake and yearly license fees, youre kidding, really license fees? Wow, anyway Im just someone trying to save you money and heartache. Thanks for reading, Oh and if you do buy JOES Starscape package at starscapes.com and find exactly what I described, I WARNED YOU. Patrick California, U.S.A.

Rip-Off Report's Readers-

For over 15 years I have completely dedicated myself and a full staff to the development of the Starscapes technology as well as the development of all of our thousands of customers. For this reason, it is shocking to me that a post such this one surfaces on the internet. Not only is this post factually inaccurate, but it seems as though the person writing it is from a competing company. Nevertheless, I will give you the facts versus the fiction about it.

Jason (JA) alleges the following:

JA; "The effect is rather novel and has some appeal for the wealthy and upscale, as you need to charge plenty for this "custom" paintjob."

In the 25 years I've been doing this, with customers in over 160 countries, I'd venture to say, that there isn't anyone, anywhere around the world, that doesn't like to stargaze. You do NOT have to charge a lot for your work. Low income people love this just as much as anyone else. Some Artists, in fact, donate work for charity. Just as in any business, if you want to make a higher profit, you raise your rate. Many jobs are sold off the brochures with a free and entertaining demonstration.

JA; You would have to market like crazy to make any money at this, as it's almost impossible to see the effect with brochures and sales pitches alone.

True, it is hard to put into words how amazing it actually is (even Jason agrees there), but he is ABSOLUTELY WRONG about obtaining customers. Believe it or not, some Artists get clients simply by having signage or lettering on their vehicles. Some get referrals. Whatever method you use, however, it still takes effort on your part. And by the way, successful business people always "market like crazy".

We provide a full demonstration kit so that the Artist can show their customers in their home. We also provide an entire online store dedicated to marketing material, promotional items and supplies. Finally, we provide two online forums where Artists are constantly swapping sales ideas and marketing techniques. Artists are constatly talking about their promotions at town fairs and other venues. At one recent small town event, the artist walked away with several dozen appointments. He'll be posting pictures online and telling the other members all about it.

JA; They charge over $4000.00 for the secret details of how to easily paint these murals including some mysterious equipment' he will not identify until after you've shelled out the cash

The Star-Biz package can be had for LESS than $4000 when it's on sale. The Program price includes the educational training, and everything you need (and listed on the website), along with our new, one of a kind, custom made, available nowhere else, professional Galactification Machine, built by us exclusively for our Artist-Illusionists. And as one Artist-Illusionist stated, "That's one FINE piece of equipment". All the rest agree.

While the Program may be a lot of money to others; it's not that much when you're making a business decision. Especially when you can get your money back with just a few, quick jobs. Every item in the world can be overpriced to some people. In a way, price can also help with exclusivity. Thereby limiting the quantity of the product in the marketplace.

Though he is correct in saying that they are easy to paint, anything is easy if you have the right tools and the right knowledge. That is why we provide each Artist-Illusionist with all of the necessary training materials, equipment, tools and applicators.

Of course we don't identify them and offer the training until you have become part of the Artist community. You don't see Coke giving out their recipe, or Pfizer sharing their drug formulas. I once spent a few thousand on a Wall Street stock picking method. Just a textual manual and a few audio tapes. Nothing more. It was well worth the price, and actually more valuable at that. Like a college course, or technical school, you pay for an experts knowledge and experience. But with the StarBiz, you get more.

JA; His demonstration poster', designed to give potential customers a sample of what the finished mural looks like, is a wrinkled up piece of paper with little circles that you have to paint yourself

Anyone can see for themselves how amazing the star illusion really looks, before they get the StarBiz program. Order the Introductory Package, which contains the Amazing 3-D Demonstration Portal Poster, then simply show it around to some friends. If you hear them say, "Wow! When can you do my room?", then you'll be more informed as to knowing whether or not this is for you. Common sense.

Let me make something clear. Nearly all of our Artists order the demo poster and are so blown away by it that they become full-time Artist-Illusionists. Obviously the demonstration is amazing so amazing that Jason must have ordered one and then ordered the StarBiz package or wait, could we have caught him in a lie? Clearly he has not seen the StarBiz system, technologies, or products, because he never would have ordered them if he didn't like the demo poster. Oh yeah, and the poster is FREE as long as you pay the $15 for shipping and handling. In the USA, we use USPS Priority Mail.

JA; In addition, he soaks you for a monthly fee to keep your license' active

Once again, more proof that Jason was never an Artist-Illusionist; and, he doesn't believe in the product. The licensees have exclusive access to our free customer support and promotional materials, unlimited business support (of which I provide a lot MYSELF, along with my home and cell phone numbers), as well as completely redesigned websites, software sales brochures, etc. On top of that some Artist-Illusionists license "territory" as well Furthermore, this is all an OPTIONAL fee. Of course, JA would have known that if he actually took part in the system.

The Artist-Illusionist's webpages do not contain links to the company website. Never have. Unless, the artist is an active "affiliate" and has requested that his "coded link" be placed on his webpage.


JA; Yes, he offers a money back policy but he knows most people will never ask for it.

In 15 years and thousands of customers, we have received over 300 testimonials in writing, audio, and video (all on the website). As long as we have been in business we have only had a small handful of people ask for their money back as will happen with any business. A PROMPT refund was always given. Oh yes once again no one named Jason has ever asked for a refund.

JA; All of the paint and supplies to do this venture can be found on the internet with little research.

Good luck doing this. We formulate our own paint for our purpose, in our own lab.

JA; When I asked to join his Yahoo user group, as a guest, so I could actually talk to other people doing this and find out first hand the real truth, he denied my request.

This is how it works. Yahoo shows me when there is a request to join the group. If I don't recognize the name, they're simply not admitted.

It wasn't designed for the busy Artists (it's not their job) to spend their own time answering redundant questions that would be asked from outsiders. Questions like "How much money are you making, how do you do it, and do you think I can do this too?" No. The user group is for Artist-Illusionists only. A place to call home, and make friends and exchange useful ideas.

We have plenty of resources for those who want to find out how people are doing with the StarBiz.

Think about it. Why would I put my name, picture, life, and reputation on the line for over 15 years if it wasn't working? I have a real life, with a real family, in a real place. I have struggled before to "make ends meet" and I know what it is like to have an extra source of income. I also know what it is like to do something that you love and are loved for. If anyone has questions about the StarBiz, the business, or otherwise please feel free to call me at 1-480-615-7646. For complete details, visit www.starscapes.com .

By the way, I was made aware of JA's post shortly after it was posted. Who by? By a new Artist-Illusionist, whom became a customer just eight days after reading the post.

Joe Petrashek, Founder
Starscapes.com