Talala Oolagah Lady Talala Discrimination Victim Internet

I find it amusing that the group owner resorts to name calling and then tries to tell others how mature she is.  She then claims that there is no proof behind anything I've said.  This is also false.  The fact is that EVERYTHING I've said, accept the bit about her changing the group's page (as I forgot to take a picture of it), IS provable FACT.  However, don't simply take my word for it.  I'm only relaying mine and my wife's personal experience with this group.  I currently have few email addresses that neither the Owner nor the Moderator knows about that are still subscribed to this group.  As such, I can read what they say and how others are treated.

Notice that she's never denied the things I've said concerning the Llewellyn author, Silver Ravenwolf. She has banned even talking about her books on her group, yet she keeps a copy of at least one spell (Those Pesky Traffic Lights) in her group's Spells section.  Silver Ravenwolf's books are NOT listed in the groups sources and, as I understand it, no permission was given for them to publish this.

They have offended at least one Satanist recently and then banned ALL discussion of Satanism.  Satanism is a Left Hand Path Religion (LHP).  Take a look at both the group's home page and the post from the group owner above.  LHP is said to be a welcome topic on the Witchcraft_And_Magic group.

What I would like people to do is take an honest look at this woman's group.  Look at the claims they make and how people on there are treated.  Obviously, should you like the way people are treated there when they ask for metaphysical\spiritual help or disagree with ANY of the religious beliefs of the Moderator or Owner, feel free to stay there.

However, I urge anyone that is NOT happy there or feels they have been mistreated to post their own complaint or add to this one.  I cannot\will not post their personal information (email address, etc.) here.  However, look on the Witchcraft_And_Magic forum after joining.  You will find one of two things: 1. Posts that are missing.  This means that you will see numbers skip when going through old\recent posts on the site.  (The Owner and Moderator does this to cover up their own mistreatment of others and instances where they've broken their own list rules) And\Or 2. incidents where members and the Moderator have harassed those that do not agree with them and ESPECIALLY incidents where they have refused to give metaphysical\spiritual help to those that have asked.

They claim to be a group where "AUTHENTIC Witchcraft and Magick" can be found (beware of any group that makes such claims, as they are implying that other sources are false.  This claim is usually little more than a publicity stunt to lure unsuspecting members of the general public to their group), yet they are not willing to offer any help to those that request it.  The owner also stated on this complaint site that her group does not do formal teaching, yet, on her Home Page, she claims this is a place for others "from the Novice to the experienced WITCH" to come to seek knowledge.

In short, she says that the group is a place for people to go to learn, but that the group does not teach.  Sounds like double-speak to me.  BTW, I am 33 years old.  I'll be 34 this year.

I am the group owner and again the complaint is/has been misconstrued for the reader, to purposely mislead the reader of said complaint.

He states many things, nothing can he prove.

This is the description of my group, it has not been changed for many YEARS, though accordingly to the whiner, he was able to facilitate some change. I assure you, he cannot and is not able to, no where does it state that everyone is welcome, but I do not make the decision of whether you want to be a member or not. but the very first line is a clue, ADULT (the whiner is not) and WITCH.
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Recently, members of this group gave false information about Satanism and harassed a Satanist about their beliefs.  They told her that her beliefs were basically just another form of Christianity (paraphrased but accurate).

The Owner (or Moderator, as I do not know if Talala's Moderator privileges would allow her to do this) changed the group's Home Page.  In no longer reads, "All Paths are Welcome here".  The subject of Satanism has also been banned for discussion in this group.  So, while this group is not, by any means, a good source of practical information for anyone seeking genuine knowledge of witchcraft or any of the topics presented on the group's Home Page: they at least are no longer presenting the false picture of all paths being welcome there.  They still discriminate against people and run the group like a dictatorship, but they have, at least, removed the false claim that "all paths are welcome" from their Home Page.

IMO, they are not very knowledgeable about any of the topics presented on the group's home page.  Or, if they are, that knowledge is not shared on the group.  When someone attempts to provide information that has been asked for, they get their ability to post removed and they get banned.  Also, it's been stated on the list that this group is not for teaching.  So, the Home Page should not, imo, state that the group is a source of "AUTHENTIC Witchcraft and Magick".

There are many groups that are much better.

This email was sent to my wife by the group owner.  In it, the group owner, "Morgaine le Fey" states that Lady Talala (Lady T) is her daughter.

Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Discrimination Complaint regarding this group and its Senior Moderator


This is what he filed on the group, I would appreciate an apology there as because 
of what he has done, this report becomes a PERMANENT Record. I would appreciate any help, I feel that he is targeting not only Lady T (who BTW is my daughter and I have taught everything that I know) but also the Witchcraft And Magic group. I hope you have it your heart to post an amendment on this complaint? Thank you.

 Morgaine le Fey

This is an email from Lady Talala that was posted on the Witchcraft And Magic group:

'Re: How you seen this?
Yes, I know about it ........
Yes, he is complaining about me ..........

No, I did not remove his posting abilities or ban him;
the group owner made those calls herself.
I told him so as well in an email that I sent him when
I sent him private copies of emails, plus the group
owner has complete access to everything in the group.

I have been worried about the group owner, as she has
been so sick and weak (tired), then he goes and posts
IMHO this garbage ......

Whenever someone asks me why they can't post?
I check it out, most times it is just a problem with
Yahoo, but J refuses to admit that problems with Yahoo
had helped out, he took it personally out on me.

It is an interesting read ........

As the group owner does not have a daughter, she has
a son, daughter-in-law and 2 grandsons .......

So, a lot is left to the imagination.

I did check out his web site, plagiarized from a lot
of other places, claims it all his own, has books to
sell.

Oh yes, the "Rev" he would use in his name, fake;
got a paper from an on-line church.
He is no more spiritual than Rev Jim Jones
(if you remember who he was)

Talala (didn't think my name was THAT unusual)'

Additionally, they do not give proper credit to all their sources for the information that they've simply copied online.  To add insult to injury, they ripped off at least one spell from Silver Ravenwolf, the very well known author about whom discussion on the group is actually banned by the Owner.
They have also directly accused ME of Plagiarism.  Any information from MY website that comes from books will have those books listed as sources in the appropriate sections bibliography.

However, observe the following example of Witchcraft_And_Magic's plagiarism:

This spell can be found in the group's files section at this location:
in files/spells/Invisibility, Levitation, and Traffic Lights:

'THOSE PESKY TRAFFIC LIGHTS
This is when you come upon a stale green light. It should make it stay green just long
enough for you to get through it.
Count of one, this spells begun,
Count of two, all lights in tune,
Count of three, all lights stay green for me
Tap your seat three times and say: So mote it be'

Now, here is the spell from Silver Ravenwolf's books:
This can be done either before you leave or while sitting at a light. Say, "On the count of one this spells begun. On the count of two all lights in tune. On the count of three all lights stay green for me!" Visualize all the lights from that point to your destination all being green for you. Then lightly tap the wheel with the palm of your hand three times saying, "One, two, three. So mote it be!" Then, forget it.  Silver Ravenwolf also takes the time to teach people the foundation that makes magick effective.  IMO, she is a good teacher of eclectic witchcraft.

The above spell can be found (and was their first) in the book, To Ride A Silver Broomstick by Silver RavenWolf.  Its bad enough that the group plagiarized spells from her book, but to ban conversations about her work while doing it is horrible, imo.

From the Witchcraft_And_Magic files section:
in FILES/WAM/Necessary Topic Bans
Necessary Topic Bans for the Witchcraft And Magic group

Why are topic bans necessary?

Because some members get real emotional
about some topics while others are insulting
and sarcastic so it's just safer.

Please the WAM Off-Topic group for such discussions.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WAM_Off_Topic/

Temporary Bans- Until further notice:

Silver RavenWolf (and ALL of her books)

Christianity vs Paganism

movie: Passion of the Christ

This group professes to teach Magick, however, the definition of magick used by the moderator (and perhaps the owner) is not even remotely consistent with commonly the commonly accepted understanding of the subject.

WAMs implied definition of Magick: Magick is nothing more than a request made to deity.  Regardless of past successes and other factors, a deity may always refuse a request, rendering the spell or ritual ineffective.  Therefore, Magick does not always work.

Aleister Crowley's definition of Magick: Magick is the Art and Science of causing change to occur in conformity with Will.

Dion Fortune's definition of Magick: Magick is the Art and Science of causing change in consciousness to occur in conformity with Will.  (Dion Fortune was a Psychologist.  Her real name was Violet Firth.)  As an example of her beliefs, if you perform a spell for money, on the way home from work shortly thereafter, you may have something affect your consciousness (perhaps a small you are curious about, hearing someone call your name, etc.) that results in you taking a different route to return home.  On the way home, you find 10.00 on the ground.

Donald Michael Kraig's definition of Magick is: Magick is the Art and Science of causing change to occur in conformity with Will, using means not currently understood by Traditional Western Science.

My definition of Magick is: Magick is the Art and Science of causing change to occur, using Nonphysical means (using your Will, Mind and Energy).

All three of these definitions have similarities and slight variations.  However, one thing about them is completely unchanged.  MAGICK ALWAYS WORKS.

As you can see, my definition is not much different than either Dion Fortune's or Don Kraig's.  Now, regardless of if you agree with my definition or not (I'm not asking you to), the fact remains that this is part of MY religious path.  The home page on the site states that ALL PATHS ARE WELCOME.  The rules of the site state that NO ONE is allowed to mock another's beliefs.  The Moderator, Lady Talala, ignored this rule and mocked my beliefs repeatedly.  Morgaine le Fey, the Owner, defended the actions of the Moderator because she is her Daughter.

I consider most of the individuals that read these things to be intelligent and quite capable of making their own decisions.  Feel free to spend some time checking out their group for yourself.  They have bragged that they have over 4000 members and claim that their membership increased as a result of me filing this complaint.

However, they do not follow their own rules, have their own peculiar definition of magick and do not even believe that magick always works.  I have emails and such from the group proving this.  

I was officially kicked out of the group for stating my beliefs and for defending them (after the Moderator attacked them), which disagreed with theirs.  I did this not to attempt to change\convert anyone, but to show the basis for the point of view I have about giving practical metaphysical information to those that ask for it, regardless of the circumstances.

For this belief and for defending it, I was mocked by the Moderator, who was backed by the Owner, as she stated in her posts on this forum, had my ability to post messages manipulated and revoked and banned from the group.

My wife was removed and banned by the owner, not because she did anything wrong (she had no part in the conversation, as can be verified with the emails I have in my possession), but simply because she is my wife.

I do not recommend this group to anyone seeking genuine metaphysical\magick\witchcraft knowledge.  IMO, they are nothing more than a cult posing as a Witchcraft group.

Never once was it said that anyone should use magick before medical attention for bleeding, this statement was puled from the behind of the owner and her daughter, Talala.

to enlighten everyone, and Innocent bystander was shunned/banned for simply being related to the person reporting the ripoff report.  claiming that he could use it to read posts and post himself under that name. yes this is possible but it is also true that he could do that under anyone's account, and he could also create a new account.

what happened during these events was a lady asked for MAGICKAL help with an issue, and was told no help but save one or so people. all that she was told was to go to the doctor. keep in mind that this is a "magick" group not a doctor group. If they wished to say that they could have said "i am sorry i don't know how to i am of no help but i am concerned, you may want to get her looked at in case it is serious." but in stead the said things along the lines that she was full of it go get help and stop being so "christian".

all that the Ripoff reporter did was the same that Talala, the owners daughter did, but for magick, where as Talala was against it. Talala is also guilty of "flaming". Yet, because she is the daughter of the owner, she is aloud to stay while the ripoff reporter was banned along with a relative that was also in the group, but did nothing wrong and was not even in the discussion.

All things said by the ripoff reporter were verifiable facts and were part of his religious path, which it clearly states on the group home page "all paths are accepted."

By the way i am the wife of the ripoff reporter and was banned from the group simply because i am married to him.

The woman, Amber, asked for metaphysical help because she believed her sister was possessed.  What she was seeking was information about exorcism.  If she wanted advice from a Doctor or Mental Health expert, she would have posed a question about her sister's "strange behavior' (I doubt she would have told such a person that she believed it was a possession).  She didn't.  She sought metaphysical knowledge to deal with a suspected possession.  Instead of giving her the information that she asked for, most of this group, the Moderator included, told her to get her sister into a Mental Health facility (paraphrased but accurate).

Now, when the Moderator, Talala, closed the topic (an which on ANY OTHER FORUM means that NO ONE is allowed to continue the conversation and, on this one, means that you cannot even create a new topic or post messages that reference things from the one the Moderator has closed) called "Demonic Possession", she blocked my ability to post and proceeded to continue the conversation.  She did so by creating a new topic called, "Magic on Demand?!"  In this topic, she mocked my religious beliefs (I assume due to her being upset over me helping Amber against the wishes of Talala and many members of the group by telling her how to do an Exorcism) and continued the conversation that she'd just said was CLOSED.

Now, if anyone else had done this, they'd have their ability to post removed and be banned.  The reason that Talala was allowed to do it, imo is because not only is she the Moderator.  She is the DAUGHTER of the OWNER.  That's right.  The woman calling herself Morgaine le Fey is Talala's MOTHER!

The groups's rules state that once a moderator closes a topic, its over.  The group rules also state that mocking another's beliefs will not be tolerated.  However, as demonstrated by Talala's behavior in the group, those rules should read, "When a Moderator closes a topic, only the moderator may continue it...in any manner she chooses." and "Moderators may mock the beliefs of the members because they have the power to control the actions of the members that would object to this behavior.  They can and will do this by removing members' ability to post and ban members and their immediate family, whenever they wish and for any reason."

IMO, this group is nothing more than a cult.  If you wish to see this for yourself, go and take a look. It may take a bit for the group's true colors to come out, but it's their.  There are lots of wonderful occult\metaphysical yahoo groups online and I used to think this was one of them.  How wrong I was.  

BTW, they even banned even simple discussion of a VERY well known Pagan author.  This can be seen clearly in the Rules on the Witchcraft And Magic group.  The author that the Owner banned approaches Magick scientifically, in much the same way that I and many other practitioners do.

Also, what disappoints me isn't being banned, etc.  What disappoints me is that they would go to such extreme measures because I gave help to someone that requested it.  When someone asks for assistance or information, they should be given what they ask for.  The Owner, Moderator, and most of the people on this group disagree.  That is a shame, but not unexpected.  As I said in another complaint, most of the information on Magick that is on the group was copied from other sources\books.

Another thing that was told to me, bragging, is that they thanked me for posting this ripoff report, as they claim that it helped their popularity.  I just hope that the people that went there are able to see the group for the Ignorant Dictatorship that it is (My Opinion).

I am the group owner of the Yahoo group Witchcraft and Magic and I apologize for the behavior of this person making this complaint about Talala of Witchcraft And Magic; IMHO he just wants to have something/someone to file a complaint against, seems that is all that he is good at, making complaints.

He is unhappy because I emailed him the very reasons for his removal from the Witchcraft And Magic group was for his extremely rude behavior and bad on-line manners, being disrespectful; not just to Talala; but to other Witchcraft And Magic members as well; he wants Witchcraft And Magic members to go along with just his "original" brand of magic and this was something the other Witchcraft and Members would not do.

So he is weaving this complaint of not quite whole cloth; the post of the sick sister was correct; the post that he was the only one who said magic would help her; (when other members of Witchcraft And Magic just wanted to make sure that she was checked out medically BEFORE pursuing the path of magic) was also correct. Other than that, there is nothing solid for him to base a claim on.

If a person is bleeding, there is no person that I know of that would believe all you need to do is say/do a magic spell and the bleeding will stop all by itself, as if by magic.
No, common sense tells you to put a cloth on it and seek medical attention.

So I invite you to visit the Witchcraft And Magic group and see/read/post for yourself, the Witchcraft And Magic group has existed since 2002, we must be doing something right.

Yahoo does have certain Rules and so the Witchcraft And Magic group has certain Rules as well, I recommend that you read them first before posting to the group, but it is also common courtesy to respect other Witchcraft And Magic member's beliefs and not to make judgments on others, which seems to be the problem here.

If he wants to run a Yahoo group, he should just start his own Yahoo group.