• Report: #496104
Complaint Review:

Target Store

  • Submitted: Wed, September 16, 2009
  • Updated: Sun, September 27, 2009

  • Reported By: Jackson — Jefferson Missouri USA
Target Store
Stadium Blvd Jefferson City, Missouri United States of America

Target Store Target Discriminatory, Lies, Harrassment, Unfair Jefferson City, Missouri

*General Comment: I know what you mean, Ronny.

*Consumer Comment: It's all good Andromeda

*General Comment: Oh, Ronny, I owe you an apology

*Consumer Comment: Andromeda, I think you misunderstood my intent....

*General Comment: I guess you were trying to be rude...

*Consumer Comment: Andromeda, you actually proved your own point..and Ashley?

*Author of original report: Thanks Ashley Were the #1 On Target Ripoff Report

*Consumer Comment: You have your way I have mine

*General Comment: Just my opinion.

*Consumer Comment: Ashley, it's okay to be blunt..

*Consumer Comment: I'll bite

*Consumer Comment: Sorry if I'm blunt

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Did I ask for your opinions Ashley, Robert, Flynnrider? No

*Consumer Comment: Okay Robert and Ashley..lets see if I got this right..

*Consumer Comment: Issues I know about

*Consumer Comment: Since you asked..

*General Comment: To the paid Target rebuttalists...

*Consumer Comment: On second thought

*Consumer Comment: Another small note

*Consumer Comment: Robert, Ashley and Flynrider...

*Consumer Comment: Busted.

* : You got me...

* : How Much Are They Paying You?????

* : Just because..

* : Employed

* : Race isn't a "thing" to get over.

* : You're the delusional one

* : Slave Drivers

* : Understandable

* : fired

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I am another ex-employee of Target.  I once worked for Target and like all the other complaints filed yes this company doesn't plan on keeping their employees. 

I recently got hired at Target and like other reports my job ended before my probationary period was up. 

I remember being pulled in one day from my register by Team Lead Misty Byland to see the ETL for guest services Jessica Wall to ask me about some gum.  "She ask me if I remember ringing up some gum for .02 from last week."

 I told her I couldn't remember ringing up gum for .02 from the last week. I was thinking the whole time who could remember ringing up gum from the previous week. We have so many customers. 

Then she goes on stating that I did and she has to remind me about the 15.00 range is what we have when pricing items without a price.  She never once showed me anything where I could see that I had done this err in pricing. 

And why would she ask me about this .02 gum that "she says I rung up if she has it on paper.

When we take our breaks. GSA Kylie states to us to turn our lights off 5 min before our breaks then go to break. 

So thats what I did for my break.  Then I get pulled to the side by Misty Byland and was told that we have to tell the GSA when we are going on breaks. 

I told her that Kylie told us to turn off our lights 5 mins before our breaks and then go to break.  So Misty tells me that I can't do that.  She says notify the GSA. I say what if we can't find them she notify the GSA. 

I say once again what if we can't find them because we are at register and can't walk the floor searching for them.  She finally says with a big huff "Tell Guest Service to tell GSA  There are times when I have work 7 hours and I was suppose to get a two 15min breaks and only got one 15 min break. 

The board clearly states when working at least 7 and fewer than 11 hours we are to get two 15 min breaks and a 30 min lunch.  I was also brought in about mocking an employee at the store which was not true by Kim Bond GSA to Robin Kunkel in HR and Amanda Stevens  with Logistics. 

 She totally called me a liar and took the other girl side to the story.  I said to her if there was a problem that the girl has with me how come we could work it out between me and her.  She would'nt even give me the girl's name and she states that I acted very rude to other employees. 

 I said this is the first time I have heard of this and who are these people?  Once again she wouldn't tell me who these so called employees were.  Like I said I told her I haven't never heard of this she says "Now You Have".  Then threaten to terminate me if this happen again.

Robin Kunkel is very rude with the way she talks to people she thinks that her HR position allows her to talk to people anyway she wants to.  She came to me one day when I was writing down my schedule and very rudely says "Are You Ready To Start Work"  I told her no because its too early. 

She says very rudely "Who Are You?" I proceed to tell her that my ride got me here to early and I'm writing down my schedule and then I leaving.  She knows that we don't have to start early if we don't want to but she likes to bully people along with Amanda Steven with Logistics. 

They also have a swap list where if you can't get the day off that you want thenyou can put it on they list and someone can signup to swap your shift.  But if no one signsup for it then you have to work your shift. 

For some people that use that swap sheet if no one signup for it then they start calling people at home as early as 8:00 am even when you have work a late shift and are trying to sleep. 

Oh yeah the store manager Deb Pease doesn't care about employees because one of the times that I was suppose to get my second 15 min break I informed Deb Pease and she said "we can fix that". 

Well she never did I had to go to GSA Melissa and tell her about the company policy about the two 15 min breaks thats posted on the board.

About at least 7 hours and fewer than 11 hours.  She said would look at the board and see if that was true.  She did come back and let me have another 15 min break.  I said she should know about this already since she said she has been with this company for  2 years.  

Also one night it was slow and Kim Bond was the GSA that night.  And Jimmy was the ETL over Hardlines he tells them over the walkies that they could let some people go home early.  Well it was only two people at the registers Susan who is white and myself African American. 

Kim goes over to Susan and tells her that she can go home early.  I said how can she go home early when i got hear before her and you didn't even ask me.  She says that we can fight over who can go home. 

I told her no I said since you have already told her that she can go home then let her go.  But the way you did it was unfair. THIS COMPANY NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED!!!!!!!!

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#1 General Comment

I know what you mean, Ronny.

AUTHOR: Andromeda - (USA)

I think the word discrinination has become too narrow a term.  Everyone faces discrimination at one time or another.  You can be white, black, Spanish, Indian, male, female, or just someone with purple dyed hair, and a few facial piercings.  There is always a reason not to like someone else.  It really doesn't take much.  Everyone is different, and I am no exception.  I have unpopular ideas, I'm older than I am inside, and I can be a bit opinionated.  (I bet you didn't know that last part.)  Now if someone doesn't like me, they can move along.  I don't really care, and I don't need them.  It does however make it more difficult when you have to work with, or worse FOR that person.  I've been there too.  I have enough personal problems in my life to take any crap from someone else though, and I speak up when I've had enough.  There is a time to get along, and a time to stand up for yourself.  You just have to learn the difference. 

My boyfriend is Spanish, and I am, well, not.  I know the feeling when you walk into a store and everyone speaks spanish, and you know only a few words.  I get by on "gracias".  The trick is to not let it show that you are out of your element.  Be the way you would be in any other area.  If you show that you belong, you will to most people.  Again though, there is the exception to every rule.  

Discrimination is not limited to any one area, or any one group of people.  It's everywhere, though I like to believe that we as human beings have made some strides in that area.  After all, a majority of voters voted for Obama even if there are those that take pride in the pot shots they are able to take at him. 

I am glad you are doing as well as you are.  I am hoping soon that I can get back to my writing.  I have a book idea that has advanced further than any other idea I have had, but I keep letting personal crises get in the way to actually take time out to work on it.  Guess that's why I've had time for ROR.

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#2 Consumer Comment

It's all good Andromeda

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

I find it is more difficult at times to admit my own flaws, then to notice others. I had a gut feeling you would understand.

As far as this particular report..I haven't been able to make a conclusion that would allow me to rebut or agree with any integrity, so I remain neutral.

I have however "felt" at times discriminated against..or I guess the PC term is "reverse discrimination". I have lived and worked in 5 different states..and many areas in each of those states. But for the last year I have been living in Los Angeles..and parts of it really are like another country. The people do not speak English..or speak and comprehend it very poorly, and even the signs are not in English. And I feel sometimes I am prejudged, mocked or otherwise disrespected when I am in these areas and businesses. I am also EXTREMELY fortunate that I was able to transfer my job since it is a worldwide corporation, do some freelance writing and and can run a home business on the side.

Because in the area I currently reside in..if I was unemployed and needed to hit the streets for work..I doubt anyone would even consider me..and would use my 3 page resume for toilet paper or birdcage liner.
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#3 General Comment

Oh, Ronny, I owe you an apology

AUTHOR: Andromeda - (USA)

I read the last post first (from Jackson), and your post second and thought that was from Jackson as well.  I thought he couldn't resist pointing out the error I left in.  I was ready for it, but apparently too ready, or not enough.  I stand by what I said though, referring to Jackson.  I don't believe it was critical of Jackson, just a suggestion that retail was possibly not the appropriate environment for him.  He is looking for consistency in an inconsistent world.  There are good managers, and managers that should never have been put in charge, but that doesn't mean discrimination plays a part.  It also must be very difficult not to say something when you know things are not being done correctly or fairly.  Jackson said he is self-employed, and is probably used to things a certain way.  Anyone who has worked in retail knows that managers, good or bad will always have their way, and do not like to be questioned or put into a defensive position, but Jackson might have thought he could change things by speaking out. 

The other post I referred to as immature was the "we're number 1" thing.  *shakes head* 

That is probably a bad habit, reading the last thing first.  I read magazines the same way.  It is just one of my quirks.  I am well aware of my flaws, and the only thing you can do about personal flaws is change them, or accept them (most of which I have).  So in accepting that I am not without flaws, and can admit to my mistakes, I do sincerely apologize, Ronny, and thank you for the compliment. 

Oh, and Edgeman, if you ever find out how someone can apply to be an ROR "rebuttaslist" please let me know.  I would be genuinely interested to make a few extra dollars in my spare time.  (No sarcasm intended.)  It would be preferable to retail. 



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#4 Consumer Comment

Andromeda, I think you misunderstood my intent....

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

I was in no way trying to be rude...I assume your last post was directed at me? I complemented you about being so articulate..and as a writer myself..understand how you feel. I also HATE it when anyone tries to sidetrack an issue by mocking a typo or spelling error..especially when it is evident the person is educated, intelligent and clearly capable of effective communication.

Now what you have to understand as well...is that it is very easy to misinterpret a reply on a forum. As not everyone can pick up sarcasm..and may take it as insult..or to comprehend if someone is speaking figuratively.and their true emotional state. In other words..it is too easy to jump to conclusions..and become presumptuous.

It is very very important if you do not wish to be made a fool of..that you CAREFULLY read and re read something before you respond in a knee jerk fashion (and Lord knows I have done it myself and have been made a fool of...aka "foot in mouth condition"). Because in this case..you accused me of the EXACT opposite of what my intent was ..and insulted someone who is actually 100% on your side..and empathizes with your feelings..so why the negativity towards me personally?...if this is the case. I am not sure if you are actually responding to me because I assumed you of all people would comprehend my intent..maybe I misjudged you?

As far as my replies to Ashley..lets just say we have a little "history" together on this forum..albeit it a brief one. I stated my opinion of her attitude..and made some suggestions that may help her to "teach" people her views..she often upsets and provokes anger here to people who come to lodge a complaint..and only adds fuel to the fire..I have yet to see her actually help someone. Yes..she has given good advice at times..but by being so abrasive and demeaning..it just caused animosity towards her..and no real solution.

Now..and here is the clincher... I think by you not actually reading these posts..but jumping to conclusions..you have me confused with someone else..or the original poster. I never had problems with Target. I have never worked at a Target. I have never aurgued with management..and for many years have been in management or higher positions, including business ownership and district level of huge corporations.

I was never fired from Target..since I never worked for them..and I was never fired from any job in my life.

Mentioning the error was to VALIDATE what you were implying with your post..that it is not right to belittle or insult someone over a typo or spelling error since it has no bearing on their argument..and does nothing to measure their intelligence or credentials..I was AGREEING with you..and you attacked me, and implying that someone articualte such as yourself..can incur a spelling error. I also mentioned how obvious your intent was (remember pompous?)..so perhaps we should practice what we preach? Misunderstandings happen..do they not? So you attack me and come to the defense of someone who was knocking down an alleged victim of discrimination and unfair work conditions..great..another hero.

I certainly do not think I know everything..but I have my opinion of what is right or wrong..and I try to understand what someone is saying before I open my mouth and insert said foot into it.

As far as Target..well I have been in there a few times. The place is huge and has almost everything you could ever need for daily life..and great prices. But if you need help with anything..good luck. Maybe the 17 year old kid stocking cat food can help me pick out a TV?

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#5 General Comment

I guess you were trying to be rude...

AUTHOR: Andromeda - (USA)

...considering your last post to Ashley.  I didn't think her posts were that offensive; she just didn't agree with you.  That last post to her was pretty immature.  Maybe that's why you had problems at Target.  Managers don't like argumentative employees.  Maybe they were fishing for reasons to let you go since your work didn't provide a valid reason. 

I wanted to see if you would comment on the one error I left in.  Know-it-alls don't last long in the work place.  You could have just let it go, but I can tell you are the type of person that always has an opinion, always points out things others miss to feel more important, and you think you know everything.  I can certainly see you mocking another employee.  A company such as Target wants people that are team players, not people that think they should be in charge and is condescending to those that are.  I highly doubt this had anything to do with discrimination. 

Oh, I typed this rather quickly.  Think of any spelling mistakes as a bonus.  Enjoy. 
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#6 Consumer Comment

Andromeda, you actually proved your own point..and Ashley?

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

You are very articulate as is evident...but even you had a typo or spelling error..

"Many others are just pampas, arrogant, and boorish snobs"

I can confidently state you meant to type "pompous",,and judging by the responses of some people here...that term is quite befitting.

And Ashley...yes you have a right to post here...and I guess you have a right to the way you post..but still...your attitude really is lousy..and I truly believe you when you state you don't care what anyone else thinks...I guess that is what makes you..."you".

And I guess nothing I can say or suggest will change that...so if your are satisfied with your crusade to "teach" everyone..and the only result is people getting angry and despising you...then I guess you can say with pride... "mission accomplished".
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#7 Author of original report

Thanks Ashley Were the #1 On Target Ripoff Report

AUTHOR: Jackson - (USA)

Thanks Ashley for allowing us to be No.1.  But it's not just you... Robert and Flynnrider did help too. (I have to give credit, where credit is due.) I have a little FYI for you Ashley your rebuttals help our case.  Because if you "thought" that this case was unmerited than you wouldn't keep responding.  I guess you are so angry with your LIFE (or lack thereof) that this is your means of escape.  You are a coward...you come to this public forum, where no one can be seen face to face and spew diarrhea from your mouth as if we are suppose to get AFARID of you...yea, I'm really scared. If I saw you out on the street you wouldn't even have the gaul to look me in the face and say these things to me. DOESN'T BOTHER ME NONE :) Let me guess you live alone and have nine cats because every angry woman "if thats what you are" needs a MAN.  So keep posting Robert, Flynnrider and Especially YOU ASHLEY.  Thank you and goodnight.


RING RING RING...that's the bell...class dismissed! (in the background..."WE'RE NO. 1, WE'RE NO. 1, WE'RE NO. 1...TARGET STINKS THEY ARE FONY FAKE AND FULLL OF IT).

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#8 Consumer Comment

You have your way I have mine

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

and that's just how it is. I"ve tried tact, and being nice, and people still do not listen.

" tell me Ashley..what good has that accomplished for ANYONE??????  ...other then causing some people to despise you..is that what you really want? "

I could care less. I do not need nor desire approval of anonymous people on the internet.
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#9 General Comment

Just my opinion.

AUTHOR: Andromeda - (USA)

I had no intension of replying to this post, but one statement caught my attention. 

Clearly you have no grammar because you can't express yourselves in your rebuttals.


I lost count of the number of times I have read where someone criticized another person for spelling and/or grammatical errors on ROR and other places on the internet.  Its kind of a pet peeve for me. 


Everyone makes typos, but that does not mean they dont know how to spell, and unless you took any advanced English classes or are an avid reader, grammatical errors happen.  Grammar errors do not in any way negate what a person has to say; does not make any one person more intelligent than someone else (they may have a lot more knowledge in a number of other areas that you dont have).  In my opinion they stem from common speech habits, a language other than English being someones first language, or being emotional while they are writing (which I am guilty of on occasion).  For example, Jackson, if you reread your first post you will find a great many grammatical errors, and some spelling errors.  Your second post had far less.  Later posts also had a few.  I am a writer, and an avid reader, but I would never chastise anyone for their speech, or writing ability.  In your case I would attribute it to your high emotional state because of the way you perceived your treatment at Target, and the critical responses youve received regarding your post.  Many others are just pampas, arrogant, and boorish snobs who will always feel it is necessary to point out unimportant details as a major failing just to be rude.  I know your intention was not to be rude, but that is the way it came across since you made many errors yourself. 


The bottom line is; it is in very poor taste to criticize someone for their grammatical and/or spelling mistakes in my opinion. 

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#10 Consumer Comment

Ashley, it's okay to be blunt..

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

..if it is done with tact.

I am very blunt at times. But at what point is a line drawn between blunt and rude? Or cruel. Or unsympathetic? Now I can admit I can be harsh and abrasive and come out swinging...but that is when I am provoked..or coming to the defense of myself or another. I would never attack someone who I can tell that they themselves honestly believe they were ripped off or treated unfairly..who am I or anyone to tell others how to "feel"?

You see when people come here in most cases..whether they were right or wrong..they are angry and upset and could have had a loss..be it a job..or financial. Sometimes it may have been all their fault..sometimes there were contributing factors..be it either way..how is being rude going to result in any positive outcome? How is kicking someone when they are down going to provoke them to do anything but get more angry..and perhaps can cause them to be even more resistant to come to terms of reality..or a compromise?

So although you may mean well, I myself am am not so sure but will give you the benefit of the doubt..perhaps if you were a little more polite and a little less "blunt"..you could help more people to understand your side..rather then just add fuel to the fire or make them even more defensive..to the point where people are name calling and acting like children...tell me Ashley..what good has that accomplished for ANYONE??????  ...other then causing some people to despise you..is that what you really want?

I understand many people come here just to complain and have no actual ripoff to report..but if any complaint involved financial or job loss, or loss of property..then that person lodging it here may have legitimate reason to feel they were ripped off. If you disagree and for some reason feel it is your duty to "teach" them your side..try doing it with kindness and compassion just to see if it yields a better result..if that truly is your intent. I have yet to see your current methods do anything but provoke anger from the posters... So unless you have been satisfied with any results of your comments...as a fellow human trying to help another..you may want to experiment with different tactics.

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#11 Consumer Comment

I'll bite

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

" Question: If an African- American comes into work at 8:00 a.m. and a Caucasian (White), just trying to educate you, comes into work at 10:00 a.m. and it's now 4:00 p.m. If management decides to let someone go home early who should go? A. the African-American or B. the Caucasian or C. None of the above. "

I'll bite.

Race does not matter in this case. Nor does their clock in time. Management can send whomever home they wish. It doesnt matter if one person has been there longer than the other. I would look more at the seniority of the people involved and not the time they clocked in.

Example: if the 8am employee had worked for the company for 1 month, but the 10am employee has been there 3 years, I would offer the 3year employee the opportunity to leave early first. Being as they have the most seniority, so they get first shot at leaving.

So in your example there are other factors to consider.

Also, no jobs do not have to be fair. In the case of RACE, SEX, RELIGION, COUNTRY OF ORIGIN they have to be fair. The can be unfair in other areas all they want.

I do not care if you want my opinion, you are getting it. You posted your idiotic flame on target in a public forum and you should expect responses from people. If you have such a high paying successful business, why do you care about your piddly part time target job so much?
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#12 Consumer Comment

Sorry if I'm blunt

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

but that's how I am. If people would post actual cases of where they were ripped off instead of just feeling like they were treated unfairly, then I wouldn't post as much. As is, most of the posts here are from people who never bother to read any contract they sign and then complain when they are forced to follow them. Like ALL of the bank complaints here. Most of the bank issues would stop if people would just take the time to learn how banking works.

As for being treated unfair, I'm treated unfairly all the time. I will complain to a company's complaint department and it usually ends there. If what these companies do is legal, and they are following their policies, and its still unfair? Then I don't let it bother me and move on with my life. No one said life was fair, and I don't expect to be treated fairly all the time.

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#13 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Did I ask for your opinions Ashley, Robert, Flynnrider? No

AUTHOR: Jackson - (USA)

First of I agree with the people who have responded to the "aka" Robert, Flynnrider, and Ashley.  I believe that these people only respond to certain companies.  All they give is THEIR OPINON which to me is less than .01 or less than a penny.  They probably work for some third party company and all they do is look at ripoff reports.  Which to me is a very boring job. All they give is opinion they are not lawyers because if they were they would pull up laws on the subject of discrimination.  As for them trying to help me HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LOL. Legal Aide would be a FAR BETTER CHOICE someone with a degree to represent or help someone.  I know about reporting to the EEOC. I have gone there just like the 1,000 of other people have done.  Just look at the reports about Target on Ripoff Report.  Clearly you have no grammar because you can't express yourselves in your rebuttals.  You're the one who needs to be "educated" not me.  I did this report for other people not myself. Question: If an African- American comes into work at 8:00 a.m. and a Caucasian (White), just trying to educate you, comes into work at 10:00 a.m. and it's now 4:00 p.m. If management decides to let someone go home early who should go? A. the African-American or B. the Caucasian or C. None of the above.  To Ashley: "Jobs don't have to be fair," if they didn't why did Target pay those African-American $775,000.00 and why did the Federal Government establish  the EEOC.  Which by the way I'm already filing a report with EEOC (which I stated earlier but seeing as though from past post that you don't know how to throughly read I stated this again, just for you).  To Robert: Are you calling me a liar, that I'm leaving out information to make myself look as you call "in a better light?" I don't need to be educated by you, as I have stated I have a two degrees and where is/are your degree(s), oh yea, it's your deodorant! LOL...  Bring facts with your rebuttals.  I brought mine! Post your proof, especially not your opinion. Oh yea, while your are "working this weekend" you might want to catch up on all those other Target ripoff complaints. There is alot of them, this has been your re-education...class dismissed!
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#14 Consumer Comment

Okay Robert and Ashley..lets see if I got this right..

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

Okay Robert..I get the first part of your reply..we are both here with intent to help people, albeit you have to admit you and some others here just to "help" are quite harsh on the posters...I guess if that is true, you consider it "tough love"..the way I handle it I guess you could call "genuine concern"..but it is what it is..the posters know the real truth as evident.

And yes Robert..I realize people often leave things out..I also know there are two sides to every story..but if there is not enough info to make an accurate reply..I generally mention that. You would admit there are some here that are far more presumptuous then I ever am..but I admit we all can and do from time to time misinterpret others responses. Not being face to face it can be difficult to determine emotional state, sarcasm..or if someone is speaking metaphorically or figuratively or how a comment is perceived..well it makes this form of communication a bit tricky at times.

You have to admit it is easy and expected for some to believe you or other defenders work for the company or have some vested interests..as if you do not..and are not an attorney in the field of topic..or not an authorized moderator..or a victim yourself...it does leave question as to the motive..especially if the reply has tone of insult or anger..why would anyone uninvolved or without personal interests or gain care so much? I wonder that often myself..yet I try not to make assumptions as much as possible..and am quite a reasonable person. But if anyone is getting paid let me know..times are tough.

lets leave the banks out of this for now..we have enough on our plates with that ..and note I am not coming to the defense of this poster. But I think if he feels he was discriminated against..he has a right to express that here. If the person or the company has a rebuttal..they are more then welcome to explain their side to this...no one here should speak for them or bash this poster unless they were there, and no one should really comment unless they feel they were a victim themselves..or are involved in any of the past, present or future lawsuits. With that said, I feel anyone has the right to rebut or comment here..so I don't criticize commenting by anyone..as long as it is done with respect and dignity..as well as integrity.

As far as someone complaining they were simply treated unfairly at their job..how does that hurt or help me by responding one way or the other?, or the poster?. I couldn't care less..that is between the worker and the employer..I am an outside entity and have no reason to stick my nose in. It doesn't matter what I think either way in this case..I have no authority to get involved, and nothing to gain or lose either way.

I was just curious why I see the same handful of defenders always responding to bank reports..and Target and Walmart mostly..but very rarely anywhere else. Once in a while I will notice Ashley or others coming in with a quick "jab and run" if she doesn't like or agree what someone complained about..but never to the degree of the banks, Target and Walmart posters. So without me jumping to conclusions or being presumptuous..there is evidence that could have someone who notices this consistently..ask questions or come to a reasonable assumption.

Now to Ashley..

So you have designated yourself some kind of "teacher" of right and wrong..but only for companies where you understand their policies..okay, I can see that..some kind of crusade to help people realize their mistakes...and you certainly don't mind rubbing their faces in it...I see you around here enough. I don't have anything personal against you..and I will never call you the names I have seen others call you..I am a little old fashioned in that respect..my momma raised me that I do not disrespect women or use foul language at them..so I would not ever do that to you..But you will get some sarcasm from me..I really don't like the way you speak to some people here who are already angry and upset..and suffered a loss one way or the other,...so you really do not emphasize with them at all...ever? I know it doesn't matter if I like it or not..it is not my place to judge you..but I have a right to defend anyone under attack or myself if you have the same right to come here unauthorized and offer your "help".

As far as your last question...no, they don't "have" to be fair..no one does..but sometimes it is the right thing to do..and if felt you were trated unfairly..well wouldn't you complain too..or just take it? You think unfair treatment is okay just because it is questionably legal? Oh I know I just asked that to the wrong person..lol Still no hard feelings.
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#15 Consumer Comment

Issues I know about

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

I have responded to best buy reports before. I dont respond to too many of them, since most of the reports on the site are about their geek squad service. I cant really discuss the geek squad, since I dont know their policies and procedures. I am not defending what these companies do, I am simply trying to point out to people where they need to read their contracts and understand WHY the company is doing what they are doing. I would say 50-60% of the reports on this site are from people who just dont understand the terms and conditions of whatever contract or agreement they have with companies works. 

As for sirius XM, I honestly dont know anything about that company. XM radio seems somewhat pointless to me. Why would you pay for something that is free already? I'm content with my normal radio. So no, I dont respond to XM posts. I don't know anything about XM radio.

Its also not my goal to bully people. In this case, this gentlemen is making some hefty claims about discrimination against Target. Fine. He does not offer any proof of said discrimination. He just offers a story littered with a very bad attitude. If he feels target has violated the EEOC then he should probably contact a lawyer immediately. 

Nothing in his story indicated the company was acting unlawful. Were they being fair? No.

DO they have to be fair? No.
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#16 Consumer Comment

Since you asked..

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Okay I'll bite..

Your goal posting and mine(and while I can't speak for them I imagine everyone elses goal) is to HELP the consumer.  So I post to ones that can provide suggestions, if not to fix their current situation at least explain why it happened and how to have it not happen again.   Whether you want to believe it or not it is not in defense of any particular company.  It often comes down to common sense and personal responsibility.

But there are cases where a person intentionally uses hot-button words(Discrimination, Theft, Rape..) but writes nothing to back it up, their report is so far out that it is impossible to have happened, or they are intentionally leaving things out that do not show them in a good light.  I would think that you would agree with this.

If someone writes a report and is truly confused or wondering what happened, I attempt to not drive them down.  But if they come off as being "above" someone else or that their situation is "special" they are going to get a bit of what could be considered a tougher tone.  People need to hear the truth and sometimes the truth hurts.  If they go to the "You work for the company" they are going to get a much more sarcastic response.

While a lot of the banking ones fall under the first type where it is really a lack of understanding.  A lot of the retail or other reports fall under the second type of reports.  In my opinion(and yes it is an opinion) the same goes for this post.  The poster uses the word "discrimination" and as I pointed out based on what she wrote it is going to be very hard to prove.  Although I also did suggest that if she truly feels that way she should sue them.  Had she left off the word "discrimination" would my response have been different..yes, would I have even responded..who knows.  Because it could be seen as "unfair" that she was not asked if she wanted to go home.  But that is a big leap to discrimination.  Would you write a RipOff report every time someone was not "fair" to you at work?

You didn't mention about this report.  I would wonder if after you have read what was written do you think she suffered from discrimination?  As I said to her you have to judge each situation on it's own merits.  So based on the merits of what she wrote do you think she was discriminated against.  Or do you think it was just a case of bad management or a bad employee.

I notice I never see any of you come to the defense of any complaints against Best Buy..

Actually I have written in Best Buy "complaints", but can't remember any SirusXM reports.  But I don't respond to just respond.  If their report appears logical, they have done everything they can to try and fix the situation and there is nothing I can add.  Then I have no reason to post. 

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#17 General Comment

To the paid Target rebuttalists...

AUTHOR: Edgeman - (U.S.A.)

Flynnrider, Ashely and Robert,

It's apparent that the three of you excel at your jobs of posting rebuttals for the companies that are willing to pay you. I mean, the banks pay you and Target pays you and I'm pretty sure that one of you secretly posts as Fajita Girl.

The reason that I am writing to the three of you is that I would like to be paid for my activities on this website. How can I break into this line of work? Is there a standardized test that I can take in order to receive a license? Would I be an independent contractor who files a 1099 form and cold-calls potential clients or do I have to go to work at a rebuttalist agency and be assigned cases? If you get paid from all of the various banks and retailers, how do you track all of the accounts?

Thank you for all of your help.

Oh, and be sure to Google how Obama once went shopping at a Target store and opened a box of cookies BEFORE he paid for it! Target uses banks and the federal government bailed out the banks. Coincidence? You decide.
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#18 Consumer Comment

On second thought

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

If you need me to come back and respond on saturday I will. I dont see where that is relevant.

Do I think its right to deny breaks and discriminate? No. I"m just saying that nothing in your post is ILLEGAL.

There's a BIG difference between what's legal and what's moral and right. What what the heck does Jesus have to do with any of this? Why is religion being brought in to this discussion?
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#19 Consumer Comment

Another small note

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

What I said is not hypocritical.

Blonde hair is not a race. I said nothing about your eye color. The law does not state "race, sex, religion, HAIR COLOR"

Firing you for your hair color would be legal. Granted, it would usually be for pink or green hair and not blonde.

No I do not work for target. I don't even shop there. If I cared more I would pick your post apart more, but I think robert and flynrider already did it well enough.

Get over your attitude and you'll keep a job.
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#20 Consumer Comment

Robert, Ashley and Flynrider...

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

Wow....I am almost speechless...just wow.

I am not going to judge any of you and presume who you work for..or what your motives are for rebutting posters all the time...

But I do notice the same handful of certain people here tend to rebut complaints against the banks...Target...Walmart and perhaps a few others.

I run a home based business..have owned a retail business which I sold years ago..and conduct business for a very large retailer..

I notice I never see any of you come to the defense of any complaints against Best Buy..or Sirius XM  and I see reports on those companies all the time. I usually respond because I have or had dealings with both companies..and I understand how they operate and their policies..so I constructively and respectfully give complainants advice on what to do..and help them to understand the policies or terms that may be causing their issue. I never belittle them or knock them or kick them when they are down..I don't like bullies hence I do not bully others...but I will defend myself and those if I see bullying.

That aside..why is it you have never come to the defense of BestBuy (the number one retailer of consumer electronics in the world) or Sirius XM..the biggest satellite radio company in the world?  Do you guys just randomly pick and choose who to defend and who not to?

Just curious..not assuming anything yet. Maybe you have defended BestBuy and/or Sirius XM in the past and I simply haven't noticed?
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AUTHOR: Flynrider - (U.S.A.)

I never realized I would run across someone so perceptive that they would see through my thin disguise. Yep, I am Target's dedicated Ripoff Report responder. They pay me to sit here Monday through Friday to submit rebuttals on this site.

 Now that you've thrown down the gauntlet, they are going to make me work this weekend to respond to this post, so my cover isn't blown. They're not making Ashley or Robert do that. I think I'm going to sue Target, as I am an ethnic minority and this is obviously discrimination.

 Seriously, if you think the behavior you described in the original post will endear you to any employer, you're much better off working for yourself.

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You got me...

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Well you caught me, I actually do work for Target and every other place I have been accused of working for.  But Target pays me the most by far.  Now there are agreements in place where I can't tell you exactly how much they pay but let me give you an idea.  They pay me enough to where I just bought my 3rd house, actually some people would probably call it a mansion.  I have 150 cars, where the cheapest car is worth only a mear 35K.   They even provide me access to a private jet so that I can attend secret meetings at their headquarters.

Oh wait..I guess your right I am getting "delusional"...Sorry about that.

The fact is I do not work for Target or any other company I have been accused of working for.  You do not know how many hours any of us work.  Not everyone works a traditional Monday-Friday 8-5 job.  Perhaps we actually work in businesses(or own them) that require us to work on weekends?  After all does the world shut down on Weekends?

You can continue to think they were discriminating against you, and I really don't expect that you will change your mind.  But this is a PUBLIC forum and the points that were brought up are legitimate.  If you truly do believe that you were being discriminated against then take the next step.  Get yourself a lawyer and file a suit against them.  However, if you think that the points that were brought out here were tough and not to your liking, just wait until you get into court.

But think about this in your suit.  It is going to be very hard to claim harassment or discrimination for a company calling you at 8am to see if you want to work.  It is going to be almost impossible for you to claim this when they asked you to start early when you were already there.  Also, what about "Reverse Discrimination".  Think about the girl they said could go home early.  What is she wanted to stay?  She could claim discrimination because they made the "White" girl go home while letting the "African American" girl stay to earn more hours.

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How Much Are They Paying You?????

AUTHOR: Jackson - (USA)

First of all how much is Target paying you aka"Ashley, Flynrider,and or Robert" to argue with people who file reports about Target?  I say this because you only come back with a rebuttal on Mondays thru Fridays.  You give these false names and attack everyone who files a report.  What I put is the truth and Target needs to cleanup their act.  You and the other fake names are clearly delusion and are being paid like I said by Target.  People know what is true no matter how many times aka "Ashley, Flynrider, and or Robert".  If you don't mind loosing your breaks and working over 16 hours and don't mind being discrimnated against then THATS YOU!  Which I think the discrimination wouldn't happen to you because you are not Africian American.  You sit up on Ripoff Report and try to attack peoples complaints/reports.  But guess what it doesn't do any good.  Target has soooo many reports on this website that you can google these reports up.  Clearly you are delusion when it comes to employment.  I stand by my report.  Yes I have another business and it is flourishing and I worked for Target because I CAN.  You should try it I mean aka "Ashley, Flynrider and or Robert.  Which all three names are the same.  Clearly you have the personality and attitude like Target.  Now lets see if you comeback with a rebuttal on lets say SATURDAY OR SUNDAY??? Yea lets see.
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Just because..

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

The case you posted was 2.5 years ago.  That does not mean that everything you think they are doing is discrimination.  You have to take each case on it's merits, and nothing you have shown here would be considered discrimination(except in your own mind).  That would be like someone being arrested for theft, and then 2 years later are arrested in a store for no other reason than they had a previous conviction.

I am glad your company is flourishing, but how can that be if the economic recession required you to get a second job?  This is actually a reason that a lot of employers do not like to hire people that currently have their own businesses.  So you may want to consider yourself lucky that they even hired you in the first place.  But your attitude has probably proved this theory correct, and I doubt they would be taking the same chance again.  It has nothing to do with discrimination, but the attitude which you seem to be suffering from of "I am too good for this job".

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AUTHOR: Jackson - (USA)

Final note...while you were "reading between the lines" and quoting my remarks you failed to realize that I stated that I am an EMPLOYER myself. You see Target was a SECOND job for me during this current economic recession. So while I did walk off the job I am STILL SELF-EMPLOYED, I don't have to "bow down" to anyone especially a racist and discriminatory corporation like Target. I have worked for other Fortune 500 Companies, my mother has two A.A.'s (who is by the way my partner in my company) and I have a B.S. in Marketing. The company I have is flourishing and will continue to do so with JESUS CHRIST, who teaches me to "treat others the way that I want to be treated"...maybe you have heard of it, it's called the GOLDEN RULE and I practice that in my life and company.

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Race isn't a "thing" to get over.

AUTHOR: Jackson - (USA)

The first problem with you is that you are "reading between the lines"...there is nothing to read between (please let me know if you were there when I walked off the job, and no it wasn't after getting into an argument with management)...or what do you think that you are psychic or something. You yourself just stated that companies have to follow Federal guidelines to not discriminate against people based on race, gender, ethnic group, religion, sexual orientation, disabilites etc...then hypocritical you turn around and say out of the other side of your mouth that an "employer can fire me if I have blonde hair and blue eyes"....if you understand what they Federal guidelines prohibit then you would know that employers can't fire people based upon their ethnic background.

 Race (which genetically doesn't exist, but was created by Willie Lynch to oppress African-Americans), (((Redacted))) You obviously aren't in the ethnic group category of African-American so you wouldn't and couldn't understand what it is like to EVERYDAY have to deal with racist people, much like yourself obviously, who say such ridiculous things like "get over the race thing" because no one discriminates against you when you go to the grocery store, gym, schools, at the bus stop, the auto dealership, hair salon etc. without even having known anything about you. Not to mention how the media portrays African-Americans as lazy, ignorant, or criminals who are just "crying wolf" about the institution of racism that is so prevalent in American society towards African-Americans. Here another issue of discrimination:

The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) announced Friday that the agency has filed suit against Target Corp., alleging that the nationwide retailer has discriminated against African-Americans by not hiring them for entry-level management jobs in a region that includes 11 stories in Milwaukee, Madison and Delafield.
The suit, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin in Milwaukee, claims that Target violated Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which forbids discrimination in recruitment and hiring based on race.
EEOC's complaint identifies African-American Milwaukee college graduates who were not given interviews at times when white applicants with similar resumes were being interviewed and hired.
According to the EEOC, Kalisha White, a recent Marquette University graduate, was repeatedly told by a recruiter that he was too busy to talk to her. She resubmitted her resume using the name of a friend who is not African-American and was immediately scheduled for an interview.
The suit also alleges that an African-American man was rejected for an entry-level management position although he scored higher in Target's application process than a white applicant who was offered the job.
Target employees routinely destroyed applications of African-Americans and of persons who attended minority job fairs at Marquette University and the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, the EEOC contends.
The suit seeks relief for a class of African-American applicants who were not hired between Jan. 1, 2000, and the present.
Dennis R. Mcbride, a senior trial attorney for EEOC who is handling the case, said the Milwaukee district office will attempt to locate African-American applicants who were not offered jobs with Target despite their qualifications. "Discrimination which prevents minorities from entry-level jobs leading to executive positions is the most basic type of violation of the right to the American dream," he said.
Target officials declined to comment Friday.
And here is the lawsuit against them:
EEOC Settles Suit for Class of African American Employees; Remedial Relief Included
PHILADELPHIA -- Target Corporation, the Minneapolis-based retail sales giant, has agreed to pay $775,000 to a group of black workers as part of a litigation settlement of a race discrimination and retaliation case brought by U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), the federal agency announced today. The settlement also includes employer training and other remedial relief.
The EEOC charged that Target violated Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act by creating and condoning a racially hostile work environment at its Springfield, Pa., store for a class of African American employees. The racial harassment included inappropriate comments and verbal berating based on race. Further, when one of the black employees objected to this treatment, he was allegedly retaliated against, leaving him no choice but to resign.
EEOC said in the suit that Michael Hill, a senior merchant at the Springfield store (an apprentice in training to become a store manager) and others were subjected to racial harassment by a white store manager, whom they reported for the unlawful conduct. Hill ultimately left the job due to the negative health effects of the discrimination and the lack of effective response to his internal complaints. EEOC charged that Hills resignation was forced upon him, amounting to a constructive discharge.
The consent decree settling the lawsuit provides Hill and a class of 13 African American employees with $775,000 and requires that all managers and supervisors at the Springfield store will receive training in the companys equal employment opportunity policies. The decree also requires Target to post a notice about the settlement; ensure that its complaint procedure is effectively communicated to the workforce; and take remedial action if an employee violates its equal employment opportunity policy.
According to its web site ( www.target.com ), Target operates approximately 1,500 stores in 47 states, including more than 175 SuperTarget stores that add an upscale grocery shopping experience.
"We are pleased that the parties could reach an amicable resolution of this matter, said EEOC Regional Attorney Jacqueline McNair. We expect the proposed training and emphasis on anti-discrimination policies to create a more employee-friendly work environment at Target's facility.
Title VII makes it illegal to deny a person any employment opportunity because of that persons race or color, sex, religion or national origin. A work environment free from illegal harassment and different treatment based on race are included in the range of such employment opportunities. In addition, Title VII recognizes that persons made to work in an intolerable environment may be constructively discharged, or compelled to resign their employment. Finally, it is illegal to retaliate against someone because he has made a complaint of illegal discrimination.
EEOC enforces federal laws prohibiting employment discrimination. Further information about the EEOC is available on its web site at www.eeoc.gov .

This page was last modified on January 26, 2007.
So by the way how much is Target paying you to debate with me about their discrimination practices that are embedded in the fabric of the company????
Have a wonderful and enlightened day!  

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You're the delusional one

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)


Let me address the matter of giving employees breaks, if a company (like Target) has a policy that states that you are suppose to recieve a fifteen minute break after having worked four hours then they are REQUIRED by federal law to uphold that policy because they have it printed in their handbook and posted  elsewhere in the "employee only" area of the store.

As far as having to work 16+ hours that is my option, the point is that no one should be called at such an hour to come into work, if Target knew previously that that employee who called in sick wasn't going to be coming in that day then that is their problem not mine. I have my own small business and would never treat me employees in such a manner. ""

i did say that there is no law UNLESS your employer has a policy covering breaks. if someone calls in to work at say, 6am, then when is target supposed to start calling people to cover the shift? You are out of your mind if you think employers shouldn't call you at 8am to see if you could cover a shift.

Its obvious that you have a major attitude problem and taht's why you no longer have this job. I guarantee your "walking out" was because you got in a big arguement with your supervisor because you obviously know better than him.

If you are going to quote lawsuits, then post evidence. I want to read these lawsuits on discrimination.

and NO JOB has to be fair. Yes they have to follow federal guidelines on not discriminating on race, sex, religion, country of origin, and disabilities. Beyond that they can do what they want.

if you are gay and your employer doesn't like it? They can fire you. if you have blonde hair and that angers them? They can fire you. if you wear blue shirts to work? Yep they can fire you. As long as you are following the above guidelines you can be terminated for any reason or for no reason. I think you need to get over this race issue you obviously have, and start trying to be a reasonable employee. Then you might actually find and keep a decent paying job. If you keep that attitude, good luck.

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Slave Drivers

AUTHOR: Jackson - (USA)

Let me address the matter of giving employees breaks, if a company (like Target) has a policy that states that you are suppose to recieve a fifteen minute break after having worked four hours then they are REQUIRED by federal law to uphold that policy because they have it printed in their handbook and posted  elsewhere in the "employee only" area of the store.

As far as having to work 16+ hours that is my option, the point is that no one should be called at such an hour to come into work, if Target knew previously that that employee who called in sick wasn't going to be coming in that day then that is their problem not mine. I have my own small business and would never treat me employees in such a manner.

Employeers, such as Target aren't fair  in their practices that is why the Federal Goverment put such laws and mandates into effect...to say that a job doesn't have to be fair lets me know that you are a racist and discriminatory in your dealings with whomever you supervise on your job.  Affirmative Action was mandated by the Federal Government because jobs weren't fair, the Disabilities Act was mandated by the Federal Government because jobs weren't fair...so forth and so on.

If you read in post with understanding, which you didn't obviously, you would see that no where in it did I state that  I had been fired; nor gave any inclination. I walked off the job because my self-respect means more to me that any "minimum wage" job or any job for that matter.

If you think that I am going to let anyone in a company management or the CEO of Target talk to me in a barading, derogatory, insulting, belittling manner then I feel sorry for you because NO ONE should be talked to in such a way. And that is why Target Corporation just settled a lawsuit that it had filed against them by fourteen African-Americans because management talked to them in the manner that I just described and had to pay $ 775,000 (which by the way isn't enough).

As far as letting the GSA or GSTL know that I am going on break that wasn't the issue (which you clearly misconstrude), the issue was that there was no consistency in how the notification of breaks were to be handled...one GSA/GSTL would say just turn your light off and go...then another would say let your GSA/GSTL know when your going on break...so any person in their right mind would say to themselves, where is the consistency in their policy.

 Continue to live your life in any obviously dillusional state, you have no idea what your talking about and clearly you "brown-nosed" your way to whatever position you have be "I's be free", I am no bodies slave. And Target is a slave driver.






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AUTHOR: Flynrider - (U.S.A.)

   By reading between the lines of your post, I can see why they didn't keep you beyond the probationary period.   Although you may think that your post shows you in a favorable light, it doesn't.   It shows me a person that nitpicked and complained about everything during the probationary period.   Realistically, do you think any manager is going to want to deal with that on a long term basis?   You are what they call "high maintenance" in the labor pool.   Managers are more inclined to favor employees that do not require their attention on a constant basis.

  I found this somewhat comical and enlightening :

"She did come back and let me have another 15 min break.  I said she should know about this already since she said she has been with this company for  2 years."

  Are you serious?  Do you really think that scolding a superior about company policy is going to get you job security?   Honestly, you really have to learn the difference between being right and being smart. 

  I'm not even going to address the discrimination aspect, as your example is completely ridiculous.  It trivializes the plight of those who suffer from actual discrimination in the workplace.

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AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

You don't say why you were fired anywhere in this post, could you elaborate on that?

Also, from managing stores in missouri, there is no state law on breaks. You are not required to be given a break in the state of missouri. So they can skip your 15 minute breaks all they want. If there is an internal company policy, that is different, but its still not mandated by the law.

From the sounds of things, you argued with your supervisors over everything. If they tell you that you need to contact a GSA before taking a break you should have just said "Okay sir, no problem" not tried to argue about it. If you argued with me this much when I was running a store, I would have fired you too just for being disruptive. 

As for them calling you at 8am to cover a shift, big deal. Every job does that. You've never had to work a 16+ hour shift to cover for people before?

As for letting people go home early, that would be supervisor's peroggative. There's no rule saying the person who got there first gets to go home first. No one said a job has to be fair. 

Nothing in this post sounds disciminatory towards you. You are trying to make it in to a race issue. There's nothing TO investigate, Missouri is a work at will state. They can fire you for wearing green shoes to work if they want.
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