UWinmotors.com, Jackie Turko, Tom ripoff, This is the same rip-offs from one stop motors Las Vegas Nevada

Unlike most of you posting i didnt get scamed by mr doucette, i walked in and got a job. However all in all he still took around $2300 from me with noreasoning. I was lucky hat none ofmy checksbounced mostl;y becuase i took them straight to his bank and cashed them before any of my fellow workers could.

Chuck is currently running a company called the Immgration center. People call in thinkin they are gettinghelp with there immigration problems, but much laer find out they are just getting the money taken out of the account with no help.

i feel horrible now about it beacuse i was one of the main sales people actually i was the man. most likely if you ever called htat place you talked to me i averaged 2nd mosst sales a week for 9 weeks each sales i would say around 300dolaars. My friend worked "customer" service and dealt wth all the call backs from "clients" saying they got no help from us. Chuck or Charles dependnig on wha mood ( ie tpe of pot he was smoking) would say we helped them or we gave them there money back.

Its funny reading all of these reports becuasehe still only takes check info, well i for one and pissed about losing my money i have personal ifo from chuck and his new thing debbie or bety witch eversge wants to be calledif you want any info on the i have ere hme address there cell phne numbers new office location and this copany is under chucks name, he does ti with help from liberty legal service .

As you read about him you will find out he moves alot He no longer lives on Cooper Street nor has an office on Colorado Ave. So just a question for the poster in May of 2007 where was his office then and did he still live on Cooper?

After working for Chuck's newest scam company, American Legal Services, for only 3 weeks, I quickly realized that the services being sold were BOGUS. However, at the time I didn't think much of it because I needed a job. I moved to Colorado Springs, CO in February, and on my first day there I saw an ad for a computer technician with Chuck's company.

I thought I had a stroke of good luck finding a computer job that quickly, although it didn't pay much, I was new to the area, unemployed, and since this was a new business, I felt that there was a possibility of growth.

When I interviewed for the job with another prospective employee, I was a little concerned when we were both hired "under the table". However myself and the other employee were out of money and the job was pretty simple, just keep the computers and phones going. Since the company was brand new, Chuck told us that in a few weeks, when things got rolling, we would be on the payroll.

At first I didn't know anything about what the telemarketers were selling because I was busy working on the website and the computers. (The same computers described in the auction above)

The other technician and I soon realized that they were selling legal services to people all over the country...yet they had not one lawyer to handle the cases! The telemarketers were coming and going everyday, most of them couldn't sell anything. Calls started coming in from the people who signed up for the service weeks ago but never received help from an attorney.

At this point I had to make a decision to settle in Colorado or go back home to California. I would have loved to stay in Colorado. However during multiple discussions with the other tech we both decided we would leave the company before it got shut down or we didn't get paid or who knows what else. I honorably gave plenty of notice of my intentions to leave and we agreed I would stay one more week. I was running out of money and needed to spend the little I had left on either rent, or the gas to get back home. So during the next week I almost ran out of money, but I knew I would be getting a check at the end of that week that would get me back home.

So on my last day they paid me by check, and thanked me for the work I had put in. When I was ready to leave the state the next morning I went to go cash the check only to realize the check had been post-dated until the following Monday. Luckily the other employee let me stay with him for the weekend or I would've been on the snowy streets. So that Monday came and I tried once again to cash this check. This time the bank told me that since it was a holiday, the funds would not be available til Tuesday. I was able to borrow a couple hundred from a family member to make the trip home.

When I got home I deposited the check into my checking account and a couple weeks later, my bank took the full amount of the check back out of the account, after it was already spent, leaving my account deep in the red. Yes, a bounced check.

I tried to redeposit the check a couple of times and it was returned each time. This fiasco ended up costing me about $500.

This couldn't have come at a worse time, considering I am unemployed, with school loans to pay for and all the other associated costs of living. The $320 check I had planned to ride out for a month while staying with my mom and looking for work. Now my single poor mom was forced to foot the bill on that one.

Anyhow, I wish I would have read this report prior to taking this "job". I found this web site because I was looking for any way to report his schemes to the state or anyway to get revenge, but without luck. So I just googled his name, and sure enough, there he is right at the top on a ripoff reporting web site.

I wish I didn't have a conscience sometimes. I actually felt bad for this guy after I got ripped off. He has I think 5 kids to support, and I met a few of them and they all seemed like nice kids. Most men would do anything to take care of their kids, but screwing me out of my money isn't cool. The reason I felt bad is because I know that new businesses can be a challenge to get going. But after reading all this, I am convinced he has been doing this his whole life, and will continue operating bogus businesses until he gets put away and his kids all become bastards.

Chuck, just be glad you changed your passwords to your crappy little web site before I got mad enough. I would've hacked the website to an unrepairable state. Thanks for screwing me over, when I worked hard to get your office setup and your ghetto network rolling. All this I did for 8 bucks an hour. Yes 8 bucks. You feed off of desperate people just to get yourself out of the messes you created by being scandalous.

I don't know anything about the car scandal but I can almost guarantee that the accusations against him in this report are true, because it sounds very similar to the business he operates now.

So Chuck, I will continue on my quest to let as many people know what a scam you are until you contact my bank to arrange payment of $400 to me.
Remember, I am unemployed still, and have more than enough time to post your BS all over the internet.

Contact this bank to arrange a payment, they already have all your information on file.

PFF Bank & Trust
12801 Central Ave.
Chino, CA 91710

Phone: (888) 342-5733


Oh and don't forget, I still have your address...

What happens to people like me who were ripped off $399 about a year ago. It seems like the only way to get our money back would be a major lawsuit. What is supposed to happen to us??

Well I guess I will not see my 500.00 for training then Chucks newest business is now wildcardmotors in Colorado Springs. How do I go about getting paid for this time?

Chuck, I do know you... I once considered you a friend, looked out for you, your business and your children. I worked well over 60 70 hours a week for you, took flak for you and your reps. We all did EVERYTHING we could, and yes I did QUIT.. I quit taking crap from you and Greg, I quit recieving bad paychecks, I quit taking verbal abuse and threats. I quit seeing my friends and co workers dealing with bad paychecks and crappy conditions. I quit alot of things that day. And you know what to this day I am still taking care of s**t becasue of 3 paychecks bouncing back to back. I do know you Chuck, I know that somewhere you have a small iota of integrity, but mostly you are motivated by greed... and that motivation is and will come back to haunt you. I have never had friends treat me that way that you have. I am sorry I stayed as long as I did.

I have information regarding MotorZooUSA or Zero Down Motors, whatever they would like to call themselves today. Yes Mr. Doucette will try to tell you about a business license that is not in his name. Well Mr. Doucette, who's name is it in? The landlord's name who is renting out the office space you use to run this so-called legitimate business at 899 N. Freedom Blvd in Provo, Utah? How much did you have to pay him to put his name on a business license?

I would like to also know that in the state of Utah, since that is where your sales office is located in, has any laws against letting someone have their children who are ages 15 and under work in the office answering telephones and calling prospective clients to sell services to them. I'm sorry but my children go outside and play during summer vacation.

Their sales representative will tell you that they get rid of anywhere from 80 to 90% of their inventory within the first 30 to 90 days. I know of only 3 that have sold in the last 6 months and am doing research to find out exactly how many have been sold. I have client information, for which I will be contacting, each and every one of them so I can re-post a more updated total.

To all past clients, Mr. Doucette is calling and telling them he is trying to offer them an up-grade from their current services and offer them a 10 day managed E-Bay auction. Now, he is trying to charge these clients anywhere from $200 to $300 for these services. You can go to E-Bay and post your own vehicle for an auction for approximately $70.

If you have used these services and need information on getting your money back, I will try to give a little bit of that here. If you used your checking information, you need to call your bank and either put a stop payment on the check, if it hasn't cleared yet, or request a chargeback on the account if it has cleared. The reason you are asking for your money back is for fraudelent services. Zero Down Motors (same as MotorZooUSA) will not help you sell the vehicle. You would have a better chance of selling your vehicle is you used a piece of paper and wrote "FOR SALE" on it and put in the window of your vehicle. But beware, it is NOT against the law for them to re-draw another check for $1 less than the original price and a different check number to try and get their money back. So when you call your bank, make sure they put a flag on your account for the companies MotorZooUSA and Zero Down Motors, since this will be one of the two companies they will use to get their money. And it is not hard at all to make up another company name just so they can get their money.

If you used a Credit Card, you need to call the company and request a chargeback, just give them the information they request. You will most likely need the date , the amount, and the company you authorized to charge the card. Now remember, this company has all this information for you. PROTECT yourself so they can't charge you anymore which I am sure they will try. They have done it to some clients before.

I was the customer service representative that handled the phone calls for problems, I did the ad and uploaded the photos for all clients. So yes, I did play some part in this whole scenario, but I am willing to help anyone rectify the situation. I am NOT a criminal nor do I wish to be associated with any. If Mr. Doucette and the other people who live in his home did not have such a large habit of pot to fill then maybe they could pay their employees what they're worth and not what they can come up with that week.

There is alot of other information I could give you reagrding Mr. Doucette which would be personal, however, this forum is for business only. So take this with a grain of salt or don't but I will make sure that every client who was swindled by Mr. Doucette, Paul Delgado, and the sales representatives, who are all related to Mr. Doucette, get some sort of justice.

You can go to Craigslist.com and list your vehicle for *FREE* and probably get a better response. I have talked to several clients who have stated they get a better responce from the ad they have or had running with Autotrader.com than with MotorZooUSA or Zero Down Motors. You should check them out. Oh, and if they do try and say they have sold vehicles using these services, ask for solid, verifiable proof. They might be able to give 3 instances but if anymore than that, I doubt it.

THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING!!!!!

Speaking on behalf of OSM, we are in no way related to any of the other companies named in this report or in any rebuttals. I ask that ANYONE with any questions about OSM specificially direct them to me. I will be happy to answer them personally.

Tim Giffey
General Manager
877-566-6686

Well well well, Lori, you have an aweful lot to say about Motorzoousa and zerodownmotors. Im sure if everyone went to the site youre working for, they would find the same service available as the ones youre accusing of ripping people off. IF THESE SITES ARE SUCH RIPOFFS. WHY ARE YOU WORKING FOR A GUY WHOS NAME IS ALL OVER BOUNCED CHECKS, which i can promise, will be copied and posted on this site with GREG ROBERTSONS signiture alll over them.

You're just trying to give your sorry company an excuse for stealing the money from motorzoousa to start uwinmotors behind chucks back. Now thats a messy move if ive ever seen one. You might have thought it clever at the time, but as u can see in these reports, your name is just as bad as everyone elses. And once everyone sees that greg is responsible for at least $10,000 in bounced checks, not to mention the rent he never payed for the office when he took off with the money, The threatening emails he has sent to chuck and his kids with promises to be followed and have chucks kids taken away. My god how desperate are u people. Threatening chuck if he doesnt take his ripoff report off the shelf (i seen the emails myself)

To be honest, I did nothing but laugh at the fact that u people are so desperate to accuse someone else when youre selling the same product. Oh..what about the money you owed to Norman G. for his half of the business ($25,000) Hmmm... he had serious health issues and you took advantage of that didnt you.

Well, soon enough, and very soon I may add, people worldwide, reading this ripoff report, will see proof in detail, on who the real scam artist is, and i can tell you, the proof will show, it wasnt charles doucette. I look forward to your response, if u can give a valid one.

Skylet Provo, Utah

You are a thief and a lier and no one was appologizing to; you, Jackie Turco, Tom Rothrock or Greg Robertson. You get no explaination from me. I do not own motorzoousa.com anymore nor do I or have I ever owned zero down motors, one stop motors, national auto shopper or uwinmotors.

Business and website ownership is PUBLIC RECORD I welcome anyone to do there own check. Lori your phone # is listed as the contact information on several vehicles on uwinmotors.com since you don't own these vehicles what is your motivation? Are you selling them for someone? Are you a licensed Auto Broker in NV? Are you advertising them? If so there is no advertising license on file anywhere for you or uwin motors? What is the physical address? I would like to know so that I can serve your boss some legal documents. You say publicly that I ripped you off for money so you should have a bad check or a contract is that right? Well if you do I challlenge you to produce them. Put them on your website uwinmotors and post a link to them.

You can't because I do not owe you one red cent. You are the one that took money from motor zoousa WHILE YOU WERE SELLING FOR UWIN !! That is stealing. You are a theif and a lier. I have over $10,000 dollars worth of bounced checks from your employer Greg Robertson. Do you remember what he said the reason that he couldn't pay us? He said that the merchant account was closed for chargebacks remember? Well how is he processing his credit cards with uwinmotors? How are you taking credit cards? Lori YOU GOT YOUR $$$ from Greg and we got the shaft you still work for him and seem to represent him in this forum.

Again this post was not an appologie to YOU it was for the people I let Greg walk on. Andrew, Marybeth, Paul, Jeff, Shyloe and many more honest and reliable people that gave there heart and soul to Motor Zoo USA.

No Lori you are the shark not the victim this post was for the people that were INOCENT .
Thank You,
Charles Doucette

P.S. I appreciate your concern over my current lack of employment but I am weighing several offers at this time. I unlike you have no aversion to work.

With absolutely no sarcasm, the comments by Charles Doucette are quite touching. My first instinct, although personally 'defrauded' out of $1700.00 by this company - is to be inclined towards forgiveness. My concern is the sincerity of the apology. If you are sorry for defrauding the masses and are 'out of business' - then why is it that your company is still selling the ads to the public? Below I will post a link to access ALL of the items sold from last week - which was a slow week compared to the week before. 12 websites @ $549- each & 7 auctions ($300-$400) each - for a total of gross income for the week of $5943- (a lowwwww estimate.)I would feel a lot more forgiving if this weren't true.

Your claim is that you are unemployed, if this is the case; I am sincerely sorry - though hopefully your next opportunity will be a more 'honest one'. If this be the case - who is at the helm now??? Someones taking a lot of money from a company that's 'going under'. And why - at the same time you placed this notice - did you place another within the same site at the link ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff189733.htm a different posting, that wasn't an apology; but was instead "mudslinging" another competing company? Why would an "unemployed person" who is completely removed from the industry waste valuable 'job hunting' time casting unwarranted aspersions on another company?

And,if this heartfelt plea was so sincere - why aren't we given the information to know who the individual/s are who accepted the money for the sites being sold through MotorZooUSA - or the EBay auctions being sold through ZeroDownMotors / both of which you own. Are you prepared to give information pertaining to the new owners - and who is currently profitting while your children suffer???

I believe that if you aren't willing to provide this information - we should all assume that this was a feeble attempt to cover your tush during a "potentially damning" fraud investigation. If, on the other hand - you have truley reformed and are no longer fleecing the public - and are willing to take a simple measure to prove it - I would be honored to apologize for not believing you - and congratulate you for going in a new HONEST DIRECTION! (You will be going in an honest direction - right?)

Lori C.

My name is Charles Doucette and I now live in Springville Ut. I am responding to this to clear the air and to take full responcibilty for the people that have been hurt through my business Motor Zoo USA.

1st I am a single father that moved to Las Vegas to get a job that could support my family. I lived in a Budget Suites and I worked for Rob Wilder the owner of One Stop Moters as a Telemarketer. His office at the time was located at 953 E. Sahara Ave Suite 238 & 234. This was from 11/04 untill 3/05. OSM moved to a new location and implemented a new pay scale for the Telemarketers so I teamed up with Mr. Norman Greenbaum to start our own business. We obtained a favorable lease AT THE SAME LOCATION OSM JUST LEFT. We had no web site so I contacted John Lawton and He gave me permission to use his web site as part of our ad package (I still have those E-mails Mr. Lawton) We were given the "exclusive US rights tell represent Motorzoo.com" thus we incorporated the name Motor Zoo USA.

Mr. Lawton Motor Zoo and Motor Zoo USA enjoyed a very profitable partnership Motor Zoo was getting good Quality traffic to its site that was delivered through OUR TELEMARKETING ADVERTISING. Mr Lawton, as is his right, benefited from this traffic by selling sales leads to car dealerships but while upgrading the Motor Zoo web-site Our clients Ads were unable to be veiwed and there was numerous complaints some of the complaints went to Mr. Lawton Directly and From that point forward our business relationship ended. We started our own website Motorzoousa.com.

Shortly after Motorzoousa was launched my partner and freind Norman Greenbaum became very ill and allmost died. He was in the Hospital for 4 monthes and when he was released he was forced to retire and resign from Motor Zoo USA because he never fully regained his health. I had no money and Motor Zoo USA was barely breaking even. We could only bill through checking and we were not able to take credit cards. That is when I was introduced to Greg Robertson who was a client of Motor Zoo USA that started his own Advertising business called Universal Advertising Network UAN which was a competitor of Motor Zoo USA. Mr. Robertson met me at my home and offered to buy Motor Zoo USA and he said he had unlimited financing. He had recently purchased West Coast Motoring in Las vegas and I agreed to sell him 1/2 of Motor Zoo USA for $25,0000 which was supposed to go to Mr. Greenbaum for his share of Motor Zoo USA (It was never paid). Mr. Robertson gave me a verbal agreement and that was all it took for me to start processing ALL of our new orders through his UAN merchant account. Our concern was that we have had alot of problems with our Las Vegas telemarketers Lying to our clients so our plan was to open our sales department in Utah where there was less competition for good telemarketers. I personally moved from our 2 bedroom apartment in Las Vegas to Springville Ut where we opened a sales office Located at 1190 N. Spring Creek Pl. I was in that office building a sales team of 25. While I was here in UT Mr. Robertson was taking care of the fullfillment department in Las Vegas along with a small sales team. Mr. Robertson started closing the purse strings immediatly and started firing those employees that he thought were unproductive. These people were MY Freinds and I DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. I let him hurt people that helped feed my family and I did not doanything about it. I have no excuse for that.

On December 3rd I purchased Many used computers from the TNT auction in Las Vegas with the intent of selling them on Ebay at that time I had a good reputation with my bank, ebay and paypal. This had nothing to do with Motor Zoo USA it was a private deal between Greg and I. Motor Zoo USA does not sell computers and never did. We had a PC Tech named Jeff L. whoes responcibility was to inventory test and ship the PC's under Greg's supervision to make a long story short it was a fiasco several ebayers were upset with the PC's and the packaging. I was in Ut and Jeff was the scapegoat that took the blame and was fired. JEFF I AM SORRY. That left the fullfillment of the computers to Andrew my freind and very much overworked and underpaid tech as well as Greg Robertson who had the compters at his West Coast Motoring Store most of the computers were stolen from out from under Gregs nose and I came back to Vegas to try to get this under control. I handled it wrong with Andrew and he quit. ANDREW I AM SORRY.

While most of the computers were stolen I do have some of the PC's here and anyone with a claim is welcome to e-mail me chucknvegas62@yahoo.com and I will attempt to make it right.

On March 31st Mr. Greg Robertson closed his Merchant Acct. and started his own business uwinmotors.com with Jackie Turco and Tom Rothrock he also bounced our March 31st payroll checks our March and April rents, He reposessed My car and he attempted to take possetion of all the business assets both here in UT as well as our Las Vegas office.

I brought Mr. Robertson into Motor Zoo USA and though I have always had good intentions I erred in judgement and for that I am Fully Resonsible for many people getting hurt. For that I am sorry.
I recognise many of the posters here and all I can say is you know me and there were many times when you needed my help and I was there for you. When I controlled the money I was more than generous with my contractors and I have never lived large off of other peoples suffering I live very modestly and allways have. I rent my apartment, I dont even own a car. I no longer own Motorzoousa.com and Motor Zoo USA is in the process of closing for good. I have no ownership nor do I work for; One Stop Motors, Zero Down Motors, Itrust Motors, National Auto Shopper Uwin Motors or anyone else I am currently Unemployed
Again If you feel that you were ripped off by me I am truelly sorry
Thank You,

P.S. Poster Q was my accountant and she can verify much of what I wrote. Jeff is another poster though he is pissed at me he will also verify the facts. Andrew I never personally did anything to you accept not stand up for you when I should have but you know I had no intention of ripping anyone off. You above anyone else know me better than that.

Uwinmotors.com is another auto advertising scam site. This site has all of the traits of all the rest: onestopmotors.com, motorzoousa.com, nationalautoshopper.com, etc. etc. etc.

How many times are you people going to recycle the same scam idea? I know, as long as people keep falling for it.

NOBODY WILL EVER SEE YOUR VEHICLE ON THESE SITES. IT IS WORTHLESS!!!

These sites are tucked away in the corner of the internet with lousy traffic rankings. Your vehicle will be posted on their site, never to be seen again.

Stick with the big dawgs. You know who they are. a***t****r.com, c**s.com, etc. You will get the best results from them. I have sold all of my cars through them over the years. I am not affiliated at all with any auto advertising site. I am just giving my experience with them.

You know where these clowns get your number? From the big dawgs, that's where. They comb through the online and print ads and call unsuspecting victims and sell them this bogus advertising.

All in all, stay away from _ANYONE_ who calls you up and offers you advertising. It is junk.

They are still ripping of folks. wow.

Greg is the most ignorent person around, if there wasn't any money in the accounts becasue of his friviolous spending he would fire someone and tell them they aren't getting paid. he started doing this after he went and physically beat up an ex employee. Great tactics, but coming from a neanderthal.

As for Chuck, this man is a waste of flesh. So many people worked very hard and went out of their way for him. He used employees to watch his children and to run him around. And if things got tough financially he would fire someone as well, or find a way to take a comission from someone.

They willingly let their telemarketers misrepresent the product and left the customer service to mop it up and take the heat. Not to mention the horrible working conditions, and lack of any tax information for employees. Greg passed myself at least 3 bouncing paychecks, among ripping off tons of people on another endeavor which a report will be filed personally aginst both chuck and greg.

They both would take money from the business to spend on their personal things. Chuck is the genius behind the scam and greg just came in on it because he had money and chuck needed money. Both are greedy and will do whatever , be it lie, steal, scam and slam. Like I have said before, the way they build the sites a retarded monkey can do it, type a few bits of information into a form, press done and then upload images, about 10 min woth of work and then they leave it sit, no active marketing, nothing. You pay 500 bux to listen to some moron on the phone lie to you.

My name is Lori. I was initially employed by Greg Robertson - a Silent Investor - in a company called MotorZooUSA. He joined this company for the same reason I did, a great concept that could really benefit people. I stepped into the company and quickly realized they had; for nearly a year been taking huge amounts of money from people for advertising - not fulfilling their commitments - and robbing people that needed help blind! With my background in upper mgmt in auto dealerships,I was able to personally help some people out - but with over 1100 clients - it was a losing battle. I, with the other parties named have all left Motor Zoo USA & began the company that has been lied about on this report - UWinMotors.

Here is the evidence of slander by a corprate enemy - point by point.
1st - I became aware of this complaint when I recieved this link via IM from C. Doucette-the owner of MotorZooUSA (in Provo, Utah)A copy of the IM history available below.
2nd - Myself & the others named below - left this company because they are theifs - and we have all suffered greatly both financially, as well as our reputations for having ever associated with them to begin with.
3rd - There are legal actions against the company MotorZooUSA. They immediately scurried like vermon to get new licenses under the name ZeroDownMotors - BEWARE. Licensing for both co's are under the name C. Doucette!

As for UWinMotors.com:
ALL billing is completed through a merchant acct. named U Win Motors. Clients have their choice of 100% FREE advertising or a $250- Pkg. offering exceptional benefits; obviously the jerk that made up the above lie DIDN'T do his homework. Also-UAN (previously put in place at the EXPENSE of G Robertson) was Mr Robertsons PERSONAL Assets put at the disposal of C. DOUCETTE to be invested in Motor Zoo USA, who drained the account without even paying personnel.

I am a firm believer in all consumer defense methods - but it does seem that a company like ours with so much benefit to offer the public - should be protected by malicious evildoers that can make up lies and post them before the public as truth.
Lori Cissell
U Win Motors
eliterefs@cox.net

the e link is provided for information regarding
1) correspondance from clients, attorneys & even Attorney Generals regarding fraud MotorZooUSA & C.Doucette (now also ZeroDownMotors)
2) the IM history showing C.Doucette placed the FRAUDULENT claim made against UWinMotors!
3)Numerous letters of reference stating gratitude to myself & the other parties listed regarding UWinMotors unique services available and a VERY satisfied clientelle.

It should also be recognized that the corporate assets of MotorZooUSA are currently frozen during the "fraud investigation" & those that were "ripped off" by this company may get satisfaction if they consult w/ their credit card company!