• Report: #795013
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CR England

  • Submitted: Fri, November 04, 2011
  • Updated: Thu, January 19, 2012

  • Reported By: Victor — Shoreline Washington United States of America
CR England
4701 West 2100 South Salt Lake City, Utah United States of America

CR England CR England pretends to be a school, but they really exist to take advantage of people...financially, emotionally, and even sexually. Salt Lake City, Utah

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Schooling

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Well written report! My advice? Listen to it.

*Consumer Comment: doing jobs Americans wont do

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       Originally, I got my CDL in 2003 from another school, so I have something to compare CR England to. In 2009, I received a letter in the mail from the WA Dept of Licensing telling me that my CDL license was being suspended because the licensing office where I got my license in 2003 got caught selling licenses illegally. Even though I got my license legitimately, it was suspended and I was forced to retest. I put it off for 2 years and then showed up at CR England in the last two weeks of September 2011.

       When I first got to the school, I thought it was a great school, because they offered CDL schooling at such a low price and you get a license in 2 weeks, instead of the usual 3-4 weeks at other schools. But, here's the bad part. Each class is between 50 and 100 people or more(compared to the class of 10 people at my other school). The class in the week before me had near 150 people. They didn't have enough staff to handle that amount of people, so my class finished testing before half of that other class did. You would think they would go for quality education, but I'm here to prove that CR England is not a legitimate school. They just want your money. They charge you $50 upfront for some administrative fee and then you have to pay $95 for the CDL testing fee. . [continued below]....

Once they have your money, you suddenly become unimportant to them and could be kicked out at any time without mercy. During the first week, half of my class disappeared, but not til after they had paid the $50 fee the first day. Most of my class was complaining that they still had no idea how to back up properly, because they only got a couple chances during the day they were instructed on a particular skill because of all the waiting they did for other students to practice their backing. Most students in my class learned more by getting in a truck on their own at night than during the day, because they had more chances to get into a truck and back up. Half of the trucks out there were being used by the students in the prior week's class.

       Since I had gone through schooling before, I passed my CDL permit tests with scores above 90% and passed all my coursework with high scores as well. I was one of the few who picked up the backing and driving portions of training right away. I spent a lot of time helping others perfect their backing, because the instructors there mostly hang out and talk, and they rarely watch you while you're practicing your backing skills. When it was time to test, I noticed the instructors(who are supposed to be state qualified to administer that test for your license) turning around away from the trucks backing up and laughing about whatever they were talking about.

Most students who went to certain instructors passed no matter what. But, students who were tested by a particular instructor mostly failed because that instructor graded differently than what we were told in class. That was another problem. We would be told one thing in class and then scolded or marked off by our backing and driving instructors for not doing things the way they wanted us to do it. A couple of the instructors were telling people they were planning on quitting shortly after that. It seemed like no one who worked there was happy working there. The only people who are happy working there are the OTR trainers, because they get paid for the miles students drive with them and you get chump change. So, while they're making 100k or more because of all the miles they're accumulating by training students, you make very little for that first month out on the road.

       But, I really wouldn't know about what happens on the road with CR England, because they kicked me out right before my driving test. Here's what happened...........

Lead Instructor: .....So, is there anyone here who's planning on going back home after testing today?

Me: (raised my hand)

Lead Instructor: Ok, I need to speak with you after I get done talking up here. 

Me: Ok.

Lead Instructor finishes and walks to back of theater. I get out of my seat and walk to the back to talk with him. We both walk outside.

Lead Instructor: So, how come you're not going to be sticking around with us?

Me: Well, I used to have a CDL license 2 years ago but I got a letter in the mail saying that my license was being suspended because the office where I got my license got caught selling licenses illegally. So, I was planning on getting my license back and then going back to Seattle to drive local again.  

Lead Instructor: Well, we're gonna send you home then.

Me: (shocked, while he turns away and starts talking to someone else in the hall)

Lead Instructor: ....So, we're gonna get you a bus ticket and send you home. 

Me: What's going on? Why are you sending me home?

Lead Instructor: Well, since you're not going to work for us, then we're going to send you home. 

Me: What? I've never once heard anyone say in class, in paperwork, or on your website that I had to work for you to get a license.

Lead Instructor: Well, we're not here to sell you a license.

Me: I'm not buying a license. I went through the classes and tested just like everyone else.  

Lead Instructor: Yeah, well, we're not here to get you a license. We're here for you to work for us. 

Me: You can't do this. I've paid for school and I haven't done anything wrong. 

Lead Instructor: Well, that's just the way it is. We'll cancel your tuition and loan and get you on a bus home. 

Me: (still stunned but thinking)

At that point I walked back into the theater, yelled for everyone's attention and then loudly told all the students in there what just happened to me. At that point, one of the instructors pulled the door closed and Ross, the lead instructor, comes walking up with security. Security didn't do anything but escort me to my room to get packed. I refused the bus ticket. I did stop by the recruiters office, but they acted like that was just normal to kick someone out without first warning them that they expected students to be obligated to the company after training. Once outside, security came outside with Ross and kicked me off the CR England property.

They told me to go wait across the street, which isn't paved and is basically the shoulder of the other side of the road. I stuck around in Salt Lake City for 4 more days. The second day in the house I was staying in, another guy from CR England showed up saying he just got kicked out from the school too. This guy showed up to CR England, having packed up and moved out back home, thinking he was going to be making money as a truck driver. Instead, he was kicked out and trying to figure out what his next move would be. CR England doesn't care how they inconvenience you. They don't even have the decency to warn you about possible issues before you get there. They just use you and then spit you out.

Look at the three women on this website who attested to being raped and having CR England try to cover it up instead of helping them out. CR England should be shut down. I'm going to look into a class action lawsuit, cuz this kind of stuff is not much different than having a con artist show up at your home. They need to be shut down. If you can't resist going to that school or you are in that school, I advise you to do your one month training til you have your hard copy license in hand and then leave the company and find another company to work for. Don't even give CR England the benefit of having you work there. Anyone who works there knowing what I've spoken about is only supporting them to continue in their criminal behavior.

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AUTHOR: William - (United States of America)

I would believe everything that OP posted.

I was a "Road instructor" at one of CR Englands Schools, I only worked for them for a short bit, about a month and a half was Trainer classes / Train the trainer classes, and sat with another instructor for a couple days.

However, there was no STATE certifications that I was required to take to be able to instruct people at their school.

The stuff I've seen at thier school was rediculous.

And half the original classes that show up do FAIL drug tests... I mean who comes to a school high???

I could not believe that when I saw them leaving for that reason. How dumb.

I wish you luck if you file a suit, you have alot of valid points.
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Well written report! My advice? Listen to it.

AUTHOR: Clintonstain - (United States of America)

I'm an ex-England employee (graduated in Dec '10 from Salt Lake City) and can vouch that every word said here is true. 

England will use you and spit you out. I've seen things there that stunned me. Why else would a company have a multiple metal detectors to get into talk to the non-students who work there?!? It's because they has no problem "burning" people just like mentioned in the earlier story.

Look, if you're looking to drive a truck you have somewhat limited options. I'm not judging - I'm driving now because I couldn't find work using my finance degree. I'm a lot like you. I saw people put out just like this man stated numerous times. People with limited options. THAT's why they've got all the metal detectors. 

If you really want to get a CDL, many states will pay for you to go to a junior college/career college in the state you live if you are unemployed and contact them. Even if they don't pay you can get student loans even if you've got crappy credit. Strongly, strongly suggest this. 

Seeing this reminds me how much I need to put up a YouTube video about what a crap hole England is. In my class they had 100 who showed up. 50 passed through the medical/drug testing. 35graduated the class (some failed the state and/or class tests). Of those 35 only about 15 were left after three months. I left after six and went to work for another major company. 
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doing jobs Americans wont do

AUTHOR: rock star from mars - (USA)

 This dose not have a lot to do with Cr England but about your cdl  DON'T LET THE STATE OF WASHINGTON GET A WAY WITH TAKING YOUR CDL!!! the state hired probable illegal aliens to work in the DMV and they were selling cdls to other illegal aliens.As long as you are suppose to be in this country why should you have  your license taken away for there f...up! they got caught because the illegals were having wrecks and rolling the trucks and they all had cdls from WA state.get the name of the director of the DMV and sue them in small claims court to bring attention to this bull s..t DON'T LET THEM MAKE YOU SUFFER FOR THERE STUPID POLITICALLY CORRECT s**t.I would hire a lawyer and sue for lost wages you said 2 years they hired the thieves you didn't.This same thing happened in Illinois at there dmv the Mexicans they hired were selling cdls but i don't think the state tried to suspend EVERYONE'S CDL AS for as Cr England  they are just a bunch of thieves also and if any of you Anchor Babies that the us tax payers payed to teach to read and use a computer don't like this to bad its ALL true and how do i know they are illegal I HAVE MY WAYS.......to the driver GOOD LUCK!!!
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