• Report: #1055561
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Maria Lorfice

  • Submitted: Sat, June 01, 2013
  • Updated: Sat, June 01, 2013

  • Reported By: Rodney — tucson Arizona
Maria Lorfice
15665 w Scrub Brush rd. marana, Arizona USA

Maria Lorfice BEWARE OF THE MARANA HORSE SCAMMER!! marana Arizona

*Author of original report: You never claimed I was Andrea?

*Author of original report: You are an idiot and it shows!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: never claimed you were my ex or his wife!

*Author of original report: I AM NOT ANDREA FLOOD, but....

*General Comment: People need a life !!!

*General Comment: It is ALL TRUE!!

*General Comment: Answer to Maria Lorfice rip off report

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Maria Lorefice

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 I recently became aware of a scamming, horse trader in marana, Arizona. I have done my home work and want to warn folks of her shady business practices. She runs ads on Craig's list looking for "unwanted horses". She collects free horses, by pretending to be a rescue or telling the owner's it will be a "forever" home and the horse will be for her kids. But those are lies , the horses are for sale on Craig's List the next day. She advertises every horse she sells as "dead broke", "kid safe", etc. We made an appointment to look at a horse, arrived early and watched from down the road.She rides the horses hard for hours before potential buyers come to look at them. The horse are too tired to be anything but good. This hides their bad habits and flaws. She does not disclose where the horse comes from or how long it's been in her possesion. When we vistited the place, it was a mess, garbage everywhere, small, unsafe pens, no shade, a real dump. The horse were all thin and she claimed they came that way and she was bringing them back to health. She had 15 horses and 4 bales of brown, grass hay. Since the hay she had in my eyes wasnt enough to feed that day, we went and checked the next day to see if she had bought feed like she said she was on her way to do. We could see from the road only ONE bale was gone!! 1 bale+15 horses= horses slowly starving. We imagine she tries to sell horses as fast as possible because the longer they sit, the skinnier they become, making them harder to sell.

We replied to a few of her ads for a kid safe , family horses. We asked her if she was a horse trader, she said No, all the horses she had for sale were her personal horses and she was just cutting back. She also claimed to have owned them for years. We know that everything she told us was a lie because we had been investigating her for a while then.

We also ran an ad on Craig's List asking if people had similar experiences. We spoke with several people who had dealt with her and each person had a similar story. The horse was entirely different and not what it was advertised to be. One person's grandchild was seriously injured. The horse was sent to auction.

 She obtains horses by taking advantage of people and lying about who she is and what she wants the free horse for. People can no longer care for their horse, they think they are giving it to a good home, not a horse trader. This place and places like it need to be shut down.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 06/01/2013 11:24 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/maria-lorfice/marana-arizona/maria-lorfice-beware-of-the-marana-horse-scammer-marana-arizona-1055561. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Author of original report

You never claimed I was Andrea?

AUTHOR: Rodney - ()


Here is a LINK TO A REPORT THAT THE IDIOT, MARIA WROTE and now, in writing, denies it. She thinks that the investigation into her SCAM was started by her Ex husband's new wife over jealously. ( we still havent found anything Maria has to be jealous of ) Anyone who has visited her "facility" can see the horses are starved.

BEWARE OF THE MARANA HORSE SCAMMER. Everything in to original report is true and accurate and had NOTHING WHAT SO EVER TO DO with anyone's jelaously. THIS IS ABOUT THE STARVING ANIMALS ON MARIA"S PROPERTY. DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR THEM and believe they are victims! It's the animals who are victims. If you have had dealings with this scandelous, lying , horse trader, please contact me and ad your name and story to our list of her "clients" as she calls them. I knew nothing of these jerks before this investigation and I have not written anything that is not true.

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#2 Author of original report

You are an idiot and it shows!

AUTHOR: Rodney - ()

 Okay, if you go back and read your previous statements, yes you do blame your ex. You  even posted their address and phone number and invited people to "ask them" about it. You also make some other accusations ( refer to rebuttals). Anyway, i have come to the conclusion that I  am arguing with someone who has a VERY low IQ .( probably why your statements sound like a CHILD wrote them. But I have to hand it to you, you sure arent embarrassed by your lack of education and ignorance. You have no issue showing everyone just what  idiot you are! "for starts" LOL, IDIOT

I am going to keep this short ....there is no law against helping horses, but there ought to be a law against what you're doing. You are not a rescue. Your ONLY means of supporting your triffling a*s is selling horses. So, you are NOT " helping horses", they are helping you to pay your bills... If the fat, LAZY sack of s**t that you call a man, would GET A JOB, you wouldnt be in this situation. You know what you are and you also know that ONE little SLIVER of the shittiest cow hay money can buy IS NOT ENOUGH to maintain a horse. That is why your horses look like death and you know it.... I know you werent always a big steaming pile of s**t, so I KNOW you know how much feed is appropriate and you assholes dont come close to feeding enough.

If I were you, Id keep a low profile and my mouth shut, but I know you're not that smart. so keep talking out your a*s. The investigation is far from over. ( you will know when it is) I wouldnt be so sure about anything right now....leaving town will be easier that dealing with the aftermath. You have made many enemies along the way..a smart person might be worried. But we both know, smart is not an adjective that describes you. So when all your s**t hits the fan , youre going to wish you had left town.

You OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO CLUE who I am or what you're talking about, yet you have NO PROBLEM TALKING OUT OF YOUR a*s .... " you've seen my wife" REally!? No you havent... And, I am far from an "impotent old man".  You just make this stuff up as you go? NOBODY HAS MADE UP ANY STORIES ABOUT YOU, you can deny all you want, BUT YOU AND I BOTH KNOW WHAT YOU ARE....We have what is called PROOF of every accusation, SIGNED affidavits from  the people you duped , oh sorry i mean your "clients"(haha) and pictures of the horses you "helped" (ha ha) All you have are guesses, acussations and wrong assumptions. Your BIGGEST wrong assumption would be under estimating me.You have made LOTS of enemies and none of them are afraid to speak out. The lady who gave you Vido and the other horse, for example. I have Not found oNE PERSON you have dealt with that had anything favorable to say...That speaks volumes for your character. They all bought horses just to "save them" from your "help".


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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

never claimed you were my ex or his wife!

AUTHOR: anonymous - ()

I never claimed you were my ex or his wife, That's the issue with stupid rednecks like you, They/you tend to make assumptions without knowing the facts, so please do make an a** of yourselves and present yourself in court with my ex, your world will come crumbling down soon after. Chase me out of town, that's funny considering this is my home town, keep trying, you're getting nowhere with your false accusations and reports along with your pathetic little clan that's trying to help you, I have no worries at all, I've been investigated before and look, im still doing what I love :) what makes you think you can stop me? Must make you feel better about yourself to call others names, impotent,

you must be talking from experience old man, but who blames your p***s for hiding when it has to sleep with that whitetrash w***e you call a wife, yes, I seen what you're married to, nothing to brag about. You are no better from all the others who like to fib, My favorite fibs. I've heard so far: #1-i got someones grandchild hurt and they have the dr. Bills to prove it. #2-i beat Mia with a rake and the neighbors told her they have video. #3-i took their horse and 3 days later I had him for sale on craigslist. #4-i took her elder Arabian and had her posted a few days later. LIST GOES ON.... I've heard them all from other clients, i have alot of good laughs about the exaggerated stories! I do my home work also RODNEY BLACKBURN, I've heard all the lies including yours. keep trying to shut me down, you or noone can, I can continue what im doing, there's no law against helping horses and others.

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#4 Author of original report


AUTHOR: Rodney - ()

  Maria lorfice and Chris williams are two the SHADIEST, LAZIEST, conarists around. THEY DO NOT HOLD A REAL JOB.

THIS IS ABOUT YOU AND YOUR BF STARVING ANIMALS ON YOUR PROPERty. The issue is not your ex husband's jealousy, I mean ,  c'mon. WHAT would they be jealous of? YOUR GHETTO FABULOUS LIFESTYLE?? OR Your FAT impotent , lazy boyfriend??? NOT! You wrote some report blaming your ex's new wife.tHANK YOU for providing me with your ex's name, address, and phone number!!! without you, i may have never found it... I am here to tell you that when they sue your butt for defamation and what ever else they can get you for, I will be there to testify that it was ME who wrote this report. BECAUSE IT"S TRUE.... Yes, there are people out there other than your ex. (who condsider's the divorce "the best thing that ever happened to him") who think you are DISGUSTING.... WHAT exactly is there to be jealous of? Your fat, lazy, BF? Or your nasty, roach infested, trailer that IS FALLING DOWN AND should be condemned? trust me, you have NOTHING to be envious of.... NOTHING!!You say they dont clean there horse pens? AT LEAST THEY FEED THEIR HORSES...YOUR HORSES ARE STARVED....WAKE UP! LOOK AROUND YOUR NASTY PLACE!! YOU GET A HORSE THAT IS FAT AND ITS A RACE AGINST THE CLOCK TO SELL IT BEFORE YOU STARVE IT DOWN.

YOU THINK NO ONE NOTICES YOUR SHADY BUSINESS DEALINGS????it is hilarious to me that you think the only people who see you for the SCUM you are is your ex and his new wife??  CLEAN YOUR NASTY YARD BEFORE TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE'S.  PEOPLE MAY SMILE TO YOUR FACE, BUT EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT YOU AND THAT SLOB.... You lie to people to obtain animals, THEN YOU LET YOU PUT THEM ON A STARVATION DIET OF THE CRAPPIEST, brown,cow hay you can find UNTIL THEY SELL... I am not done with you.... as long as you have animals SUFFERING FROM STARVATION on your property, we WILL BE IN YOUR BUSINESS. and thanks again for your ex's contact info.... I am sure I can be a really be of help to him. I WILL NOT STOP until I have ran you out of town. GET A REAL JOB AND QUIT PREYING ON THE MISFORTUNES OF OTHER PEOPLE AND ANIMALS....You may think this is over, but you just keep "rescueing" and see what happens. When the state gets done investigating Andrea and they find the reoprts were legit and that andrea was NOT behind them, it's all going to come crashing down on YOUR HEAD....then you'll be the one internal affairs is investigating.... so just keep defaming your ex....you are going to end up with the SLOB as your ONLY family. PS... even your own kids know what he is. they too are tired of living in SQUALAR!


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People need a life !!!

AUTHOR: jenn the great one - ()

 ok for starts I know marie and chris very well and think that people need to grow up and act their age its really funny Andrea flood / lorefice writes bad things about her husbands matthew lorefice ex wife. Matthew beat and mentally abused his ex wife she did a good thing for herself and children leaving his a*s just because he had a job is no reason to stay with someone. if matthew was such a great guy he wouldn't have been arrested for attacking his ex in public place he actions made him lose his job with the state cause he was found guilty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marie and chris just try to mind their own business and keep getting sucked into drama always cause these 2 losers keep trying to bring em down with false reports to police and the biggest one is this andrea works for Dept. of Ecomonic Security and she is now being looked into for false reporting and she is about to lose her job. Everytime you turn around these 2 ppl are causing grief and problem and seriously y do they feel the need to always give out marie and chris address and phones and considering Matthews children live there is really outrighteous cause what if someone harmed his kids in process of all this crap. Andrea claims her husband is such a great guy blah blah blah y doesn't he pay his child support which he has failed to do so in 6 months. A good guy wouldn't talk s**t about his kids mother regardless of their relationship its called being civil and for sure these 2 ppl cant b civil.they should try cause there is innocent children in the mix .. marie and chris have had so many people checking them out and if they were in the wrong they would have been busted for it. Marie busts her butt taking in horses people don't want or cant afford to care and gets them up to weight and gets them people friendly and good riders she is honest when getting horses new homes also she does this all out of her own pocket. so maybe people she start call andrea and matthew and ask them why or have people go to their house all the time checking them out. So go ahead and lets start calling them and ask them 520-591-8812 or 520-349-8999 address is 12505 N. Avenida Saturno marana az 85653.. everything I posted is true and can be verified... matthew has been arrested n found quilty on domestic violence charges against his ex. they abuse their animals and stave them they always posting on craigslist check them out. these games need to stop..............

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#6 General Comment

It is ALL TRUE!!

AUTHOR: Anonnymous - ()

  Maria used to be a decent, honest, person before she got with her boyfriend, Chris Williams. He FORCES Maria to lie, cheat ,and steal from people in order to support HER family. Chris  claims to have a bad back is his excuse for making his woman RUN A SCAM to get by. Since everything else he claims is a lie, I am 99 % sure he is just an over weight, con man. Just a bit of back ground...he also claimed to be in "counter survellience" for the US military and also to have special military clearance. These has been checked into and proved to be LIES.  Maria is weak minded and believes everything he says. She even divorced her husband who is hard working and HOLDS A JOB and supports their family to be with Chris.

She has ALLOWED HERSELF to be taken advantage of by Chris and follows him like a beat puppy dog. He sits inside on his butt while she puts her neck on the line, telling lies and scamming people. Maria takes all the heat , while Chris lays in bed and does nothing. Everything Rodney said in his report it TRUE. Maria is forced by Chris to feed horses on thier property a VERY small amount , just enough to keep them standing is absolutely correct. They STARVE the horses slowly until they are sold. Maria totally lies to get people to give her horses. It is up to Maria to bring in money by any means neccessary. Chris is the brains behind the operation, Maria is mentally challenged, ( just read her "rebuttal" ) she can BARELY read and write, much less run a scam.

Maria claims every problem, rescue horse they recieve is a Kid safe and dead broke, not because they are, but so they will sell faster. She runs them in circles for HOURS prior to a sale, ensuring they are too beat down (and hungry) to act up.  Maria has put herself and her kids in a SAD and SICK situation. I think ANYONE who's been around them and has some common sense, can see what's going on. Maria is the only one impressed with Chris. She is under the illusion that he supports and provides for them. It is sad and sick that he is so lazy, he has his woman to do his dirty work and take all the heat.

 Chris Williams has found a woman who is nieve enough to believe and be impressed by his lies.  He has her convinced they help people with their horses. They only thing they help the horses with is LOOSING WEIGHT! She does not train the horses or fix issues, Maria doesnt have time to do anything but cater to "the sloth" ( is what he is refererred to as in their neighborhood.) Everyone out in Marana (besides Maria) sees Chris for the lying, conartist he is.

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AUTHOR: Electric Lava - ()

  I have known Maria for a few years. I have know she feeds and properly cares for the horses on her property. Arizona has a major problem with unwanted horses. She provides an outlet for these horses. Maria takes horses that need help and rehabs them. I have personaly witnessed the recovery of many starved and neglected horses in her care. It is a slow process, they do not turn around over night. She uses her own money to rehab them and in most cases, she spends more money than she makes on a sale.  I have never seen less than a half a stack of hay on her property.

She feeds alfalfa, not grass hay. Many horses that come to her property require months of rehab and vet care. They have feet issues that need to be addressed or internal problems from being starved. These are all PRE existing conditions that have to be adressed prior to adoption.  In MOST cases the horses need at least six months to recover.  The horses are wormed and their teeth/feet are done while in her care.  In most cases, feet are over grown and require months of rehab and farrier work before they are healthy again.

 I have sent MY own rescue horses to her place for training and placement. She has always done the animals I have brought her justice.  Maria and her daughter ride and season all the horses prior to placing them in a home. She has never misled me about her intentions to "re-home" said horses. She is a knowledgable horse person who has provided MANY desperate equines a safe haven until alternative placement was found.

There are just not enough rescues and places willing to take these animals and there are EVEN LESS places willing to spend their OWN money to clean up other people's messes. Her place isnt a 5 star boarding facility, but the horses are safe, fed, VETTED and provided with training needed to be their best. Maria has saved many equines that were turned down by 5013c rescues. Without her, they would have been left to starve or sent to slaughter.

 Maria isnt the problem here. The problem is weak laws and owner's who allow these animals to suffer months or years of neglect. The problem is 1000's of unwanted, desperate horses who have no voice of their own. Maria has stepped up and found 100's of these horses homes. It is easy for an outsider to jump to conclusions and judgements without the entire story.

 As far as the accusation of "misrepresenting horses"... Horses are unpredictable, live animals, they react to new situations differently.  If the rider has no idea what they are doing, the best horse in the world isnt going to suit them. Beginners horse people need RIDING LESSONS prior to horse ownership. It is easy to blame the seller , but if you havent bothered to learn proper horsemanship skills, the blame lies with you. Accidents happen on horses, the seller cannot be held liable for a horses behavior once the horse is no longer in their care.

Maria has done her best and eased suffering for many , many horses and I hope she doesnt let the ignorant comments by one misinformed person stop her from providing this much needed service FOR THE HORSES.

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#8 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Maria Lorefice

AUTHOR: mll - ()

i have never promised a horse a forever home, when i take any horse, any owner giving up their horse to any individual or i is always informed the horse will eventually be relocated,

i take on horses others dont want,

i along with my child has taken each and everyone of our horses out on extreme trails and seasoned them to the max,

i never provide how long ive had them because it does scare buyers away,  

i do not ever disclose a horses bad habit or vices and i have never worked a horse before a client was to view,

please share your proff rather than lies, 

do you have any written promises from me to people that have given their horses to me?

do you have me advertising as a rescue?

i havent advertised as a rescue for months,

i still take on free horses in bad shape, there is no law against that, there is no law in resaling a horse either,

please share with me, whos grandchild supposedly got hurt on one of my horses,

no lawsuit, i was never contacted and informed, 

 everything you have is here say, no proof, 

only brown hay on my property, 

please share those photos also,

i dont keep brown hay for the horses on my property, 

only goat hay, 

i always have a stack of green alfalfa, 

if you know me, 

if anyone knows me,

i dont feed grass hay, only alfalfa....

all i see is a bunch of lies, so yes, please try to close me down,

no law against selling horses or obtaining horse for free.



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