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Complaint Review: Phoenix Management - Scentura Creations - Middlesex New Jersey

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It all started with a simple glance through the classified ads. I had quit my job in retail a couple days before and was ready to begin hunting for a "real job". I see an ad for a receptionist with no experience necessary. Perfect, I think, right up my ally. I give them a call. The woman who answers is very enthusiastic. She asks me some basic questions and ensures that while I live about 45 minutes away, I will be willing to travel for the right kind of job. She is even helpful enough to give me directions. I'm surprised that she wants me to come in today--as it was around one when I called--but nonetheless enthusiastic about the prospect of a new career.

Fast forward two hours. I arrive at a string of non-descript offices. I'm early so I sit in the car and call my mom. I tell her how the place looks a bit rundown from the outside but hey, at least I didn't get lost. When I enter the office, I'm surprised. There is loud, popular music playing, a woman sitting at a desk adorned with only a phone and a clipboard, and two females around my age dressed more for an interview at a fashion agency then for one as a receptionist. Immediately my morale drops. I can see that this isn't the type of job I thought it was. Nevertheless, I wait it out. I sit down an fill out my application...and it's one of the strangest I have ever seen. It actually asks me what sort of reliable transportation I have and has no space for prior employment history. After about a ten to fifteen minute wait, I'm asked into a room to "interview" with a fast-talking young man whose name I can't recall. He says he doesn't want to take up much of my time and that this is simply a brief screening process. He "briefly" outlines the two positions that need to be filled. He says there are two entry level management positions at 30,000 a year (547.42 a week)and one receptionist position at 8-9 dollars an hour. He also says that there will be sales positions opening up in the near future. He asks me which I feel I'm best suited for. I say that while I can do either, I'd prefer management. He says great and asks me what my best quality is. I say my intelligence. He informs me that if I'm chosen for a second interview, I'll receive a phone call between 5 and 6 that very evening.

While driving away, I'm ecstatic. 30,000 a year isn't the best manager pay but it was a little better than my last job and I could be in charge. Sure, I thought it was weird that he talked so fast and knew exactly how much 30,000 broke down to weekly...and sure, I had asked what sort of company this was and still had no idea...but hey, it still seemed like an awesome opportunity. I got the phone call that I was wanted back while driving home. I should have known something was up when she told me to make sure I brought a notebook and a pen. I've also never heard anyone say "dress to impress" in a job environment. That's usually reserved for clubs and parties. Two and a half to three hours also seemed extreme for an interview time. Anyways, the second interview isn't for a week so waste that week doing absolutely nothing...figuring that I will soon have a 9-5 and not be able to sleep in.

Second interview day arrives. I have gone out and bought myself nice new interview attire, complete with a blazer. Everything down to the color of my nails is perfect. I arrive about fifteen minutes early. I park...after being notified that the parking space in the front is for someone important. I head into the office and there isn't a seat to be had. There's barely any space to stand. I sign the clipboard and I'm number 12. My brain is completely given over to chanting "wtf". I simply cannot understand being invited back for a second interview at the same time as so many others. I wondered if it was a competition. Once again, the same woman (Karen, I believe)is sitting at the desk doing absolutely nothing but talking...unless you count the two people she "phone interviewed" while we were waiting.

The meeting started late. We were herded into a room that already had two or three people sitting in it. I was confused. It didn't look like a meeting room, it looked like a classroom. It came complete with stacked plastic chairs, a TV, a radio, podium and a dry erase board. As soon as we sit down, a loud, energetic woman named Holly starts to talk about her grandmother. By now, I realize something is not quite right about this situation. You see, Holly's shirt is completely see through except for her bra. You do NOT come to work in a respectable place of business looking like that. How utterly ridiculous. Anyway, she talks about her grandmother. Then she talks about a bet she has with Donny. You can tell she's just talking just to fill up space which is strange because this is supposed to be a job interview. Somewhere in the midst of all the talk she makes us write what was on the board when we came in:
S.C.I.
Phoenix Management
President - Larry Hahn
Divisional Manager - Donny Zinkin
Regional Manager - Holly Jacobetz
Site Locator - Karen Cirago


Finally, Donny shows up. He's just as loud as Holly but more boisterous. He begins by talking about his workout regimen. He then mentions that throughout the course of the presentation (his word, not mine) he will be eliminating some people and letting others eliminate themselves. He tells us that there will be a Q&A session at the end that we should hold our questions for because if we ask during the presentation, it'll end up taking too long. He informed us that if we were only sitting there because we were on unemployment and needed a paper signed to say that we'd been there, we were out of luck because he wasn't "signing a d**n thing". He begins his presentation in earnest talking about Larry, Larry's money, company trips and the Mercedes money he won. Eventually he gets to us. He makes us list the qualities he wants from us so that we can't say he didn't mention them later. The qualities were as follows:
positive attitude, enthusiastic, dependable, mon-fri 9 - 5:30 ish sats mandatory/optional 10 - 4:30 until you can get a trustworthy Assistant manager, dependable means of transportation, and teachable.

No...that's not a typo. He seriously listed hours and transportation as qualities. More than a little suspect. He went on to tell us that fragrances are recession resistant. Which, given the tone of the whole presentation, seemed a bit out of place. He went on to discuss the reason department stores place fragrances in the front and gave us a break-down of where the money goes when you purchase a bottle of perfume. He discussed renditions, Larecy, and did the demonstration with the cheap bottle of aerosol perfume. He then gave us a breakdown of the 6-8 weeks of training. He broke it into four phases:
Phase I
Basics
merchandising
marketing
distributors
B to B (Business to Business)
EDP (Employee Discount Plan)
He briefly mentioned becoming independent contractors and that we could only give our friends and families discounts on the first three days after we started.
Phase II
This was basically a brief blurb that said you're only good as a manager if you can teach others what you know.
Phase III
Management
Checklist
6-8 of his people to manage
pick your location
Phase IV
Administrative end
A/R
A/P
Budget
Inventory
Phones

He told us that the parameter of our income during the program varies. He gave an example of someone making 800 dollars a week and someone else making only 10. Apparently, there was some sort of badge program where if you complete a phase, you get a badge. That sure does seem like middle school to me. He said there were company trips two times a year and that the regionals get an additional four trips. He broke down the money a business should make and by his calculations a business should sell 200 units a week which should add up to 60,000 a year for someone who doesn't take the contract. He also said he didn't open up a new location until the area was moving 200 units. How in the world are these 200 units being moved, I wondered, and who are these mystery distributors? He explained that if we took the contract, he'd pay for our benefits excluding dental but if we didn't, we were on our own. Then he explained that he wasn't going to tell the group whether people were being eliminated or not, rather, he'd let us leave by twos or threes and have Holly tell us. He then gave us instructions to fill out the background check from and return it or fax it the next day if we were accepted. He said the dress code would be casual but neat and that jeans were acceptable. He told us to think of it like going to class. He said he wouldn't call us if we didn't show up and if we didn't get the paper back he'd assume we'd changed our minds. He then read off our names once and we were to respond and tell him whether or not we could start Monday. After making some notations on the papers, he ran back through and asked everyone two or three questions. While he was asking a couple questions, a couple people were led out by Holly. We waited a while and Karen was called to escort out one remaining person. Then he asks us if we want the good news or the bad news first. he says there is no bad news. We've all been accepted. He makes us give ourselves a round of applause...twice. He then says that we don't have to be in until eleven on monday morning because he knows we want to go out and party in order to celebrate our new jobs. I think this is the oddest thing because it's Thursday and monday is three days away. He says that this is going to be like graduation. He hands us a piece of paper and shakes our hand as we leave. He smiles at the ones before me...but not at me. Perhaps he knew.

Now, there were one or two things that happened during this long-winded retardation that I can't place chronologically. At one point, he stopped talking to address a young man sitting in the back who wasn't writing. he told him that if he didn't want to take notes, he didn't need to be there. The guy left and Donny told someone to go out and check on him because he didn't want him in his waiting room. Later, he "picked on" two people in the front row. One was a black male, the other was a white female. He began a scenario in which the black male worked with the company for years as some sort of assemblyman but didn't get promoted when a management position became available but the white female graduated and though she had no experience, got the job. He went on to tell us how much better of a manager she would be if she worked with him for a week before taking the job. The whole thing seemed pointless and rubbed me the wrong way. Towards the end, the female sitting next to me was obviously paying attention but had stopped taking notes. Donny also stopped to ask her is she needed to leave, reinforcing the fact that she needed to take notes.

During this circus of greed and ignorance, he gave us a website. www.scenturacreations.com I was incredibly skeptical at this point and figured I had better do some research on this company. This website is among the most suspicious I have ever seen. It has testimonials...and I ask you...when has a legitimate company ever needed testimonials for hiring processes? My suspicion grew and I decided to look up scentura and I found exactly what the rest of you have found. This is a scam that seems to have been around for quite some time. It seems to be new to Middlesex and thus hasn't raised enough complaints yet to significantly warn people. I've read just about everything I could on this situation in the last couple of hours and it seems to me that the people posting rebuttals and arguing the legitimacy of scentura are incredibly uneducated. This is a scam that preys on the uneducated and malleable. Unfortunately, these are the very same people who will be unable to access the internet to check out prospective shady employers. I have no intentions to actually go through with training so I probably can't get them shut down. It would appear that they'd only open up somewhere new. This is the sort of thing that could only really happen in America. The old adage is indeed true. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

Amber
Neptune, New Jersey
U.S.A.

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#7 General Comment

Representing yourself as a Management Position and in reality offering only a Door to Door Salesman position, MAKES THIS A SCAM.

AUTHOR: brgoden - (USA)

POSTED: Tuesday, September 29, 2015

I'll notice that every positive response from an employee does NOT contradict the fact that the job they claim as 'Management' is really a door-to-door salesman position, whether or not there is slim and hardwon opportunity for advancement. This company represents themselves as supplying two kinds of jobs, a managment position and a receptionist position. But the receptionist job is rarely filled, just dangled as a way to draw you into hocking their knock off and self-admittedly substandard perfume on a street corner for your supper. The only way this does not qualify as a 'traditional' pyramid scheme is because they do not ask you to pay for your startup costs. That does not mean that you will be any better off for this enterprise, as they take a heavy percentage of whatever you do manage to sell. They offer you a base pay plan, if you prefer not to be completely commission based, but I have read on other comments here that some have never recieved their weekly checks. 

The bottom line is that if a job is offered, and you are called into interview for that position, (speaking of the reception position here), that position should actually exist. If a job advertises as a management position and turns out to be a door-to-door salesman position with completely commission based pay, then you have misrepresented yourself and this is a SCAM.

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#6 Consumer Comment

Scam

AUTHOR: AROD13 - (United States of America)

POSTED: Monday, July 09, 2012

Its not a question of there being a "successful business model" or anything about training. None of the counter comments address the main complaint. People are not happy because they were not told from the beginning what the "job" or "training" entails. 

From very beginning people should be told:

A) You will be selling knock off perfume

B) There is no salary. Earnings are 100 % commission

C) You will be selling to people on the street. 

D) Opening an "office"  requires you to find people who want to do A, B , and C

Take care of the later and Scentura Creations and friends can clear up all of the "confusion" and "negativity". I am sure it would also be alot harder to find people so sell the product. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.  

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#5 Consumer Comment

Simple Business - Unique Opportunity

AUTHOR: AndyRod2906 - (United States of America)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 26, 2012

It's a simple business:
(a) Take the product to the field, see a lot of people, pay for the merchandise after its sold. 
(b) Show other people how to sell
(c) Learn the office and administration procedures
(d) Open your own office

There's no guarantee of success, because they can't guarantee that you'll do the business the right way.  

But it's a proven formula, it has worked for 37 years, and a lot of people over the years have walked into the interview just like you did, given it a shot, and are now successful and passing along the opportunity.

You'll never be asked for a dime, and training is free.  How is that a scam?

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#4 Consumer Comment

Phoenix Management is for real!

AUTHOR: Jmartin1216 - (United States of America)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 20, 2012

Phoenix Management is for real.  For every person on here saying it's BS, there's someone else out there taking advantage of the opportunity.

The training program is awesome, it's a proven business model, and it's way more fun than any company I've ever worked with.

I don't understand how people can call this a scam -  when do they ever ask you for any money? You just work hard in training, and once you're done, you get a chance to run your own deal!

Where else do you find something like that?

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#3 General Comment

Phoenix Management

AUTHOR: Mariann - (United States of America)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I went for my 1:00 appointment today and all seemed fine, till I filled out a short one page application. Usually an application is several pages. Never asked about my background at other jobs, names of other jobs, positions I had, salary, nothing. Yes it did ask if I had transportation and what kind. Pretty much what you said Amber. After filling out the 2 minute application, I waited oh about 10 minutes. Then in runs Donny with his lunch, sneakers, jeans and plaid shirt.

I waited another 10 some minutes, and the three of us went inside together. He's still dressed the same, not very professional. He said he was running behind schedule and wanted to see us three together. I just sat there thinking this isn't a normal interview. After he spoke fast, he then spoke to each of us separately while we were all sitting together. He suggested for me to take the management position because it makes more money than the receptionist position which I've been for 37 years and $10-$11 is a lot less than what I'm used to being paid as a receptionist.

Ok I don't mind doing the management job for $30,000 a year at $575 a week as he broke it up. He said he'll make up his mind and call us around 5-5:30 this evening, well it's 6:13 so I guess I'm not in. Maybe he didn't like the expression on my face. My expression was more like concern and curious and suspicious about the whole thing.

Who knows. Anyways, the management position requires 6 weeks of training, ok no problem but, you don't get the job till you're trained? Usually you're hired and the company trains you on the job. Then who pays for the training, us or the company? I didn't get the job, but I'm just still curious! I had some friends check it out and they said this whole thing sounds like a scam. They've done some deep research for me. I'll make sure I'll spread the word around.

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#2 UPDATE Employee

What a fraud.

AUTHOR: C - (United States of America)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 11, 2012

I personally find it amusing that a Scentura manager just had the nerve to say they "weren't going to lie to anyone"- is that not what you are paid to do?

I am only rebutting this so that people know the scam is still going on, and they have recently posted all over Craigslist and Monster. While I was there in my first group interview (everything was similar to what the original poster said, so I won't bug you by repeating it all) Donny explained that he had 8-10 management positions left. When I went home I saw the ad on Craigslist again, still looking for "18-25 sharp individuals" who like to have fun at work and work in a noisy atmosphere. I thought it was fishy, so I began to search. Lo and behold, I found all these scam reports.

All Donny could say to defend himself was that "people could succeed" at the job and that I was "bringing negativity". When I asked him why he didn't explain it to us honestly, he had nothing to say. My words were "If its a fine job that someone may succeed at, why are you not telling us the truth about it?" He had nothing. He's clearly used to people protesting and picketing his location and gets them off the premises quickly.

Basically, what they'll do is bring you in, have you sell crappy knock off perfume to your family (you're led to believe that's the only selling you have to do) and then he will send you to peddle more knockoff perfume in different locations (some of which having 'no soliciting' signs). Most people never open a warehouse, because you need to sell something like 300 units in order to do so. You may mark down the price of the product in order to move it, but then you wind up losing money.

It's best not to waste your time with this one. I feel bad for the people who are drawn in, as the location is sort of off the beaten path (middlesex, the town, not the county) and gas is expensive (especially when you are unemployed, which is essentially what you will be, even while working there).

My question is this- how has he made it there for as long as he has? I agree with Amber and her "Only in America" comment. He will back himself up with his Better Business Bureau rating (an A+), but if you actually look at the BBB website, it's a pay to play game (all businesses have to pay) and "Phoenix Management" has no actual customers, since they are giving their products to individuals to sell. If you attempt to post an employment complaint, BBB re-directs you to nowhere (they have no website for that) and apologizes. Hence how he was able to keep his A+.

What a disheartening experience. Let this be a lesson to always check a place before you go in there by googling the name of the company followed by "scam?". The unfortunate part is all the people who are here know that already and all the rest are probably still selling cheap knockoff perfume trying to make ends meet. Very sad situation indeed.

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#1 UPDATE Employee

Stop insulting people who do this business

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 30, 2007

Amber,

You claimed that you read information for hours on the company. You probably have realized that most of the people reporting to ripoffreport.com are just other people who went through an interviewing process similar to yours. These people didn't even go through any sort of training. They just saw another person that was skeptical and just took their word for it instead of seeing it for themselves. This business can be lucrative to anyone who's will to work harder than most but also has what's called "growth mind set."

I'm not going to lie to you. This is not for everyone but to callously refer to all people who are in this business as uneducated is insulting. If you were so skeptical from the beginning why did you show up? Not every business is run the same way. You have never ran a successful business so it's impossible for you to say what should happen. Most business people are tough. Look at Donald Trump. People used to think McDonald's franchise was a scam. Now they're the most lucrative fast food chain in the world.

Back then "franchises" was the new thing in business and many were skeptical. Now Network Marketing companies are the new thing. Most people become successful and achieve financial independence by working for themselves with no money down in this type of business all because someone like Larry Hahn will invest himself. It's not too good to be true because they told during 2nd interview that this was going to be the toughest time of your life if you start. That is true. But the rewards are far better than you would believe. That beats any job you can get where they treat like a number instead of a human.

There are bigger companies out there with far more complaints than this company. Now I would leave my name but since I know that people believe anything they see on the internet I don't want my name involved. Funny how people used to believe everything they saw on TV. Now everyone doesn't believe much on TV anymore. Same thing will happen to the internet. Sincerely,

One of Scentura's Branch Managers.

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