Quixtar Ripoff Not For Most - Be Aware. 70+k salary would be darn tough without doing some underhanded and dishonest St. Paul Minnesota

Jason,

If you're still involved..call me at 336-705-8959 and I would like to work with you. If you are successful without all the upline tapes cds and books etc etc

Mark,

It's sad when so many people blame Quixtar for having a bad experience with starting their business. You wouldn't blame the NFL if one player or team did drugs would you? If you would, you have other issues. My point is, I've rarely if ever heard anyone have an honest complaint about Quixtar or their products. Every starts out blaming Quixtar for their bad experience, but after reading their story, it always comes back to their sponsors / upline / team they join up under. There are alot of bad teams out there giving "Quixtar" a bad rep, and it's not fair to the rest of us. I signed up under LTD as well a while back, I listened to everything, and did everything, and got into alot of debt too.

Instead of quitting and calling Quixtar a bad company I just decided that I've spent enough, and I wasn't going to waste more money if I'm not getting results. I stopped going to all the meetings, ect. But I still loved the products, so I bought what I needed every month, 100 points or not.. I just bought what I needed. My upline stopped calling, I didn't care and I didn't feel bad about it. But I can understand if it was someone you knew from your past. And I've heard so many stories about sponsors helping you in the beginning, but if you didn't do everything right they just shun you. Last time I checked IBO stood for "INDEPENDANT BUSINESS OWNER".

Now granted not everyone can know how to run a business on their own right from the start. I spent 5 years reading leadership / self help books. (on my own, not because of my upline). And now I work from home full time, and am having much more success with my Quixtar based business. I'm not wasting money with meetings, CD's ect. And when I get people started and work with them, I've learned from the mistakes of all these other 'bad teams' out there, and I help out my people without expecting them to buy into all of that stuff. People are out there by the thousands looking for ways to make money without having to go into debt, and I'd love to help them, without causing them to buy into all the "extras" that are "needed" to build a business.

Well I'm about done for now, I hope you read this and I don't know if I can leave my personal info on here but feel free to call or write me, I'd more than willing to talk and answer any questions. I'm not here to convince you to get signed up with me either. Just hope this helps or at least helps anyone else out there that's looking to get started with any business. Not only should you do research into the company you're looking at getting involved in, but look into the team (upline) as well. Even if it's your best friend from grade school. I just hate to see all these people get a bad taste in their mouth about making money with a business opportunity just because of a bad sponsor / team. There are so many great / legit companies out there to get involved with, but at the same time there are alot of bad teams promoting those companies too.

Thanks for listening,
Jason

First, I am a brother of an Emerald in Quixtar, and a former IBO.

My Sister and Brother-in-Law make approx 2/3 of their income of the "tools". I se nothing wrong with that, but it is not something that WWDB wants to admit to.

Most diamonds and above have to replace about 50% of their IBO's per year, so an actual "retirement" is not in the picture. Just like any business, you need to work at it and keep the pace up or your income will suffer. Gee you have to work for the money, not a hard concept, but I think it would be nice if the facts were laid out, and realistic goals and work were told up front.

The reason I left was because I disagree with the "passing negative" downline rule. When one of the head honcho's cheat on their wife, and have an affair, and the story is that he "retired" (All info is on the net if your care to look,). Another diamond is messing around on his wife, with a DD under him, and his upline Double Diamond has her business "pulled" due to the rule of messing with someone's spouse, and his Diamond doesn't have to answer because she was not married. And a Diamond in SLC gets arrested for kicking his wife's mother in the stomach... AND WWDB hushed all this up, I just can't get behind people like this. I was told to tell downline that my upline was good Christians, men and women of integrity, and "edify" my upline, I just could not do it.

All in all, it is a business. Did anyone tell you that technically, according to the rules ,if you don't have 10 customers, you are not supposed to get a bonus check? It is in the rules that came with your kit, check it out.

The best use of this business was one of my crossline sold to industry, and lived off the commissions, quite comfortably. It can be done, but look at the real picture.

While Quixtar is really not a cult, they do use a lot of cult tricks. Isolating you from anyone not in the business,. Sleep deprivation, tapes and book over and over. Yes you can benefit from it, but just be aware of the tactics used.

NightHawk

I have been involved in 3 mlm's, quixtar being the latest. I have not lost money in any of them and made a little profit in each. My advise is know when to get in, know when to get out and know your upline. I only worked with people who were still your friend outside of the business. I have been inactive for a year and a half and still have a great group of friends from the business. Don't get in over your head and don't spend money you don't have.

While everyone pushes the dream and the systems and attending everything remember its your business. I still am ahead. By the way, the education benefits me more then the $30,000 I spent in University and it didn't cost me anything but "TIME"!

Before the business I was very introverted, never laughed or showed emotion. The "SYSTEM" gave me confidence, built up my self esteem and saved my marriage. Then I got out! LIFE IS GOOD!

Remember there are several different ways to "do" quixtar each with good and bad people in them. Just so you know the "system" I was in is not listed here and has the least bad news on the net. They are honest about the system and that there is money in it. The money gets shared way downline. They also have a huge staff, sound equiptment, hall rentals and produce thier own tools. Its a business, they make money, they will tell you that. If I owned a movitvational company I would charge alot more for tickets and materials.

Just my thoughts.

I want to first clear up some confusion in above rebuttals regarding the corporate history of Quixtar.

In the mid 1900s, Jay VanAndel and d**k DeVos invented a sort of granola bar that they claimed had virtually miraculous health properties. The FDA rushed in and told them that they could not make such bogus claims when marketing their product. But without being able to "trump up" the qualities of their product, they found that they were unable to sell it.

Thier solution was basically the invention of the MLM scheme. They hired other people to market the product on commission, and allowed those people to hire other people, who would also work on the commission, and the first people in the game could share in the commission, and so on.

After this scheme proved successful in marketing the granola bars, VanAndel and DeVos decided to add many more products to their line, with the same marketing concept of allowing other people to market the product, thereby avoiding personal liability for the deceptive ways in which the products were marketed. They originally called their company "American Way" and later shortened it to "Amway."

By the 1990s, the name Amway had become synonomous with scam, at least in the United States. The contemporaneous advent of the internet provided the company with a golden opportunity: change the method of marketing to an internet based program and change the name to Quixtar. So Jay and d**k set up a "holding company" named Alticor, thereby putting up two corporate shields against personal liability. Alticor begat Quixtar, which consumed the U.S. operations of Amway. Amway is still in existence in other countries, and Alticor now owns a couple other corporations.

Now, I can't speak too badly of the VanAndel and DeVos families, because I live in West Michigan and recognize their philanthropy. Anybody who has ever been to Grand Rapids will tell you that virtually every public building is "VanAndel" this or "DeVos" that. In fact, I received most of my undergraduate education in the VanAndel campus of GVSU, my graduation ceremony was held in the VanAndel arena; my daughter's GI specialist operates out of the DeVos Women and Children's Hospital; and I have seen many theatric performances at DeVos Hall.

Now to the meat of my long-winded rebuttal.

Josh, you ended your rebttal with the following statement, which I will use as a springboard for my sur-rebuttal: "If Greg and Jacquie Francis can go from 0 to diamond in just over 5 years, and we're hearing stories of people starting platinum qualification within a few months of signing up, then it's obvious that the business is working."

Josh, nobody is disputing the notion that there ARE successes in Quixtar. The system would not perpetuate itself if there weren't some success stories. But the fact that SOME people succeed, and that you hear stories of some quick successes, is in no way evidence that the business is working.

The business IS working for those who have succeeded. The problem is that for every success story there are at least a thousand failures. Now, if you had a car that got you to work without breaking down one out of every thousand times you drove it, would you claim that your car was "working"?

The big problem with your assertion, which replicates the whole idea behind the selling of the "plan," is that you are employing anecdotal tales of success while ignoring the data suggesting that the actual chances of success are infinitessimal.

By your logic, I could say that since many people have become millionaires by playing the lottery, that investing all your money in lottery tickets is a good idea. Anecdotal evidence of scant successes is NO replacement for raw data. And I have laid this out before, but I will do it again anyways:

Given Quixtar's federally mandated disclosure of the average IBO's income, which is roughly $120 per month, it is mathematically impossible for there to simaltaneously to be some successes and for there to be a good chance that any individual will succeed. As I stated before, if 10% of IBOs were even making a minimum wage income, then the remaining 90% would be earning roughly $18 per month, which is far less than the amount that the average IBO spends on business related expenses.

Math is indisputable. Anecdotes are worthless.

This may be flogging a dead dog, but I had to chip my 2 cents in.

First off, let's establish some definitions:
"The Business" - In Quixtar lingo, "the business" refers to being a Quixtar-powered IBO.

"The IBO" - Independent Business Owner, formerly referred to as a distributor.

"The System" - usually refers to the motivational system (CDs, functions, books)

I don't know if my organization (LTD, led by Larry and Pam Winters) is unique or not, but our platinums and above (hosting the open meetings), have always made it clear that there is more than one way to make money with the business. The levels of income we show show income from "both streams", both from the products, and through the motivational system.

Also, someone commented earlier, that the money from the weekly open was going to the diamond. This is flatly wrong, unless the diamond is conducting his own opens. The $5 (average) cost for the open is usually collected by the platinum or higher hosting the open, and this pays for the hotel room where the meeting is held. If there is money left over, then yes, the hosting platinum gets it. People who are in the business of training others DO indeed receive money for helping them.

As an example, we plug into a crossline open on a weekly basis (since our upline is at some distance from us). I don't mind paying the speaker $5 for showing my prospects the plan (since he's better at it than I am). To top it off, I get the training I need in order to build my business.

My upline diamond, Doug Weir, made a CD for his group (not an actual LTD CD, but just one that went around our group) which outlined the money that could be made from the system. No one in their right mind disputes that yes, money can be made from sales of CDs, function tickets, bus tickets, books, even lit packs and the like. Even at full team functions (such as the Spring Leadership conference), the people selling CDs and items will get your upline platinum's name from you in order that they can receive proper credit and profit from your purchase.

Yes, only a few truly make it in this business, but I believe that is because only a few truly commit to it. This is not a "fake it until you make it" trip; it's a "take it on faith" trip. Commit to do the work, and the results will follow. If Greg and Jacquie Francis can go from 0 to diamond in just over 5 years, and we're hearing stories of people starting platinum qualification within a few months of signing up, then it's obvious that the business is working.

This may be flogging a dead dog, but I had to chip my 2 cents in.

First off, let's establish some definitions:
"The Business" - In Quixtar lingo, "the business" refers to being a Quixtar-powered IBO.

"The IBO" - Independent Business Owner, formerly referred to as a distributor.

"The System" - usually refers to the motivational system (CDs, functions, books)

I don't know if my organization (LTD, led by Larry and Pam Winters) is unique or not, but our platinums and above (hosting the open meetings), have always made it clear that there is more than one way to make money with the business. The levels of income we show show income from "both streams", both from the products, and through the motivational system.

Also, someone commented earlier, that the money from the weekly open was going to the diamond. This is flatly wrong, unless the diamond is conducting his own opens. The $5 (average) cost for the open is usually collected by the platinum or higher hosting the open, and this pays for the hotel room where the meeting is held. If there is money left over, then yes, the hosting platinum gets it. People who are in the business of training others DO indeed receive money for helping them.

As an example, we plug into a crossline open on a weekly basis (since our upline is at some distance from us). I don't mind paying the speaker $5 for showing my prospects the plan (since he's better at it than I am). To top it off, I get the training I need in order to build my business.

My upline diamond, Doug Weir, made a CD for his group (not an actual LTD CD, but just one that went around our group) which outlined the money that could be made from the system. No one in their right mind disputes that yes, money can be made from sales of CDs, function tickets, bus tickets, books, even lit packs and the like. Even at full team functions (such as the Spring Leadership conference), the people selling CDs and items will get your upline platinum's name from you in order that they can receive proper credit and profit from your purchase.

Yes, only a few truly make it in this business, but I believe that is because only a few truly commit to it. This is not a "fake it until you make it" trip; it's a "take it on faith" trip. Commit to do the work, and the results will follow. If Greg and Jacquie Francis can go from 0 to diamond in just over 5 years, and we're hearing stories of people starting platinum qualification within a few months of signing up, then it's obvious that the business is working.

This may be flogging a dead dog, but I had to chip my 2 cents in.

First off, let's establish some definitions:
"The Business" - In Quixtar lingo, "the business" refers to being a Quixtar-powered IBO.

"The IBO" - Independent Business Owner, formerly referred to as a distributor.

"The System" - usually refers to the motivational system (CDs, functions, books)

I don't know if my organization (LTD, led by Larry and Pam Winters) is unique or not, but our platinums and above (hosting the open meetings), have always made it clear that there is more than one way to make money with the business. The levels of income we show show income from "both streams", both from the products, and through the motivational system.

Also, someone commented earlier, that the money from the weekly open was going to the diamond. This is flatly wrong, unless the diamond is conducting his own opens. The $5 (average) cost for the open is usually collected by the platinum or higher hosting the open, and this pays for the hotel room where the meeting is held. If there is money left over, then yes, the hosting platinum gets it. People who are in the business of training others DO indeed receive money for helping them.

As an example, we plug into a crossline open on a weekly basis (since our upline is at some distance from us). I don't mind paying the speaker $5 for showing my prospects the plan (since he's better at it than I am). To top it off, I get the training I need in order to build my business.

My upline diamond, Doug Weir, made a CD for his group (not an actual LTD CD, but just one that went around our group) which outlined the money that could be made from the system. No one in their right mind disputes that yes, money can be made from sales of CDs, function tickets, bus tickets, books, even lit packs and the like. Even at full team functions (such as the Spring Leadership conference), the people selling CDs and items will get your upline platinum's name from you in order that they can receive proper credit and profit from your purchase.

Yes, only a few truly make it in this business, but I believe that is because only a few truly commit to it. This is not a "fake it until you make it" trip; it's a "take it on faith" trip. Commit to do the work, and the results will follow. If Greg and Jacquie Francis can go from 0 to diamond in just over 5 years, and we're hearing stories of people starting platinum qualification within a few months of signing up, then it's obvious that the business is working.

My wife and I were approached by a coworker of hers about starting 'the Business'.

We decided to walk away, but before making any decisions of your own, I will recomend some reading for you and anyone interesed in the true lies about "The Team/Quixtar" formerly, Amway.

I personally viewed the dateline NBC one year investigation on these businesses that you can watch if you go here: http://cpserverp4.com/bo/dateline_quixtar.wmv

Also, there is the link to the MSNBC where you can read about it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4375477/

Yes, you can buy products, over priced products, but you can buy them, and yes those people selling can make a little money, but so do the top dogs of the business. I would rather spend my money at the chain stores (which are cheaper anyways) and support the local high school kids and collage students working behind the counter, then a select group of people that run a business based on deceit.

If you decide to take the 20+ minutes and watch the video, one of the top guys states he got in volved for 5 reasons. Money, Money, Money, Money, Money.

Anyone ever heard this passage? The love of money is the root of all evil.

I am reading the responses from everybody about why Quixtar is such a scam and It's hilarious. I'm not an IBO nor am I interested at this time about becoming an IBO however I do know people who are involved and who have been successful.

Of course you have to put time and money into building your business...I don't believe there is such a thing as "getting rich quick" with these types of e-commerce things (if in fact that was what Quixtar was promising then I'd think it was a scam but it's not!)

Yes, you can purchase motivational tapes, books, etc...but that is not a "requirement" of being an IBO although it WILL help you grow....these motivational tools will not only benefit you for quixtar but for life in general. Next, how do you figure your getting scammed if all your doing is purchasing items online that you would typically purchase anyway (shampoo, detergent, vitamins, etc...). The prices aren't that much different and most of the products that quixtar offers (as well as their partner stores) are actually very good with the exception of a few, as with any store you'd go to. All I know is that I've been shopping online a lot more than usual lately and I am absolutely, positively certain that e-commerce is our future.

Lastly, the comment about "googling" quixtar and finding the negative things that are said....go ahead and google ANY business that exists today (dell, microsoft, disney, etc...) and you will find negative comments that are made. For every bad comment there is a good one however no one seems to mention the good...unfortunately that applys to everything in life though.

Overall, I just don't get how people can say that this business is a "scam"...i'll be honest, i'm not extremely motivated at this point of my life which is the only reason why I'm not actively involved in Quixtar. HOWEVER, I do see the whole picture and I have seen normal, everyday people build their business up (of course with time and effort). If it weren't for me watching people succeed as an IBO I may still be a skeptic and think that "only the top quixtar execs were making money from motivational items, seminars, and meetings".

If the business is not for you than fine but don't go around calling it a scam...that's just a very incorrect statement (and that is coming from a non IBO)

Darin,

I think you knew what you were getting at but typed it wrong.

The illegal operation is when your business depends on recruiting distributors instead of selling retail products, not the other way around.

A business who derives the majority of income from recruitment of new members is known as a pyramid and is illegal in the United States.


Quixtar actually bought Amway in 1999 and had some other obscure businesses at that time which made it a sale, and not just a name change. Amway was actually bankrupt and sold to the best of my recollection.

I do remember reading that 96% of Amway distributors lost money. Therefore, I see no better success rate with Quixtar. Same idiots and same products. Not marketable, and depends on recruitment of other distributors.

A scam no matter how you slice it.

I don't know if anyone has missed this little detail but no matter how you look at it Quixtar IS Amway. Amway for years has had their own line of proprietary products, meaning ONLY authorized distributors of amway products can sell their products. When we go to the quixtar website we see that there are products with the amway name on them. Quixtar is allegedly a "sister" company to Amway, When in all actually i believe they are all the same, considering in 1999 amway forced all their distributors to quixtar and (amway) is no longer accepting distributorship applications.

As far as it being a scam?? Minesota attorney general's office believes it is. There is also a law in minnesota that it seems no distributor in an IBO company has looked into. That law is the law Franchise or franchise fee law. It seems that most or all of the business structure on Amway/Quixtar distributorship is and should be considered a franchise and not a multi level marketing company. I am no attorney so the wording might just be a little off.

Another reason Quixtar is illegal in many states is b/c they focus making their money on products and not getting distributors.

Anyway thats my 2 cents. Quixtar will not see my name in any of their paperwork. (google quixtar and find numerous lawsuits against Quixtar, Amway and Alticor) Anyone else see a trend growing here?

Quixtar is in fact Amway's new post bankruptcy name for the internet. ( i smelled a dupe the first time i saw the quixtar stuff)


I do know of someone who became marginally successful in Amway however that was over 40 years ago just after amway's inception

John,

You are so full of it! Quixtar has only been around since 1999. So how have you been with them for 25 years?

You were most likely with Amway, who Quixtar owns.

That entire Amway thing is a total scam, and very few people have actually ever made money on it compared to the people who have been roped into it.

All of these MLM's are promoted on the "fake it till you make it" theory.

The fact is, MOST people will never break even, much less make money in an MLM.

Take your hype somewhere else.

I know it's been a while since someone posted any commemts on here, but since I recently went to a Quixtar meeting with some friends, I wanted to see if any negative info had been posted about this company. I really appreciate your input Timothy, regarding your firsthand experience with Quixtar.

After just 2 meetings, I began to get the jist of what this company is all about. The sad part about it is, my friends are wonderful people who have bought into this bogus money making scheme. Certainly, there ARE those people making money at this game, but I believe those are the execs who are marketing their motivational tapes, books, products that are sold at these meetings & that all memebers are encouraged to purchase, tickets for their expensive so called functions, & costs of weekly meetings. You are exactly correct in saying that there is very little money for the IBO to make in this hyped up get rich quick scheme. I could see it after 2 meetings. I just wish my friends would also see it. They work very hard, but are not anywhere near fulfilling the dream this company has offered them. In fact, I'm sure that they too, have lost money.

Paris, After reading your post, along with several others, I thought I would respond.

I went to a Quixtar meeting last week for the first time with a friend of mine & her husband who recently became IBO's in this business. I really enjoyed the meeting & everyone there was so friendly & welcomed me with open arms. I felt very exited about the possibility of being able to succeed in this business if I also became an IBO, so I decided to go to another meeting with my friends again. Just last night as a matter of fact.

I too had the thought that since I used certain products that I normally buy from Wal-Mart or Target anyway, I would just purchase them from myself so that I could make money off of myself if nothing else. Although you may get something back buying from yourself, it certainly can't be much at all.

Anyway, after attending both of those meetings, I have decided not to join up with Quixtar based on what I observed from this last meeting & on everything that I have read & heard about this company. I had been excited about promoting the products & building a clientel of customers, but the game appears to be all about how many people you can get signed up more than it is about the products or having customers.

The uplines really stressed reading & listening to motivational books & tapes which every IBO was encouraged to purchase. This can get very costly on top of paying a weekly fee to get into the meeting, purchasing function tickets to the tune of $95 each & bus tickets costing $120 each if you should decide to take a bus to the function. I'm not even sure if the $95.00 is just to get you into the function or if it covers your hotel accomodations.

Anyway, I don't see how there's really any money to be made in this business if you're spending all of your time & money on motivational books & tapes & very little time on advertising some of the actual line of products. I also agree with the person that posted a comment on here about being reluctant to get into a business that no one wants to tell you the name of. It's just too much of a risk in my opinion.

Paris, After reading your post, along with several others, I thought I would respond.

I went to a Quixtar meeting last week for the first time with a friend of mine & her husband who recently became IBO's in this business. I really enjoyed the meeting & everyone there was so friendly & welcomed me with open arms. I felt very exited about the possibility of being able to succeed in this business if I also became an IBO, so I decided to go to another meeting with my friends again. Just last night as a matter of fact.

I too had the thought that since I used certain products that I normally buy from Wal-Mart or Target anyway, I would just purchase them from myself so that I could make money off of myself if nothing else. Although you may get something back buying from yourself, it certainly can't be much at all.

Anyway, after attending both of those meetings, I have decided not to join up with Quixtar based on what I observed from this last meeting & on everything that I have read & heard about this company. I had been excited about promoting the products & building a clientel of customers, but the game appears to be all about how many people you can get signed up more than it is about the products or having customers.

The uplines really stressed reading & listening to motivational books & tapes which every IBO was encouraged to purchase. This can get very costly on top of paying a weekly fee to get into the meeting, purchasing function tickets to the tune of $95 each & bus tickets costing $120 each if you should decide to take a bus to the function. I'm not even sure if the $95.00 is just to get you into the function or if it covers your hotel accomodations.

Anyway, I don't see how there's really any money to be made in this business if you're spending all of your time & money on motivational books & tapes & very little time on advertising some of the actual line of products. I also agree with the person that posted a comment on here about being reluctant to get into a business that no one wants to tell you the name of. It's just too much of a risk in my opinion.

Paris, After reading your post, along with several others, I thought I would respond.

I went to a Quixtar meeting last week for the first time with a friend of mine & her husband who recently became IBO's in this business. I really enjoyed the meeting & everyone there was so friendly & welcomed me with open arms. I felt very exited about the possibility of being able to succeed in this business if I also became an IBO, so I decided to go to another meeting with my friends again. Just last night as a matter of fact.

I too had the thought that since I used certain products that I normally buy from Wal-Mart or Target anyway, I would just purchase them from myself so that I could make money off of myself if nothing else. Although you may get something back buying from yourself, it certainly can't be much at all.

Anyway, after attending both of those meetings, I have decided not to join up with Quixtar based on what I observed from this last meeting & on everything that I have read & heard about this company. I had been excited about promoting the products & building a clientel of customers, but the game appears to be all about how many people you can get signed up more than it is about the products or having customers.

The uplines really stressed reading & listening to motivational books & tapes which every IBO was encouraged to purchase. This can get very costly on top of paying a weekly fee to get into the meeting, purchasing function tickets to the tune of $95 each & bus tickets costing $120 each if you should decide to take a bus to the function. I'm not even sure if the $95.00 is just to get you into the function or if it covers your hotel accomodations.

Anyway, I don't see how there's really any money to be made in this business if you're spending all of your time & money on motivational books & tapes & very little time on advertising some of the actual line of products. I also agree with the person that posted a comment on here about being reluctant to get into a business that no one wants to tell you the name of. It's just too much of a risk in my opinion.

I've been at the Platinum level with Quixtar for 25+ years. This business has provided a substantial income and worked very well for me even though I have only given it sporadic part-time attention. I own several successful businesses and consider this business to be no different. There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about Quixtar. My experience is: it's a great part-time business, it's made me money, and the company has been very easy to deal with.

First, XS energy sales volume doesn't come close to Red Bull. The income generated (for Quixtar, not the IBOs) is comparable because XS, like most Quixtar products, is significantly more expensive than its retail counterparts.

Furthermore, if you could perform such an analysis, you would find that over 90% of XS sales are made to IBOs, not to outside end-consumers. I GUARANTEE YOU THAT.

Furthermore, XS IS sold in stores, even though it isn't supposed to be, as well as in every scam therapist's office.

Furthermore, the profit margin, at suggested retail, for a case of XS sold by an IBO is about 17.5% at an average PV/BV. Any competent retailer will tell you that 17.5% is ridiculously low, especially when the base price is $23.

And that doesn't even account for the fact that most XS is sold at below the suggested retail, knocking the actual profit margin down to about 8%, or roughly $3.00 per case. Subtract from that $3.00 the associated overhead and a reasonable value for your time, and you are LOSING MONEY! You'd be FAR better off flipping burgers at Wendy's.

"The point of this is fairness."

No, the point of this is to make you think that you have stumbled upon a very unique opportunity whereby YOU can actually compete with Wal-Mart, and make a decent living at it too.

But the only unique thing about this opportunity is that it DOESN"T WORK. The average IBO earns $115 per month. If some IBOs are making good money, then the vast majority are losing money. That's a mathematical certainty, unlike the sketchy PV/BV system.

And that $115 per month doesn't even account for:

- The $135 start-up fee
- The cost of weekly meetings and conventions
- The cost of bogus "motivational materials"
- The value of your time
- The decreased value of your money due to inflated Quixtar prices

Let's move on.

"Quixtar has just presented an amazing way for every person to benifit from the marketing money that in the traditinal models would go to executives and outsource marketing firms."

Actually, they didn't "just" present this. This scheme has been in operation for over 50 years. And you know what? In all that time, the ENTIRE MLM industry, in which Quixtar is but one organization, has failed to capture so much as a 1% market share.

The bottom line: people do not like to purchase products in the manner that you are selling them. People are QUITE happy with going to the store and having their products now. They do not want to order their products from a friend, pay inflated prices, and then wait a few days to receive their purchases.

"You're going to refer someone to this site to read your argument, yet this site will not be sending you or I a check"

Sure. But the difference is that I am not trying to make money here. So the fact that I won't make money doesn't really matter, does it?

"I don't think Barnes & Noble and Office Max or Circuit City or any of the other major partner stores would be in business with Quixtar if it wasn't credible."

And THAT'S why you are not cut out to be an "Independent Business Owner." Any one of those companies will allow any other outfit to market their products so long as it is profitable to do so. They don't care whether Quixtar IBOs are making any money! All they care about is that a few saps will buy their products to boost their PV/BV.

Listen, I HATE Quixtar. I think they are an ethically bankrupt company. But if I was trying to sell a product, you're d**n right I would let Quixtar sell it! And you know why? Because suckers like you will buy it just because your upline tells you to.

And THAT'S business.

And finally:

"You know what though, time will tell, and I guarntee millions more consumers will begin to get tired of just consuming and begin prosumming, despite what others may say."

How about what your own company says? How about the fact that Van Andel and DeVos were saying that same crap 50 years ago, but still haven't even captured a tiny fragment of the business volume of Wal-Mart?

People aren't going to change their buying habits, especially if it means paying more money to buy in an incredibly inconvenient manner. And most of us are smart enough to smell out a scam, and this whole "prosuming" thing is nothing but. It doesn't even make a lick of sense logically, economically, or otherwise.

And despite what your upline tells you, Quixtar products are way more expensive than retail counterparts, and the Quixtar purchasing method is far more time-consuming than driving to the store and doing it the old-fashioned way.

Not advertising exlusive products has nothing to do with secrecy. Would secrecy cause XS Energy drink to be the number 1 manufactured energy drink in the US and number 2 selling in the world, even though it's not on retail store shelves. The point of this is fairness. It put's the guy who owns a chain of retail stores, who can buy product and shove it on the shelves and the guy who is working two jobs to support his family on the same level playing field. Both have to work to move product. What company would not want their products to be marketed, that would be ridiculous. Quixtar has just presented an amazing way for every person to benifit from the marketing money that in the traditinal models would go to executives and outsource marketing firms. You're going to refer someone to this site to read your argument, yet this site will not be sending you or I a check. But the traffic has been moved, Quixtar simply has created a wonderful marketing strategy that beats out traditional pay and pray advertising. I don't think Barnes & Noble and Office Max or Circuit City or any of the other major partner stores would be in business with Quixtar if it wasn't credible. You know what though, time will tell, and I guarntee millions more consumers will begin to get tired of just consuming and begin prosumming, despite what others may say.

My opinion, as someone who has personal experience, as well as friends, family and acquantainces involved in the direct sales industry:

I currently sell Tupperware. My mom sells Mary Kay. I have friends who sell Avon, as well as many other companies I won't list here. In looking to supplement my income, I have looked into so many of these types of companies. There are many out there - Amway/Quixtar is just one among many - that claim they are NOT pyramid schemes when they are just barely outside that definition. As we all know - the difference between MLM and pyramid is having a product to sell. HOWEVER, if you are encouraged to only recruit, not sell, well what does it matter if you even have a product?

For example, WHY can't Quixtar IBOs advertise their products? How the hell are the supposed to sell them? Because they're not! It's not about the selling - it's about the "business building." Tupperware, Avon and Mary Kay all have models that allow you to earn money from your downline, but you can still earn money just from your sales. AND you are allowed to advertise!! DUH - a key part of sales. Take their example of Office Max, etc....Office Max does not make money by only selling to their warm market. I get ads for them in my newspaper all the time!

Secondly, with legitimate companies like TW, Avon and MK, you are obviously going to go to your friends and family first, but I will tell you, I'd rather have my friends and family as customers, than harrassing them to become a business partner. Quixtar/Amway has driven a wedge in so many relationships due to the pressure to recruit others into your business.

Of course I will definitely NOT promise anyone I recruit for TW that they will make thousands of dollars. It is nice to bring in a couple hundred extra dollars per month. Some make more, some less. But there is no pipe dream here. You make a certain percent on your sales, and a much smaller percent on your downlines' sales. It's very simple to do the math and see how much you need to sell to make your financial goals (did you see that? SELL) Now THAT is a business - nobody is pressured to do anything. AND no false promises are made. When I signed on for TW, I was told EXACTLY what my potential is. Like all companies, there are many in TW who are making a huge amount of money, but many more who are just supplementing their income, as well as those who make maybe $20 per month. And TW NEVER tries to make you think you can become wealthy with very little work.

Years ago, when I was 18 and very naive, I had a couple around my parents' age try to recruit me into Amway. The gave me a motivational tape, 'here this will tell you a little bit about what we do.' Well the tape didn't say much of anything. It was motivational, but in a very generic way. It didn't mention anything about a company or how to make money or product or ANYTHING other than, build your dreams, road to wealth, blah blah blah. Then I was invited to a meeting. WOW, it was in a very nice house. They tried to tell me they paid for this house because their Amway distributorship was so successful...upon later chit chat it became apparent that this house was the result of the husband being a lawyer. NOT from Amway.

So throughout the meeting they had many speakers who said inspirational and motivational things - but nobody ever said anything at all about what it was they were doing to make all this supposed money.

After the meeting was a gathering, where everyone came up to me and said how excited they were that I was going to be a part of this business, and how much I was going to love it. They were all dressed very nicely, and they all gave me business cards. The cards all said things like "Smith Enterprises" or "Jones Marketing" or "Mary Lou's Distribution." STILL no word on what exactly they were doing to make all this money.

After several days of this couple hounding me, calling me and asking me what I thought, inundating me with books and tapes and filling me with pipe dreams that I could make all this money, FINALLY they gave me a catalog and I realized it was Amway.

After reading through the materials and getting details that were so elusive before, I realized that they wanted me to pay something like $300 to join, and EVERYTHING talked about recruiting others into the business. Not much about the products other than how great they are and that I should use them. Not much about selling them to others. And if I remember correctly, the products were expensive.

So how can this NOT be a pyramid scheme if it encourages recruiting over selling? Oh, because the product EXISTS, that is enough. Regardless of whether or not anyone actually SELLS it. Or if they are allowed to advertise in order to GET any sales. Hell, I even wonder if they are allowed to TALK about the products, since nobody seemed to want to talk about them.

Back to my original point - TW, MK and Avon encourage you right off the bat to tell everyone you sell such and such product. And advertise! In these 3 companies, if you choose to build a downline, they will encourage you, but there is no pressure to do so.

I would be leary of any company that doesn't want to tell you their name up front, or tell you about the product, or make all these promises about how much money you can make without telling you how. Unless you know a zillion people who won't mind you pressuring them to join your cult, you can't make any money with Amway. I can only assume that Quixtar is the same way.

AND, if that couple with Amway were to approach me now, at this wiser age, I would have laughed them out the door.

By the way, I did ask that couple if I could purchase some of those supposedly wonderful cleaning products, but never got a reply. Apparently, if I didn't want to become an IBO, I was no longer worthy of their time.

My opinion, as someone who has personal experience, as well as friends, family and acquantainces involved in the direct sales industry:

I currently sell Tupperware. My mom sells Mary Kay. I have friends who sell Avon, as well as many other companies I won't list here. In looking to supplement my income, I have looked into so many of these types of companies. There are many out there - Amway/Quixtar is just one among many - that claim they are NOT pyramid schemes when they are just barely outside that definition. As we all know - the difference between MLM and pyramid is having a product to sell. HOWEVER, if you are encouraged to only recruit, not sell, well what does it matter if you even have a product?

For example, WHY can't Quixtar IBOs advertise their products? How the hell are the supposed to sell them? Because they're not! It's not about the selling - it's about the "business building." Tupperware, Avon and Mary Kay all have models that allow you to earn money from your downline, but you can still earn money just from your sales. AND you are allowed to advertise!! DUH - a key part of sales. Take their example of Office Max, etc....Office Max does not make money by only selling to their warm market. I get ads for them in my newspaper all the time!

Secondly, with legitimate companies like TW, Avon and MK, you are obviously going to go to your friends and family first, but I will tell you, I'd rather have my friends and family as customers, than harrassing them to become a business partner. Quixtar/Amway has driven a wedge in so many relationships due to the pressure to recruit others into your business.

Of course I will definitely NOT promise anyone I recruit for TW that they will make thousands of dollars. It is nice to bring in a couple hundred extra dollars per month. Some make more, some less. But there is no pipe dream here. You make a certain percent on your sales, and a much smaller percent on your downlines' sales. It's very simple to do the math and see how much you need to sell to make your financial goals (did you see that? SELL) Now THAT is a business - nobody is pressured to do anything. AND no false promises are made. When I signed on for TW, I was told EXACTLY what my potential is. Like all companies, there are many in TW who are making a huge amount of money, but many more who are just supplementing their income, as well as those who make maybe $20 per month. And TW NEVER tries to make you think you can become wealthy with very little work.

Years ago, when I was 18 and very naive, I had a couple around my parents' age try to recruit me into Amway. The gave me a motivational tape, 'here this will tell you a little bit about what we do.' Well the tape didn't say much of anything. It was motivational, but in a very generic way. It didn't mention anything about a company or how to make money or product or ANYTHING other than, build your dreams, road to wealth, blah blah blah. Then I was invited to a meeting. WOW, it was in a very nice house. They tried to tell me they paid for this house because their Amway distributorship was so successful...upon later chit chat it became apparent that this house was the result of the husband being a lawyer. NOT from Amway.

So throughout the meeting they had many speakers who said inspirational and motivational things - but nobody ever said anything at all about what it was they were doing to make all this supposed money.

After the meeting was a gathering, where everyone came up to me and said how excited they were that I was going to be a part of this business, and how much I was going to love it. They were all dressed very nicely, and they all gave me business cards. The cards all said things like "Smith Enterprises" or "Jones Marketing" or "Mary Lou's Distribution." STILL no word on what exactly they were doing to make all this money.

After several days of this couple hounding me, calling me and asking me what I thought, inundating me with books and tapes and filling me with pipe dreams that I could make all this money, FINALLY they gave me a catalog and I realized it was Amway.

After reading through the materials and getting details that were so elusive before, I realized that they wanted me to pay something like $300 to join, and EVERYTHING talked about recruiting others into the business. Not much about the products other than how great they are and that I should use them. Not much about selling them to others. And if I remember correctly, the products were expensive.

So how can this NOT be a pyramid scheme if it encourages recruiting over selling? Oh, because the product EXISTS, that is enough. Regardless of whether or not anyone actually SELLS it. Or if they are allowed to advertise in order to GET any sales. Hell, I even wonder if they are allowed to TALK about the products, since nobody seemed to want to talk about them.

Back to my original point - TW, MK and Avon encourage you right off the bat to tell everyone you sell such and such product. And advertise! In these 3 companies, if you choose to build a downline, they will encourage you, but there is no pressure to do so.

I would be leary of any company that doesn't want to tell you their name up front, or tell you about the product, or make all these promises about how much money you can make without telling you how. Unless you know a zillion people who won't mind you pressuring them to join your cult, you can't make any money with Amway. I can only assume that Quixtar is the same way.

AND, if that couple with Amway were to approach me now, at this wiser age, I would have laughed them out the door.

By the way, I did ask that couple if I could purchase some of those supposedly wonderful cleaning products, but never got a reply. Apparently, if I didn't want to become an IBO, I was no longer worthy of their time.

My opinion, as someone who has personal experience, as well as friends, family and acquantainces involved in the direct sales industry:

I currently sell Tupperware. My mom sells Mary Kay. I have friends who sell Avon, as well as many other companies I won't list here. In looking to supplement my income, I have looked into so many of these types of companies. There are many out there - Amway/Quixtar is just one among many - that claim they are NOT pyramid schemes when they are just barely outside that definition. As we all know - the difference between MLM and pyramid is having a product to sell. HOWEVER, if you are encouraged to only recruit, not sell, well what does it matter if you even have a product?

For example, WHY can't Quixtar IBOs advertise their products? How the hell are the supposed to sell them? Because they're not! It's not about the selling - it's about the "business building." Tupperware, Avon and Mary Kay all have models that allow you to earn money from your downline, but you can still earn money just from your sales. AND you are allowed to advertise!! DUH - a key part of sales. Take their example of Office Max, etc....Office Max does not make money by only selling to their warm market. I get ads for them in my newspaper all the time!

Secondly, with legitimate companies like TW, Avon and MK, you are obviously going to go to your friends and family first, but I will tell you, I'd rather have my friends and family as customers, than harrassing them to become a business partner. Quixtar/Amway has driven a wedge in so many relationships due to the pressure to recruit others into your business.

Of course I will definitely NOT promise anyone I recruit for TW that they will make thousands of dollars. It is nice to bring in a couple hundred extra dollars per month. Some make more, some less. But there is no pipe dream here. You make a certain percent on your sales, and a much smaller percent on your downlines' sales. It's very simple to do the math and see how much you need to sell to make your financial goals (did you see that? SELL) Now THAT is a business - nobody is pressured to do anything. AND no false promises are made. When I signed on for TW, I was told EXACTLY what my potential is. Like all companies, there are many in TW who are making a huge amount of money, but many more who are just supplementing their income, as well as those who make maybe $20 per month. And TW NEVER tries to make you think you can become wealthy with very little work.

Years ago, when I was 18 and very naive, I had a couple around my parents' age try to recruit me into Amway. The gave me a motivational tape, 'here this will tell you a little bit about what we do.' Well the tape didn't say much of anything. It was motivational, but in a very generic way. It didn't mention anything about a company or how to make money or product or ANYTHING other than, build your dreams, road to wealth, blah blah blah. Then I was invited to a meeting. WOW, it was in a very nice house. They tried to tell me they paid for this house because their Amway distributorship was so successful...upon later chit chat it became apparent that this house was the result of the husband being a lawyer. NOT from Amway.

So throughout the meeting they had many speakers who said inspirational and motivational things - but nobody ever said anything at all about what it was they were doing to make all this supposed money.

After the meeting was a gathering, where everyone came up to me and said how excited they were that I was going to be a part of this business, and how much I was going to love it. They were all dressed very nicely, and they all gave me business cards. The cards all said things like "Smith Enterprises" or "Jones Marketing" or "Mary Lou's Distribution." STILL no word on what exactly they were doing to make all this money.

After several days of this couple hounding me, calling me and asking me what I thought, inundating me with books and tapes and filling me with pipe dreams that I could make all this money, FINALLY they gave me a catalog and I realized it was Amway.

After reading through the materials and getting details that were so elusive before, I realized that they wanted me to pay something like $300 to join, and EVERYTHING talked about recruiting others into the business. Not much about the products other than how great they are and that I should use them. Not much about selling them to others. And if I remember correctly, the products were expensive.

So how can this NOT be a pyramid scheme if it encourages recruiting over selling? Oh, because the product EXISTS, that is enough. Regardless of whether or not anyone actually SELLS it. Or if they are allowed to advertise in order to GET any sales. Hell, I even wonder if they are allowed to TALK about the products, since nobody seemed to want to talk about them.

Back to my original point - TW, MK and Avon encourage you right off the bat to tell everyone you sell such and such product. And advertise! In these 3 companies, if you choose to build a downline, they will encourage you, but there is no pressure to do so.

I would be leary of any company that doesn't want to tell you their name up front, or tell you about the product, or make all these promises about how much money you can make without telling you how. Unless you know a zillion people who won't mind you pressuring them to join your cult, you can't make any money with Amway. I can only assume that Quixtar is the same way.

AND, if that couple with Amway were to approach me now, at this wiser age, I would have laughed them out the door.

By the way, I did ask that couple if I could purchase some of those supposedly wonderful cleaning products, but never got a reply. Apparently, if I didn't want to become an IBO, I was no longer worthy of their time.

My opinion, as someone who has personal experience, as well as friends, family and acquantainces involved in the direct sales industry:

I currently sell Tupperware. My mom sells Mary Kay. I have friends who sell Avon, as well as many other companies I won't list here. In looking to supplement my income, I have looked into so many of these types of companies. There are many out there - Amway/Quixtar is just one among many - that claim they are NOT pyramid schemes when they are just barely outside that definition. As we all know - the difference between MLM and pyramid is having a product to sell. HOWEVER, if you are encouraged to only recruit, not sell, well what does it matter if you even have a product?

For example, WHY can't Quixtar IBOs advertise their products? How the hell are the supposed to sell them? Because they're not! It's not about the selling - it's about the "business building." Tupperware, Avon and Mary Kay all have models that allow you to earn money from your downline, but you can still earn money just from your sales. AND you are allowed to advertise!! DUH - a key part of sales. Take their example of Office Max, etc....Office Max does not make money by only selling to their warm market. I get ads for them in my newspaper all the time!

Secondly, with legitimate companies like TW, Avon and MK, you are obviously going to go to your friends and family first, but I will tell you, I'd rather have my friends and family as customers, than harrassing them to become a business partner. Quixtar/Amway has driven a wedge in so many relationships due to the pressure to recruit others into your business.

Of course I will definitely NOT promise anyone I recruit for TW that they will make thousands of dollars. It is nice to bring in a couple hundred extra dollars per month. Some make more, some less. But there is no pipe dream here. You make a certain percent on your sales, and a much smaller percent on your downlines' sales. It's very simple to do the math and see how much you need to sell to make your financial goals (did you see that? SELL) Now THAT is a business - nobody is pressured to do anything. AND no false promises are made. When I signed on for TW, I was told EXACTLY what my potential is. Like all companies, there are many in TW who are making a huge amount of money, but many more who are just supplementing their income, as well as those who make maybe $20 per month. And TW NEVER tries to make you think you can become wealthy with very little work.

Years ago, when I was 18 and very naive, I had a couple around my parents' age try to recruit me into Amway. The gave me a motivational tape, 'here this will tell you a little bit about what we do.' Well the tape didn't say much of anything. It was motivational, but in a very generic way. It didn't mention anything about a company or how to make money or product or ANYTHING other than, build your dreams, road to wealth, blah blah blah. Then I was invited to a meeting. WOW, it was in a very nice house. They tried to tell me they paid for this house because their Amway distributorship was so successful...upon later chit chat it became apparent that this house was the result of the husband being a lawyer. NOT from Amway.

So throughout the meeting they had many speakers who said inspirational and motivational things - but nobody ever said anything at all about what it was they were doing to make all this supposed money.

After the meeting was a gathering, where everyone came up to me and said how excited they were that I was going to be a part of this business, and how much I was going to love it. They were all dressed very nicely, and they all gave me business cards. The cards all said things like "Smith Enterprises" or "Jones Marketing" or "Mary Lou's Distribution." STILL no word on what exactly they were doing to make all this money.

After several days of this couple hounding me, calling me and asking me what I thought, inundating me with books and tapes and filling me with pipe dreams that I could make all this money, FINALLY they gave me a catalog and I realized it was Amway.

After reading through the materials and getting details that were so elusive before, I realized that they wanted me to pay something like $300 to join, and EVERYTHING talked about recruiting others into the business. Not much about the products other than how great they are and that I should use them. Not much about selling them to others. And if I remember correctly, the products were expensive.

So how can this NOT be a pyramid scheme if it encourages recruiting over selling? Oh, because the product EXISTS, that is enough. Regardless of whether or not anyone actually SELLS it. Or if they are allowed to advertise in order to GET any sales. Hell, I even wonder if they are allowed to TALK about the products, since nobody seemed to want to talk about them.

Back to my original point - TW, MK and Avon encourage you right off the bat to tell everyone you sell such and such product. And advertise! In these 3 companies, if you choose to build a downline, they will encourage you, but there is no pressure to do so.

I would be leary of any company that doesn't want to tell you their name up front, or tell you about the product, or make all these promises about how much money you can make without telling you how. Unless you know a zillion people who won't mind you pressuring them to join your cult, you can't make any money with Amway. I can only assume that Quixtar is the same way.

AND, if that couple with Amway were to approach me now, at this wiser age, I would have laughed them out the door.

By the way, I did ask that couple if I could purchase some of those supposedly wonderful cleaning products, but never got a reply. Apparently, if I didn't want to become an IBO, I was no longer worthy of their time.

Anyone ever heard of Circuit City, Barnes and Noble, Bass Pro Shops. Do those names sound familiar, how about Office Max, or the Nascar store. Ringing any bells. Bottom line is this is a check or no check argument. With my involvement in this business the worst that could happen to me is I could save money 100% of the time I shop at one of the many credible partner stores we have. Or earn promotions at my day job and surpass the other individuals in corporate America through the personal development of the "tools" my business support team provides for me.No one is talking about about the millions of dollars spent on music albums that teach young men and women to degrade themselves. That's just entertainment yet people are criticized when they invest in their personal development. Quixtar is no scam, or scheme. It is a strategic company that is creating and inspiring the currency of the future. The average employee in coperate world makes no where near the owner of whatever company they work for and has no possible chance to either. At least in this business, everyone who starts begins in the same place whether you are a millionaire or a in debt, you have the open opportunity to create a future for your family. I am disgusted with our microwave expectations today, since when did two years of owning your own business become a long time. There have been traditional business owners who pay the price for 5-20 years before they see a profit, but when they see the profit, no one sees all the hell, ridicule and doubt people with no plan, no goals, and no patience have taken them through. People only see the sudden sucess (no such thing as sudden success). If I did the worse I could, I'd still be getting a check each month when I buy from myself. How many checks has Wal-mart given you unless you work there. I could make $5 dollars a month and that'd still be more than Wal-mart or K-mart will ever cut a check out to me for. I'M GOING TO BUY THESE THINGS ANY WAY, WHY NOT GET A CHECK FOR IT AND HELP OTHERS DO THE SAME. I've got news for you, you didn't sign up for Quixtar, you opened your own business, you make it happen, every other business owner had to.

I would like to take the time, since I did to read all that, to back the ones who support Quixtar. I see all the different views here and wonder why I even attempt to stand up in Cyber space for some thing that needs not to be stood up for. I'll try not to Regurgitate for all those who claim we just puke up junk. If that's your argument then you need to become dumb and never speak a word about anything again.

If you have read all of the other praises then I will not waste your time with mine. In short "It works," you know why...because I have made it work. Because of the "Products" this opportunity has given me access to over a million of them and if I don't have to walk out my door to go to get them, then that leaves me more time to walk out the door with my beautiful girl and two puppy dogs to play in the park. And if I have to pay a little bit more to have them delivered directly to my door, then that's ok with me too because More Time, It's a beautiful thingOk back to what I had to sayBecause of this business I have been able to connect with some major companies and build profit centers for my IBO's. And when I say profit center I mean making over "115 dollars per month. Out of that my down line makes the money. They introduced me; I make the deal, and then set the person up as a distributor, because after all they are the ones who connected me. They make the profit off of the product and in turn we both get bumped up the scale percentage wise. They also make a percentage back off of that entire product moved according to the bonus chart. 3%-25% depending on volume moved. Think of it as a commission for performing. Then if they make it up to 25% they get a 4% override off of the volume, a bonus of $1000 and after 3 months a bonus of $2500, recognition and it keeps going from there. The only way I benefit from them is that my business volume gets moved up the scale on which I make no money back unless I purchase products myself which most of the time is just stuff for around the house or consumable goods, nothing extra. Then I make a percentage back off of only what I buy. Once I make it to 25% I am rewarded for helping them in the same way as stated above. So in other words I make people money before I make money myself. I'm not sure how that is a scam? If you still think it is, I suggest you go to your local Car Dealership and ask the salesman how he gets paid and if he makes any money off of you and if he is rewarded for selling more cars in bonusesI think what happens is that people get involved then don't take the time to learn. Because it's all right there on the website in plain English or Spanish. Running a Business is not for Employees.

Anytime you move anything that has a $ amount on it, YOU have just given someone profit. Doesn't matter how cheap, they made money off of YOU. YOU pay for their employees, lawsuits, electric bill. Do I need to go on? So YOU better go tell Wal-Mart or any other business YOU walk in to, that YOU want everything at cost. See what they tell YOU. Also for those people who say it's too expensive then you need to keep spending your gas money going and keep spending your time shopping at Wal-Mart. I don't think Macy's, Van Muar or Prada really care that their prices are a 300% mark-up if not morewhy because there are always people who will buy their stuff. Our products range from toilet paper to cars. Where else can you find that in one place?

Another thought: Ask your boss who makes the money for the company you work for. Apparently it isn't you because you're just their puppet or so stated above: Their ROBOT. They just throw you a bone to keep you happy while they get fatterbut you don't complain about that?

Our Business: Performance Rewards You do something good, you get a reward.
PV % of BV
7500 + 25%
6000 23%
4000 21%
2500 18%
1500 15%
1000 12%
600 9%
300 6%
100 3%

Every product has a Point Value which also carries a Business Value For every dollar you spend you are rewarded points. The higher you get up the point scale the more you get back on what you spend. You get higher on the point scale by buying products for yourself in which you can resell or just use for yourself, or create members and clients who use the products but do not get a rebate but still their points count towards your business. (Best Buy does this with their Reward Zone Card. The only thing is you can only get certificates to go back to Best Buy, Not Money. So that makes Best Buy a scam? My bank wants me to refer people to them so that I can get a $25 reward per person, is that a scam too?) Another way is to set up Independent Business Owner who then repeats what you do. These are people who want to build a business. It does me no good to sign people up who do nothing. (I leave those people alone so that they can't complain how hard it is because just like anything else it's not easy.) The IBO gets paid back also on what they buy. Since you set them up in business their PV/BV also runs up through your business helping you move up the scale. The scale resets every month back to 0 so everyone starts at the same level every month. When you start helping people get where they want to go you in turn are rewarded and it helps you get to where you want to go. Once you have taught people how to move products, in which you move products everyday just someone else's, you teach them to teach other's how do create a business. That gives you time to start second and even third legs as we call them. Now here's where Pyramid falls off the charts. Any one of the IBO's in my legs can make more money than me. It's just a matter of how hard they want to work. I make more money than many of my up line people and just because I work harder and make retail plus a percentage off of all of the product I move.

My business wants success minded people, not people who give in because they spent all their money on cigarettes and beer and like giving all their money to Sam Walton or Ray Crock. This business is built for people who have a drive to not give in because of "Mr./Ms. Dream Stealers," who have stated so above in another statement. It makes me disappointed that people who have a beef with something that gives someone, like my self, who is willing to "take it and make it" (AND FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO TAKE OTHER PEOPLES WORDS AND CHANGE THEM INTO SOMETHING FANCY TO POKE FUN DON'T EVEN BOTHER), a chance to create a "legitimate" income above that of what I would ever make with a job or a college degree (of which I don't have but some how own 2 successful business. I wonder how that happened?...maybe hard work and being honest with people and building relationships, exactly what they teach you to do in Quixtar, of which has helped better my first and second traditional businesses.) You know why that is, it's because of the CD's and books that have been provided to me of which I chose to purchase, all on my own. I was never forced, it was just recommended. Just like your doctor recommends that you quit blaming your faults on everyone else on the planet. I started with $0 dollars and made it. What is your excuse?

I'll leave you with this:
Quote from DJ MecanX (that's me) "Learn to except your failures and do something about them, if you don't like them. Otherwise, you surely will be consumed with blaming it on someone else."

P.S. If the guy who submitted this report is making 75K but can't take the time to check his spelling then, I'm going to be a multi-billionaire.

P.S.S. As for the title of this complaint: Be Aware. 70+k salary would be darn tough without doing some underhanded and dishonest. I hate to burst this guys bubble but that type of money is made easily every day without being dishonest or underhanded. That statement shows paranoia and distrust of any thing out there that is a legitimate money making opportunity. And I think he meant to say something and not Some.

P.S.S.S. The stock market? How many people loss their money and large sums of it everyday in the stock market but yet he's willing to do that vs. this? I knew a guy who was worth millions in the stock markets and now worth, oh a jobCome on people use your headsit's called common sense which apparently a lot of people lack.

I would like to take the time, since I did to read all that, to back the ones who support Quixtar. I see all the different views here and wonder why I even attempt to stand up in Cyber space for some thing that needs not to be stood up for. I'll try not to Regurgitate for all those who claim we just puke up junk. If that's your argument then you need to become dumb and never speak a word about anything again.

If you have read all of the other praises then I will not waste your time with mine. In short "It works," you know why...because I have made it work. Because of the "Products" this opportunity has given me access to over a million of them and if I don't have to walk out my door to go to get them, then that leaves me more time to walk out the door with my beautiful girl and two puppy dogs to play in the park. And if I have to pay a little bit more to have them delivered directly to my door, then that's ok with me too because More Time, It's a beautiful thingOk back to what I had to sayBecause of this business I have been able to connect with some major companies and build profit centers for my IBO's. And when I say profit center I mean making over "115 dollars per month. Out of that my down line makes the money. They introduced me; I make the deal, and then set the person up as a distributor, because after all they are the ones who connected me. They make the profit off of the product and in turn we both get bumped up the scale percentage wise. They also make a percentage back off of that entire product moved according to the bonus chart. 3%-25% depending on volume moved. Think of it as a commission for performing. Then if they make it up to 25% they get a 4% override off of the volume, a bonus of $1000 and after 3 months a bonus of $2500, recognition and it keeps going from there. The only way I benefit from them is that my business volume gets moved up the scale on which I make no money back unless I purchase products myself which most of the time is just stuff for around the house or consumable goods, nothing extra. Then I make a percentage back off of only what I buy. Once I make it to 25% I am rewarded for helping them in the same way as stated above. So in other words I make people money before I make money myself. I'm not sure how that is a scam? If you still think it is, I suggest you go to your local Car Dealership and ask the salesman how he gets paid and if he makes any money off of you and if he is rewarded for selling more cars in bonusesI think what happens is that people get involved then don't take the time to learn. Because it's all right there on the website in plain English or Spanish. Running a Business is not for Employees.

Anytime you move anything that has a $ amount on it, YOU have just given someone profit. Doesn't matter how cheap, they made money off of YOU. YOU pay for their employees, lawsuits, electric bill. Do I need to go on? So YOU better go tell Wal-Mart or any other business YOU walk in to, that YOU want everything at cost. See what they tell YOU. Also for those people who say it's too expensive then you need to keep spending your gas money going and keep spending your time shopping at Wal-Mart. I don't think Macy's, Van Muar or Prada really care that their prices are a 300% mark-up if not morewhy because there are always people who will buy their stuff. Our products range from toilet paper to cars. Where else can you find that in one place?

Another thought: Ask your boss who makes the money for the company you work for. Apparently it isn't you because you're just their puppet or so stated above: Their ROBOT. They just throw you a bone to keep you happy while they get fatterbut you don't complain about that?

Our Business: Performance Rewards You do something good, you get a reward.
PV % of BV
7500 + 25%
6000 23%
4000 21%
2500 18%
1500 15%
1000 12%
600 9%
300 6%
100 3%

Every product has a Point Value which also carries a Business Value For every dollar you spend you are rewarded points. The higher you get up the point scale the more you get back on what you spend. You get higher on the point scale by buying products for yourself in which you can resell or just use for yourself, or create members and clients who use the products but do not get a rebate but still their points count towards your business. (Best Buy does this with their Reward Zone Card. The only thing is you can only get certificates to go back to Best Buy, Not Money. So that makes Best Buy a scam? My bank wants me to refer people to them so that I can get a $25 reward per person, is that a scam too?) Another way is to set up Independent Business Owner who then repeats what you do. These are people who want to build a business. It does me no good to sign people up who do nothing. (I leave those people alone so that they can't complain how hard it is because just like anything else it's not easy.) The IBO gets paid back also on what they buy. Since you set them up in business their PV/BV also runs up through your business helping you move up the scale. The scale resets every month back to 0 so everyone starts at the same level every month. When you start helping people get where they want to go you in turn are rewarded and it helps you get to where you want to go. Once you have taught people how to move products, in which you move products everyday just someone else's, you teach them to teach other's how do create a business. That gives you time to start second and even third legs as we call them. Now here's where Pyramid falls off the charts. Any one of the IBO's in my legs can make more money than me. It's just a matter of how hard they want to work. I make more money than many of my up line people and just because I work harder and make retail plus a percentage off of all of the product I move.

My business wants success minded people, not people who give in because they spent all their money on cigarettes and beer and like giving all their money to Sam Walton or Ray Crock. This business is built for people who have a drive to not give in because of "Mr./Ms. Dream Stealers," who have stated so above in another statement. It makes me disappointed that people who have a beef with something that gives someone, like my self, who is willing to "take it and make it" (AND FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO TAKE OTHER PEOPLES WORDS AND CHANGE THEM INTO SOMETHING FANCY TO POKE FUN DON'T EVEN BOTHER), a chance to create a "legitimate" income above that of what I would ever make with a job or a college degree (of which I don't have but some how own 2 successful business. I wonder how that happened?...maybe hard work and being honest with people and building relationships, exactly what they teach you to do in Quixtar, of which has helped better my first and second traditional businesses.) You know why that is, it's because of the CD's and books that have been provided to me of which I chose to purchase, all on my own. I was never forced, it was just recommended. Just like your doctor recommends that you quit blaming your faults on everyone else on the planet. I started with $0 dollars and made it. What is your excuse?

I'll leave you with this:
Quote from DJ MecanX (that's me) "Learn to except your failures and do something about them, if you don't like them. Otherwise, you surely will be consumed with blaming it on someone else."

P.S. If the guy who submitted this report is making 75K but can't take the time to check his spelling then, I'm going to be a multi-billionaire.

P.S.S. As for the title of this complaint: Be Aware. 70+k salary would be darn tough without doing some underhanded and dishonest. I hate to burst this guys bubble but that type of money is made easily every day without being dishonest or underhanded. That statement shows paranoia and distrust of any thing out there that is a legitimate money making opportunity. And I think he meant to say something and not Some.

P.S.S.S. The stock market? How many people loss their money and large sums of it everyday in the stock market but yet he's willing to do that vs. this? I knew a guy who was worth millions in the stock markets and now worth, oh a jobCome on people use your headsit's called common sense which apparently a lot of people lack.

I would like to take the time, since I did to read all that, to back the ones who support Quixtar. I see all the different views here and wonder why I even attempt to stand up in Cyber space for some thing that needs not to be stood up for. I'll try not to Regurgitate for all those who claim we just puke up junk. If that's your argument then you need to become dumb and never speak a word about anything again.

If you have read all of the other praises then I will not waste your time with mine. In short "It works," you know why...because I have made it work. Because of the "Products" this opportunity has given me access to over a million of them and if I don't have to walk out my door to go to get them, then that leaves me more time to walk out the door with my beautiful girl and two puppy dogs to play in the park. And if I have to pay a little bit more to have them delivered directly to my door, then that's ok with me too because More Time, It's a beautiful thingOk back to what I had to sayBecause of this business I have been able to connect with some major companies and build profit centers for my IBO's. And when I say profit center I mean making over "115 dollars per month. Out of that my down line makes the money. They introduced me; I make the deal, and then set the person up as a distributor, because after all they are the ones who connected me. They make the profit off of the product and in turn we both get bumped up the scale percentage wise. They also make a percentage back off of that entire product moved according to the bonus chart. 3%-25% depending on volume moved. Think of it as a commission for performing. Then if they make it up to 25% they get a 4% override off of the volume, a bonus of $1000 and after 3 months a bonus of $2500, recognition and it keeps going from there. The only way I benefit from them is that my business volume gets moved up the scale on which I make no money back unless I purchase products myself which most of the time is just stuff for around the house or consumable goods, nothing extra. Then I make a percentage back off of only what I buy. Once I make it to 25% I am rewarded for helping them in the same way as stated above. So in other words I make people money before I make money myself. I'm not sure how that is a scam? If you still think it is, I suggest you go to your local Car Dealership and ask the salesman how he gets paid and if he makes any money off of you and if he is rewarded for selling more cars in bonusesI think what happens is that people get involved then don't take the time to learn. Because it's all right there on the website in plain English or Spanish. Running a Business is not for Employees.

Anytime you move anything that has a $ amount on it, YOU have just given someone profit. Doesn't matter how cheap, they made money off of YOU. YOU pay for their employees, lawsuits, electric bill. Do I need to go on? So YOU better go tell Wal-Mart or any other business YOU walk in to, that YOU want everything at cost. See what they tell YOU. Also for those people who say it's too expensive then you need to keep spending your gas money going and keep spending your time shopping at Wal-Mart. I don't think Macy's, Van Muar or Prada really care that their prices are a 300% mark-up if not morewhy because there are always people who will buy their stuff. Our products range from toilet paper to cars. Where else can you find that in one place?

Another thought: Ask your boss who makes the money for the company you work for. Apparently it isn't you because you're just their puppet or so stated above: Their ROBOT. They just throw you a bone to keep you happy while they get fatterbut you don't complain about that?

Our Business: Performance Rewards You do something good, you get a reward.
PV % of BV
7500 + 25%
6000 23%
4000 21%
2500 18%
1500 15%
1000 12%
600 9%
300 6%
100 3%

Every product has a Point Value which also carries a Business Value For every dollar you spend you are rewarded points. The higher you get up the point scale the more you get back on what you spend. You get higher on the point scale by buying products for yourself in which you can resell or just use for yourself, or create members and clients who use the products but do not get a rebate but still their points count towards your business. (Best Buy does this with their Reward Zone Card. The only thing is you can only get certificates to go back to Best Buy, Not Money. So that makes Best Buy a scam? My bank wants me to refer people to them so that I can get a $25 reward per person, is that a scam too?) Another way is to set up Independent Business Owner who then repeats what you do. These are people who want to build a business. It does me no good to sign people up who do nothing. (I leave those people alone so that they can't complain how hard it is because just like anything else it's not easy.) The IBO gets paid back also on what they buy. Since you set them up in business their PV/BV also runs up through your business helping you move up the scale. The scale resets every month back to 0 so everyone starts at the same level every month. When you start helping people get where they want to go you in turn are rewarded and it helps you get to where you want to go. Once you have taught people how to move products, in which you move products everyday just someone else's, you teach them to teach other's how do create a business. That gives you time to start second and even third legs as we call them. Now here's where Pyramid falls off the charts. Any one of the IBO's in my legs can make more money than me. It's just a matter of how hard they want to work. I make more money than many of my up line people and just because I work harder and make retail plus a percentage off of all of the product I move.

My business wants success minded people, not people who give in because they spent all their money on cigarettes and beer and like giving all their money to Sam Walton or Ray Crock. This business is built for people who have a drive to not give in because of "Mr./Ms. Dream Stealers," who have stated so above in another statement. It makes me disappointed that people who have a beef with something that gives someone, like my self, who is willing to "take it and make it" (AND FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO TAKE OTHER PEOPLES WORDS AND CHANGE THEM INTO SOMETHING FANCY TO POKE FUN DON'T EVEN BOTHER), a chance to create a "legitimate" income above that of what I would ever make with a job or a college degree (of which I don't have but some how own 2 successful business. I wonder how that happened?...maybe hard work and being honest with people and building relationships, exactly what they teach you to do in Quixtar, of which has helped better my first and second traditional businesses.) You know why that is, it's because of the CD's and books that have been provided to me of which I chose to purchase, all on my own. I was never forced, it was just recommended. Just like your doctor recommends that you quit blaming your faults on everyone else on the planet. I started with $0 dollars and made it. What is your excuse?

I'll leave you with this:
Quote from DJ MecanX (that's me) "Learn to except your failures and do something about them, if you don't like them. Otherwise, you surely will be consumed with blaming it on someone else."

P.S. If the guy who submitted this report is making 75K but can't take the time to check his spelling then, I'm going to be a multi-billionaire.

P.S.S. As for the title of this complaint: Be Aware. 70+k salary would be darn tough without doing some underhanded and dishonest. I hate to burst this guys bubble but that type of money is made easily every day without being dishonest or underhanded. That statement shows paranoia and distrust of any thing out there that is a legitimate money making opportunity. And I think he meant to say something and not Some.

P.S.S.S. The stock market? How many people loss their money and large sums of it everyday in the stock market but yet he's willing to do that vs. this? I knew a guy who was worth millions in the stock markets and now worth, oh a jobCome on people use your headsit's called common sense which apparently a lot of people lack.

I would like to take the time, since I did to read all that, to back the ones who support Quixtar. I see all the different views here and wonder why I even attempt to stand up in Cyber space for some thing that needs not to be stood up for. I'll try not to Regurgitate for all those who claim we just puke up junk. If that's your argument then you need to become dumb and never speak a word about anything again.

If you have read all of the other praises then I will not waste your time with mine. In short "It works," you know why...because I have made it work. Because of the "Products" this opportunity has given me access to over a million of them and if I don't have to walk out my door to go to get them, then that leaves me more time to walk out the door with my beautiful girl and two puppy dogs to play in the park. And if I have to pay a little bit more to have them delivered directly to my door, then that's ok with me too because More Time, It's a beautiful thingOk back to what I had to sayBecause of this business I have been able to connect with some major companies and build profit centers for my IBO's. And when I say profit center I mean making over "115 dollars per month. Out of that my down line makes the money. They introduced me; I make the deal, and then set the person up as a distributor, because after all they are the ones who connected me. They make the profit off of the product and in turn we both get bumped up the scale percentage wise. They also make a percentage back off of that entire product moved according to the bonus chart. 3%-25% depending on volume moved. Think of it as a commission for performing. Then if they make it up to 25% they get a 4% override off of the volume, a bonus of $1000 and after 3 months a bonus of $2500, recognition and it keeps going from there. The only way I benefit from them is that my business volume gets moved up the scale on which I make no money back unless I purchase products myself which most of the time is just stuff for around the house or consumable goods, nothing extra. Then I make a percentage back off of only what I buy. Once I make it to 25% I am rewarded for helping them in the same way as stated above. So in other words I make people money before I make money myself. I'm not sure how that is a scam? If you still think it is, I suggest you go to your local Car Dealership and ask the salesman how he gets paid and if he makes any money off of you and if he is rewarded for selling more cars in bonusesI think what happens is that people get involved then don't take the time to learn. Because it's all right there on the website in plain English or Spanish. Running a Business is not for Employees.

Anytime you move anything that has a $ amount on it, YOU have just given someone profit. Doesn't matter how cheap, they made money off of YOU. YOU pay for their employees, lawsuits, electric bill. Do I need to go on? So YOU better go tell Wal-Mart or any other business YOU walk in to, that YOU want everything at cost. See what they tell YOU. Also for those people who say it's too expensive then you need to keep spending your gas money going and keep spending your time shopping at Wal-Mart. I don't think Macy's, Van Muar or Prada really care that their prices are a 300% mark-up if not morewhy because there are always people who will buy their stuff. Our products range from toilet paper to cars. Where else can you find that in one place?

Another thought: Ask your boss who makes the money for the company you work for. Apparently it isn't you because you're just their puppet or so stated above: Their ROBOT. They just throw you a bone to keep you happy while they get fatterbut you don't complain about that?

Our Business: Performance Rewards You do something good, you get a reward.
PV % of BV
7500 + 25%
6000 23%
4000 21%
2500 18%
1500 15%
1000 12%
600 9%
300 6%
100 3%

Every product has a Point Value which also carries a Business Value For every dollar you spend you are rewarded points. The higher you get up the point scale the more you get back on what you spend. You get higher on the point scale by buying products for yourself in which you can resell or just use for yourself, or create members and clients who use the products but do not get a rebate but still their points count towards your business. (Best Buy does this with their Reward Zone Card. The only thing is you can only get certificates to go back to Best Buy, Not Money. So that makes Best Buy a scam? My bank wants me to refer people to them so that I can get a $25 reward per person, is that a scam too?) Another way is to set up Independent Business Owner who then repeats what you do. These are people who want to build a business. It does me no good to sign people up who do nothing. (I leave those people alone so that they can't complain how hard it is because just like anything else it's not easy.) The IBO gets paid back also on what they buy. Since you set them up in business their PV/BV also runs up through your business helping you move up the scale. The scale resets every month back to 0 so everyone starts at the same level every month. When you start helping people get where they want to go you in turn are rewarded and it helps you get to where you want to go. Once you have taught people how to move products, in which you move products everyday just someone else's, you teach them to teach other's how do create a business. That gives you time to start second and even third legs as we call them. Now here's where Pyramid falls off the charts. Any one of the IBO's in my legs can make more money than me. It's just a matter of how hard they want to work. I make more money than many of my up line people and just because I work harder and make retail plus a percentage off of all of the product I move.

My business wants success minded people, not people who give in because they spent all their money on cigarettes and beer and like giving all their money to Sam Walton or Ray Crock. This business is built for people who have a drive to not give in because of "Mr./Ms. Dream Stealers," who have stated so above in another statement. It makes me disappointed that people who have a beef with something that gives someone, like my self, who is willing to "take it and make it" (AND FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO TAKE OTHER PEOPLES WORDS AND CHANGE THEM INTO SOMETHING FANCY TO POKE FUN DON'T EVEN BOTHER), a chance to create a "legitimate" income above that of what I would ever make with a job or a college degree (of which I don't have but some how own 2 successful business. I wonder how that happened?...maybe hard work and being honest with people and building relationships, exactly what they teach you to do in Quixtar, of which has helped better my first and second traditional businesses.) You know why that is, it's because of the CD's and books that have been provided to me of which I chose to purchase, all on my own. I was never forced, it was just recommended. Just like your doctor recommends that you quit blaming your faults on everyone else on the planet. I started with $0 dollars and made it. What is your excuse?

I'll leave you with this:
Quote from DJ MecanX (that's me) "Learn to except your failures and do something about them, if you don't like them. Otherwise, you surely will be consumed with blaming it on someone else."

P.S. If the guy who submitted this report is making 75K but can't take the time to check his spelling then, I'm going to be a multi-billionaire.

P.S.S. As for the title of this complaint: Be Aware. 70+k salary would be darn tough without doing some underhanded and dishonest. I hate to burst this guys bubble but that type of money is made easily every day without being dishonest or underhanded. That statement shows paranoia and distrust of any thing out there that is a legitimate money making opportunity. And I think he meant to say something and not Some.

P.S.S.S. The stock market? How many people loss their money and large sums of it everyday in the stock market but yet he's willing to do that vs. this? I knew a guy who was worth millions in the stock markets and now worth, oh a jobCome on people use your headsit's called common sense which apparently a lot of people lack.

Well one person wrote that Amway changed the name to Quixtar because of negative association with the old brand. It had nothing to do with that at all. I grew up a few minutes from Amway/Quixtar. The children of the founders split up the business into logical segments to manage. Quixtar, Business Access Group, Amway, and there's a forth I can't remember right now(something to do with the computer side of the business). I've worked there and can say we produce and ship a lot of goods...somebody has to be selling it! No one forces you to sell, it's a choice. If you don't like to do what it takes to sell, maybe you should admit you made a bad choice. People make decisions based on promises, don't whine when you can't make it work for yourself.

I signed up for Quixtar but found the products way OVERPRICED.

I feel I've been around the block a few times, even joined a MLM called Quorum because I was impressed with their PRODUCT, not too impressed with their PLAN. I will say that Amway/Quixtar is not for anyone that truly wants happiness and success in life. Now why do I say that? Because:

#1 - MLMs are mathmaticly set up for the top people to suceed on the expected failure of others. In order to have 1000 people to have success, it must be repeated by over 1,000,000 people, in order for those million to repeat that success, then you need to have 1,000,000,0000 people. The original people that started the MLM are ultimatly the only ones who consistant profit from the system. NO ONE ELSE will reach their level because NO ONE ELSE CAN.

#2 - If there is money to be made in retailing the products, why don't I know anyone that uses them? And of the people that work the Amway/Quixtar system, why won't they admit it up front? Why can't IBO's advertise or use other marketing tools to sell PRODUCT? Seems less and less that this is a business you own, rather a system you work and It works you.

#3 - The problems with Amway/Quixtar are not with the products, it is with the System, and the Individuals that manipulate that system. The problem I had with Qurorum is the same problem I have with all MLMs, the pushing of a system, rather than the selling of a product. The side effect of selling the system is that is does move product, and those motivated to be their own best customers would take it even further.

It has been postulated that 'why would circut city and AT&T and Company XYZ align it self with Amway/Quixtar?' Why? Because It is just another conduit to market and sell PRODUCT, and Amway is a multi-billon operation, which means they move PRODUCT, Its doesn't mean that those companies endorse Amway/Quixtar, just that they recognize that the Amway/Quixtar operation moves PRODUCTS, which means more money to those companies bottom line, the don't care who is buying, as long as it is bought.

All the support materials and meetings, which statisticly and mathmaticly are the real money makers in Amway/Quixtar, are also the root of its 'evil'. Even one of the founders of Amway/Quixtar admits he makes most of his money off of marketing materials ('tools'). The Dateline story brought more to light than they wanted. He put out a tape that basicly said "If Asked if this is Amway/Quixtar, say YES, don't hide behing and organizational name" (a big problem I have with IBO's), He also said that "You CANNOT Require the people you sponsor to buy tapes and other Tools, AS WELL AS, you CANNOT deny the required assistance you are obligated by your IBO contract to provide to the people you sponsor" and the thing he stated that made the most sense of all: "We MUST return to what originally made this company what it is: the direct RETAILING OF OUR PRODUCTS" (quotes are paraphrased from memory)
He also went on to state how individuals and 'organizational legs' are not following the system in a moral way...DUH!

I've been adverse to Amway since an Uncle did a pitch about it on the eve of my grandpa (his father) funeral. I do grow weary of people that look not to build a real personal relationship with people, but look for another 'business partner' just to disconnect when that people is not a part of 'their' system. I can tell from a mile away when folks have drank that mlm koolade, be it pre-paid legal, amway, herbalife (please don't get me started on that!), 'coached to riches' ads on TV.......The true spirit of entrepurnial capitalism is DOING IT YOURSELF, creating the product or service, or method of delivering same, your self, taking the rish, investing the captial, and learning from your mistakes, but knowing where you started, and having the excitment of creating the light at the end of that tunnel ( i hate that analogy, I like creating the air in the sky in which your wings will be filled... :) ) Any way, If you are sucessful in Amway/Quixtar, Kudos to you, you will be investing lots of time and energy to maintain it, and leading many others to failure (It can't be helped, it's built in to the system) to make that little bit more for you....

Luvs and God Bless

You all don't just get it. First of all, quixtar is NOT for everyone. Well, duh. You want to learn a language, why would you choose Italian over Chinese? Because Chinese is not for you. And also, does it mean just because someone you know has tried to learn Italian and they were unable too, that you yourself could not?

Second of all, is this business of your money being ripped off. First of all, nobody is FORCED to go on Standing order or whatever. You are strongly advised to do so, and there is actually a pretty good reason if you think about it. If you want to learn Italian, you get textbooks and audio tapes to help you. If you want to get a beach body, you go the gym, get the appropriate shoes for running, eat the appropriate nutritional supplements etc. If you want help in growing your IBO business you get the appropriate tools and talk to the right people. This is NOTHING new, that happens EVERYWHERE in life. Now sure, some people don't want to go to meetings on a Friday night, or they don't want to spend money on CDs. That's fine, it's just about what you're willing to do. Some aren't willing to do that. You are an independent BUSINESS owner. Business owners invest to start up their businesses.

On statistics, "only 115" includes a LARGE contingent of IBOs that actually do nothing, and earn nothing. If you are a computer scientist, and teh average income in your industry is 40 K a year, and only 5% make 500,000 K or more, are you not going to try and make more than 40 K just because the statistics tell you that there is a certain average earning amount? Don't answer that. It's a rhetorical question.

Also, this business of a pyramid. For one, pyramids They are illegal in the USA. In fact, ask yourself why Bill Gates, IBM, the head of the US Chamber of commerce would be dealing with something illegal. Think about that for a little bit. You can make more money than the person that sponsors you, nobody stops that from happening.

Then there are the uplines, and the visible growth that I SEE. I have seen that it works. That is why I am stressing that you must make a distinction between doesn't work FOR ME and doesn't work at all. Very large difference.

You don't get anything for free. It was made clear to me at the beginning that this is NOT a get-rich quick scheme, and that it would take some work. I just do not understand why Quixtar/Alticor bashers are so bent out of shape with the you have to BUY stuff' thing. Well, yeah! If you want to buy a hamburger because you are hungry, you BUY it. Somebody makes money. If you want to watch a movie because you are bored, you PAY for the ticket. Somebody makes money. So now you are shocked because you have to buy a few CDs and a book a month? So that, combined with the fact that I have SEEN people grow from point A to B, and that already in the first month I've moved up the ladder, I'm in.

Oh, and before you say, "you're just regurgitating information from meetings", that can go towards the 'but-we-watched-dateline' camp. The disciples regurtitated. Coaches regurgitate. Which is fine, if you are not doing so in mindless fashion.

I want to emphasize that my point is this:

There is a lot of misrepresentation. It is not for everyone, and may not be WHAT YOU WANT. But don't make the mistake of assuming just because you do not, or do not wish to do it, then it is so for the entire population.

You all don't just get it. First of all, quixtar is NOT for everyone. Well, duh. You want to learn a language, why would you choose Italian over Chinese? Because Chinese is not for you. And also, does it mean just because someone you know has tried to learn Italian and they were unable too, that you yourself could not?

Second of all, is this business of your money being ripped off. First of all, nobody is FORCED to go on Standing order or whatever. You are strongly advised to do so, and there is actually a pretty good reason if you think about it. If you want to learn Italian, you get textbooks and audio tapes to help you. If you want to get a beach body, you go the gym, get the appropriate shoes for running, eat the appropriate nutritional supplements etc. If you want help in growing your IBO business you get the appropriate tools and talk to the right people. This is NOTHING new, that happens EVERYWHERE in life. Now sure, some people don't want to go to meetings on a Friday night, or they don't want to spend money on CDs. That's fine, it's just about what you're willing to do. Some aren't willing to do that. You are an independent BUSINESS owner. Business owners invest to start up their businesses.

On statistics, "only 115" includes a LARGE contingent of IBOs that actually do nothing, and earn nothing. If you are a computer scientist, and teh average income in your industry is 40 K a year, and only 5% make 500,000 K or more, are you not going to try and make more than 40 K just because the statistics tell you that there is a certain average earning amount? Don't answer that. It's a rhetorical question.

Also, this business of a pyramid. For one, pyramids They are illegal in the USA. In fact, ask yourself why Bill Gates, IBM, the head of the US Chamber of commerce would be dealing with something illegal. Think about that for a little bit. You can make more money than the person that sponsors you, nobody stops that from happening.

Then there are the uplines, and the visible growth that I SEE. I have seen that it works. That is why I am stressing that you must make a distinction between doesn't work FOR ME and doesn't work at all. Very large difference.

You don't get anything for free. It was made clear to me at the beginning that this is NOT a get-rich quick scheme, and that it would take some work. I just do not understand why Quixtar/Alticor bashers are so bent out of shape with the you have to BUY stuff' thing. Well, yeah! If you want to buy a hamburger because you are hungry, you BUY it. Somebody makes money. If you want to watch a movie because you are bored, you PAY for the ticket. Somebody makes money. So now you are shocked because you have to buy a few CDs and a book a month? So that, combined with the fact that I have SEEN people grow from point A to B, and that already in the first month I've moved up the ladder, I'm in.

Oh, and before you say, "you're just regurgitating information from meetings", that can go towards the 'but-we-watched-dateline' camp. The disciples regurtitated. Coaches regurgitate. Which is fine, if you are not doing so in mindless fashion.

I want to emphasize that my point is this:

There is a lot of misrepresentation. It is not for everyone, and may not be WHAT YOU WANT. But don't make the mistake of assuming just because you do not, or do not wish to do it, then it is so for the entire population.

You all don't just get it. First of all, quixtar is NOT for everyone. Well, duh. You want to learn a language, why would you choose Italian over Chinese? Because Chinese is not for you. And also, does it mean just because someone you know has tried to learn Italian and they were unable too, that you yourself could not?

Second of all, is this business of your money being ripped off. First of all, nobody is FORCED to go on Standing order or whatever. You are strongly advised to do so, and there is actually a pretty good reason if you think about it. If you want to learn Italian, you get textbooks and audio tapes to help you. If you want to get a beach body, you go the gym, get the appropriate shoes for running, eat the appropriate nutritional supplements etc. If you want help in growing your IBO business you get the appropriate tools and talk to the right people. This is NOTHING new, that happens EVERYWHERE in life. Now sure, some people don't want to go to meetings on a Friday night, or they don't want to spend money on CDs. That's fine, it's just about what you're willing to do. Some aren't willing to do that. You are an independent BUSINESS owner. Business owners invest to start up their businesses.

On statistics, "only 115" includes a LARGE contingent of IBOs that actually do nothing, and earn nothing. If you are a computer scientist, and teh average income in your industry is 40 K a year, and only 5% make 500,000 K or more, are you not going to try and make more than 40 K just because the statistics tell you that there is a certain average earning amount? Don't answer that. It's a rhetorical question.

Also, this business of a pyramid. For one, pyramids They are illegal in the USA. In fact, ask yourself why Bill Gates, IBM, the head of the US Chamber of commerce would be dealing with something illegal. Think about that for a little bit. You can make more money than the person that sponsors you, nobody stops that from happening.

Then there are the uplines, and the visible growth that I SEE. I have seen that it works. That is why I am stressing that you must make a distinction between doesn't work FOR ME and doesn't work at all. Very large difference.

You don't get anything for free. It was made clear to me at the beginning that this is NOT a get-rich quick scheme, and that it would take some work. I just do not understand why Quixtar/Alticor bashers are so bent out of shape with the you have to BUY stuff' thing. Well, yeah! If you want to buy a hamburger because you are hungry, you BUY it. Somebody makes money. If you want to watch a movie because you are bored, you PAY for the ticket. Somebody makes money. So now you are shocked because you have to buy a few CDs and a book a month? So that, combined with the fact that I have SEEN people grow from point A to B, and that already in the first month I've moved up the ladder, I'm in.

Oh, and before you say, "you're just regurgitating information from meetings", that can go towards the 'but-we-watched-dateline' camp. The disciples regurtitated. Coaches regurgitate. Which is fine, if you are not doing so in mindless fashion.

I want to emphasize that my point is this:

There is a lot of misrepresentation. It is not for everyone, and may not be WHAT YOU WANT. But don't make the mistake of assuming just because you do not, or do not wish to do it, then it is so for the entire population.

You all don't just get it. First of all, quixtar is NOT for everyone. Well, duh. You want to learn a language, why would you choose Italian over Chinese? Because Chinese is not for you. And also, does it mean just because someone you know has tried to learn Italian and they were unable too, that you yourself could not?

Second of all, is this business of your money being ripped off. First of all, nobody is FORCED to go on Standing order or whatever. You are strongly advised to do so, and there is actually a pretty good reason if you think about it. If you want to learn Italian, you get textbooks and audio tapes to help you. If you want to get a beach body, you go the gym, get the appropriate shoes for running, eat the appropriate nutritional supplements etc. If you want help in growing your IBO business you get the appropriate tools and talk to the right people. This is NOTHING new, that happens EVERYWHERE in life. Now sure, some people don't want to go to meetings on a Friday night, or they don't want to spend money on CDs. That's fine, it's just about what you're willing to do. Some aren't willing to do that. You are an independent BUSINESS owner. Business owners invest to start up their businesses.

On statistics, "only 115" includes a LARGE contingent of IBOs that actually do nothing, and earn nothing. If you are a computer scientist, and teh average income in your industry is 40 K a year, and only 5% make 500,000 K or more, are you not going to try and make more than 40 K just because the statistics tell you that there is a certain average earning amount? Don't answer that. It's a rhetorical question.

Also, this business of a pyramid. For one, pyramids They are illegal in the USA. In fact, ask yourself why Bill Gates, IBM, the head of the US Chamber of commerce would be dealing with something illegal. Think about that for a little bit. You can make more money than the person that sponsors you, nobody stops that from happening.

Then there are the uplines, and the visible growth that I SEE. I have seen that it works. That is why I am stressing that you must make a distinction between doesn't work FOR ME and doesn't work at all. Very large difference.

You don't get anything for free. It was made clear to me at the beginning that this is NOT a get-rich quick scheme, and that it would take some work. I just do not understand why Quixtar/Alticor bashers are so bent out of shape with the you have to BUY stuff' thing. Well, yeah! If you want to buy a hamburger because you are hungry, you BUY it. Somebody makes money. If you want to watch a movie because you are bored, you PAY for the ticket. Somebody makes money. So now you are shocked because you have to buy a few CDs and a book a month? So that, combined with the fact that I have SEEN people grow from point A to B, and that already in the first month I've moved up the ladder, I'm in.

Oh, and before you say, "you're just regurgitating information from meetings", that can go towards the 'but-we-watched-dateline' camp. The disciples regurtitated. Coaches regurgitate. Which is fine, if you are not doing so in mindless fashion.

I want to emphasize that my point is this:

There is a lot of misrepresentation. It is not for everyone, and may not be WHAT YOU WANT. But don't make the mistake of assuming just because you do not, or do not wish to do it, then it is so for the entire population.

You're absolutely right in that Quixtar is not a get-rich-quick scheme. In fact, for the VAST majority of IBOs (about 99.99%) it's a get-rich-never scheme.

The average IBO earns $110 per month ($1320 per year). If so many as 1% of IBOs were earning at least $100,000 per year, the remaining 99% would only average about 27$ per month. If so much as 10% of IBOs were even making a minimum wage income, the remaining 90% would average about $18 per month. With this low average income, most IBOs spend far more per month on tools, conferences, etc., then they will ever earn.

Call me a dream stealer (it's been done before), but these numbers make my stomach turn. Do the math, with Quixtar's own numbers, and you can see what a shoddy deal this is.

Not to mention that their products are grossly overpriced, or that the "tools" are full of some of the worst business advice ever conceived of.

Stay away from Quixtar or, believe me, you'll regret it.

I cannot say I'm an employee because I don't work in Quixtar, but I WAS an ex-IBO (Independent Business Owner). Quixtar is NOT a "get-rich-quick" scheme. One has to work for "his" business in order to get paid. As an IBO, you are working for yourself, but NOT by yourself, because you have all these weekly meetings, conferences, tapes, and books to help you succeed in your business. You will have time freedom doing this business because you are "your own boss" and no one dictates you what to do. The financial freedom comes when you have successfully applied what was taught to you by your upline support team.

There are meetings that you can attend for FREE. My husband and I have attended such weekly meetings. The books that they recommend, you don't necessarily buy from them. If you are a member of a book club, you can purchase the recommended books from your book club at a discounted price, just like I did. For the tapes, you only buy what you think you need and NOT every single tape that they offer you. Or you can share/borrow some with a friend or family member, just like what I did. All this extra business that you do (from transportation to any expenses related to the business), you can include it in your income tax forms.

I continue to use some of Quixtar's products, especially laundry products because I have tested their efficiency.

The only thing that I did not like about Quixtar is, you cannot advertise it, either online or offline. You cannot use mailing lists or you cannot advertise it in newspapers, card decks or magazines. You have to talk to the the people you want to sponsor face-to-face by doing presentations. You have to approach your "warm market", who basically are skeptical on what you're doing because they want you to have a "traditional job". And like a traditional job, you have to work your way up; same with Quixtar and any other Internet home-based businesses out there. Just like I said, Quixtar and all these Internet-based home businesses are NOT for individuals who want to "get rich" quick. You have to work it to reap its benefits for you (and your family).

I am an IBO and I stumbled onto this website because of a link I found when searching on another website. I found this report and so I'm throwing my two cents in.

First of all, the person who sponsored me has never put off any hard questions I have given him, so I find it frustrating to hear of IBOs who DO get evasive easily. I'll give you some of the answers I got to some questions similar to what has been referenced here:

Is this Amway?:
Yes and no. The structure, the levels, the people all came directly from Amway when the switch was made on September 1, 1999 from Amway to Quixtar in North America. However, the switch was not made to hide the Amway name or deceive people; in fact, it wasn't even the company's idea. One of the big names in Amway, Bill Britt, brought the concept of Quixtar to them, but they didn't like it (they were doing great already, why change?). The sons of founders' Rich DeVos and Jay Van Andel, Doug Devos and Steve Van Andel, decided they believed it would be a good step for the company and said if the company would make the transition, they would head it up. Also, Amway distributors who come back as IBOs today after years out of the business barely recognize it. Our highest selling and biggest profit item, XS energy drink, has only been with us for 2 years. Circuit City, Office Max, and many other big name companies we work with weren't with us in the Amway days. The paperwork and payment of bonus checks and picking up of products used to be a major hassle and is now completely automated (I don't touch it or deal with it or think about it). I'll leave this issue and move on, since I hope I have made some sort of point by now.

The average Quixtar IBO only makes $1400 per year.:
That's absolutely true! Now, let's clear up what "average" is (Quixtar actually uses the term "active"). If an IBO bought anything or registered anyone in a year, he/she/they are "active". I have several people in my group, both personally sponsored by me and sponspored by others in my group, who signed up and got a few starter items, then did NOTHING. Guess what? They are "active". Guess what else? Them signing up did nothing good for me other than give me a measly amount of volume for those initial items they chose to buy. I would rather they had gotten their money back than stayed signed up but done nothing, not even referred people either to me to talk to or to the website to buy things.

The big guys make money off of tools.:
Yes, they do. My sponsor is at a level right now where he makes a dollar off of every cd myself and my downline purchases. Guess what? He has also loaned out countless cd's for me that I did not buy and he did not get back. One reason for that dollar compensation is precisely to help them recover some loss from loaned out, unreturned cd's.

As for books, I've always been charged the value listed on the cover of the book. If they've negotiated bulk rates and make a little money there, it doesn't matter to me, because I am still paying the same price that I would pay in any book store (and yes, most of the books recommended to me are books I would've bought anyway).

Not all of the money for the weekly meetings goes to the diamond in charge of it. I doubt the hotels we meet in let us use their meeting rooms free out of the goodness of their hearts.
Quarterly functions: The money goes to many different people, most of whom are SPEAKERS at the function. It sure makes sense to me that someone who doesn't have to be there but is there and teaches me how to be better at what I do should get paid for his/her/their time.
Oh yeah, and all that information was freely offered to me by my sponsor without me even asking!!!!!

Regurgitating what we've been taught.:
Ok, I'll make an analogy now that hopefully will make sense. When I went to kindergarden for the first time, I wasn't told to question everything I was taught. I was told to learn what the teacher told me. All the way through school into college I was basically told to take what the teachers taught as fact. I was even made to regurgitate it in the form of papers, quizzes, and exams. If I didn't regurgitate it well enough, that indicated my lack of desire to learn the material, and I was punished with bad grades. Now, somewhere along the way, we all learned that we CAN question what we are taught. We also learned that most of what we are taught was taught by those more knowledgeable on the subject than us and, in general, much of the information was true. It is the same in our business. I take in as much as I can, filter it through what I believe, ask questions if I don't understand, and retain it. Now, here is a key difference that I feel is worth pointing out. My sponsor and everyone else in my upline prospers if I prosper. How quickly do you think they want me to succeed and prosper? How likely are they to give me bad information that may harm my ability to succeed? Going back to my school analogy, how much more of that erroneous information I may have been taught in school would have been filtered out if every one of my teachers' salaries were determined by my financial success in life? Enough said.

Is Quixtar a cult/do you have to believe as they believe?
NO! The reason people think that is because most people have a problem with mixing business and faith or religion, while we see the two as intertwined. I have certain beliefs, and to turn off those beliefs when I am doing business is an insult to the God in whom I have put my faith. Yes, most of the people who you hear speak do believe in God. If they do believe that way, they do speak about His importance in their lives. Not all of them believe in the same thing. There is a large Christian contigent and there is a large Hindu contigent. Also, there are many other religious beliefs represented, and none is made to feel as though they cannot succeed in Quixtar without believing a certain way. Unfortunately, faith-filled words and speeches that include the words God, prayer, faith, and belief when talking about business are seen as cultlike for whatever reason.

Lastly, do so few people really make it big?
It is true, only a select few really make some good money in Quixtar. Who selects them? They select themselves. When someone has a burning desire for something that is stronger than their fear of changing their lives to truly, wholeheartedly commit to this, they succeed! I have personally seen a couple reach the "platinum" level, where they make $2500-5000 a month, in seven months! Why? They had a baby on the way and she was a full-time elementary school teacher. Their desire to allow her to leave her job to raise their baby fueled their burn. I've personally seen another couple do the same thing in nine months. He was a airplane mechanic working in Minnesota while his wife and kids lived in Georgia. He lost his job a few months in, but his desire to get things done now so he could stay in Georgia with his family fueled his passion. So why don't more people succeed? I DON'T KNOW, but I can tell you for sure it is not because they can't.

I hope I was able to cover most of the challenges to the Quixtar business and helped some people understand why we do what we do. I hope, also, that you can see that, although there are some who mislead and lie, that is not a universal thing, nor is it even something seen in the majority of IBOs. I hope I have shown you that we are truthful and honest. You can get any other information you wish to about Quixtar from their site, www.quixtar.com. Look at the bottom right hand of the home page. Thanks for your time!

I am an IBO and I stumbled onto this website because of a link I found when searching on another website. I found this report and so I'm throwing my two cents in.

First of all, the person who sponsored me has never put off any hard questions I have given him, so I find it frustrating to hear of IBOs who DO get evasive easily. I'll give you some of the answers I got to some questions similar to what has been referenced here:

Is this Amway?:
Yes and no. The structure, the levels, the people all came directly from Amway when the switch was made on September 1, 1999 from Amway to Quixtar in North America. However, the switch was not made to hide the Amway name or deceive people; in fact, it wasn't even the company's idea. One of the big names in Amway, Bill Britt, brought the concept of Quixtar to them, but they didn't like it (they were doing great already, why change?). The sons of founders' Rich DeVos and Jay Van Andel, Doug Devos and Steve Van Andel, decided they believed it would be a good step for the company and said if the company would make the transition, they would head it up. Also, Amway distributors who come back as IBOs today after years out of the business barely recognize it. Our highest selling and biggest profit item, XS energy drink, has only been with us for 2 years. Circuit City, Office Max, and many other big name companies we work with weren't with us in the Amway days. The paperwork and payment of bonus checks and picking up of products used to be a major hassle and is now completely automated (I don't touch it or deal with it or think about it). I'll leave this issue and move on, since I hope I have made some sort of point by now.

The average Quixtar IBO only makes $1400 per year.:
That's absolutely true! Now, let's clear up what "average" is (Quixtar actually uses the term "active"). If an IBO bought anything or registered anyone in a year, he/she/they are "active". I have several people in my group, both personally sponsored by me and sponspored by others in my group, who signed up and got a few starter items, then did NOTHING. Guess what? They are "active". Guess what else? Them signing up did nothing good for me other than give me a measly amount of volume for those initial items they chose to buy. I would rather they had gotten their money back than stayed signed up but done nothing, not even referred people either to me to talk to or to the website to buy things.

The big guys make money off of tools.:
Yes, they do. My sponsor is at a level right now where he makes a dollar off of every cd myself and my downline purchases. Guess what? He has also loaned out countless cd's for me that I did not buy and he did not get back. One reason for that dollar compensation is precisely to help them recover some loss from loaned out, unreturned cd's.

As for books, I've always been charged the value listed on the cover of the book. If they've negotiated bulk rates and make a little money there, it doesn't matter to me, because I am still paying the same price that I would pay in any book store (and yes, most of the books recommended to me are books I would've bought anyway).

Not all of the money for the weekly meetings goes to the diamond in charge of it. I doubt the hotels we meet in let us use their meeting rooms free out of the goodness of their hearts.
Quarterly functions: The money goes to many different people, most of whom are SPEAKERS at the function. It sure makes sense to me that someone who doesn't have to be there but is there and teaches me how to be better at what I do should get paid for his/her/their time.
Oh yeah, and all that information was freely offered to me by my sponsor without me even asking!!!!!

Regurgitating what we've been taught.:
Ok, I'll make an analogy now that hopefully will make sense. When I went to kindergarden for the first time, I wasn't told to question everything I was taught. I was told to learn what the teacher told me. All the way through school into college I was basically told to take what the teachers taught as fact. I was even made to regurgitate it in the form of papers, quizzes, and exams. If I didn't regurgitate it well enough, that indicated my lack of desire to learn the material, and I was punished with bad grades. Now, somewhere along the way, we all learned that we CAN question what we are taught. We also learned that most of what we are taught was taught by those more knowledgeable on the subject than us and, in general, much of the information was true. It is the same in our business. I take in as much as I can, filter it through what I believe, ask questions if I don't understand, and retain it. Now, here is a key difference that I feel is worth pointing out. My sponsor and everyone else in my upline prospers if I prosper. How quickly do you think they want me to succeed and prosper? How likely are they to give me bad information that may harm my ability to succeed? Going back to my school analogy, how much more of that erroneous information I may have been taught in school would have been filtered out if every one of my teachers' salaries were determined by my financial success in life? Enough said.

Is Quixtar a cult/do you have to believe as they believe?
NO! The reason people think that is because most people have a problem with mixing business and faith or religion, while we see the two as intertwined. I have certain beliefs, and to turn off those beliefs when I am doing business is an insult to the God in whom I have put my faith. Yes, most of the people who you hear speak do believe in God. If they do believe that way, they do speak about His importance in their lives. Not all of them believe in the same thing. There is a large Christian contigent and there is a large Hindu contigent. Also, there are many other religious beliefs represented, and none is made to feel as though they cannot succeed in Quixtar without believing a certain way. Unfortunately, faith-filled words and speeches that include the words God, prayer, faith, and belief when talking about business are seen as cultlike for whatever reason.

Lastly, do so few people really make it big?
It is true, only a select few really make some good money in Quixtar. Who selects them? They select themselves. When someone has a burning desire for something that is stronger than their fear of changing their lives to truly, wholeheartedly commit to this, they succeed! I have personally seen a couple reach the "platinum" level, where they make $2500-5000 a month, in seven months! Why? They had a baby on the way and she was a full-time elementary school teacher. Their desire to allow her to leave her job to raise their baby fueled their burn. I've personally seen another couple do the same thing in nine months. He was a airplane mechanic working in Minnesota while his wife and kids lived in Georgia. He lost his job a few months in, but his desire to get things done now so he could stay in Georgia with his family fueled his passion. So why don't more people succeed? I DON'T KNOW, but I can tell you for sure it is not because they can't.

I hope I was able to cover most of the challenges to the Quixtar business and helped some people understand why we do what we do. I hope, also, that you can see that, although there are some who mislead and lie, that is not a universal thing, nor is it even something seen in the majority of IBOs. I hope I have shown you that we are truthful and honest. You can get any other information you wish to about Quixtar from their site, www.quixtar.com. Look at the bottom right hand of the home page. Thanks for your time!

I am an IBO and I stumbled onto this website because of a link I found when searching on another website. I found this report and so I'm throwing my two cents in.

First of all, the person who sponsored me has never put off any hard questions I have given him, so I find it frustrating to hear of IBOs who DO get evasive easily. I'll give you some of the answers I got to some questions similar to what has been referenced here:

Is this Amway?:
Yes and no. The structure, the levels, the people all came directly from Amway when the switch was made on September 1, 1999 from Amway to Quixtar in North America. However, the switch was not made to hide the Amway name or deceive people; in fact, it wasn't even the company's idea. One of the big names in Amway, Bill Britt, brought the concept of Quixtar to them, but they didn't like it (they were doing great already, why change?). The sons of founders' Rich DeVos and Jay Van Andel, Doug Devos and Steve Van Andel, decided they believed it would be a good step for the company and said if the company would make the transition, they would head it up. Also, Amway distributors who come back as IBOs today after years out of the business barely recognize it. Our highest selling and biggest profit item, XS energy drink, has only been with us for 2 years. Circuit City, Office Max, and many other big name companies we work with weren't with us in the Amway days. The paperwork and payment of bonus checks and picking up of products used to be a major hassle and is now completely automated (I don't touch it or deal with it or think about it). I'll leave this issue and move on, since I hope I have made some sort of point by now.

The average Quixtar IBO only makes $1400 per year.:
That's absolutely true! Now, let's clear up what "average" is (Quixtar actually uses the term "active"). If an IBO bought anything or registered anyone in a year, he/she/they are "active". I have several people in my group, both personally sponsored by me and sponspored by others in my group, who signed up and got a few starter items, then did NOTHING. Guess what? They are "active". Guess what else? Them signing up did nothing good for me other than give me a measly amount of volume for those initial items they chose to buy. I would rather they had gotten their money back than stayed signed up but done nothing, not even referred people either to me to talk to or to the website to buy things.

The big guys make money off of tools.:
Yes, they do. My sponsor is at a level right now where he makes a dollar off of every cd myself and my downline purchases. Guess what? He has also loaned out countless cd's for me that I did not buy and he did not get back. One reason for that dollar compensation is precisely to help them recover some loss from loaned out, unreturned cd's.

As for books, I've always been charged the value listed on the cover of the book. If they've negotiated bulk rates and make a little money there, it doesn't matter to me, because I am still paying the same price that I would pay in any book store (and yes, most of the books recommended to me are books I would've bought anyway).

Not all of the money for the weekly meetings goes to the diamond in charge of it. I doubt the hotels we meet in let us use their meeting rooms free out of the goodness of their hearts.
Quarterly functions: The money goes to many different people, most of whom are SPEAKERS at the function. It sure makes sense to me that someone who doesn't have to be there but is there and teaches me how to be better at what I do should get paid for his/her/their time.
Oh yeah, and all that information was freely offered to me by my sponsor without me even asking!!!!!

Regurgitating what we've been taught.:
Ok, I'll make an analogy now that hopefully will make sense. When I went to kindergarden for the first time, I wasn't told to question everything I was taught. I was told to learn what the teacher told me. All the way through school into college I was basically told to take what the teachers taught as fact. I was even made to regurgitate it in the form of papers, quizzes, and exams. If I didn't regurgitate it well enough, that indicated my lack of desire to learn the material, and I was punished with bad grades. Now, somewhere along the way, we all learned that we CAN question what we are taught. We also learned that most of what we are taught was taught by those more knowledgeable on the subject than us and, in general, much of the information was true. It is the same in our business. I take in as much as I can, filter it through what I believe, ask questions if I don't understand, and retain it. Now, here is a key difference that I feel is worth pointing out. My sponsor and everyone else in my upline prospers if I prosper. How quickly do you think they want me to succeed and prosper? How likely are they to give me bad information that may harm my ability to succeed? Going back to my school analogy, how much more of that erroneous information I may have been taught in school would have been filtered out if every one of my teachers' salaries were determined by my financial success in life? Enough said.

Is Quixtar a cult/do you have to believe as they believe?
NO! The reason people think that is because most people have a problem with mixing business and faith or religion, while we see the two as intertwined. I have certain beliefs, and to turn off those beliefs when I am doing business is an insult to the God in whom I have put my faith. Yes, most of the people who you hear speak do believe in God. If they do believe that way, they do speak about His importance in their lives. Not all of them believe in the same thing. There is a large Christian contigent and there is a large Hindu contigent. Also, there are many other religious beliefs represented, and none is made to feel as though they cannot succeed in Quixtar without believing a certain way. Unfortunately, faith-filled words and speeches that include the words God, prayer, faith, and belief when talking about business are seen as cultlike for whatever reason.

Lastly, do so few people really make it big?
It is true, only a select few really make some good money in Quixtar. Who selects them? They select themselves. When someone has a burning desire for something that is stronger than their fear of changing their lives to truly, wholeheartedly commit to this, they succeed! I have personally seen a couple reach the "platinum" level, where they make $2500-5000 a month, in seven months! Why? They had a baby on the way and she was a full-time elementary school teacher. Their desire to allow her to leave her job to raise their baby fueled their burn. I've personally seen another couple do the same thing in nine months. He was a airplane mechanic working in Minnesota while his wife and kids lived in Georgia. He lost his job a few months in, but his desire to get things done now so he could stay in Georgia with his family fueled his passion. So why don't more people succeed? I DON'T KNOW, but I can tell you for sure it is not because they can't.

I hope I was able to cover most of the challenges to the Quixtar business and helped some people understand why we do what we do. I hope, also, that you can see that, although there are some who mislead and lie, that is not a universal thing, nor is it even something seen in the majority of IBOs. I hope I have shown you that we are truthful and honest. You can get any other information you wish to about Quixtar from their site, www.quixtar.com. Look at the bottom right hand of the home page. Thanks for your time!

I am an IBO and I stumbled onto this website because of a link I found when searching on another website. I found this report and so I'm throwing my two cents in.

First of all, the person who sponsored me has never put off any hard questions I have given him, so I find it frustrating to hear of IBOs who DO get evasive easily. I'll give you some of the answers I got to some questions similar to what has been referenced here:

Is this Amway?:
Yes and no. The structure, the levels, the people all came directly from Amway when the switch was made on September 1, 1999 from Amway to Quixtar in North America. However, the switch was not made to hide the Amway name or deceive people; in fact, it wasn't even the company's idea. One of the big names in Amway, Bill Britt, brought the concept of Quixtar to them, but they didn't like it (they were doing great already, why change?). The sons of founders' Rich DeVos and Jay Van Andel, Doug Devos and Steve Van Andel, decided they believed it would be a good step for the company and said if the company would make the transition, they would head it up. Also, Amway distributors who come back as IBOs today after years out of the business barely recognize it. Our highest selling and biggest profit item, XS energy drink, has only been with us for 2 years. Circuit City, Office Max, and many other big name companies we work with weren't with us in the Amway days. The paperwork and payment of bonus checks and picking up of products used to be a major hassle and is now completely automated (I don't touch it or deal with it or think about it). I'll leave this issue and move on, since I hope I have made some sort of point by now.

The average Quixtar IBO only makes $1400 per year.:
That's absolutely true! Now, let's clear up what "average" is (Quixtar actually uses the term "active"). If an IBO bought anything or registered anyone in a year, he/she/they are "active". I have several people in my group, both personally sponsored by me and sponspored by others in my group, who signed up and got a few starter items, then did NOTHING. Guess what? They are "active". Guess what else? Them signing up did nothing good for me other than give me a measly amount of volume for those initial items they chose to buy. I would rather they had gotten their money back than stayed signed up but done nothing, not even referred people either to me to talk to or to the website to buy things.

The big guys make money off of tools.:
Yes, they do. My sponsor is at a level right now where he makes a dollar off of every cd myself and my downline purchases. Guess what? He has also loaned out countless cd's for me that I did not buy and he did not get back. One reason for that dollar compensation is precisely to help them recover some loss from loaned out, unreturned cd's.

As for books, I've always been charged the value listed on the cover of the book. If they've negotiated bulk rates and make a little money there, it doesn't matter to me, because I am still paying the same price that I would pay in any book store (and yes, most of the books recommended to me are books I would've bought anyway).

Not all of the money for the weekly meetings goes to the diamond in charge of it. I doubt the hotels we meet in let us use their meeting rooms free out of the goodness of their hearts.
Quarterly functions: The money goes to many different people, most of whom are SPEAKERS at the function. It sure makes sense to me that someone who doesn't have to be there but is there and teaches me how to be better at what I do should get paid for his/her/their time.
Oh yeah, and all that information was freely offered to me by my sponsor without me even asking!!!!!

Regurgitating what we've been taught.:
Ok, I'll make an analogy now that hopefully will make sense. When I went to kindergarden for the first time, I wasn't told to question everything I was taught. I was told to learn what the teacher told me. All the way through school into college I was basically told to take what the teachers taught as fact. I was even made to regurgitate it in the form of papers, quizzes, and exams. If I didn't regurgitate it well enough, that indicated my lack of desire to learn the material, and I was punished with bad grades. Now, somewhere along the way, we all learned that we CAN question what we are taught. We also learned that most of what we are taught was taught by those more knowledgeable on the subject than us and, in general, much of the information was true. It is the same in our business. I take in as much as I can, filter it through what I believe, ask questions if I don't understand, and retain it. Now, here is a key difference that I feel is worth pointing out. My sponsor and everyone else in my upline prospers if I prosper. How quickly do you think they want me to succeed and prosper? How likely are they to give me bad information that may harm my ability to succeed? Going back to my school analogy, how much more of that erroneous information I may have been taught in school would have been filtered out if every one of my teachers' salaries were determined by my financial success in life? Enough said.

Is Quixtar a cult/do you have to believe as they believe?
NO! The reason people think that is because most people have a problem with mixing business and faith or religion, while we see the two as intertwined. I have certain beliefs, and to turn off those beliefs when I am doing business is an insult to the God in whom I have put my faith. Yes, most of the people who you hear speak do believe in God. If they do believe that way, they do speak about His importance in their lives. Not all of them believe in the same thing. There is a large Christian contigent and there is a large Hindu contigent. Also, there are many other religious beliefs represented, and none is made to feel as though they cannot succeed in Quixtar without believing a certain way. Unfortunately, faith-filled words and speeches that include the words God, prayer, faith, and belief when talking about business are seen as cultlike for whatever reason.

Lastly, do so few people really make it big?
It is true, only a select few really make some good money in Quixtar. Who selects them? They select themselves. When someone has a burning desire for something that is stronger than their fear of changing their lives to truly, wholeheartedly commit to this, they succeed! I have personally seen a couple reach the "platinum" level, where they make $2500-5000 a month, in seven months! Why? They had a baby on the way and she was a full-time elementary school teacher. Their desire to allow her to leave her job to raise their baby fueled their burn. I've personally seen another couple do the same thing in nine months. He was a airplane mechanic working in Minnesota while his wife and kids lived in Georgia. He lost his job a few months in, but his desire to get things done now so he could stay in Georgia with his family fueled his passion. So why don't more people succeed? I DON'T KNOW, but I can tell you for sure it is not because they can't.

I hope I was able to cover most of the challenges to the Quixtar business and helped some people understand why we do what we do. I hope, also, that you can see that, although there are some who mislead and lie, that is not a universal thing, nor is it even something seen in the majority of IBOs. I hope I have shown you that we are truthful and honest. You can get any other information you wish to about Quixtar from their site, www.quixtar.com. Look at the bottom right hand of the home page. Thanks for your time!

Above Mike states a Diamond makes $900,000 a year on functions, meetings tape etc. With 1000 people per Diamond that leaves on $300,000 for the average person to get to average of $1200 a year. So that is actually only $300 a person which is spent on Functions, meetings, tapes, etc. Based on that everyone but Diamonds actually loses money on this deal.

What none of you--pro or con Quixtar--have said is that Quixtar is Amway online. As all Amway robots have always done, they lie about Quixtar being Amway. The name was changed from Amway because of its negative connotation. Robert in Wisconsin is a perfect example of the Amway robot.

Look at the Quixtar catalog for their own brand products. SA-8 products? AMWAY

Quixtar and Amway (and all the other names they have for their MLM scams) are all about motivation. Little or no money is made on the products sold (overpriced when you figure in the astronomical "shipping and handling" costs), but rather all the books, tapes, seminars, etc. No one makes any money from selling products. They only make it from goading and lying to prospective suckers and the suckers they have already scammed to get into the biz.

I was constantly being approached by a couple in my neighborhood about Quixtar. I set up an appointment with them to hear their plan. Before the meeting, I did some research on the internet. Do a google search on Quixtar and see what you come up with! They are AMWAY and they SUCK!!! When I told my neighbor I wanted to cancel the appointment because of the Amway connection (I had previously asked him if this was Amway and he vehemently denied that it was), he lost his temper and told me it was NOT Amway, that I didn't know what I was talking about and I had no business telling him what he did (???). I then told him that yes it was Amway and why in the hell would I want to deal with someone that lies and has a temper like his? Needless to say, we haven't spoken since.

Don't be fooled by the Quixtar robots. It's Amway and we all know what Amway is about.

It has also been classified as a cult due to the religious pressure. What a disgrace to lie and cheat people in Jesus' name!

I know that you've been in the business for a few months. And yes, you might be getting rich "with" your friends... But what if your friends don't "Help" you out? I've been in the Q-star business for 2.5 years... I've gone out and contacted. I've read the books... All it really do was make me a better person. Made my wife the woman that God wanted her to be. That's it... All you do is pour money into the weekly meetings, tapes, monthly books, and quartarly sem-rallys and functions. I've put 2 years into this.. And I'm still where I was at when I got started... Only a little bit smarter... The other thing I got from it was the burning desire to actualy start my own business... I hope you get to your CAM Level that you so desire, but, in all honesty, You'll see it like most of us that was formarly in the buisness.... A dream, just out of your reach.

Robert, you have just regurgitated every meeting I ever attended, every tape I ever listened to, every video I ever watched while I was in the business. You obviously retain and process information well, good for you.

I don't know how it is in Wisconsin, but understand that this is a global company, so my forthcoming stats come from my experience in a different "leg" of the organization. Your "leg" may do it differently.

WEEKLY MEETING: mandatory
$5/person x 1000 people/diamondship = $5000/week
$5000/week x 50 weeks = $250,000/year for the diamond. You miss a meeting, you're not serious, your upline will not work with you if you're not serious.

WEEKLY TAPES: mandatory
$5/tape x 1000 people/diamondship = $5000/week
$5000/week x 50 weeks = $250,000/year for the diamond. You don't buy the tapes, you're not serious, your upline will not work with you if you're not serious.

MONTHLY BOOKS: mandatory
$10/book x 1000 people/diamondship = $10000/month
$10000/month x 12 months = $120,000/year for the diamond. You don't buy the books, you're not serious, your upline will not work with you if you're not serious.

FUNCTIONS: mandatory
$75/each x 1000 people/diamondship = $75000/each
$75000/each x 4 functions = $300,000/year for the host diamond. You don't buy the books, you're not serious, your upline will not work with you if you're not serious.

I have just padded my income as a diamond by over $900,000/year without buying a single thing from the Cydcor website. If you are "dedicated and willing to work the system properly," as you put it, then you participate in each of the above (even though they aren't "mandatory").

WEEKLY MEETING: costs you $250/year to attend
WEEKLY TAPES: costs you $250/year to listen
MONTHLY BOOKS: costs you $120/year to read
FUNCTIONS: costs you $300/year to attend
TOTAL: costs you $920/year to "build"

If the "average" IBO clears $1200/year but shells out $920/year, he's only netting $280/year. Factor in all of the gas you expend to attend these meetings, go "contacting", go to 1st round interviews, go to the functions, and that $280 is used up pretty quickly.

Did you know that your upline direct makes money off of every tape that you buy? He buys them from his upline ruby for $4/each and sells them to his downline for $5/each. If he has 25 guys in his organization (every GOOD direct has 25 guys) that's an extra $25/week, or $100/month or $1200/year just for tapes.

That may seem like a good deal, I mean he IS a millionaire, and he IS teaching you to be a millionaire like he is, but why hasn't he TOLD you about any of that income?

Ask your direct how much he makes for "showing the plan" at the meeting. Depending on how many people are there and his own level in the organization, it could be upwards of $10,000/week.

The bottom line is this...The plan you have been shown is a zero sum game. It is only half the story. You haven't been around long enough to hear the other half of the story. You cannot build wealth solely from the plan you were shown. Your upline relies HEAVILY on the motivation side of the plan. You don't see that side of the plan until you go direct. If you can sleep at night knowing that in order to become successful in Quixtar you must withhold this important information than god bless you and god bless your money.

There are two types of people who "don't make it" in Quixtar. Those too lazy to do the work, and those too respectable to perpetuate the lie.

Robert, I'm sorry to steal your dream from you. I want you to understand I have no personal bias against you and stand to gain nothing from telling you what I've told you. Knowledge is power. Do with it what you will.

I'll just start off by saying that Quixtar is about the most honest business opportunity out there. I myself have been registered for a few months now, and things are only improving. We do nothing sneaky or underhanded (the person who wrote "anybody making 70K a year has to be underhanded" is making 75K... how's that work?), and we only work with people who want our support.

It is true, not many people make it to the six-figure bracket, but that's no ones fault other than the IBO (independant business owner) who isn't producing. They usually give up after a few months because they are lazy and not dedicated or willing to work the system properly. The "average" IBO makes about $115 a month. Oh drat, ONLY $115 extra. Did your job give you a $1200 annual raise? Did you also know that the "average" American doesn't get into Harvard? So, by those comparisons, Harvard is a big scam that no one will succeed in. What you put in to Quixtar is what you get out. Quitters and slackers who do not produce results are not taking the time to go out and find people who want to work with them, and they will NEVER get those big results! You own your own business and if you treat it like a business, you get business results. Treat it like a hobby, you get hobby results (no money). The sponsors of those IBO's aren't making any money for their failure. The only time the sponsoring IBO's make money is when their downline IBO's are making money. That is a fact; check it out for yourself.

Yes, a lot of IBO's aren't wealthy yet. But I guarantee that any of them that are active in their business are getting paid back for the things they buy and the productive people they train. Even if it's just a few bucks back for their own purchases. When was the last time you got a check for shopping at Wal-Mart?

I don't get rich off of my friends. I'm getting rich with them. We don't buy useless stuff that we wouldn't have normally bought, we just buy things that we used to get from Wal-Mart, but from a business that we own. For some reason, many people would rather help the Walton family get more rich rather than themselves or loved ones. I personally think that Sam Walton's five heirs, each worth about 25 billion dollars, are rich enough.

As far as the "broken promises," what's that all about? We promise the big money only IF you adhere to the plan, work your business properly, and give it TIME. This is not get rich quick or easy. If you want that, flip through the channels at 2am, you'll find plenty of that. We can't promise how well you'll listen, how well you understand, and how well you'll apply yourself. Anyone can prosper from this. It just takes positive thinking and a willingness to succeed.

I think I read that people were bent out of shape that some of the successful IBO's were making money from seminars, books, audio tapes, etc. Is it unfair that teachers get paid? How about recording artists? Authors? News anchors? You? So, why is it unfair for our leaders to be compensated for their efforts? These are millionaires teaching me how to become one. Compare the price of a ticket to one of our functions to that of most other big name motivational speakers. Who's making more? Mr. Zig Ziggler I'd say. Also, no one makes anyone go to seminars, read books, or listen to CD's. They are 100% optional, PERIOD. By the way, we, like most other businesses out there, are not a non-profit organization.

You want to hear about a crooked deal? How about Dateline sending in those undercover prospects? The IBO's that had their hopes up on helping them reach their goals (so they thought), pouring their hearts, souls, time, money, and effort in training them and got the short end of the stick. We get no "recruiting" bonuses; we don't get paid for signing anyone up. We get paid when our new IBO's start to profit. That's another fact, look it up.

So, could someone please explain to me where the scam is? How are we suckering people? Who are we ripping off and how? How is making money when a consumer willingly buys product online crooked, but OK when they buy it from Wal-Mart? How is investing money in stocks to make a residual income OK, but investing time into people and yourself for a more secure residual income not OK? People who sign up get a 6 month money back guarantee on their membership. It is their own fault if they decide not to either work or get a refund if its not for them.

These claims against my organization are unfair, blind, one-sided, unresearched and misrepresented. Not to mention sickening. It saddens me to know that a TV tabloid can corrupt viewers with a 15 minute mudslinging fest to hurt their competition... how's that? Oh, I forgot to mention... NBC has a shopping site that does not reward their shoppers like we do. Sorry to say, NBC just scammed you!

We are not brainwashed. How is being friendly, motivated, and geared to help yourself and others a bad thing? If you believe everything you see on TV, then you are. We have been given an opportunity for success. Before you decide that this company is a scam, meet with someone that is working for this business in a positive way. You'll find a lot more useful information about it that way than you will surfing the bathroom walls of the internet.

In closing, I'd like to say that there are many scams out there that we are just used to. College doesn't guarantee a good job. A good job doesn't guarantee a good life or security. What guarantees those things? YOU DO. And Quixtar is a fantastic way of making those things happen for you, but only if you're willing to work with it. Yes, it is darn tough to make 70K without doing something dishonest. Be tough. Be honest. Work hard and honestly at this, and you will be prosperous.

The following is an excerpt from a Dateline NBC report on Quixtar. The full transcript can be found at www.dateline.msnbc.com. I strongly reccomend you check it out.
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So how much does an average Quixtar distributor really make? Well, only about $1,400 per year. What's the source for that figure? It's Quixtar itself. You can find it in the fine print of the company's own registration materials. That's $248,600 less than what our recruiter, Greg Fredericks, said we could make.

We caught up with him at one of his recruitment meetings.

Hansen: We're doing a story on Quixtar and Quixtar distributors.

Fredericks: Okay.

Hansen: And these folks here work with me.

Fredericks: Oh, great.

Hansen: And we wanted to ask you a couple of questions.

Fredericks: Sure.

First we reminded him about the money he said we could make.

Hansen: Are you really making...

Fredericks: "I'm not disclosing that.

Hansen: "A quarter million dollars by working merely 15, 16 hours a week?

Fredericks: [affirms] But I'm not going to disclose to you my information as far as my personal income.

But what he did let slip when he didn't know the camera was rolling was that one of the elite distributors we saw on stage is making most of his money from the motivation business.

Fredericks: Probably three quarters of it.

Sandler: And that's from seminars -- holding seminars?

Fredericks: Seminars, rallies, functions, motivational tools, tapes, books, speaking engagements, appearances.

But he didn't seem to remember saying that.

Fredericks: I don't know where that number came from. You're mentioning a number, three quarters of what his income is...

Hansen: That's what you said, not what I said.

Fredericks: Did I say that?

And that's about all he had to say. Later we found something else about Fredericks. Back in the mid 90s, he was arrested and charged with possession of crack cocaine and is still wanted by police to face charges in North Carolina.

What about others involved in Quixtar? Both the FBI and the criminal division of the IRS are making separate inquiries into at least two top distributors not focused on in this report. In the meantime, hundreds of thousands of true believers are drawn into Quixtar every year, dazzled by the promise of the good life. But unless things change, says Bo Short [former VERY high level Quixtar distributor], it's a broken promise that will leave broken hearts.

Short: I think people are being hurt. Because understand, the majority of people in the audience [at a Quixtar motivational rally] believe, or desperately, desperately want to believe this. And they sit there with their hearts in it. What about them?

Some former high-level distributors have filed a lawsuit against Quixtar in federal court, accusing the company of antitrust violations and conspiracy. Quixtar disputes the allegations and says it hopes the matter will be resolved through arbitration.

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