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Dear Roger,
I would like to help you.
Please contact me immediately so that I can find out why your trade-in isn't paid off. My direct dial number is 431-6507.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Tom Kline, Controller

Roger Car dealers feel that they can do what ever they want because they know the media will never expose their long running scams and Rip Off's to the public.

I am a car buyers Consumer Advocate on this web site and I have seen Arizona car dealers do just about everything to increase their profit. Trust me most car dealers don't care as to how you feel about them just as long as they sell you a car.

Tell your Attorney he or she would be wise to see to it that a law suit be file and it be brought all they way to a jury. You can bet your bottom dollar that you can never trust "Arbitration" You will get bent over, trust me. A few local law firms here in phoenix have me come in and help them when it comes to RV and auto dealers.

The big problem is that banks receive fraudulent credit application everyday and they are too stupid to spot them or the profit off of a car loan is more important to them that they just use blind employees to process the paper work.

We must bash the media that will not bring car dealer scams to the public and we must bash the car dealers and EXPOSE THE RAT BASTARDS!

Did your loving car dealer's sales staff fill out your credit application or did they hand it to you to fill out?

From what you are saying it sounds like they let you take the car home with a copy of the contract. If this is so I am willing to bet that much of your documentation has been altered behind your back.

The other problem is that most Attorney Generals have no clue as to what to look for when it comes to car dealer Rip Offs.

Do you think that a Real Estate office would let a Mortgage Broker play Spot delivery games with home buyers.

You know let the home buyer move in and then call them after they have settled in and tell them to come back in so the broker and "yank" down their pants and grab a bigger chunk of profit? I don't think so.

The other problem Is CSI diversion. Yes, this also is something that most legal HOT DOGS have no clue about. I Pounded the pavement for many months a few years ago to try to find a TV station that had the balls to expose car dealer scams. But NO.

No TV station in this state has the balls to bend a few car dealers over and show consumers how dirty they can be. HUMMM Maybe it's because of all the big advertising $$$$$$ they all get from the car dealers that bend the consumers over.

After rooting on the net this morning I also think that I should post some more "INFORMATIVE READING for you. many of us know about the big GM Recall on many of their popular trucks and SUV's

Before or after a car buyer buys a car It would be nice if the media such as TV stations that have "On your Side programs" would do insider stories on the auto industry. They do stories on everything else like police, politics, crime, small restaurants, bad doctors and many other topics, why not new car dealers?

It seems that they, the media TV stations, Local Talk radio stations and newspapers do NOT want to let any of their reporters do any stories on new car dealers and the scams in the auto industry.

Let me tell you what I tried to get 3TV "The place with more stuff" in phoenix to air for AZ car buyers.

Before you start reading any more of this go get a nice warm cup of tea and think about what you are about to read.

At one time I sold cars for a living. I thought it might be a way to pay my bills. Went to a local Toyota dealer and drove them nuts until they hired me. Little by little they trained me the basics on selling cars. Much of the insider stuff the deceptive salesmen trained me what was going on to increase the bottom line.

Later I moved to a Nissan dealer and I thought selling Nissans would be much better. They played the same scams just with a different twist. After a few years I had to get out of the business because of what I seen the dealers were doing to car buyers.

During the last few months of selling cars I decided to EXPOSE what many dealers are doing to car buyers.

I went to 3TV and told them about a scam that car dealers were doing to car buyers. It is called CSI Diversion.

I went to MANY sales meetings and had to listen to the GM, GSM and their F&I people asking or requesting all info pertaining to what they called "HEAT DEALS"

In other words, they wanted to make sure that they had all info like customer's name, stock number of car they bought, VIN number, all of the UN HAPPY customer's contact info such as home, work and cell numbers.

They then would make sure that they placed FALSE phone numbers FALSE addresses on the RDR cards that went to the car maker. They did not want the car maker to be able to have any kind of contact with the you the UNHAPPY car buyers.

If a car dealer sees to it that the UNHAPPY car buyers never get any kind of CSI survey, they the car dealer will see their CSI scores will go up. Their main goal is to see to it that ONLY the HAPPY car buyers get CSI surveys in the mail. Many car dealers will also tell the car buyer this.

"Hey Mr and Mis car buyer if you can say you are happy on that CSI survey that you will soon be getting in the mail, we will give you a dinner at a local Steak house and a free tank of gas. Just bring the CSI survey to the dealership when you get it in the mail. We will be happy to help you with the paper work and fill it out for you."

One local Nissan car dealer's GM got a bright idea that would help their CSI scores in a big way. He seen to it that his sales staff were putting their own home numbers and addresses on the car Buyer's RDR cards. Then Nissan was unknowingly sending the CSI surveys to the car dealer's sales staff. I need not mention how the car dealer's sales staff filled out the surveys.

Now, I have a big problem with the above! Car maker has FALSE contact info like mailing address and all phone numbers. What if car maker wants to contact you, the car owner and say the following.

"Hey Mr. car owner we screwed up when we built your P.O.S. SUV and it has a DEFECTIVE ABS break unit on it. Your P.O.S. SUV also has a drivers side air bag that will pop in your face at anytime that may cause you to kill someone. We also found out that your seat belts aren't worth a s**t. We really want to have a chance to repair your P.O.S. SUV NOW!

If they can't send the real new car owner a CSI survey, how can they make sure the REAL CAR OWNER gets a safety recall notice?

I told a local Phoenix TV station 3TV all about this kind of deception and after they researched the hole story and had many on video that were willing to TELL ALL the TV station tossed the story in the trash.

I even have some recorded conversations with station 3TV about some local car dealers diverting their C.S.I. Rich Skidmore and I were going to release the story. He told me they wanted to "sand big" the story until the "sweeps" then it seems to me their advertising department got a hold of the story and got the station manager to KILL THE STORY.

The Editor here at Rip Off Report wants me to help him set it up so you readers out there can hear some of the recordings that I made of their reporter and I having about the story.

I asked Rich Skidmore to give me a copy of the video that he made when he was still working at 3TV and he would not do it.

Their motto was "The Place with more stuff" I say their motto should have been.

"The place that hides more stuff"

I wonder why they did not want to inform the local car owners that they might not get any SAFETY RECALLS!

Maybe big car dealer advertising money was at stake! I am thinking real hard about letting you all hear some of the recorded conversations that I secretly recorded about AZ CSI diversion. If I file a Rip Off Report and post all the info that I have, you car buyers will LOVE to listen to the tapes.

Here in AZ I think the car buyer has no clue as to how deceptive a car dealer can be. Can't get any local media to talk about car dealers and their scams that cost car buyers BIG BUCKS!

Contact your car maker if you bought a new car and ask for a copy of the RDR card that was sent to them after you bought your new car. Good way to find out what address your dealer sent to your car maker. Maybe your dealer thinks you are an UNHAPPY CAR BUYER!

If you want to find out what I am saying about the media is true or not try this test.

No matter what state you live in, email all of the people below and ask them why they are NOT WILLING talk live on the air about scams in the auto industry.

Ask them is the advertising money more important then protecting their listeners form the scams in the auto industry?

After they email you back, post their response on this Rip Off Report. I do NOT care what state you live in, Email the below people at a local "TALK RADIO" station and ask why they will NOT TALK about car dealer scams LIVE on the air.

It sure seems to me that protecting car buyers is NOT a concern of the main stream media. That being TALK RADIO, NEWSPAPERS and TV stations.
They are willing to chat the good and bad about the President of the United States, why not the good and bad of new car dealers?

Put the below people to the test, email them! Post their response on this Rip Off Report!

BruceJacobs@clearchannel.com
BarryYoung@clearchannel.com
joecrummey@clearchannel.com
scottconner@clearchannel.com
robertagale@clearchannel.com
terrygilberg@clearchannel.com

Let's not forget Bill Handel. Email him at bill@kfi640.com and see if he has the balls to talk about car dealer SCAMS LIVE on the Radio.

Many car dealers know that TALK radio stations will not expose them because of all of the BIG MONEY the give to radio stations for advertising.

Most media MUTTS have to back bone to bash car dealers on the air because the radio stations don't want to loose car dealer advertising money.
bill@kfi640.com


Ask yourself these questions:
1. When can you remember the last time your local newspaper ever did a story on a new car dealership as to how they were scamming new car buyers?

2. When was the last time you ever heard a talk radio station let a caller talk LIVE on the air about how a car dealer ripped them off?

Want to put a talk radio station to the test? Go to the below URL and find a talk radio station in your state and call them up. Find out if what I say is true. Go ahead, make my day!

When you go to this below URL there are MANY pages of talk radio stations in all 50 states. There are 20 stations listed on each page. Put any of them to the test. Call one of them up when they have open topic and try to see if their call screener will let you get to chat with the show host about how a car dealer ripped you off.

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?format=tal&s=R&sr=Y

3. When was the last time you watched a TV station "On your side reporter" do an in-depth story on how finance people at NEW CAR dealers are scamming new car buyers?

Do you think your local TV station would ever do a story on the car buyer in this Rip Off Report below? Go look at the 3 pic's posted in this below Rip off Report. Read this car buyer's Report Real good.

www.badbusinessbureau.com/reports/ripoff52158.htm

4. When was the last time you got to read a "Letter to the editor" about how a car buyer got bent over in a new car dealer scam?

Would you like to put a newspaper to the test? If so go to the below URL and find a newspaper in your state and locate the "Letters to the Editor" section and email them. Post their reply on this Rip Off Report!

www.onlinenewspapers.com/usstate/usatable.htm

5. Do you think a newspaper, talk radio station or a local TV station would ever do a story on any of the below URL's?
I think NOT!

Does your state have a "a*s KICKING AG's Office like New York has? I bet NOT!

www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2001/dec/dec13b_01.html www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2001/may/may30b_01.html www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2002/apr/apr19b_02.html www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2002/jan/jan14b_02.html www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2000/oct/oct12a_00.html www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2001/aug/aug09a_01.html www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2003/mar/mar12b_03.html www.oag.state.ny.us/press/1999/sep/sep30e_99.html www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2003/mar/mar18b_03.html

BruceJacobs@clearchannel.com
BarryYoung@clearchannel.com
joecrummey@clearchannel.com
scottconner@clearchannel.com
robertagale@clearchannel.com
terrygilberg@clearchannel.com

Put any of the above people in the media to the test and find out if what I am saying to you is true! Then post their replies on this Rip Off Report!

I feel that newspapers, Talk radio and many TV stations have this unspoken rule to all reporters. "Do not even think of messing with our big money makers"

Do you think this car buyer had to sit on a BIG ONE? I think so!

www.badbusinessbureau.com/reports/ripoff52158.htm

I also wonder why is it that banks are willing to do business with car dealers that are willing to submit fraudulent documents for loan approvals. Just think about this also. Most car dealers have a "documentation fee" They charge you a fee sometimes as much as $350 bucks to do all of the paper work. What kind of paper work have you paid for?

All of the "Media Mutts" on the morning shows that play with their papers and smile at each other make me sick! No "Media Mutt" that I know has a clue as to what's really going on. They are all just "Window Dressing" to keep you tuned in!

Roger post all of what you know, I would love to read it. Do you know about any people that like to play with car buyer's credit applications BEFORE the car dealer sends them off for loan approvals? PLEASE POST what you know.