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Complaint Review: Slot Machine Profits / Susan Applegate - Walnut California

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  • Slot Machine Profits / Susan Applegate P.O. box 747 Walnut, CA 91789 Walnut, California U.S.A.

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I purchased a plan which was designed to legally rob slot machines. It was to identify the machines in a couple of plays as a machine to play or not to play.

Susan Applegate and Slot Machine Profits are the names used in selling the program. A check in the amount of $30.00 plus $2.00 shipping and handling was sent on 10/18/02 to Susan Applegate via the Slot Machine Profits address.

The program was sold with an advertised 1 year, iron clad, guarantee no risk offer. With the program you could walk into any casino anywhere in the world and use her system for a chance to win $120,000 to $360,000 a year using her zig zag method.

I have not received the program or too have not received a word on it.

Mike
Bakersfield, California

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#8 Consumer Comment

A lesson in randomness

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, July 03, 2004

Health, your giving out the same information that would have been found in the book that is the subject of this report. Unfortunately, these are all myths based on false notions of how casinos operate.

Payout percentages are set by the manufacturer of the machines and controlled by the computer inside the machine. The computer access point is sealed and marked with evidence tape. If the casino operator tries to tamper with the computer, and thus the payouts, the evidence tape will be disturbed. When the regulators come around they will see that the machine has been tampered with and will probably shut the casino down for an in-depth investigation of all the machines, and the casino operator risks losing his liscence permanently.

I've seen lots of slot machine advice over the years. It is all based either on the idea that the casino regularly decides what a machine will pay out, or on mistaken notions of what "random" means.

The casinos cannot change the payouts on machines without the consent of the state's regulatory body, and it is very rarely done.

As for misunderstanding the meaning of "random," consider this statement: "Move on someone may have already hit on it and the chance of hitting is greatly diminished." This is completely false! On any given pull, on any given slot machine, there is an exactly equal chance of hitting a certain payout. Each pull is an "indepedent trial," meaning that what happens on each play is completely independent of what happened before. If I have a one percent chance of winning five dollars on a machine the odds are the same if I've hit that win five times in a row, or if I've been playing for an hour and haven't hit anything yet. The machine doesn't pay out big, and then tell itself to take a rest for a while to make up the percentages. It always follows the RNG, regardless of what has been paid in the previous few minutes.

Your mistaken notions of casino operation mean big profits for the casino, and for people who try to sell bogus gambling plans. People with "systems" are the casino's best friend. They will, on the average, lose significantly more money than the casual player.

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#7 Consumer Comment

change payouts on certain machines

AUTHOR: Health - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 30, 2004

I disagree with your premise that all machines
are basically a rip off. It is true that the machines are random number generators and the win is determined before the symbols appear on the screen. The casino has the ability to change payouts on certain machines. That is, it has a number of machines placed logistically where large numbers of people pass by.

These so called looser machines have higher payouts. Each machine has setting for high payout, true payout and minimal payout. The newer machines have even greater variance in payout. People who play regularly at certain casinos know these machines and go there specifically to play them.

To be successful at the slots the player must study what machines hit more regularly than others. The only way to do this is to go to the casino when it is busy and walk through the cavernous corridors of machines and watch who wins. It takes alot of time but your homework will payoff. Casinos regularly move machines around because they know their customers are aware of the looser machines.

To be successful one should play all the lines of his/her chosen machine. If the machine has not paid any thing substantial (example you put in twenty dollars and the machine has not dropped the same amount or more) get off the machine. Move on someone may have already hit on it and the chance of hitting is greatly diminished. There are many stories about a machine having back to back wins. I have seen it and experienced it. This scenario occurs infrequently.

The only other advice I have if you can not spare the money do not gamble.

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#6 Consumer Comment

change payouts on certain machines

AUTHOR: Health - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 30, 2004

I disagree with your premise that all machines
are basically a rip off. It is true that the machines are random number generators and the win is determined before the symbols appear on the screen. The casino has the ability to change payouts on certain machines. That is, it has a number of machines placed logistically where large numbers of people pass by.

These so called looser machines have higher payouts. Each machine has setting for high payout, true payout and minimal payout. The newer machines have even greater variance in payout. People who play regularly at certain casinos know these machines and go there specifically to play them.

To be successful at the slots the player must study what machines hit more regularly than others. The only way to do this is to go to the casino when it is busy and walk through the cavernous corridors of machines and watch who wins. It takes alot of time but your homework will payoff. Casinos regularly move machines around because they know their customers are aware of the looser machines.

To be successful one should play all the lines of his/her chosen machine. If the machine has not paid any thing substantial (example you put in twenty dollars and the machine has not dropped the same amount or more) get off the machine. Move on someone may have already hit on it and the chance of hitting is greatly diminished. There are many stories about a machine having back to back wins. I have seen it and experienced it. This scenario occurs infrequently.

The only other advice I have if you can not spare the money do not gamble.

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#5 Consumer Comment

change payouts on certain machines

AUTHOR: Health - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 30, 2004

I disagree with your premise that all machines
are basically a rip off. It is true that the machines are random number generators and the win is determined before the symbols appear on the screen. The casino has the ability to change payouts on certain machines. That is, it has a number of machines placed logistically where large numbers of people pass by.

These so called looser machines have higher payouts. Each machine has setting for high payout, true payout and minimal payout. The newer machines have even greater variance in payout. People who play regularly at certain casinos know these machines and go there specifically to play them.

To be successful at the slots the player must study what machines hit more regularly than others. The only way to do this is to go to the casino when it is busy and walk through the cavernous corridors of machines and watch who wins. It takes alot of time but your homework will payoff. Casinos regularly move machines around because they know their customers are aware of the looser machines.

To be successful one should play all the lines of his/her chosen machine. If the machine has not paid any thing substantial (example you put in twenty dollars and the machine has not dropped the same amount or more) get off the machine. Move on someone may have already hit on it and the chance of hitting is greatly diminished. There are many stories about a machine having back to back wins. I have seen it and experienced it. This scenario occurs infrequently.

The only other advice I have if you can not spare the money do not gamble.

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#4 Consumer Comment

change payouts on certain machines

AUTHOR: Health - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 30, 2004

I disagree with your premise that all machines
are basically a rip off. It is true that the machines are random number generators and the win is determined before the symbols appear on the screen. The casino has the ability to change payouts on certain machines. That is, it has a number of machines placed logistically where large numbers of people pass by.

These so called looser machines have higher payouts. Each machine has setting for high payout, true payout and minimal payout. The newer machines have even greater variance in payout. People who play regularly at certain casinos know these machines and go there specifically to play them.

To be successful at the slots the player must study what machines hit more regularly than others. The only way to do this is to go to the casino when it is busy and walk through the cavernous corridors of machines and watch who wins. It takes alot of time but your homework will payoff. Casinos regularly move machines around because they know their customers are aware of the looser machines.

To be successful one should play all the lines of his/her chosen machine. If the machine has not paid any thing substantial (example you put in twenty dollars and the machine has not dropped the same amount or more) get off the machine. Move on someone may have already hit on it and the chance of hitting is greatly diminished. There are many stories about a machine having back to back wins. I have seen it and experienced it. This scenario occurs infrequently.

The only other advice I have if you can not spare the money do not gamble.

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#3 Consumer Comment

If a casino is your best friend, I'd hate to meet your enemies!

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 01, 2003

Of course it's great when you win, that's the whole idea behind casinos. Slot machine wins are great, because usually when you hit them you've already pumped in hundreds of dollars and are happy about not having to stress about all the money you lost anymore! The exhileration of hitting a big slot win is better than sex.

After you hit a big win, the casino knows you have a big wad of dough just waiting to be spent, and they'll do everything they can to make sure you spend it there, this is where the great comps come in.

A gambler with a "system" is certainly the casino's best friend, because they know that people who are using a "system" will view losses as a fluke, and think that if they keep playing they'll end up ahead. People with "systems" lose more than five times as much money, on average, in an individual visit to a casino than the average recreational gambler. The psychology behind gambling "system" proliferation benefits the casinos greatly.

Just remember, there is always the "possibilty" of a big win. There is the "possiblity" that somone could walk into a casino with a dollar in his pocket and walk out a millionaire.

Smart gamblers don't concern themselves with "possibilities," instead they focus on "probabilities," because they know that no matter how you play a game (as long as you are adhering to house rules and not counting cards) the averages will prevail over time.

No matter how well you and your friends may have done in the past on slots, believe me, the ONLY beatable game in a casino is blackjack, and most people who know how to beat blackjack will tell you not to even bother trying it. The casino will always win in the end! Still, it's alot of fun to give them all your money!

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#2 Consumer Comment

The casinos are your best friend if you prevail.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 29, 2003

A yr and a half ago I hit a royal flush in Tropicana casino, A.C. NJ. I agree with some parts and I bought a book from Texas because they claimed a system on beating slots. I hit a triple play poker and agree that theres the comps. The casinos are your best friend if you prevail. I'm saving enough to take back down and see if I could do better and beat the chicken in tic tac toe if its what I think it is. Also my cousin did the same exact thing on my sisters birthday (12-30) same time frame when I hit. He hit $20k at Delaware Park and took home $14,600.

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

A word on casinos and gambling advice...

AUTHOR: tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 09, 2002

Mike, you should be happy that the book you ordered never arrived, because now you don't have to waste any of your precious time reading it. Many people offer advice on slot machines and how to get amazing returns from them. Here's my advice: play slot machines for fun if you want to, they are indeed entertaining and sometimes you can have a nice little win. Don't ever fool yourself into thinking there is a way to beat a computerized casino machine. These machines run on random number generators which determine what the payout will be for a play independent of what the reels show (nowadays the reels are completely unnecessary, they do not determine your winnings). The random number generators are set to a certain payout percentage by the manufacturer, at the request of the casino, as authorized by the state's regulatory panel. Casinos do not have the ability to change the payout on their machines without the permission of the state gaming control board, they do not have a switchboard in a back room somewhere where they decide which machines will pay and which ones won't. Every slot machine theory I have ever seen is based on the assumption that casinos decide on a daily basis which will be the "hot" machines. This is not the case. There are ways to end up with an advantage in a casino, but they do not involve wacky schemes, and they certainly don't involve slot machines. If you want to be a proffessional gambler your only options are counting cards in blackjack, which is a bad idea for many reasons, or becoming an expert poker player. You can, through video poker and straight blackjack, recieve more in comp values from the casino then your expected losses, but you have to know how to play the games EXACTLY right. Stay away from any system which does not involve blackjack, poker, or video poker by all means. And never ever ever pay someone for a gambling system. If their system was so great, they wouldn't need to sell it to you.

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