Rac Transport Treat Employees BAD Montrose Colorado

jjj2114:

Interesting that you seem to be another of those in Montrose who don't want to see a BETTER Montrose.

But let's take your points one by one:

1) Due Diligence

Well, perhaps I am guilty of trusting the Montrose businessperson more than they apparently deserve.

Moving here, I admit I was fooled by the lies about "honesty," "integrity," and the "individualism" of the area. Supposedly, you could trust a man's handshake as good as his signature. That's what I was told. WRONG.

(And since my previous posting, I have been cheated again - by Redhawk Tree Service. Worked for him two days, his truck broke down, and he wouldn't pay me the money I was promised. I guess jjj2114 would expect employees in Montrose to demand payment BEFORE they work? And also ask your prospective employer - beforehand - if they intend to: A) cheat you out of overtime pay; B) cheat the other business owners by illegally under-bidding them; C) cheat the rest of the taxpayers in the country, and; D) not pay you for work agreed to and completed.)


So if "due diligence" means never trusting anyone, then yes, you are correct.

NOTICE TO EVERYONE - PER JJJ2114: NEVER TRUST A BUSINESSPERSON IN MONTROSE.

He/she may be honest, but you can't be sure, and, according to jjj2114, it is YOUR fault if a dishonest businessperson cheats you. (Guess jjj2114 thinks business people are SUPPOSED to cheat us. Might explain some of his/her writings.)

Furthermore, not every business transaction lends itself to "due diligence." (The example of beginning work for a new employer, for one example.) How is someone to know - BEFOREHAND - that an employer (or vendor) plans on cheating you? Ask them? Visit Ripoff Report? Just hope you're not the fist to have to post a complaint?

Apparently jjj2114 finds fault with me for pointing out cheaters, thieves and liars, but has no problem with the actual cheaters, thieves and liars themselves. Perhaps jjj2114 is one of those him/herself, and that is why he/she finds it so offensive for cheats, thieves and liars to be brought to task. It would appear that jjj2114 believes Montrose (anywhere?) is a better place with LESS whistle blowers, and MORE cheaters, thieves and liars.

Readers should consider which town would they prefer to live in: One where dishonest people are exposed (so you can protect yourself), or where the whistle blowers are chased out of town, so the cheaters, thieves and liars can have free rein? I prefer a town with honest businesspeople, honest consumers, and honest citizens, where the crooks are identified and removed.

(For anyone interested in opinions on Montrose, Colorado from other people, I suggest you research the many, many complaints about Montrose Memorial Hospital from it's employees, former employees, patients, and townsfolk. There's PLENTY on that. In particular, see the NUMEROUS Letters to the Editor in the month of December, 2007 in the Montrose Daily Press (sorry, letters not available on-line). Interesting side note - the paper is regularly referred to as the "Montrose Daily Mess" by many locals. (No, I didn't bring that with me from Jersey.) Personally, I refer to it as "The Woody Family News," since nepotism ("look it up," jjj2114) is strong both in its staffing and editorial writings. Want to know what happened in the world yesterday? Go on-line. Want to know what Publisher Steve Woody and his family did yesterday? Read the MDP.)


2) Your confusion over RAC.

You [sort of] defend RAC's bad practice by straw dog argument. ("Look it up," to use your own words.)

"However, this is such a remote area, we often don't have a choice of freight carriers, which is why they thrive." jjj2114 states.

Gee, jjj2114, if you had done YOUR homework, you would know that RAC is NOT a "freight carrier." And yet you try to defend RAC's bad business practices by placing them in a category in which they do not belong. As if the fault lies in there not being enough carriers. Nonsense. Would you excuse a Montrose business for stealing from YOU by saying "Well, Telluride is a long way to the next ski town!"?

As if a lack of competition is an excuse for ANY bad business practices. (You ARE one of the cheaters, thieves and liars, aren't you? After all, you have not argued for the good of Montrose consumers - you are defending the crooks. Thanks a lot. It's that attitude that is ruining Montrose.)


3) "I disagree strongly with the characterization of the entire town of Montrose, Colorado as a 'bad place to live' because it's people are so immoral, unethical, and zenophobic (sic) (look it up.)" states jjj2114.

Let's see. I stated: "...lying and cheating anybody is immoral." So jjj2114 thinks it is NOT immoral to lie to and cheat people? Interesting. Would you PLEASE post "jjj2114" on your business cards and shingle, as a fair warning to the rest of us?


I never used the word "unethical." But yes, I would add that cheating, stealing and lying is unethical. Please enlighten us with YOUR definition of "unethical," jjj2114.

"Zenophobic?" Gee, jjj2114, YOU should "look it up." First thing you would notice, after you dust off your dictionary, is that it is spelled "xenophobic."

Second, you would actually be doing something you expect others to do, but obviously won't do yourself ("look it up."). (And while you're there, look up "unethical." And look up "sic," in the hopes you'll actually know why I inserted "(sic)" in some of your comments.)

If actually doing what you expect others to do - "look it up" - is too much trouble for you, then you should either let your computer do your work for you (spell-check), or you shouldn't use words that you can't spell.)

Better yet, stop defending cheaters, thieves and liars.


And while I - again - never used the word, it can very well be argued that many in Montrose ARE xenophobic.

Perhaps you are a shut-in, who never gets out to speak with the "real" people of Montrose, but I have. And I have never lived in, worked in, or visited an area that has so many racists. (And I've lived in 3 countries and 6 states.)

About 1 out of every four people seem to think that anybody who isn't a white person is either a "Wetback" or a "N-word." And you don't have to be black to be an "N-person" around here.

Just strike up a conversation with four random people, and you'll likely get at least one of them who will tell you how the Iraqi's (and ALL the Arabs, etc.) are "towel-headed N-----s." Or ask them what they think of Mexican people. More likely than not, with that fourth person, that is the last time the word "Mexican" will be used in the conversation.

But don't take my word for it - DO IT!


And many who moved into Montrose 10 or more years ago experienced the "attitude" that was prevalent then. If you hadn't lived in Montrose for at least 10 years, you were an "outsider" who wasn't tremendously welcomed (except by the Realtors).

(One begins to wonder if jjj2114 ever really spent any time in this town. Read on.)


4) "I've lived near the great town for 13 years myself; and I can say, I've never, ever had a 'rip off' experience there." stated jjj2114.

Good for you. I'm happy for your fortunate experiences. There are many more people in Montrose who would similarly envy you. (Read their postings.)

"...lived near..." So how often do you actually do business in Montrose. That is, beyond food shopping?

Perhaps yours is not a good example. After all, I've never had a problem playing scrabble with paraplegic nuns. But then again, I've never done that, either.


5) "It's just immature to lable (sic) a town in such a manner, when it's clearly a personal issue." stated jjj2114.

Oh, now we're resorting to "immature." Okay, Grandpa. You're such an adult. (But the odds are you are younger than I. As if age has anything to do with this.)

Is that lame excuse for reasoning effective with your kids? If they say something for which you lack the intellectual capacity to construct a valid counter-argument, do you try to poo-poo their point by making them sound "immature?" (Argument ad-hominem. LOOK IT UP, JJJ2114! And use a REAL dictionary! Your spell-checker dictionary probably doesn't have this term. Oh, never mind. You obviously don't use a spell-checker, or you would know how to spell "xenophobic." And "label.")


"...clearly a personal issue." So. According to jjj2114, getting ripped off is a "personal issue?" So there should be no laws against theft? After all, according to jjj2114's "logic" if you get ripped of, it's YOUR fault. Perhaps jjj2114 HAS gotten ripped off, many times, but doesn't tell us, because it was a "personal issue" of his own?


6) "Perhaps if you asked around, got references to solid service providers, and approached transactions with a positive attitude, you may just get positive results." stated jjj2114.

Well, let's see. Since you don't know what happened in my experiences, we'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and presume you're just making things up as you go.

First off, the excavator was a "reference" from a neighbor, who implied that the man was a "solid service provider." Apparently, his "qualifications" turned out to be that the excavator went to the same church as my neighbor. So much for THAT being a qualification. Guess an apparent belief in God was not enough to keep that excavator from cheating my wife and I. I guess his reward will come on "Judgment Day," presuming he really believes in that. His actions tend to make me think otherwise. Or is it only a sin to cheat someone who goes to the same church as you...?

And getting references might not seem to be a good idea, anyway. After all, I might have had the misfortune to have asked YOU for a reference. Obviously, from your writing, you would have no problem referring cheaters, thieves and liars to anyone. (As long as they weren't one of those awful "whistle blowers.") So my "due diligence" in that case would have resulted in you referring me to possibly that same contractor.


And "approached transactions with a positive attitude." Well, how much more "positive attitude" can one have than to trust the person with whom you are doing business?

And how "positive" would the opposite approach - the one jjj2114 seems to suggest - be? "Hi. I want to do business with you, but I don't trust you. I want to examine your books, speak with all of your current and previous employees and customers, check the court records, etc., etc., etc."

Furthermore, I moved to Montrose with nothing BUT a positive attitude. It has been changed not by me, but by the treatment of me by so many who don't hesitate to cheat, steal and lie.

One example: When I was building my house, two workers came to put the blown-in insulation in my attic. It was a Friday, and they said they were quitting at the end of the day. Kidding around, I told them to "lose the work order."

Well, apparently they did, because after three months, I finally had to go to the business and asked them if they were going to send me a bill. The owner knew nothing of his work at my house. I refreshed his memory, and within a month had received - AND PAID! - a bill for almost $500.

I could have kept quiet, and not paid the bill. But I did not move to Montrose to lie or cheat or steal from other people. Nor did I move to Montrose to BE cheated. I came here honestly, expecting to be treated as honestly as I treat others. (Guess it was naive of me to expect the "Golden Rule" from this highly "Christian" town.)

While honesty has been the case for many transactions, it has not been for too many. If anyone feels it is wrong to point out people who lie, cheat and steal, then so be it. You will enjoy jjj2114's company.


7) "In the meantime, don't besmirch my town. A lot of folks love it here, including me. " stated jjj2114.

"...'MY' town?" "...love it 'HERE'?" (My emphasis.) Your post says you are from Telluride. Now Montrose is "your town?" You love it "here?" Hmmm. Readers should take note of your use of facts.

Montrose to Colona to Ridway to Placerville to Sawpit to Telluride. (Did I miss any towns between Montrose and Telluride?) Did those towns, and the roughly 60 miles between Montrose and Telluride suddenly disappear? Is Telluride now a suburb of Montrose? Has Telluride been annexed by Montrose? You are two counties away, jjj2114. Perhaps you were counting on the readers to not know that. (d**n those facts!)

So, reading your post, it's beginning to seem that you fit right in with those you wish to defend.

If you REALLY loved Montrose so much, you would want to RID Montrose of the liars and cheaters and thieves. But instead you seem to want to DEFEND them, and attack a whistle blower.

So I ask you, JJJ2114: "Exactly what do you envision Montrose as?" A den of thieves? A good place to be able to rip people off? A place where we should kick out the whistle blowers, because they make it hard to steal from unsuspecting and innocent people?

What kind of town do you want for Montrose?

Excuse me for wanting to live in a town that does NOT support and encourage crooks.


8) "If I lived in a place for 14 years for which I had the bitterness you possess about Montrose, I'd surely find another place to call home rather than blame the town itself for my unhappiness." stated jjj2114.

Well, I haven't lived in a place for (now 15) years for which I had...


No. I loved (and still do some parts of) Montrose. It wasn't until about 10 years, and about 6 or more ripoffs, that I began to change my feelings about Montrose. (Actually, once I made a list, it was well over 12 businesses and people who have ripped me off in one way or another.)

So, jjj2114, what exactly makes Montrose a good or bad place to live? If they have cheaters, thieves and liars, it's a great place? But if someone lives there who would DARE to warn other innocent people about some of those cheaters, thieves and liars, that is wrong?

It would appear, based on your writings, that you think Montrose would be a better place to live if nobody warned us about crooks. Would that REALLY make life better for you, jjj2114. Or anyone else in Montrose? Or Telluride? Or Hoboken?

Care to explain WHY? Is ignoring problems better than addressing them? If your doctor tells you you have cancer, would you solve the problem by ignoring it? By telling the Doctor to "Get out of town?" (Should we discuss "maturity" now?)

If one of your kids told you another of your children was doing something terribly wrong (immoral or unethical), would you kick the first kid out of town for being a "tattle tale?" Or would you do what most responsible adults would do, and address the errors of the second child's ways?

I don't think I can sum up your attitude about which of the above worlds you want Montrose to be, better than your own words do: "In other words, please, do all of us a favor: go back to Jersey."

So, you think Montrose would be better if the people who are cheaters, thieves and liars stayed, and the people who would expose those crooks leave town!

In my world, Montrose (and the entire planet, for that matter) rids itself of cheaters, thieves and liars. (Jail sounds like a good alternate address for them.) Leaving good, honest people to do business with each other in the way it SHOULD be done. HONESTLY.

In your world, however, Montrose rids itself of those people who want a cleaner, more honest town. Leaving the cheaters, thieves and liars to have a free reign. No wonder you defend the crooks and want to rid Montrose of the honest folks. (Are you the excavator or the plumber? Can you afford to live in Telluride because you might be one of the thieves? What else could POSSIBLY explain your defending the crooks, and attacking the whistle blower? Just what kind of world do you envision for our children?)


So who do our readers think REALLY loves Montrose more? Or ANY town?

Would our readers prefer their town be full of cheaters, thieves and liars, or cleaned up by whistle blowers?

Is half of this site comprised of postings by people who want evil and corruption to end, and half by people who want evil and corruption to THRIVE?


In conclusion, if I sound harsh to jjj2114, I am. I do not pretend to like cheaters, thieves and liars. Even more, I don't like those who defend them.

Unless you are a lawyer, and it is your duty to do so, YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE DEFENDING THE SCUM OF THE WORLD, unless you SUPPORT the scum of the world.

And if you support the scum of the world, I have no kind words for you. But YOU make the decision. YOU select the words that come out of my keyboard.

If you want to be flamed, support the scumbags. If you want praise, work toward a better world for you, me, and our children.


Furthermore, I acknowledge that there are cheaters,thieves and liars EVERYwhere. My point was that the ratio appears much higher here than in places with otherwise "bad reputations." Like New Jersey. And New York.

Again, in my naivete, I expected Montrose to be better.

And finally, in response to jjj2114's Title ("Montrose, Co vs. New Jersey? Come on, Mr. Whistler."):

"vs.?" Is this a competition? A comparison? If so, then New Jersey actually would come ahead of Montrose in regards to percentage of honest vs. dishonest businesses, based on MY experiences. (Your results may vary.)

(Maybe this is why Colorado has such weak health inspection laws for restaurants. A crooked restaurateur is better than an honest diner?)

15 years ago I would have scoffed at such a statement re Montrose vs. New Jersey. But now, after numerous ripoffs, I know better.


I have stated my position.

Perhaps jjj2114 would like to clarify his/her position.

Either jjj2114 supports the crooks or he/she doesn't. Right now, it looks like he/she supports the crooks.


Remember: Paul Revere was a whistle blower. Whose side are YOU on?

Mr. Whistler:
In order to be ripped off as many times as you describe, I wonder if you were performing your due diligence with each unhappy transaction. If you were indeed doing your homework, how could you possibly be ripped off so many times, by so many different people? Were you asleep?

I admit, Rac Transport out of Montrose is a pretty weak business. You can be sure, if Rac is delivering your item, it will either be extremely late, damaged, or delivered to your neighbor; all by a driver with a bad attitude. I agree there. However, this is such a remote area, we often don't have a choice of freight carriers, which is why they thrive.

I disagree strongly with the characterization of the entire town of Montrose, Colorado as a "bad place to live" because it's people are so immoral, unethical, and zenophobic (look it up.) That's ridiculous. I've lived near the great town for 13 years myself; and I can say, I've never, ever had a "rip off" experience there. It's just immature to lable a town in such a manner, when it's clearly a personal issue. Perhaps if you asked around, got references to solid service providers, and approached transactions with a positive attitude, you may just get positive results. Try it. You may be amazed.

In the meantime, don't besmirch my town. A lot of folks love it here, including me. If I lived in a place for 14 years for which I had the bitterness you possess about Montrose, I'd surely find another place to call home rather than blame the town itself for my unhappiness.

In other words, please, do all of us a favor: go back to Jersey.

jjj2114

I tried to add a post to this, but the button did nothing. So I am replying through the rebuttal button. (Sorry, but fix the button!)

Anyway, I am a friend of a man who worked for RAC in Montrose. I can tell you they have treated him very bad too.

Although he had only one day of work missed in about 2 year working for them, they would not let him have time off for something that was very, very important to him.

He was jerked around several times, over several issues, and finally walked out.

Then, of course, he was told how important he was, and promised stuff if he returned that he never got. So he left again.

I will speak with him and see if he will register his own personal complaint, in order to validify my statements.

Unfortunately, Montrose, Colorado seems to be a bad place to work and live. Especially if you have half a brain.

One plumber I worked for ripped off his employees by not paying overtime. Instead, he "credited" them with vacation hours, but only for straight time, not at the legally required time-and-a-half.

So not only was he cheating his employees out of thousands of dollars a year, simply because they did not know they were legally entitled to overtime. He was also cheating the honest business men in the area who have to pay their employees time-and-a-half. (The dishonest employer can illegitimately under-bid his competitors.)

He was also cheating the IRS (and all honest taxpayers who must pick up the dead-beat's share of taxes).

(This was the second employer whom I found out was doing this. Apparently it may be a regular scam out here. The second one was eventually caught and forced to pay back tens of thousands of dollars of back taxes and penalties.)

I found out from other employees that the plumber didn't like me once he found out - unfortunately for him - that I know payroll like the back of my hand, including 90% or more of the relevant laws. (I developed and maintained several payroll systems when I was a computer Systems Analyst.)

I have lived in Montrose for over 14 years, and have been ripped of by more people and businesses than when I lived in New Jersey for 20+ years as an adult. And Jersey gets a bad rap along with New York. Well, I'll tell you, this "Good Ole Boy" community of Montrose seems to have more liars and crooks than Jersey. Unless you're somebody's relative, you seem to be fair game. And they think "fair" means getting to steal from people as long as you're a "native."

I have been ripped of by: A transmission repair service, an excavator, the local hospital (I will do a new post on them), and about six or more individual persons.

Another trick by the employers out here is to hire illegals to work on their farm or ranch for the summer, and then not pay them at the end of the season, knowing they have no legal recourse. No matter what you think about immigrants - and we're all descendants of immigrants - mine have been documented back to the 1600s - lying and cheating anybody is immoral.

Now I know why they don't like the idea of new people moving into this town. Knowledgeable people don't make good victims.

The Whistler