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Complaint Review: TrueCar - Santa Monica CA

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  • Reported By: Won Hung Low — Big D Great South Central United States
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  • TrueCar 120 Broadway, Suite 200 Santa Monica , CA United States

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Here is the full text so far from the BBB complaint I filed. YOU be the judge.

BBB CASE#: 708723

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Complaint filed by: XXXXXXXXX    (More) Complaint filed against: TrueCar.com    (More) Complaint status: Activity Date Activity Description 07/02/2019  BBB Reviews Consumer Rebuttal to Business Response  (The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
Auto Web Expo is an accredited member of the dealer network that pays for all of TrueCar's operations. The dealer and TrueCar share responsibility for truth-in-advertising.
What both have displayed is false advertising, plain and simple.
That TrueCar's response does not contain a single word of contrition or responsibility (and therefore, no offer of compromise); shows exactly that my allegations are valid.
I did not have any expectations that the BBB would actually assist: as its model is the same as TrueCar's: the entire business is paid for my it's members who pay substantial amounts to BBB for the benefit of the "A+" and Accredited ratings.

It's enough money that my next steps include complaints to the California and Texas consumer affairs units. There are enough complaints across the US that eventually one or both will take enforcement action.
  07/02/2019  Forward Business response to Consumer    07/02/2019  Receive Business Response  Thank you Mr. XXXXXXXXX . The best time to rectify any pricing issues would have been before your purchase. When you bought the vehicle as part of an as-is purchase and agreed to all pricing via your signed contract, you also agreed to all aspects of your transaction.

We thank you for using TrueCar and as you have before, please reach out to us directly for any additional information.  06/28/2019  Notify Business of Dispute    06/28/2019  Send Acknowledgement to Consumer    06/28/2019  Case Reviewed by BBB    06/27/2019  Case Received by BBB               (Less) Case Description: Fails to enforce Certificate features including price.
Here is the text of my email to TrueCar which explains the issues:
Greetings -

I'd like to understand what the attached certificate really means, because I purchased
the car today and I was not impressed with the dealer's answers or the actual condition.

1. The dealer put on a $1500 "reconditioning" fee. How does that reflect the "Upfront Price"
when the dealer told me they charge this fee (or more) on every car? Because the tires only
have 2/32nds (before warning bar), I asked the dealer to take $400 off. So the price before tax was $40,799 - not $40,135. That's 1.5% more.

2. The car was not washed. While I was watching, they sent a guy with some rags and Armor-all to wipe off the car inside and out - leaving oily fingerprints everywhere. Tire pressure were not checked.
Fluids were not topped off.

3. Does "scheduled maintenance" mean the maintenance due up to the time of purchase
or some period after? The reason I ask is because the engine oil light came on, which resulted
in almost an hour at their other facility for someone to learn how to reset the oil level
setting.
Per the attached page 10, no service was performed (at least, none recorded)
since the vehicle was received by Auto Web since 10 JAN 2019.

For further example, the following BMW service interval maintenance was not done:
Air filter (Replace)(Every)36,000 miles
Brake fluid (Flush/replace)(Every)30,000 miles

So, while this car sold at a big discount compared to the average market value - because it has a 
permanently clouded title (due to the Lemon Law buyback); TrueCar, the dealer and I had an
agreement, So far, this collection is mostly minor annoyances. The tires are the biggest part -
since I will have to replace them at the end of the Summer for about $1600. Dealers should not
be stating that the recondition fee includes replacement tires when the tread life is below 50% - when that
obviously is not what happened. (The original tread depth is 10/32nds. 6/32nds are gone. Only 40%
remains.)
I spoke with Crystal at TrueCar the next day, and then with her Escalation Representative, Lisa who informed me that since I did not contact TrueCar prior to the actual purchase (!), there was nothing TrueCar could or would do.

Extra Detailed Info Date of last interaction with business: 06/18/2019 BBB Designated Category: Service Issues  Case opened date: 06/28/2019  Case closed date:   Desired Resolution: I am seeking the difference between the actual price paid (base car) and the TrueCar Upfront Price as stated on...     (More)

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#6 Consumer Comment

Very Typical Low IQ Response!

AUTHOR: The Dog - (United States)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 03, 2019

 Poor Texas whatever. Since Robert and Coast BOTH hit the nail directly on the head, poor Texas Boozer has absolutely ZERO intelligent rebuttal! So what does he, she or it say?

Oh, you must work for them or some other variation! We've seen it here hundreds of times. You can always rebut them, but you can't, can you? Now's the time for you to write back, "You must work for them!"

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#5 Consumer Comment

Sorry

AUTHOR: Robert - (United States)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 03, 2019

Sorry but most of your items are just a case of buyer's remorse, and things that if you really had a problem with should have been brought up and dealt with BEFORE you purchased the car.

If you have any remaining disputes, it may ONLY be on the tires. But that depends on several factors.

Do you have something in writing that states if the tire is less than 50% wear they are replaced. If you don't have that, you don't have a claim.

Do you have proof that you were sold tires with less than 50% wear?

You also stated you KNOWINGLY and in agreement with the dealer to purchase the car with a "clouded" title. In this transaction did this agreement in any way negate the requirement for them to replace the tires.

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#4 Author of original report

You write like the bottom 1% - either a lawyer, a dealer, or both.

AUTHOR: TexasBruiser - (United States)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 03, 2019

I have ZERO buyer regret. When people (like you) don't follow contractural agreements, there are consequences. You can't excape justice forever.

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#3 Consumer Comment

I'd Have To Side With the Dealer On That One...

AUTHOR: Jim - (United States)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 03, 2019

I mean everyone pretty much knows filing with the BBB is a waste since they have no authority to do anything under the law - whether the business is a member of the BBB, or not - so to actually file a complaint when you even said it was a waste, seems strange.  But I digress....

You purchased the BMW and then decided to perform some kind of price reconciliation after the purchase was completed, which I really don't understand why you decided after the fact to do it.  The time to actually do any of that was before the purchase was complete, and if you didn't like what they were doing, then you simply walk away. 

Talking about worn tires that should have been replaced,  or fluids or scheduled maintenance, or anything else after the fact is a total and complete waste.  If you have some sort of dispute, the time to do it was before the deal was completed, not after.  Judging the dealer post-transaction on a used car sounds more like remorse.

You also aren't going to need to buy tires before the end of the summer.  If the tires had 40% of their tread life remaining per your narrative, then there is no need to replace tires until maybe end of year, or beginning of next.  I mean you'd have to be driving something close to 100,000 miles per year to need tires by September. 

In addition, I would not rely on Auto Web, or Carfax, or any other kind of report with regards to maintenance or service on a vehicle.  All of the information contained in these reports assumes the mechanic would have input the information into the car's VIN once the work is completed.  More often than not, the information is not input.

If you're asking us to judge....I'd have to side with the dealer....

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#2 Author of original report

Then, Sir, you do not understand the facts.

AUTHOR: Texas Bruiser - (United States)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 03, 2019

There were plenty of discussions before and during the sale.

Your judgement is faulty since you were not there and all the facts were not posted to ROR.

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#1 Consumer Comment

That's Your New Ride

AUTHOR: coast - (United States)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 02, 2019

The cost of the vehicle is the cost you agreed to as noted on the sales agreement. The agreement does not extend beyond the four corners of that written agreement.

Your dissatisfaction with the cost and condition of the vehicle indicates you are suffering from a case of buyer’s remorse. No consumer agency can remedy that. Happy motoring!

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