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Complaint Review: HSBC - Mettawa Lake Illinois

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  • HSBC 26525 North Riverwoods Boulevard Mettawa Lake, Illinois U.S.A.

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Ii's obvious that my wife and I have plenty of company, just as the several HSBC "customer service" representatives and "supervisors" I've screamed-at since last Friday (20 February '09) have told me. According to one of those supervisors, it seems we are all now members of HSBC's "90% club"!

Yes folks, we are in the same boat as you. I discovered only be chance (while checking the status of a transaction on the HSBC, or what some of you know as the "Account Central", website) that both of our credit limits were slashed, without warning, to the extent that neither of us could even pick-up the tab for an HSBC executive lunch with the amount of available credit left to us. I'm talking about going from almost $5,000 available down to $194, in the case of my wife. I guess they must like me; I still have $290 to spend.

I've heard all of the same scripted crap (from every HSBC person I attempted to speak with) that you have: "business decision", "nothing personal", "no reflection on your record with us, which is excellent", "because of the economy", and "you'll be receiving a letter".

Friends, HSBC has handed each of us a huge crate of lemons. My question to you is this: are you going to simply knash your teeth and vent your rage, or resolve yourselves to mixing-up a huge batch of lemonaide?

I would like to propose a course of action for each and every one of you to follow, without delay. I make no claim to this being "THE" course of action; I'm open to any different or additional ideas that will facilitate hitting this company from as many different directions as possible. It is "A" course of action, one that I have already initiated, and I could sure use as many allies as possible.

First, go to the "Federal Government" listings located near the front of your telephone book. Locate and record the names and telephone numbers for both of the U.S. Senators from your state and ALL of your state's Representatives. Call every one of them; obtain their mailing addresses and Fax numbers.

Be aware that the Representatives' staffers will probably ask where you live & direct you to contact only the Congressman/woman for your congressional district. Get the information for every one that you can, anyway.

Next, contact your state's Office of Consumer Protection (or whatever they might call it where you are). Tell them your story, find-out how to get their complaint form(s) and any specific instructions they might have to give you, and initiate action to get the forms.

At this point, the fun begins! You will again be contacting HSBC, but you will not be dealing with those people you've spoken-to up to this point. Address your correspondence as follows:

Mr. Brendan McDonagh
HSBC-CEO of North American Operations
26525 North Riverwoods Boulevard
Mettawa Lake, IL 60045

Telephone (224) 554-6676 or (224) 544-6677
Fax (224) 552-6677

It is critical that you WRITE to this guy; don't just try calling them. Even if he does talk to you, telephone calls are easy to deny later. Well-crafted paper trails are not, especially when there are plenty of them.

Describe the specific details of what HSBC has done to you. Oh yeah, he's already well-aware of what they've done to you, but tell your story, anyway. Remember: PAPER TRAIL. Along with those details of your situation, do not hesitate for one second to tell him exactly how you feel about it (My correspondence to him was six pages long).

Make sure that you include a "Cc" section at the end of your correspondence listing everyone else to whom you will be sending a copy of what he (or whomever he has reading his stuff for him) has just read. I will simply show you what mine looked like; EXCEPT FOR THAT FIRST NAME ON THE LIST, you will, of course, use the names/agencies specific to the state in which you live.

EXAMPLE:

Cc:
President Barack H. Obama
Senator Daniel K. Akaka
Senator Daniel K. Inouye
Congressman Neil Abercrombie
Congresswoman Mazie Hirono
Hawaii State Office of Consumer Protection

Next, making sure that you have sufficient copies of your letter for everyone on that "Cc" list, forward your letter to Mr. McDonagh. If you choose to fax it to the number provided above (assuming they don't turn it off), ensure you do so from a machine that can generate a fax transmission report. If you opt to mail it (or have to, due to the fax being unavailable), ensure that you send it with delivery confirmation, at a minimum. Whichever you choose, just remember: paper trail, paper trail, paper trail!

Next, you will be preparing another letter, to be addressed as follows:

President Barack H. Obama
The White House
Washington, DC 20500

Fax (202) 456-2461

Note that the address above is correct, even though it does not include the street number/name. This is the address you will be given via recording if, by chance, you choose to try calling the White House Comment Line at (202) 456-1111. Be forewarned that you will be on hold for an extremely long time if you do.

In your letter to President Obama, summarize your situation, referencing the letter you sent to HSBC; the HSBC letter will be included as an attachment. Reitterate how you feel and specifically request investigations into the practices of HSBC, specifically, and the credit card industry in the U.S., in general.

Again, you will fax and/or mail your corresponce (letter to the President with your earlier letter to HSBC attached) to the White House, ensuring that you obtain a fax transmission report and/or use delivery confirmation.

The next several steps involve simply repeating what you did in the last one, in that you will prepare cover letters for each of the Senators and Representatives on your "Cc" list and forward them with copies of the HSBC letter included as attachments. The easiest method is to use the same cover letter sent to the President, simply editing each one for it's respective recipient, since you should be telling them the same things, and requesting the same things of them.

Finally, for the time being anyway, forward that complaint to your state's Office of Consumer Protection (or equivalent agency). You will again be attaching copies of the correspondence you sent to HSBC. Regardless of what you may think of your state agencies, you might be pleasantly surprised by the response you get once they see who else is on that "Cc" list along with them, as they will not want to be the ones caught with their knickers down!

Well, there you have it (for now, at least)! I hope I have provided information that will prove useful to each of you, and that each of you WILL use it. The people in charge of HSBC, and other companies of similar ilk, enjoy their power over us only because too many of us so often choose to remain silent.

Don't give them the satisfaction!



William
Waipahu, Hawaii
U.S.A.

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AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Let me first start off by saying yes I am one of the HSBC card holders that this was done to. I am not really upset about the WHAT but the HOW. The way this was done has determined how I deal with companies in the future that use HSBC as a lender.

There is a fundemental flaw in your argument. In that this was not your money. They are extending you credit and yes per the agreement they can adjust the credit limit or even close out your account at any time. They DO NOT need a reason. But they took the "any time" too far IMO. In that they put the cart before the horse and cut the limit deciding to tell the people after the fact, although I still have yet to receive my "letter".

As I said I really don't care that my limit was cut because I know it is not my money, but how it was cut. They did this about 2 days after my statement went out. The statement still showed the old limit, so it "appears" that you have all of this open credit. For people that do not access their account on-line they would have no idea this happened until either a)They got declined for a purchase(very embarassing), b)They receive their next statement(where they could be over the new limit they didn't know they had), c)Get a letter that may or may not come. Anyone who is all of the sudden charged over the limit fees because of this, I think have a very good case for a lawsuit(and this is rare for me to say).

Writing all of those people may help you vent, but in reality it won't go anywhere. Call me a pesimist if you must. The biggest thing I can suggest is to close out any and all HSBC accounts all together. They run several "store branded" cards also, I can't really name them here because it would probably be redacted but just search for "HSBC store branded cards" and you will see several major retail chains. After all if they want to go out of business, then why not help them out.

The same day I found out about the cut, and before I closed it out. I was receiving 2-3 calls per day from their sales department trying to sell me additional "services"...now that's FUNNY.

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AUTHOR: William - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Kathy-

When you say that you have a printout of your payments, I am assuming you mean the printout available from the HSBC website.

I also hope that you have kept all of your monthly account statements from HSBC, as well as the monthly bank statements for whatever account your HSBC payments were made from.

Here's the deal. While a printout of your payments from HSBC, themselves, might be nice (since it IS from them), remember that it IS their website. As such they can always claim that they made mistakes in their own reporting to you, and that the printout is not accurate. These days, I would not put something like that past them.

Your monthly HSBC account statements are another story. Since these include much more blow-by-blow detail, such as amounts and dates of each transaction, including any late charges to your account, they would be much more hard-pressed to attempt lying after the fact about the information contained within them.

Your bank statements serve as verification of the payment information contained within the previously-mentioned documents.

If you have these things I have mentioned, I would then contact your union representative to request that they either provide you a written statement regarding HSBC telling them that you were late in paying your account "many times", or that they would be willing to so testify in a court of law, if necessary, or both.

If you have/get the things I've mentioned, I would then seriously consider hiring an attorney.

At the moment anyone from HSBC knowingly communicates a false statement about you (or your conduct) to a third party, in a manner that could serve no purpose other than to lower your reputation and/or credibility in the eyes of the person(s) to whom the falsehood is communicated, he or she has committed "Defamation of Character" against you.

An attorney will be able to determine whether or not you have (or can obtain) sufficient evidence to pursue a defamation lawsuit, and whether the defamation against you was slander, libel (generally considered the more serious of the two) or some combination thereof.

Good luck with your situation!

William

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#4 Consumer Comment

They screwed me too

AUTHOR: Kathy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 25, 2009

I had one of thier cards since 2001. When I had been off work due to surgery, I called them to say my payment for that month would be late.(2 weeks) When I went to activate my new card 3 months later, I found out they closed the account right after I made the phone call to them. I asked what was going on. Thier response to me was "We can close your account when ever we want to without any reason" I was floored! I contacted my union, Because this was a Unioncard, They said they checked into it and that hsbc told them I had been late in paying many times. It just so happened that I had a print out of all payments ever made to them and only the one that I originally called about in the first place was ever late. I am still working on getting my union, IFCW to take away thier endorsement
of this lying company.

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They screwed me too

AUTHOR: Kathy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 25, 2009

I had one of thier cards since 2001. When I had been off work due to surgery, I called them to say my payment for that month would be late.(2 weeks) When I went to activate my new card 3 months later, I found out they closed the account right after I made the phone call to them. I asked what was going on. Thier response to me was "We can close your account when ever we want to without any reason" I was floored! I contacted my union, Because this was a Unioncard, They said they checked into it and that hsbc told them I had been late in paying many times. It just so happened that I had a print out of all payments ever made to them and only the one that I originally called about in the first place was ever late. I am still working on getting my union, IFCW to take away thier endorsement
of this lying company.

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They screwed me too

AUTHOR: Kathy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 25, 2009

I had one of thier cards since 2001. When I had been off work due to surgery, I called them to say my payment for that month would be late.(2 weeks) When I went to activate my new card 3 months later, I found out they closed the account right after I made the phone call to them. I asked what was going on. Thier response to me was "We can close your account when ever we want to without any reason" I was floored! I contacted my union, Because this was a Unioncard, They said they checked into it and that hsbc told them I had been late in paying many times. It just so happened that I had a print out of all payments ever made to them and only the one that I originally called about in the first place was ever late. I am still working on getting my union, IFCW to take away thier endorsement
of this lying company.

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They screwed me too

AUTHOR: Kathy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 25, 2009

I had one of thier cards since 2001. When I had been off work due to surgery, I called them to say my payment for that month would be late.(2 weeks) When I went to activate my new card 3 months later, I found out they closed the account right after I made the phone call to them. I asked what was going on. Thier response to me was "We can close your account when ever we want to without any reason" I was floored! I contacted my union, Because this was a Unioncard, They said they checked into it and that hsbc told them I had been late in paying many times. It just so happened that I had a print out of all payments ever made to them and only the one that I originally called about in the first place was ever late. I am still working on getting my union, IFCW to take away thier endorsement
of this lying company.

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