Report: #393308

Complaint Review: Pathfinder Business Strategies

  • Submitted: Thu, November 20, 2008
  • Updated: Sat, October 13, 2012
  • Reported By: Mountain View California
  • Pathfinder Business Strategies
    10315 102nd Terrace
    Sebastian, Florida
    United States of America

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SPECIAL UPDATE: October 13 2012: Pathfinder Business Strategies remains committed to increased customer satisfaction and has improved their business practices over the years to better serve their customers. Pathfinder Business Strategies is truly dedicated to making sure their customers are satisfied and that any complaints which do arise are addressed promptly and fairly.

To date, Pathfinder Business Strategies has made good faith efforts to resolve all complaints reported on Ripoff Report. Based on our experience, the member business has proven to be among the top members of the Ripoff Report Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation and Customer Satisfaction Program as a Verified Safe Business.

Over time and since becoming a member, Pathfinder Business Strategies has remained actively engaged and improving the way they address customer service complaints. As an active and current member of the Ripoff Report Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation and Customer Satisfaction Program we are happy to report that now more than ever Pathfinder Business Strategies remains committed to improving customer satisfaction.

Remember, no company or individual can ever satisfy 100% of the people 100% of the time. There are no products or services that will always be perfect for everyone and even the best companies will receive complaints from time to time. However, by participating in the Corporate Advocacy Program, the member business has made a commitment to working with its customers to resolve complaints quickly and fairly whenever possible.

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EDitor's UPDATE:

Positive Rating and Recognition has been given to for its Commitment to Excellence in customer service.

Rip-off Report's review of Pathfinder Business Strategies and Drew Miles uncovered an ongoing commitment to total client satisfaction. This means that potential clients can expect the company will always work towards finding a mutually satisfactory resolution to any complaints or concerns; more importantly, executives at Pathfinder Business Strateiges are concerned with the immediate & long-term success of their distributors and, Pathfinder Business Strategies is listening carefully to the feedback its clients give. As Drew Miles stated, After all, when becoming creative to make things better, making changes to improve the business isn't always easy, but it's well worth the effort that's required for constant improvement.

One top executive of the company stated to Rip-off Report that, Pathfinder Business Strategies corporate philosophy is based on the premise that Pathfinder Business Strategies will continually seek improvement in every aspect in every department of the company. From the first phone call we are committed to excellence. Because we listen to our clients, we know what needs to get done.

Rip-off Report has confirmed that Pathfinder Business Strategies employs a seasoned, professional staff specifically dedicated to helping their clients succeed. Couple this with the company's Support Center, and you have a support program that is top-notch. Perhaps this is the reason why Pathfinder Business Strategies has never had a single complaint with any governmental agency. This is remarkable considering the company has been in business for many years and has saved thousands of people thousands of dollars in taxes while helping them protect their assets!

Rip-off Report has also discovered that majority of reports posted against Pathfinder Business Strategies and Drew Miles were all from the same person who is a competitor attempting to slander their good name by filing the bogus reports. Rip-off Report is occasionally abused this way, so we remind everyone that it is illegal to use Rip-off Report to slander any person or business.

It is our opinion that potential clients can feel confident in the fact that Pathfinder Business Strategies and Drew Miles have worked with thousands of clients and have successfully helped these people save money in taxes. ..any problems with any member of the Corporate Advocacy Program.. consumers should just contact us here at Rip-off Report..

In summary, after our review, which included discussions with Drew Miles, Rip-off Report is convinced that the company has been and is committed to quality delivery of its products and services resulting in total & complete client satisfaction.

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===================== Pathfinder Business Strategies - Pathfinder Business Strategies/Drew Miles organization is a scam. They rip off people by promising to save taxes. Sebastian Florida

Pathfinder Business Strategies program is nothing but a scam to get people to pay for Diamond program which is a basic tax help. They have different grades of programs of which the Silver program is at 10% of the Diamond program. What they deliver with the Diamond program is nothing but a cookie-cutter bound document fed into a basic finance program with questions and answers. Why does one have to pay $25,000 for a simple program which can be gotten for less than $100 and a report printed from it? Our efforts to work with Pathfinder are a waste of time as they are unable to perform on their guarantee. They insist they have provided excellent service and we feel it is mediocre at the best. They claimed they are geniuses with breakthrough advice and guarantees. It is a combination of over promising the product, coaches that are not experienced in working on advanced strategies, pitching strategies that their team doesn't understand, and pitching strategies that may be too aggressive.

Their so called strategies are empty promises. The problem is Pathfinder report contains obviously known strategies or strategies we are already using or possible fraudulent strategies. Here are the basic issues we disagree with them:

1) In the course of the coaching, there actually was no coaching. It was their two coaches asking redundant questions week after week. We really got nowhere on coaching and all they did was read off the report. In fact, we thought we were still going to get into the meat of the coaching program only to find out THAT WAS the coaching program. They need to reevaluate the credentials of their coaches and not criticize their client's accountant's capability. 2) They suggest forming a separate company as a shifting method to defer income to another corporation. From our perspective, this is tax deferral not reduction 3) Even for the Diamond program their basic strategies are same ones repeated in CDs and conferences they sell. 4) They push strategies such as the Treasure Coast Trust and Freedom Plus System which their coaches had no idea how they worked. We do not feel comfortable about the Treasure Coast Trust as we do not have enough specifics on the structure and we have not seen anything on paper about the Freedom Plus System. They cannot count these strategies towards the $100,000 tax savings as we believe the IRS does not endorse tax evasion programs like these.

They are pretty good at stalling by asking for more and more of your personal and business financials to avoid fulfilling the guarantee. The coaches hardly use the information you give them as they just put some numbers in the cookie-cutter report and they are done. They merely get around by ridiculing professional accountants and IRS to attract customers. We provided them the same financial data as to our accountant, but Pathfinder will keep on asking for more and more in steps until you are frustrated. If they are confident of their abilities and their guarantee then they should not have a problem with this. If they cannot fulfill the guarantee which they did not, they are required to return additional 10% for their failure by their own terms. To put an end to our regrets of getting help from Pathfinder we agreed to pay them for the Silver program, however they do not want to live up to their guarantee. We did not see a difference between their Silver and their Diamond program and so we offered to pay for what was fair.

Unfortunately, the bank did not refund our money as we did not have a credit slip from Pathfinder. However, they know how to outsmart the credit card companies.

In summary, Pathfinder exactly knows how far they can commit the fraud and therefore they make the guarantees but do not honor them. They know how to be sleazy and screw the customer. This complaint is worthy of this web site as Pathfinder is a RIP-OFF

Dissatisfied Member Mountain View, California

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#1 Consumer Comment

I just completed my first IRA transaction. [I made a] 47,650.00 profit in 14 days.

AUTHOR: Pathfinder Business Strategies - (U.S.A.)

I met Drew Miles less than a year ago. The things that I heard Drew speak of with regard to the IRA Direct literally made my heart pound. I approached Drew at the break and was impressed with him in general and his knowledge and delivery of this knowledge to say the least. I was sold.

I enrolled in Drew's IRA Wealth System and Drew's Mentoring!

Since that time, I have had the pleasant experience of knowing that Drew was only an email away and I had a Mentor that would listen and than help us take the correct direction that made the most sense for us and our situation and still taking into account our future goals and aspirations.

Drew I would first like to thank you and next like to thank you again for the help in setting up my IRA Direct. My wife and I have since ordered a LLC and Our FLP from Drew and most importantly know how and why to us it!

P.S. I just completed my first IRA transaction. [I made a] 47,650.00 profit in 14 days.

I Love This Man!


James H

Chander, AZ
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#2 Consumer Comment

I have learned tangible specific strategies to significantly drop my taxes and protect my assets for the long term.

AUTHOR: Pathfinder Business Strategies - (U.S.A.)

have been associated with Drew Miles and the Pathfinder organization for several years now. I have learned tangible specific strategies to significantly drop my taxes and protect my assets for the long term. I have found through my own due diligence, their suggestions and recommendations to be credible and effective. I have been in business over 13 years and always took advantage of the tax code to some degree but after consulting with Pathfinder and Drew Miles, I was able to identify a lot of fruit left on the tree. Thank You for helping to make my business more profitable and secure moving forward in these interesting times. Michael Q President The HRC Group Inc.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Pathfinder--to include Pathfinder's magazine, The Pinnacle--has helped us by . . .

AUTHOR: Pathfinder Business Strategies - (U.S.A.)

Pathfinder--to include Pathfinder's magazine, The Pinnacle--has helped us by learning and implementing:

1) better corporate file organization (e.g., having a Document Retention Policy, receipt recordings)

2) Trusts

3) entity structuring (i.e., advantages/disadvantages)

4) banking accounts for corporate necessities.

5) IRS audit proofing (e.g., documents, corporate contracts)

6) tax strategies

7) tax code updates (i.e., new, discontinued, modified)

8) future tax issues [In the October 2008 Tax Boot Camp, Pathfinders talked about S-corps [and LLCs treated as S-corp] if not already paying FICA to start paying FICA, as IRS is looking into those companies that only pay themselves dividends and not income to avoid having to pay FICA. The April 17, 2009 issue of The Kiplinger Tax Letter, page 1, stated that "Businesses should brace for a number of proposed tax tightenings," one being the FICA issues Pathfinders spoke about at the Tax Boot Camp.]

9) employee issues

all essential in strengthening our corporation.

Richard M
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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

I will gladly do everything I can to complete the clients Diamond Coaching Program and provide the desired results.

AUTHOR: Pathfinder Business Strategies - (U.S.A.)

Drew Miles here. It upsets me to learn that one of our clients was disappointed with our services. We have worked with over 4,000 business owners and investors and by and large, the majority of them are very pleased.

Our Diamond level clients are each assigned a team of highly qualified tax professionals; one is a tax attorney and the other a certified public accountant. The program is delivered over a 5 to 6 month time frame and each session is approximately 90 minutes long and is designed to give ample time for the client to get answers to all of their questions.

We also recommend and welcome the participation of our client's financial team including their accountant or CPA. The purpose is to allow our professionals to talk to our client's professionals so their technical questions can be understood and answered.

Of course, in order to do our job properly, our team must be provided with the client's current financial information. This includes basic things like current and prior tax returns, QuickBooks files, etc. While it seems like the person from Mountain View felt we were pestering him or her, this information is essential to our doing a thorough job.

The strategies that Pathfinder endorses are all legal and we provide our clients with the appropriate tax code sections, revenue rulings, and case law at their request. An added benefit it that we help people audit proof their records; as we find most people have poor documentation. The written analysis and report that we provide our clients was designed exclusively by me and a team of CPAs and tax attorneys. Because each client's financial arrangements are unique, each report we prepare is personal and specific to the particular client.

Also, our strategies are designed to permanently reduce our client's taxes not merely delay them as was suggested. Sometimes this requires a two step process and you need to complete both steps to get the desired result.

I am unable to determine the identity of this client, so I would welcome a personal call. My direct phone line is 772-228-7702. I will gladly do everything I can to complete the clients Diamond Coaching Program and provide the desired results.
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