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Complaint Review: Autolumination - Internet

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Autolumination Major Customer Service Issues Higley, AZ Internet

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 Well, first let me say, I wish I would have "googled" this company before ordering parts from them, on almost every website they are rated 2 stars or less, and for good reason. I ordered a pair of head lamps from them, and when ordering you cannot choose a shipping adress that differs from your billing address (this is for consumer protection and I don't mind that) because I'm active duty military my shipping address changes often so I leave my billing address as my home address. After placing my order(Sunday) and using my billing adress as the shipping adress, I contacted Tracy at Autolumination and asked if they could send it to the correct address, she said they couldn't do it because the item had already been shipped. That was her first lie, I called the post office and they said they had yet to receive the package but the label had been created. So basically they were just lazy and did not want to make a new label. This was fine because my mail is forwarded so it just had to go to RI before actually arriving to me in CA. The next issue was the USPS fault, they Impropperly forwarded the item, and it got returned to their PO box, so I contacted Tracy again saying this (copy and pasted from email) Hello, When I first placed my order a while ago I contacted you guys to try to switch my address, however ou had already shipped the package. I have still not received it. After a lengthy phone call with USPS they said the package has been returned to you guys. The tracking number is https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction_input?qtc_tLabels1=9400109699939911938027 Any info you could give would be appreciated. It has been over 2 weeks since I placed the order. Because I am military my shipping and billing addresses are different, your system does not Le you choose a shipping address that differs from the address your card is linked to. Thank you. Andy and this was her exact response (copy and pasted from email) Hi I am out of the office in AZ this week, but will be back this weekend. I will be picking up the mail then. I do see from the tracking that it should be there in our PO Box. Please provide a current and complete shipping address. We will invoice you for the s/h to reship it, and then send it wherever you want. Thanks, Tracy Now, call me crazy but the customer should never have to pay for an issue that was not their fault. In no way could I control that USPS forwarded the package to them instead of me. All they would have done would re-write my correct address and ship it again. (I verified that through USPS, she called that fraud in a future email.) So I went ahead and did their companies job for them, and called Their post office and asked them to forward the package to me, conversation went something like this... Me:hey could you guys do this? Post office: Sure it's on the way. But that was after speaking to USPS customer service for about an hour trying to figure out what to do. The next email is one I sent to her about the issue in its entirety. So I replied with this email (copy and pasted from email) Tracy, I think it a little bit crazy you asked me to pay shipping and handling again, all you would have to do is write my new address and use the same label you already used. The USPS messed up, however I contacted them and had them pull the package out of your box and did your company's job for them. I was planning on ordering multiple items from you guys, but given the way you handle customer service I don't think I will be doing that. The package is being forwarded to me now. In he future I would never ask a customer to pay shipping and handling when it was already paid once when the issue was not their fault. -Andy Was I somewhat rude, yes. But I fee like it was warranted. This was her reply (copy and pasted from email) Hi I am sorry, but I disagree with the premise of your argument. The error was yours. You provided an outdated shipping address, and did not notify us of this until after the package had been shipped. I don't see anything in that set of circumstances which was an error by USPS. The only way they could be involved is if you have a current, valid, forwarding order in with them for your mail and they failed to forward it. Then I agree, they made a mistake in not forwarding it per that order. Once the shipment was picked up, nothing could be done to locate the package until USPS returned it to us. They did that and according to the tracking it is sitting at the PO waiting for me to get back this weekend and pick it up. Where I strongly disagree with you is that I can't just write a new address on an existing used label. The postage has already been canceled and the label and postage are a single sheet of paper on the package. Altering the address on the shipping label after it has already been used, and reusing that postage is mail fraud. I won't do that. I would not last long as an online retailer if I made a practice of breaking Federal mail laws. If you were able to persuade the USPS postmaster in Arizona to forward it to you for free, more power to you. I have never heard of them doing that for anyone, and to be honest, it is also not legal for them to go into our PO Box and remove a package once it is delivered. They know me real well, so it is possible that if you got the right person there, they might do it. I don't see any record of them doing that when I just checked the tracking number, but since the tracking is already spent, it may not show any progress from there. If it is still in our PO mailbox when I get there this weekend, I will let you know. Thank you. Tracy So to negate a few of her "arguments" off the bat. It was not my fault. Re-writing the address is not fraud, That was the USPS suggestion. I did not "persuade" anyone... I asked they did it The package was not picked up prior to me asking for them to change the address In the first place (verified by post office) my last email I'm copying from email is the last thing I sent them aside from a screen shot proving my mail is forwarded and I have still yet to get a response. Tracy, I do have a forwarding address on file, which is why it was their mistake it went to you. Not mine. When I first emailed you asking if you could change the address and you said no because it half already been shipped that was incorrect. I called USPS and the label had been created, but it had not yet been dropped off at the post office. Also I specifically asked USPS what to do, they told me "all the company would need to do is put a label with the correct address over the old address, and send it out again, this should have been done automatically because you have a forward on file". After reading your email, I called USPS to verify that statement. If there is a forward on file, the same postage can be used and a new mailing address needs to be written. Also I did not "persuade" anyone I asked if it could be done, the woman on the phone said yes. And re-shipped it. All of that is besides the point... You asked me to re pay for shipping and handling, where would the handling be? Writing a new label? If something is not the customers fault, they should not have to pay for it. Are you the owner of this company? If not please include their email address in your next response. -Andy Please save yourself the trouble, Tracy (the owners wife) is rude, will not answer the phone (ever), and is very in willing to help. Spend the extra money and order from a reputable company. I have also filed a BBB report, but we all know how much that does. I hope I save someone in the future from the hassle I went through.

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Inaccurate, Invalid and Incomplete Report

AUTHOR: CTL - (United States of America)

POSTED: Thursday, June 09, 2016

Generally, if you file a rip-off report, then you believe that you have actually been ripped off by someone.  That's not the case here.  I am not sure what the point of this is honestly.

The first and most important aspect of this is that the customer, “Andy”, received his purchase on 5/23/16.  Andy ordered a pair of diamond blue headlights for $13.99.  There is no “rip-off” to report.  He paid, we shipped, and he received his order.  He has had no complaints to us since the receipt of his order last month.  His complaints are all related to the shipping of his order.

Second, I want to be very clear about this: Andy provided us an incorrect and outdated shipping address when he made his purchase.  This is the ONLY address he provided to us at any time prior to his shipment being picked up by USPS.  He has never disputed this.  All he seems to be saying is that his provision of the incorrect address to us is somehow not his fault.  Not sure how he gets there.

Andy placed his order with us on May 1st.  He received a receipt for that purchase from PayPal at that time which showed the shipping address on it in Rhode Island that he provided to us. The order was packed and left our hands on May 2nd.  He was sent a notification of intended shipment early on May 2nd.  He then received a second email from us a few hours later again on May 2nd, with the tracking number which again showed the shipping address on it.  Four hours after that tracking email was sent to him, Andy emailed me asking us to change the shipping address, but by that time, the package was in the hands of our carrier from USPS.  He alleges that I am lying about that, but he is, as seems to be his pattern, incorrect.  He is basing his argument on the fact that the Post Office did not scan in the package until later that day which is an uneducated argument.  Our outgoing shipments include close to 100 pcs of mail, and our carrier does not scan them at the pickup point, she scans them when she is back at the post office and has the time to take care of this since she is timed for her route speed.   He never spoke to her, he apparently called the post office in Gilbert, AZ while she was still out on her route for the day. She has a huge route, and we are midway through her afternoon stops.  She generally does not scan until after 6 at night.  That is the fact.  I am not a liar, and I am not lazy, both of which are libelous statements.  He was needlessly insulting to me when the address error was his, not ours. What he wrote in his complaint here constitutes libel.

The second failure on his part was a lack of information from him.  When I explained to him that the package had been sent already to the only address he had provided to us in his purchase, I told him that if he had a forwarding order in place that was current with USPS, that they would forward the package to that address.  He never replied to that so I had no idea if he had a forwarding order in place or not.

Ten days later he emailed to tell me the package was being returned back to AZ.  I was away at that time, but was headed back to the office soon, and would be able to grab the box when it arrived and reship then.  Since it was coming back to us, I assumed he did not have a valid forwarding order in place with USPS.  I asked him for a current, correct, and complete shipping address so I could invoice him for the postage only to reship since I would need to purchase a new shipping label from USPS for the change of address.  He replied telling me to just handwrite the correct address on the postage-canceled shipping label and turn it over to USPS again without fresh postage.   Again, he did not tell me he had a current USPS forwarding order in place, and at this point that was a relevant and substantive piece of information.  If that was the case, he should have disclosed it at that point.  I explained that I can’t change the canceled shipping label since that is mail fraud.  The rule from USPS requires that fresh postage be purchased to make an address change, with the sole exception being if there is a valid and current forwarding order in place.  I explained that which apparently sent him into a temper tantrum.

At that point instead of telling me he did have a valid forwarding order in place, he called our post office in AZ and talked with the head clerk there to see if she would forward it to him.  She talked to me about this when I was in there a few days later.  All of the clerks in the post office there had heard about his call by then since he made quite a scene with her.  She told me “he has some serious issues” (her words, not mine).  She had not delivered his package to my PO box yet, so, because he told her he is in the military and he was raising such a ruckus, she forwarded the package to him directly.  She said she did not confirm he had a forwarding order in place.  She did it as a courtesy and because he was so aggressive and argumentative with her.  Apparently, he spent a significant portion of their conversation giving her his opinion of me, none of which was flattering, and most of which was slanderous.  This is a post office I have done business through for 15 years, and his verbal assault on my character became a topic of conversation there.  Again, that is damaging on a personal level, and actionable per our legal counsel.

Once he got her assurance it would be forwarded, then and only then did he finally tell me he had a forwarding order in place.  This was never confirmed to me by USPS.  I was told the forward was done as a courtesy because he said he is military.

There is no issue here other than Andy’s failure to provide a correct address in his purchase or prior to the shipment being sent out.   The bottom line here is that he received what he paid for.  He is the only one here who made a mistake.  My telling him I could not forward his package for free was based on the belief that he did not have a forwarding order in place (since he never said that he did and since the package was already coming back to us).  That is even noted in my email to him which he included in his complaint here.  I told him then that was the only thing that would allow us not to have to pay for fresh postage on the reshipment.   Otherwise, because we had to purchase new postage for the reshipment, that meant he would have to pay for it.  Because we did not need to do that, neither did he.

In conclusion:

He received his order for the original price he paid

He provided us an incorrect shipping address.  He says that none of this was his fault, but EVERYTHING that happened with his shipment was a direct result of this single failure on his part, and his part only.  His sole responsibility in this entire purchase process was to provide a current and correct shipping address, and he failed abysmally.  He refuses to own up to that failure and has blamed everyone but himself for that single mistake.

He did not correct the wrong shipping address he provided to us in the 24 hours prior to shipment until after the package was shipped and in the hands of the USPS carrier.

He failed to disclose he had any kind of a forwarding order in place until after the package had been forwarded to him by USPS.

This entire complaint is invalid. No one was ripped off.  The only person harmed here was me since he has attacked my business and character in an online forum, all because he thinks he is safe doing that.  That's not the case.  He is not protected since I know exactly who he is.  

 

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