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- Web: http://poker.bovada.lv/
- Category: Offshore Gambling
BOVADA POKER AND ALL INTERNET POKER POKER SITES ARE CRIMINAL ENTERPRISES Internet
*Author of original report: I HAD TO THREATEN INTERPOL TO GET MONEY OUT OF AMERICAS CARD ROOM
*Author of original report: I have WON HARD CARD BRICK AND MORTAR TOURNAMENTS
*Author of original report: ONE rebuttal in over a Year
*General Comment: Your Perceptions are False
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If you have ever wondered why internet poker is a SCUMMY CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE here is why.
This is related to BOVADA Poker as well as comments about that sleaze bag “industry” as a whole.
The “cash out curse” is real. I first noticed it at Full Tilt which is hopefully dead forever.
I asked them via email what their cash out limits where. I was within one buy in of cashing out as per their guidelines. All I needed to do was come in third in one more tournament or sit and go. After I talked to them the curse began. Pocket Aces were cracked no less than five times, after that, for the next five sit and goes the best cards I received, for five sit and goes, was Ace Queen. Ace Queen is a joke of a starting hand. I was good enough to build up the account and they were sleazy enough to manipulate their random numbers generators to either crack all good starting hands by junk hands (7-2 off suit) no less than 5 times with a miracle card on the river. This went on continuously until my account was drained.
I swear to Buddha, Players Only.com did the absolute same thing. They are/were part of the MERGE Gaming Network.
At Cake Poker, it was the same thing until I saw what was happening and wanted to cash out before they drained my account. I had to threaten to turn them in to THE FEDERAL BUREAU of IVESTIGATION before they would cash me out/ GIVE MY MONEY TO ME.
DO THEY NEED TO DO THIS AND CAN THEY DO THIS. YES.
WHY?
Because the can.
Did the mafia skim off of Casinos in Las Vegas and in Cuba? YOU BET THEY DID.
WHY? Because they could and they were Greedy.
We all know of the Full Tilt and Absolute Poker Scandals. The other on line poker sites are no different.
Why do they set it up so you will eventually lose and spread your money around different accounts?
Because it keeps money in a pool against which they can borrow for other endeavors. If they cash people out, their overall pool of money drops and they have less liquidity which to borrow against. This is called money management 101. Keep your principle in your pocket and do not deplete your principle at all costs.
I know people who are owed thousands of dollars from poker sites that poker sites will not release.
BOVADA POKER TOOK OVER FOUR MONTHS to get my money to me.
PEOPLE WILL QUIT GAMBLING ONCE THEY BECOME SERIOUS AND CONSISTENT LOSERS.
Since poker started, the pros have been feeding on the fish. Poker sites do not want this to happen. The fish will not come back and re-fund their accounts if they never win. Let them win a little, which they would never do in the real world of poker with real cards and real dealers; they will re-fund their account continuously.
This is called “INTERMITTENT REINFORCEMENT”, a form of behavioral conditioning. INTERMITTENT REINFORCEMENT is FAR MORE POWERFUL that consistent positive or negative reinforcement. This why people continually play slot machines. They win once at a machine for $100.00 and they will throw away $1,000.00 to hit it again/ win again.
I know all about variance, outs, odds and probability. I successfully trade futures online. Good Poker and poker account management is simple compared to Futures Trading. I have two degrees from the UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA.
I have finished in the money in numerous real card tournaments. Online Poker is BINGO or ROULETTE. A PURE GAME of CHANCE instead of a studied approach and process by which money is made.
No poker sites available, with the exception of those, in Nevada, are monitored by any agency to insure proper functionality and fairness.
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Below is an unedited email dialogue about BOVADA POKER disconnecting me while I was involved at a sit and go at their site. I could go any where on the internet while I was kicked off by the Bovada Servers and I could even play cash games at their sites while the Bovada Sit and Go and Tournament lobbies WERE NOT AVAILABLE on their Poker Site. They kept telling me that it was my problem even though I could go any where on the internet and play cash games while I waited for the BOVADA sit and go lobby to resurrect itself. I had been a long time customer of BOVADA and they would not refund ONE sit and go buy-in.
BOVADA never answered my question about their random number generator(s) noted below in this document.
Bovada is carrying the torch for the online poker sliminess first noted in Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker among others.
EMAIL DIALOGUE WITH BOVADA FROM LAST TO FIRST:
From: " @comcast.net>
To: "Bovada Poker Customer Service" <poker@bovada.lv>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 4:47:39 PM
Subject: Re: kicked off <<#1579914-12047027#>>
Nice to know BOVADA is so professional. Please delete my account from your data base. I trade online futures and nobody has ever given me such a LAME excuse for getting Kicked off their servers and they always "even you out" when they disconnect you. If I can play cash games and your lobby, sit and go and tournaments are not even up for re-entry after I log off and reset five times and you lobbies are not there, That is a Bovada SERVER Problem. I f I am kicked off, and cannot sign back in and can go any where on the net, and can play a cash game on your site but your lobbies for tournaments and sng lobbies are lost for 15 minutes that is your problem. That is precisely what I have been told by online brokerages as well as other poker sites. Also you did not answer my questions about RNGs.
Sayonara
From: "Bovada Poker Customer Service" <poker@bovada.lv>
To: @comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:55:05 AM
Subject: RE: kicked off <<#1579914-12047027#>>
Dear
Thanks for contacting Bovada Poker Customer Service.
We are sorry to hear that you have been experiencing some technical concerns while playing in our Poker software. As mentioned in our previous correspondence, please be advised that our Poker software has different servers that lets you connect to multiple tables. Whenever you join these tables, each of them are being connected to different servers which makes it possible for you to continue playing in other tables even if you have already been disconnected or timed out in one of the tables.
In addition, we have checked the tournaments you have played, and the game has continued normally for the other seated players. We know it might seem like the connection issue is on our side, but that doesn’t seem to be true. We act responsibly when we experience service issues by refunding buy-ins and taking responsibility for the issue, so rest assured we’ll do so if you’re affected.
Our Poker Customer Service Team is available by phone and e-mail at poker@bovada.lv 24/7 to help if you need anything else.
Thanks,
Poker Customer Service
Punta Cana Poker Classic
Feel the heat of the Dominican Republic with a $5,500 Prize Package to play in the Punta Cana Poker Classic in the Dominican Republic.
--- Original Message ---
From: comcast.net>
Received: 8/15/13 9:47:11 AM SGT
To: Bovada Poker Customer Service <poker@bovada.lv>
Subject: Re: kicked off
I could go to any internet site I wished at the time of the disconnect from your servers. I could sign back in for at least 15 minutes as the sign in page/lobby for sit and goes and tournaments were not available even though I COULD PLAY Cash games. If I can play cash games and cannot get to my sit and go that is a Bovada problem. When I was allowed by Bovada to continue with the sit and go I had been blinded down to an inadequate level due to no fault of my own. I should be refunded that sit and go buy in.
I have another question. Does each table have its own RNG?
Upon being disconnected I immediately shut down the software and tried to connect (no less that 5 times) to the sit and go and tournament lobbies which were unavailable for at least 15 minutes. If you look at my account, you will see that I played some cash games waiting for the Bovada sng and tourney lobbies to be available.
My cache cleans every time I shut off my computer.
Don Lawrence
From: "Bovada Poker Customer Service" <poker@bovada.lv>
To: @comcast.net
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 2:08:04 AM
Subject: RE: kicked off <<#1579914-12047027#>>
Dear ,
Thanks for contacting Bovada Poker Customer Service.
We are sorry to hear that you have been experiencing some technical concerns while playing in our Poker software. In regards to this, please be advised that our Poker software has different servers that lets you connect to multiple tables. Whenever you join these tables, each of them are being connected to different servers which makes it possible for you to continue playing in other tables even if you have already been disconnected or timed out in one of the tables.
Experiencing lag or disconnect problems can be a common occurrence when playing any online game such as Poker. Lag concerns can be caused by different factors such as insufficient system resources and background programs that may be interfering with the game. If there are multiple programs on your computer running at the same time, this may cause interruptions that may slow down your computer as well as your internet connection.
We also have to understand that there is no perfect internet connection, no matter how fast our internet connection is, it does happen that sometimes there will be some interferences such as traffic on the network and some quick maintenance being performed by your Internet Service Provider (ISP). We do not really notice this if we are just browsing a website and doing a simple chat but with online games such as online Poker, you are playing against other players and therefore all actions are being done real time.
In the event that you encounter the same issue in the future, kindly log out and log back in to the Poker software. Clearing your history and clearing your browser's cache and cookies might help. We have instructions in the 'Technical' page of our help section:
https://www.bovada.lv/help/clearing-history
Our Poker Customer Service Team is available by phone and e-mail at poker@bovada.lv 24/7 to help if you need anything else.
Thanks,
Poker Customer Service
Punta Cana Poker Classic
Feel the heat of the Dominican Republic with a $5,500 Prize Package to play in the Punta Cana Poker Classic in the Dominican Republic.
--- Original Message ---
From: @comcast.net>
Received: 8/12/13 10:00:51 AM SGT
To: Bovada Poker Customer Service <Poker@bovada.lv>
Subject: kicked off
got kicked off sit and go. signed back on and there was no sng schedule cannot get back to sng.
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#4 Author of original report
I HAD TO THREATEN INTERPOL TO GET MONEY OUT OF AMERICAS CARD ROOM
AUTHOR: donald - ()
SUBMITTED: Friday, October 24, 2014
I thought that a poker site called AMERICA'S CARD ROOM might be honest. NOT TRUE. After I saw that there was something wrong with them, I asked that my account be closed and my money refunded to me. They took over 120 days to get a small amount of money from them.
They only got me my money after I threatened to trun them in for fraud and contract violation threatened to trun them into the Costa Rican Attorney General. No BS, I had to threaten to turn them into Interpol.
As noted previously, I had to threaten to turn Cake poker into the FBI to get my money out.
I have the emails for the last email transactions with America's Card Room. Rather than post them, I thought I would put up some other links about the corruption of internet poker.
People with the same mindset for sociopaty and fraud run all the off shore poker sites and random number generator evaluations as the people that ran Absolute Poker, Full tilt Poker and PokerStars.
The Nevada Gaming Commissions has 30 pages of requirements to which Casino's must adhere or they get shut down. There is no regulation of any online poker site by any government agency in the United States except in the State of Nevada.
READ FOR YOURSELVES:
Sorry, I cannot cut and paste in Firefox. All you need to do is google "online poker corruption" and read what long term hard card players have to say about online poker. There is also an editorial about fixing random number generators so that "disadvantaged" players do not win.
Only when random number generators and United State Gaming Agencies are allowed to monitor online poker will it be free from corruption and fraud.
#3 Author of original report
I have WON HARD CARD BRICK AND MORTAR TOURNAMENTS
AUTHOR: donald - ()
SUBMITTED: Thursday, October 23, 2014
I did notice that BOZO stated that I had to learn poker skills. I have won real card tournaments, two of them, and place in them constantly. I make my living in real card cash games.
Talk is cheap bozo. I operate in the world of cash transactions. Your winnings are computersized. Post your results for the world to see.
#2 Author of original report
ONE rebuttal in over a Year
AUTHOR: donald - ()
SUBMITTED: Thursday, October 23, 2014
One would think that if the BOZO who rebutted this report, and who mentions mathematical CALCULATIONS in said rebuttal, would understand math and probabilities.
NO ONE has come forward, except said BOZO, to offer a rebuttal IN OVER A YEAR. One can then assume, based on mathematics and probabilities, that said BOZO, is an outlier in statistical analysis, mathematics and probability based assumptions.
The internet is rife with all manner of ripoff reports about the malfeasance of CORRUPT online POKER SITES.
Not one agency in the UNITED STATES is allowed access to monitor thier lack of RANDOM NUMBERS generators.
What makes bozo think that only Bernie Madoff is interested in RIPPING PEOPLE OFF.
If these criminals are msart enough to develop their software, they are smart enough to manipulate all componenets of their transactions to commit FRAUD.
Based on the fact there has been only one rebuttal, one can, with mathematical, statistical and probability theory,assume that 99.9% of the people that read this report, and did not rebut its accuracy, believe and have found internet poker to be corrupt.
#1 General Comment
Your Perceptions are False
AUTHOR: Kahn - ()
SUBMITTED: Thursday, October 23, 2014
The human brain is not created to understand deep statistical analysis through experience. Only by understanding the concepts of mathematics can you begin to see that long tail statistical anomalies are real, and "feel weird/fake/awkward/etc"
Your entire diatribe is just another false interpretation of reality and/or paranoid delusion that everything is "rigged" for you to lose. The fact of the matter is, that you aren't good enough at the game of poker to win.
I have been a professional poker poker on the Internet for a dozen years. I've played at over 5 dozen poker sites and networks, yes, over sixty poker sites. I've won at ALL of them over the course of millions and millions of hands of poker. I know literally over one thousand professional poker players who do exactly as I do. Is your assertion that the games are "rigged" in our favor? That some grand conspiracy abounds and that "the powers that be" have all gotten together at 60+ companies over 12+ years and decided to tweak some mathematical algorithms on all of their respective poker software packages to ONLY allow certain players like me to win?
I think you need to join the rest of the delusional posters here in this appropriately titled thread on 2+2:
The Great Poker Is Rigged Debate - Collected Threads Edition
It has over three million views and is a great place to espouse this garbage that all online poker is rigged. Those of us with the skill sets necessary to win know that it is otherwise and would appreciate if you didn't try to ruin our ability to earn income by spewing your crazy theories about worldwide conspiracy.
PS. I was one of the people legitimately cheated by Absolute Poker management. They stole an unknown amount of money from me (it's very difficult to calculate such a thing) and I was refunded $47,000 USD in the end. Does that make all poker sites crooked? No. This was one incident of an owner and 2 accomplices embezzling and stealing. It happens in ALL FORMS OF BUSINESS, and is nothing to get all crazy about. It is a cost of doing business and despite that small loss, online poker is still immensely profitable for those of us willing to put in the time and effort to learn the math, the game, and master our personal psychology. I wish you the best in your pursuits of becoming a winner yourself :)
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