DSMAX, Cydcor, Granton DSMAX Great business plan however it is not executed legitimately. rip-off business Dallas Texas

I'm a sales recruiter for one of the fastest growing telecommunications companies in the US. Do to the scale and speed of our market launches we have an extremely aggressive and fast paced sales environment. I will not and cannot confirm or deny and of the practices used buy Cydcor or local offices. However, I do know that anyone who has seen success in that environment has a strong chance of continued success in the organization I represent.

I have just started searching for sales management and individual contributors throughout Texas for our upcoming market launches. I'm trying to track down any and all individuals who have seen success in a Cydcor office in any large Texas market. ****If anyone has any information regarding the names of local Cydcor affiliate offices in Texas I would greatly appreciate the help****

All of the roles I hire for have base salary, uncapped commission structures, full benefits, and extraordinary career advancement opportunities. Unfortunately, I cannot provide my contact information or company information as this is an unofficial and unsanctioned post. My goal is to find some of the best sales talent available and give those folks a true opportunity with an outstanding organization.

Thank you for your help!

You know, I've read these stupid max stories one after another. It's like the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Ok, let's assume that you have a sales force. Hundreds of individual offices. All of them ready to step up and go out hustling the junk door-to-door.

You know, that would work if you had stuff that people actually were willing to buy.

Instead, the peddlers are always pushing this stupid trash. Salt and pepper shakers. Steak knife sets. Barbecue tools. Chess and checker sets.

Here's a clue, mr max corporate purchaser. These items are not high up on anyone's must-have list of needs.

What you need to get are cool electronics. Mp3 players. Imitation Ipods. Portable DVD players for $99.

Or, how about cell accessories? Office portfolios. No-brand PDAs.

The idea is to pick stuff that people want and can use. Here's how you can tell if you got the right items.

The customers should say Hey guys, come on in. What have you got for me this week?

If the reaction is like Look, I told you people before there is no soliciting on this property. I'm calling the cops. that means you have junk and that you're just being a nuisance.

Good stuff=good reaction. Bad stuff=bad reaction.

One in 3 doors buys, not one in 43. Do you understand the difference?

BTW, if you're at max now, and only making $43 a week, you really need to face up to it. Chances are, things are never going to get any better. So, stop pretending and move on to fast-food. The pay's better and you actually get something to eat at reasonable times.

You know, I've read these stupid max stories one after another. It's like the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Ok, let's assume that you have a sales force. Hundreds of individual offices. All of them ready to step up and go out hustling the junk door-to-door.

You know, that would work if you had stuff that people actually were willing to buy.

Instead, the peddlers are always pushing this stupid trash. Salt and pepper shakers. Steak knife sets. Barbecue tools. Chess and checker sets.

Here's a clue, mr max corporate purchaser. These items are not high up on anyone's must-have list of needs.

What you need to get are cool electronics. Mp3 players. Imitation Ipods. Portable DVD players for $99.

Or, how about cell accessories? Office portfolios. No-brand PDAs.

The idea is to pick stuff that people want and can use. Here's how you can tell if you got the right items.

The customers should say Hey guys, come on in. What have you got for me this week?

If the reaction is like Look, I told you people before there is no soliciting on this property. I'm calling the cops. that means you have junk and that you're just being a nuisance.

Good stuff=good reaction. Bad stuff=bad reaction.

One in 3 doors buys, not one in 43. Do you understand the difference?

BTW, if you're at max now, and only making $43 a week, you really need to face up to it. Chances are, things are never going to get any better. So, stop pretending and move on to fast-food. The pay's better and you actually get something to eat at reasonable times.

You know, I've read these stupid max stories one after another. It's like the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Ok, let's assume that you have a sales force. Hundreds of individual offices. All of them ready to step up and go out hustling the junk door-to-door.

You know, that would work if you had stuff that people actually were willing to buy.

Instead, the peddlers are always pushing this stupid trash. Salt and pepper shakers. Steak knife sets. Barbecue tools. Chess and checker sets.

Here's a clue, mr max corporate purchaser. These items are not high up on anyone's must-have list of needs.

What you need to get are cool electronics. Mp3 players. Imitation Ipods. Portable DVD players for $99.

Or, how about cell accessories? Office portfolios. No-brand PDAs.

The idea is to pick stuff that people want and can use. Here's how you can tell if you got the right items.

The customers should say Hey guys, come on in. What have you got for me this week?

If the reaction is like Look, I told you people before there is no soliciting on this property. I'm calling the cops. that means you have junk and that you're just being a nuisance.

Good stuff=good reaction. Bad stuff=bad reaction.

One in 3 doors buys, not one in 43. Do you understand the difference?

BTW, if you're at max now, and only making $43 a week, you really need to face up to it. Chances are, things are never going to get any better. So, stop pretending and move on to fast-food. The pay's better and you actually get something to eat at reasonable times.

I onced worked for this advertising company which was at the time part of Wholesale Warehousing Industries (WWI). They consider you self-employed so they don't have to pay you any wages. They have you there busting your butt for long hours making next to nothing.

They started by taking me around door-to-door for a day with a so-called trainer then there was the interview.

After the "Welcome aboard" initiation handshake, etc, I was sent with a so-called retrainer. This so-called retrainer was lying to the customers claiming that we were students. I did question him about this, and he said that we are students in a way as the company is like an instatution. OK, so I said that to a few customers, and next thing I know, I'm fired, but they don't refere to it as being fired but because you are self-employed, they cannot consign the merchandise to you anymore.

The point is that person was supposed to be training me, and I was supposed to be following his example and they fired me for it.

I'm kinda glad they fired me though, otherwise I probably would have been sucked into their scam even further.

One hillarious thing was this cheer they used to have us shout called "JUICE." When I was there, they had decided to ban this cheer as it meant something dirty. Now I see that term posted by people who are talking about the same company. JUICE is a bad word, and the company is also a bad company.

If you see some guys lugging a big hockey bag over their shoulders full of junk or CDs that they are trying to sell you, they are most likely working for this company.

What would be more worthwile, and would speak volumes about DS-Max, is not only independantly verified claims of ownership, but a verified figure of how many of those ownerships failed.

I'd guess the failure rating to be about 85%. (This is strictly my opinion, not fact)

I am an ex owner of DS Max - sorry, I was an "owner of an independent company affiliated with DS Max" (sarcasm intended)

I could go on and on to try to rebutt all the bullshit comments coming from owners' mouths, but I won't. James said it all... Where's the proof?

I started in DS MAX in 1990. (Back then it was called WWI - Wholesale Warehousing Industries.)
I got into ownership six months later and ran an office for about four years. Sometimes I made a lot of money, sometimes I lost money. In the end it - [the lying, cheating, brainwashing (and being brainwashed) and ridiculous hours] wasn't worth it.

There is no more opportunity at DS MAX than there is in ANY other business. (including McDonalds, car cleaning, garbage collecting etc.)

PLEASE, could some idiot owner tell me who, from all the 15,000 owners (plus all the thousands who have left) has actually RETIRED. I know owners in Australia who are still WORKING after more than ten years; still coming out with the same old crap, still working 12-15 hour days, struggling to keep afloat before they get closed down.

How boring and stupid they are.

I have to go now, it's late and I have to sleep in tomorrow;

PS Don't forget to call your guys on Sunday (to make sure they come in on Monday - how pathetic!)

i worked for the advertising division in both OK. and WI for over a year. i do admit that the money was scarce when i first started but then got what they call "the juice". i was on my game climbing the ladder fast and then hit the brick wall. i ended up leaving not because i failed, but because of some of the managers decisions that my manager made. he was a new manager and really had the i'm the man attitude. i since then have joined the army and to this day use some of their leadership techniques on my soldiers, may have even saved some of them. i bear no ill will toward my old manager, or ds max at all. in fact i sometimes miss the excitement. i wasn't brain washed by them, but i can see how some would perceive it as so. i almost had the gold ring but i crashed and burned, thats just that.

My sincere apologies for saying leah instead of lee.

You were only in 6 months and they spent all that money on you for a trip? You know that the only reasons they did that is to use that as a promoting tool to a)keep you in and b)brag that they did that to other new people so that they would stay in. Sounds like the investment didn't pay off.

So why don't you go back in and get financially independant? What is stopping you?

I hope you don't. Really. The vast majority of people that try the biz end up losing money.

And you are right, Lee, - it is not for the week. The problem is that it will destroy the strong.

My sincere apologies for saying leah instead of lee.

You were only in 6 months and they spent all that money on you for a trip? You know that the only reasons they did that is to use that as a promoting tool to a)keep you in and b)brag that they did that to other new people so that they would stay in. Sounds like the investment didn't pay off.

So why don't you go back in and get financially independant? What is stopping you?

I hope you don't. Really. The vast majority of people that try the biz end up losing money.

And you are right, Lee, - it is not for the week. The problem is that it will destroy the strong.

My sincere apologies for saying leah instead of lee.

You were only in 6 months and they spent all that money on you for a trip? You know that the only reasons they did that is to use that as a promoting tool to a)keep you in and b)brag that they did that to other new people so that they would stay in. Sounds like the investment didn't pay off.

So why don't you go back in and get financially independant? What is stopping you?

I hope you don't. Really. The vast majority of people that try the biz end up losing money.

And you are right, Lee, - it is not for the week. The problem is that it will destroy the strong.

My sincere apologies for saying leah instead of lee.

You were only in 6 months and they spent all that money on you for a trip? You know that the only reasons they did that is to use that as a promoting tool to a)keep you in and b)brag that they did that to other new people so that they would stay in. Sounds like the investment didn't pay off.

So why don't you go back in and get financially independant? What is stopping you?

I hope you don't. Really. The vast majority of people that try the biz end up losing money.

And you are right, Lee, - it is not for the week. The problem is that it will destroy the strong.

I find it very interesting that Lee and Bob both claim millions of dollars profit for people, yet Lee cannot properly spell "paid".

But let's not dwell on grammer errors. How about the "milk and cookies"? I have one simple request: Provide me (or Ripoffreport.com) with an independent link that will confirm your claims of owners and VP's making millions of dollars. I am sure that there is some trade magazine out there for "Independant Distributors" that, at least once every year or two, publishes its top earners.

Most of your potential employees are willing to do anything for a paying job. You promise riches. Yo do it not directly through your own success, but through success stories of others - but you promise that you are on your way. The stories are conjured up with figures that are based on the most absurd abuses of statistics and cheap imitations. Potential employers ask why you drive a $25,000 car when you claim $150,000 a year and you say, "I don't need that stuff." They don't know that their efforts to stay afloat will barely be enough to keep you afloat.

It is all bullshit. You are asking others to break their necks for a promise that gives a few the opportunity to break others' necks in the hopes of staying current on thier payments. This is done through false claims of "millionaire thirty-something retirees."

All you have to do (this is directed to all you DS-Max Juiceheads) is cite one independant source to back up your claims of "15,000 owners" and individuals making whatever number it is you claim.

Oh, and Lee:

"They flew me to MIAMI, payed for everything and had a great time being pampered."

Apparently the pampering (brainwashing) was thorough enough to reach your olfactory bulb to mask the stench of BS that permeates the air anytime a DS-Max rep opens their mouth.

...waiting for the confirmation.

Todd, you talk to me like I'm a kid that needs your sympathy. Please spare yourself the "type time" needed to respond. You have your opinion, I have mine. So don't respond and tell me that I Don't know what I am talking about. It's not for WEAK people, it's that simple. I've met and talked to some of the richest people in the buisness. It was a trip that I won 2 months into the buisness. They flew me to MIAMI, payed for everything and had a great time being pampered. So whatever you have to say about my experiences, then I must know you, probably not. Tell me what office does that for you 2 months in? NONE I KNOW.

You poor soul. You are still in denial. For 6 months after I toasted I STILL defended the busines tooth and nail. That is how sold I was. Don't let them think you are not strong for not being able to make it in the racket dear. You are. You sound like a leader who had a crew and for at least some time was a consistant producer.

The ideology that they promote and have you adopt is so strong. They promote their all important "we are the hard working tough guys who can take it that are working hard today so that tomorrow we will have something message." Just listen to yourself. You make excuses for this business and still hang on the propaganda.

A propaganda which only benefits the guys at the top while people like us wasted our time and money for transportation and giving it out to trainees who only lasted a day.

You have to realize how much this business has hurt YOU - your crew and the vast majority of other people that still come in - just looking to make an honest living.

That was our crime! We just wanted a job with some growth. We were open minded. And we got sucked in. Now it is time to heal and stop them.

I sincerely wish you luck and best. You deserve it.

I was once employed by ENV Marketing in Nashville doing Wheelchair Sports. I was there for 6 months, I learned a lot about myself and how to deal with negative people. I believe in the opportunity, is it easy? NO!! This business is made for people who are strong and are willing to make the sacrifices. As I was informed, this business isn't for everybody, and it's NOT!! That is why companies within DS-MAX have such a high turnover rate.

Not everyone can go door to door for 8 hours a day and be happy. That is why you have to find the drive and motivation in yourself. DS-MAX provides an opportunity to run your own business, that is what you do everyday while you are in training and this is why you pay people out of your own pocket. If you can't do that then the business is not for you. While I was working with ENV, taking out "Days of O" I looked for people with that same drive and motivation. Did I bring everyone back? Hell No! Why would I want to waste my time and money on someone just because they needed a job? The reason I am not there anymore is because I couldn't find the right people. I love the business and if I went back today knowing what I know now, I would def. have my own office.

As for the chanting and meetings, that was fun! What job do you get to hoop and holler and still make CASH DAILY?

A cult, what? Anyone with a brain knows that becoming successful requires everyone being on the same page, preaching the same stuff.

Basically what I am saying is, the business isn't perfect and not every office is run to a "T." But the opportunity is there and REAL!

In your rebuttal you stated that some vice presidents make almost 1 million dollars per day with cydcor...and my question is "How Did They Get That Job" Icould sure use that kind of income...and I would be pretty much prepared to do anything legal to get it!!!

Obviously door to door sales jobs are not attractive. The ONLY way you could get someone to do it is to promise them MONEY and/or an OPPORTUNITY.

It seems that most of the offices offer both, and deliver neither. They promise a nice "average income" to get you in the door, then preach the opportunity to get you to stay there. They reinforce the opportunity aspect when you realize that you are not making what they originally told you.

Do you honestly think that people would apply for the job if it was advertised as "Door to door sales, %100 commission. Average weekly income of $200.00 plus opportunity for upper management"?

Neither do I. This business is inherently bad, no matter what the owner's intentions.

When you are in it for a while you feel very powerful for being able to outlast everyone that quits. You feel like your chance is write around the corner.

People in the business a long time are scared to be stopped by cops because they don't have money to pay tickets or taxes and these things accumulate.

After 4 years I had no crew and oewd $16,000.

They are great at explaining everything so that when you do fail... it is all your fault.

Teflon. Just like this guy said. Explaining it all in bits in pieces while clouding your senses with loads of emotion.

When you are in it for a while you feel very powerful for being able to outlast everyone that quits. You feel like your chance is write around the corner.

People in the business a long time are scared to be stopped by cops because they don't have money to pay tickets or taxes and these things accumulate.

After 4 years I had no crew and oewd $16,000.

They are great at explaining everything so that when you do fail... it is all your fault.

Teflon. Just like this guy said. Explaining it all in bits in pieces while clouding your senses with loads of emotion.

When you are in it for a while you feel very powerful for being able to outlast everyone that quits. You feel like your chance is write around the corner.

People in the business a long time are scared to be stopped by cops because they don't have money to pay tickets or taxes and these things accumulate.

After 4 years I had no crew and oewd $16,000.

They are great at explaining everything so that when you do fail... it is all your fault.

Teflon. Just like this guy said. Explaining it all in bits in pieces while clouding your senses with loads of emotion.

When you are in it for a while you feel very powerful for being able to outlast everyone that quits. You feel like your chance is write around the corner.

People in the business a long time are scared to be stopped by cops because they don't have money to pay tickets or taxes and these things accumulate.

After 4 years I had no crew and oewd $16,000.

They are great at explaining everything so that when you do fail... it is all your fault.

Teflon. Just like this guy said. Explaining it all in bits in pieces while clouding your senses with loads of emotion.