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Complaint Review: Ags Stainless -

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Ags Stainless Abusive customer service / Terrible product Bainbridge Island, Washington Washington

*Author of original report: Victim of Ags stainless

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: AGS' Side of the Story

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 I ordered a stainless steel cable system from AGS Stainless on Bainbridge Island for an exterior deck.

I received an initial estimate and I was charged this amount on Master Card. When the product was ready they produced another invoice showing an adjustment due to being overcharged and I received a credit on Master Card.

All the invoices from AGS will show that I ordered cable noted as quality 316.316 quality cable is not supposed to rust around salt or rain water. It is specifically manufactured for harsh outdoor conditions. The day after it was installed it rained and the newly completed unstained/unpainted deck was stained from water than had dripped from the cable and all the fittings. The contractor who installed the cable had thrown all the packing slip that came with the product in my trash. I recovered the packing slips and they showed that I had been sent quality 304 stainless steel cable.

An attorney was hired to recover the cost of the cable system which was returned to them, the cost of uninstalling and re-installing another cable system, and the staining that their cable caused to the deck and the posts through which the cable ran.

AGS insisted throughout the process of working through the attorney that they had sent 316 quality cable in spite of photographs of their packing slips showing we received cable of quality 304 and refused to pay for any damages or costs to correct the problem their product caused. I finally accepted a deal where AGS would pay for the cost of the cable system only which we assumed would be a legally binding agreement through the attorney.  The cable was returned to them and they unilaterally violated the agreement by refunding part of the money, but arbitrarily keeping about 25% for what they claimed was the cost of manufacturing the cable. All our claims were carefully documented photographically or in copies of documents sent to us by AGS. All this documentation was supplied to AGS through our attorney.

I have worked in the construction/interior design business for 35 years. My experience with this company was one of the worst experiences of my career. They are aggressive about selling their product. Once they have your money there is no attention to customer service or satisfaction. In fact, when we expressed our dissatisfaction over their product they said we were “unwelcome” on their property and to find some way of returning the product without doing so personally. They refused to accept responsibility for all the problems their product caused.

Another company supplied the replacement cable. Their 316 cable was bright as opposed to the cable AGS supplied which was dull and greyish looking. More importantly, the AGS cable system was literally falling apart. The cable is connected from post to post using a gripping system hidden inside the posts. The cable would become disconnected when the slightest pressure was applied due to the fact that their cable is not tightly woven unlike the other cable which was installed.

Anyone considering using their product should visually compare a sample of their product with that of another company. Without any knowledge of the product or its origin of manufacture, you will see a striking difference. Rather than file a complaint against AGS Stainless through the BBB of Bainbridge, we though it more important to warn the public of this company’s business practices. The product this company sold us has cost us thousands of dollars in damages and resulted in having to paint the deck a darker color to cover up the stain that resulted. If you use their cable you will also need to hire an attorney to help you recover all the damages this company will cost you in time and money.

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POSTED: Thursday, November 19, 2015

 Reply to AGS’ Side of the Story AGS replied to my post. It is filled with misinformation and omissions. I will try to be brief and concise: 1. AGS essentially claims the packing slip that came with the cable is irrelevant. In fact, the packing slip stated I received stated the cable quality to be 304. AGS stated the packing slip was for “internal use and was the source of confusion on the customer’s part.” A packing slip is designed to inform the receiver what they have in fact received. This statement makes no sense. I ordered cable quality 316 which is shown on all invoices, but not on the packing slip. 2. AGS claims they negotiated and were willing to pay $500.00 for the re-installation of the new cable system purchased from another vendor. Furthermore, they claim I agreed not to post any reviews of their business.

My attorney requested they refund money for the cable system and pay $500.00 for removing their system and installing a new system, but AGS stipulated that if they paid this amount I should not post any reviews. I flatly rejected this proposal. $500.00 was not going to buy my silence on their business practices. In the end, they accepted a proposal to refund my money for the system only with no stipulations. When the cable was returned to them they acted in bad faith and unilaterally decided to withhold part of what they agreed to pay just for the cable system. 3. AGS claims I am now engaged in a “smear” campaign and I have no evidence to support my claim and they have evidence to support their claim. Writing an honest and factual review for the benefit of the public is not a smear campaign. We provided them photographic evidence of their packing slip and the damage done to the deck. They never sent anyone out to investigate this matter, take any photographs, or negotiate a fair settlement with me. AGS claims they only sell cable of quality 316.

When we purchased cable of quality 316 from another company several things were immediately apparent. The product from the other company was more expensive, the cable was shiny rather than dull and greasy looking, the fibers were more tightly woven, and the cable was more flexible. Our contractor comment that it was a “1000” percent better than what we ordered from AGS. We recommend any buyer to physically compare a sample of AGS cable with that of another company. Their cable stained the deck after the first rain whereas the new cable performed well—no staining or falling apart where it is joined at the posts.

I also recommend the reader look at their warranty policy, if you want to call it a warranty. You be the judge. When I began the legal process of negotiation through an attorney, I knew the cable was a problem and had stained the wood before it could be painted or stained. At that stage, I knew the first step was to simply recover the cost of the cable, hopefully installation costs, but the contractor was working on another project and unable to give me a full assessment of the damage. The problem took several months to partially resolve as shown in my posts. AGS showed no interest in taking responsibility for the damage that was initially reported and subsequently assessed by my contractor. The deck has now been completed and I have a full accounting of the damages. The damages now run into thousands of dollars. Getting a refund and informing the public is simply the first step in a long process of recovering damages.

Eventually, those of you considering using this company will be able to access pubic records showing the nature of their business practices and the damages I recovered from their negligence. AGS claims to be a company with an “impeccable reputation.” A company with an impeccable reputation should be concerned that their product can cause damage. Being in a construction related business myself for 35 years means this is not my first rodeo. The process is slow but in the end justice will prevail. A reputable company would step us and make the situation right without having to be forced to do so.

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AGS' Side of the Story

AUTHOR: Michael, AGS - (USA)

POSTED: Wednesday, November 18, 2015

The first two paragraphs of this complaint are absolutely true. Please accept this response to clear up what followed…

AGS Stainless (AGS) acknowledged that the packing slip had notation on it that was for internal use and was the source of confusion on the customer’s part. AGS explained that the cable she received was grade 316 (AGS does not even offer cable in any other grade). AGS also noted that, through a mistake on its part, she was provided with hardware that was grade 304. AGS offered to replace the cable/hardware assemblies at no charge and, after negotiation, agreed to pay up to $500 for re-installation costs.

AGS stipulated that the customer would not post any review of the exchange, either positive or negative. This was done because absolutely no proof had been given suggesting that the cable provided was other than stated. AGS, a company with an impeccable reputation, did not feel it was right to concede to false accusation and still risk being the target of a smear campaign.

In the end, at the customer’s request, AGS agreed to issue a refund for the cost of any material returned.

If anyone is interested in seeing official documentation, including photos offered as evidence against AGS or any other information regarding this issue, please contact them through their website. They will be made available.

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