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Complaint Review: Blue Haven Pools - Southlake Texas

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On August 9th we closed on a brand new home with a wonderful big yard for our five year old daughter to play in. We thought we would compliment this big yard with a beautiful pool. Not a cesspool.


IF BLUE HAVEN CAN'T GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME THEY CAN TRY AGAIN WITH A SAW AND JACKHAMMER

It has been five months now and our pool is not finished yet!

We signed our pool contract with Blue Haven on 7/25/02. After seeing our pool laid out on the ground we paid $2875 to double the size of the skimpy fountains,increase the width of our pool by two feet and move the pool to a completely different location.

We were told by Mike Miloser that the Pool would be laid out again on the ground, by either Nick Juliano or himself, for our approval. We told Mike Miloser we would also need this done to cap off and move our extensive sprinkler system prior to excavation.





We had just returned out of town from my wife's parent's 50 wedding anniversary late Sept 2nd. And we all know how busy it is returning home from a long weekend.

Imagine my wife's surprise when she got off work at the end of the day on Sept 3rd to find a message left on her cell phone by Mike Miloser that Blue Haven had begun excavation at about 11a.m. Without our approval! Can you imagine our horror!

But the sorry salesman, Blue Haven's Mike Miloser, whined " I drew that pool for you three times." And said that "well we can't move the pool now cause it is dug". We suggested to Mr. whiny salesman Miloser that he upgrade his pencil to computer aided drafting. Then told him to leave our property.

Blue Haven's Mike Miloser and myself and my wife all discussed how important it was to make sure we were happy with the location prior to the dig. Apparently Mike Miloser was blinded by visions of dollar signs. His were the first of the lies we were told by Blue Haven.

This was just the beginning saga of a parade of dishonest Blue Haven employees.

Anyway, it took many letters and several weeks for it to sink in to Blue Haven that they were not going to get paid for excavation unless they moved the pool to where we wanted it at no cost to us. A two-week period in which the city inspected the steel and they asked that Blue Haven put up a silt fence and clean the street. Yet Blue Haven completely ignored this. Their contactors also left trash (lunch wrapping, cigarette butts) strewn around the yard. Apparently thinking that this was their own personal backyard to trash up.


BLUE HAVEN'S FIRST MISTAKE EXCAVATING WITHOUT PERMISSION LEFT THIS TWO FOOT TRENCH FOR THEIR TRASH

Blue Haven's general manager, Blue Haven's puppet Lee Leeham, came out for a meeting at the house with Davin Self And Nick Juliano. Blue Haven's Lee Leedham asked us to "trust them" as they were the "experts". Lee Leedham was told that trust would have to be earned as the "proof would be in the pudding".

Proof that.... five months later...we are still waiting for.

Finally, after extensive lying by Blue Haven's puppet, Lee Leedham, that they were in "their rights" to begin excavation, on Sept 16th Blue Haven moved the pool two feet further from the house. We were happy that the project was finally moving forward. Blue Haven was busier than a swarming beehive as they re-excavated, laid out the plumbing and shot the gunite all in less than a week. A week in which they were overpaid 10%for the excavation, by (UAMC) Universal American Mortgage Company/North American Title co and Blue Haven was also sent a check by us for the agreed upon addendum.

Imagine our horror when we found out that our fountains were not symmetrical! And it wasn't just an inch or two off...one of the legs of the right fountain was approx 18 inches longer than the left fountain. ( we have pictures) Couldn't these "experts" read a tape measure?! And there were gullies, 6 inches wide by 34 inches long by 4 inches deep, that were cut into the area between the spa and the fountains that we had not asked for and are not on any of the drawings in our possession or in the drawing submitted to our homeowners association, or the city of Denton.







After several letters and phone calls, Blue Haven contracted with the gunite company again, came out and re-shot a wall of our pool and part of the right fountain. At that time they also made a feeble attempt to saw-cut/jackhammer the inside wall of the fountain to match the left one. Cutting through the re-bar on the inside wall of the fountain. Re-bar that we would imagine had some purpose.



This sorry attempt at repair left the inside wall of the right fountain two and a half inches out of level and the fountain not square with the pool (We have pictures). That day we had a shovel and tape measure disappear from our yard. We also received two crank calls on our phone that evening. And later we found out that their "job supervisor" Nick Juliano had been dismissed. Yet Blue Haven felt that the pool was "close enough" so they threatened to sue us for breach of contract if they didn't receive the funds for the gunite. Davin Self, our new job supervisor had told us that the remaining mistakes would be fixed by the plaster contractors.

So of course, after being threatened with a lawsuit by the "experts, and having proof that the experts were just practicing at pool building in our backyard, we hired an attorney. He suggested that we try to get Blue Haven to do the right thing and fix our pool according to the plan. And he also provided us with some very valuable legal advice on arbitration and the Texas property code. And most importantly he told us not to pay Blue Haven until each phase is done right. That Blue Haven could go ahead and sue us if they wanted to give up their rights to arbitration.

We then hired an engineer, and asked that, a meeting be set up with Odis Miller, Blue Haven's Dallas "job supervisor" (but just another Blue Haven puppet) and the plaster contractor. Blue Haven/ Odis Miller agreed to meet but without the Plaster contractor. Mr. Miller stated that he could relay any needed instructions to the plaster contractors.

On October 11th we met our engineer and another of Blue Haven's "experts" Odis Miller. Mr. Miller said that the fountains would be "mudded up" and that Blue Haven would "go half with us" on an upgrade to safety coping. He also said that the gullies between our fountains and spa would be filled in. And that Davin Self was still our job supervisor. When Mr. Miller was asked why Davin wasn't there to meet with the engineer we were told that he would relay the needed information to Blue Haven's Davin Self.

It was beginning to sink in to us that "Relay" just meant that Blue Haven was just straight out lying to us.
After our meeting with the engineer and Blue Haven's Odis Miller, we received a report from our engineer stating that the two-foot over excavated area (from where we had to move the pool due to Blue Haven excavating without prior approval by owner) needed to be filled in stages and compacted to a proper density with the proper soil. Blue Haven's Odis Miller said that he was not about to do that. Blue Haven's Mr. Miller was told that we would do it and charge Blue Haven for it because we had concerns that the soil had been eroding into this void for several months and we had serious concerns about our foundation. Blue Haven's Mr. Miller stated that he would do it and charge us for it. Sure thing Mr. Miller.... Blue Haven makes a mistake and we are going to pay for it!?!

Finally, we were able to get a hold of Blue Haven's regional assistant, Barbara Turner, who we really thought was going to get this project back on track. But everything we discussed with Blue Haven's Barbara Turner we had to go completely over again with our "job supervisor" Blue Haven's Davin Self because he just didn't seem to get it. Barbara Turner stated that agreed our engineer's instructions would be carried out, assured us that Davin Self would see to it that the job was done properly. Yet on November 15th I had to tell Davin Self to get off our property because he told me that he was just going to backhoe this two-foot area in.

After several more phone calls and letters we were told the job was going to be done as we expected.
On Monday November 18th my wife stayed home from work to supervise the contractors as Blue Haven's Davin Self looked on.
After they left for the day my wife and I spent the evening hauling out chunks of gunite and piling up trash they had left from the false wall and raking out the area.
And we are paying them for what?

On November 19th,we visited Blue Haven's Southlake office, to make sure the paperwork we had filled out on September 21st was there. At that time Blue Haven's puppet, Lee Leedham, brought out a fresh drawing that had the gullies between the spa and the fountains. I taped on their crisp little new drawing and told Lee Leedham that it was fraud to modify a drawing to match their mistake.

On December 5th Blue Haven's Davin Self did call and make an offer to entirely pay for the upgrade to safety coping and wave the $250 they were going to charge us for having two colors of tile. But he said Blue Haven was not going to reimburse us for the engineer because they didn't tell us to hire one. Say what!?!
The property code does allow for reimbursement of necessary consulting, engineer and legal fees. The property code should be a must read for all of your staff Blue Haven.

Currently the left wall of the fountain is 80 degrees off the wall of the pool when it should be 90 degrees. There isn't really any way to fix this without starting from scratch. We have also lost the supporting rebar that was cut out of the fountain when it was re-formed.

Blue Haven has not been paid for the gunite and they will not be until they make an acceptable offer in writing and fill in the gullies between the spa and the fountains.
It has been five months now and our pool is still not finished. It would be our recommendation to run to another pool builder.
Since our pool has been creeping along a neighbor has had success with a reputable local pool builder. They completed their pool in about six weeks. Also, about two weeks ago another pool in this neighborhood was started with one of Blue Haven's competitors.

We have reported Blue Haven to the BBB and the North American Association of Spa and Pool builders. We will continue to pursue this and spread the word that Blue Haven is the unfriendliest business that a person could run across. Blue Haven has spent about five days in the last five months working on our pool and as many days trying to fix their mistakes.

By now we are certain of only one thing. Blue Haven's staff including whiny salesman Mr Pencil Mike Miloser, (ex job site no read da tape measure supervisor Nick Juliano) General "trust us" manager Lee Leedham, worthless job supervisors I'll charge you for Blue Haven's mistakes Odis Miller and I'am just doin what I am told Davin Self. And last but not at all least that chicken @!#@ principal (assistant to Blue Haven's regional director) Barbara Turner who can't even give me a call. None of these people are experts by any means.

They are merely clowns and puppets in Blue Haven's cesspool.

Thomas
Denton, Texas
U.S.A.

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Resolved

AUTHOR: Thomas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 01, 2006

To whom it may Concern:

Please be advised that we (Thomas A. Paver III and Cynthia L. Paver) have resolved our dispute with Blue Haven Pools National Inc. to our satisfaction.

Thomas A. Paver III and Cynthia L. Paver

Denton Texas

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correction, it was a restraining order that Austin England threatened us with today, not a lawsuit.

AUTHOR: Thomas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 13, 2003

Actually it was a restraining order that Austin England threatened us with today, not a lawsuit.

The lawsuit they threatened us with back in September of last year after they excavated without prior approval by owner.

Just want to make sure that this is correct when the legal team reads it. I don't want to get sued for saying lawsuit when I should have said restraining order.



At any rate the pool is still not done. They need to get someone out here that wants to build us a pool not file lawsuits and restraining orders.



Believe us when we say that after seven months of a Nightmare with Blue Haven Pools we wish we could just drag that cesspool out of our yard and fill the hole in. These people are nuts!

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Bleu Haven Threatens Lawsuit for diparaging remarks

AUTHOR: Thomas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 13, 2003

Today I received a call from Austin England who claimed to be an Attorney representing Blue Haven Pools. He said that he was at the courthouse and prepared to file a lawsuit against us for publishing disparaging remarks and that they( I would guess Blue Haven) needed it to stop NOW or the .....lawsuit.



Well Blue Haven....we really wanted a pool and got a cesspool instead. It has been seven months now for a four to six week project.

Your company had the opportunity to build a showcase pool in our new neighborhood to demonstrate your pool building skills.

Your employees screwed up the job and it hasn't been fixed yet.



Instead you would rather use your time and energy with lawyers and lawsuits. That should tell everyone a lot about Blue Haven Pools.

Just so everyone knows that this isn't resolved until you hear otherwise from me.

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Blue Haven Pools National, Inc.: cesspools builders/liars, scum of the earth ..If anyone is interested in using Blue Haven National, Inc to build their pool...grab a shovel & start digging. It will be faster.

AUTHOR: Thomas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, March 02, 2003

Seven months now and still no pool!

Just to update everyone on our ongoing conflict with Blue Haven Pools National, Inc.

Daniel Schreimann, P.C. offered to meet us on February 5th 2003,at our convienence to discuss the pool situation.



For everyone's information Daniel Schreimann 214-522-6262 is connected to every business that is or was any form of Blue Haven Pools.



Don't you all agree that after six months of dragging their feet(on a four to six week job) that is was awful kind of this gentleman to meet us at our convienence? Mr. Schreimann even met us on a cold rainy night at poolside to look at the cesspool his employees built. Of course he did try to worm, slither and excuse their mistakes away. He then followed up with a letter stating that they would pay for our attorney and engineer fees( $700 so far) upgrade to safety coping at no charge, provide an additional 100 sq ft of decking,installation of tile spotters at each step, installation of (1) medium turtle # 49 Artistry in Mosaics, and give us a two colors of tile minus the extra $250 they were going to charge us for it. And that they were also going to fill in the two six inch by thirty six inch gullies that were mitakenly notched out between the spa and fountains. All that this gentleman Mr. Daniel Schreimann asked of us was that we dispurse $11,644.00 for the gunite.



Funny thing is our contract states "after" we are satisfied with the gunite. Do you all really think that after we have waited seven months for a pool we are going to just whip out the checkbook & write away LOL! All together now....not just no but HELL NO!

Heck we don't even know if these guys CAN build this pool?!?



After all if they could it would have been done over five months ago and it would have been us in the hot seat for not paying them. Because the funds for this pool are being held in escrow and we can't touch them except to release them to Blue Haven National Inc. AFTER satisfactory completion of each stage.



So imagine our surprise when we opened a letter 3/1/03 from the Dallas Better Business Bureau stating that this matter had been resolved as a satified complaint because they hadn'nt heard from us in thirty days. Ok so do the math here. We have a letter from them dated February 14th 2003 stating that we have 30 days to respond and the most recent one dated February 16th 2003 stating that it had closed the complaint. It is very plain to see who the Dallas Better Business Bureau is working for. Certainly not for the consumer. But we have responded to the Better business Bureau to Daniel Schreimann, P.C. of Blue Haven Pools National Inc.,to the National Spa and Pool Institute Butch Millen fax 817-251-5855 and Jana Auringer of NSPI 972-745-1300. We have also filed a formal compalint with the Attorney General's office in Dallas.( Complaint forms can be printed out online at http://www.oag.state.tx.us) Copies of those four complaints are as follows: (Please feel free to copy,modify to fit your specific situation and forward to the appropriate office)

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DanielW.Schreimann,P.C.

8235 Douglass Avenue Suite1020 Hm 940-591-8262

Dallas, TX. 75225



Dear Mr. Schreimann,

Regarding the debris left on our property:

According to our Homeowners Association's Declaration of Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions for Wind River Estates Article three Restrictions On Use Of Lots 3.4 sec. (g) No portion of the Addition shall be used as a dumping ground for rubbish or a site for the accumulation of unsightly materials of any kind Materials incident to construction of improvements may be stored on lots during construction so long as construction progresses on such lots without delay.

As previously stated, in the normal course of pool construction we would expect that trash and work materials be hauled off according its normal construction schedule. The almost seven months we have been waiting for Blue Haven to do the right thing goes way beyond what any reasonable person would construe to be a normal construction schedule.



Therefore, as requested again on February 5th the mounds of gunite/lumber and trash left from Blue Haven having to re-excavate and make substantial repairs to our fountains is going to be removed. Prior to any funds being released.



Regarding repairs to our pool:

We have been previously been told by Blue Haven staff that the gullies mistakenly notched out between our fountains and our spa would be filled in when the repair was made to our fountain. Because Blue Haven was negligent in doing so is no fault of ours. We need to actually see that Blue Haven is making a good faith effort to build us a pool. Most of what we have seen from Blue Haven National has been far from what our contract called a workmanlike manner.



Regarding the release of additional funds:

Blue Haven National, Inc was overpaid 10% for excavation due to the necessary retainage fees not being withheld at the first disbursement. Therefore if and when Blue Haven National Inc agrees to continue with this contract an additional $1095.00 will be withheld from the second disbursement. And of course all of the retainage fees will be released to Blue Haven National if and when it meets the conditions stated in section 4 and 10 of the Instructions for release of funds.



According to your letter dated February 10th 2003 Blue Haven National has agreed to the following conditions:

1.Blue Haven to renew pool permit if necessary

2.Upgrade coping to 12-inch safety coping, at no extra charge.

3.Provide an additional 100 sq, foot of decking, at no extra charge.

4.Choice of two colors of tile in style of choice previously selected at no extra charge

5.Installation of tile spotters on each step, at no extra charge

6.Installation of one (1) medium turtle, #49 Artistry in Mosaics at no extra charge.

7.Credit of $400 for the engineering expense we have incurred.

8.Credit for $300 in Attorney's fees we have incurred.

9.Filling in of the two six inch by thirty-six inch gullies between the spa and the fountains.

When items 1, and 9 are met and the mounds of gunite/lumber and trash removed we will release $10,590.50 for the gunite with the additional funds being released per section 4 and 10 of the Instructions for release of funds in addition to the amounts agreed to in the August 19th addendum. To be paid when items # 1,# 9 and gunite/lumber/trash are removed $10,590.50

And a new addendum signed by Blue Haven National Inc. and us agreeing to upgrades to compensate for construction errors.



We are looking forward to working with Gary Levesque in the expeditious completion of our long overdue swimming pool. To date we have had approximately six months of broken promises and harassment by Blue Haven National Inc. Please see that our requests are followed though with so this project will not be further delayed.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.



Sincerely,



Thomas & Cynthia Paver

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Better Business Bureau Of Metropolitan Dallas, Inc.

1600 Pacific Avenue Suite 2800 Dallas, Texas 75201

Phone 214 /220 2000 Fax 214/ 740 0326



RE: Blue Haven Pools National Inc.

Dear Angela Ramirez,

In regards to the response sent to you from Blue Haven National, Inc.; I have enclosed our reply to their offer of settlement on the two attached pages.



We signed a contract to have a pool built by Blue Haven National, Inc. On July 25th 2002. This was almost seven months ago. And now what we have in our yard instead of a pool, is a cesspool. Blue Haven National, Inc. has spent most of six months harassing us for payment when, in fact, the pool was not built to plan.



Their latest offer falls short for the following reasons:

1.The pool was not built to plan.

2.The repairs have not been completed to the gunite shell

3.We have been living with mounds of their trash in our back yard for almost seven months while they have badgered us for payment.

4.We have had expenses for Engineer fees and Attorney fees, lost time from work, expenses for seven certified letters.



We would expect that construction debris be cleaned up according to a normal construction schedule. However, the six months Blue Haven National, Inc. has spent harassing us is way beyond what any reasonable person would call a normal construction schedule.



As long as Blue Haven National, Inc. continues its current course of action we will have no choice except to follow through with legal proceedings.



Sincerely,



Thomas & Cynthia Paver

(3) National Spa & Pool Institute

(817) 251-5865



Dear Mr. Millin,

Thank you for your call on Tuesday February 25th regarding our progress with Blue Haven Pools National, Inc.



We are sending a copy of the offer made by Daniel Schriemann, P.C of Blue Haven Pools National Inc. and a copy of our reply.



The funds for this pool have been held in escrow for the last seven months and would certainly have been released long ago had this pool proceeded according to the contract and was built to plan.



No consumer should ever have to go through this lengthy process to simply have a pool built. Granted people make mistakes.



Reasonable people remedy their mistakes for the benefit of everyone involved and move on.

Instead, Blue Haven National, Inc. has made written and verbal threats to sue us from the onset.



When, as stated in previous documentation, Blue Haven National, Inc. breached the contract. First, by excavation without approval of layout by owner, second, by the significant errors in construction of our pool and fountains, and finally by the long overdue completion promise of four to six weeks to build our pool.



Every bit of progress towards a remedy has been unreasonably slow. This causes us to wonder if in fact Blue Haven, National, Inc. can build this pool.



If they could build this pool to plan we would have had no grounds to withhold the funds. Yet Blue Haven National, Inc cannot even make it through the gunite stage.

Any help you can give us with this matter would be greatly appreciated.



Sincerely,



Thomas & Cynthia Paver

940-591-8262

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Office of the Attorney General

State of Texas

1600 Pacific Suite 1700

Dallas, Texas 75210



RE: Blue Haven Pools National Inc.



Dear Greg Abbott,

We signed a contract to have a pool built by Blue Haven National, Inc. On July 25th 2002. This was seven months ago. And now what we have in our yard instead of a pool, is a cesspool. Blue Haven National, Inc. has spent most of six months harassing us for payment when, in fact, the pool was not built to plan.



I have enclosed our reply to their offer of settlement on the two attached pages. We have not heard a response from them as of the date of this letter.



Their latest offer falls short for the following reasons:

1.The pool was not built to plan.

2.The repairs have not been completed to the gunite shell

3.We have been living with mounds of their trash in our back yard for almost seven months while they have badgered us for payment.

4.We have had expenses for Engineer fees and Attorney fees, lost time from work, expenses for seven certified letters.



We would expect that construction debris be cleaned up according to a normal construction schedule. However, the six months Blue Haven National, Inc. has spent harassing us is way beyond what any reasonable person would call a normal construction schedule.



As long as Blue Haven National, Inc. continues its current course of action we will have no choice except to follow through with legal proceedings.



Sincerely,



Thomas & Cynthia Paver

Denton,Texas

tpaver@flash.net

940-591-8262

(5)

Our complaint was also sent to the corporate office in California. to

Alvin Eisman, Felix Zamel at 636 Broadway Ste 310 San Diego, CA 92101



If anyone is interested in using Blue Haven National, Inc to build their pool...grab a shovel & start digging. It will be faster.

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