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Complaint Review: Bruce Ledgerwood - Coastal Vacations - The Ledgerwood Group - Long Beach California

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after qualifying as Level 1 Director in the beginning of 2006 I was not sent "release form" as Mr. Ledgerwood stated he would send in postal mail for me to retail vacation pkgs.

After numerous requests to Ledgerwood for this release form I decided since he would not cooperate any longer that I wanted my deposit of $500.00 returned as I completed all requirements expected on my part with his program and he refuses any money to be returned to me.
I am willing to post an update of satisfaction if and when this dispute be resolved by Bruce Ledgerwood.

Diane
Wheeling, Illinois
U.S.A.

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#23 Consumer Comment

New Comer

AUTHOR: Bryan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 02, 2007

Dear Diane,
As a future distributor for coastal vacations (as I am currently enrolling with another Director) I have read your comments have have this to say:
Your trivial comments have not deterred me from joining what I believe to be a solid investment. Secondly, if you would have joined my team and I invested a month or two into your success and you failed, I would have also kept your money. Also, he says again and again that he will send another form one which you just refuse, either to keep an excuse to be disgruntled or because without this complaint thread you might have nothing to do. Maybe if you would invested this much time into YOUR business you would have been more successful. Leave people be and go venture into something which clearly takes less effort than constantly updating a complaint thread. Take advantage of your vacation package, it is clear that you need one.

I hope that this one person does not stop others from embarking on something so exciting as an opportunity to create their own financial freedom. As a business owner now, I can say to expect struggles, but stick to the grind.

Sincerely,

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#22 UPDATE Employee

A note to Joyce

AUTHOR: Traci - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 06, 2007

Frankly Joyce, your opinion makes me want to vomit all over you. You shouldn't be so happy that you escaped the "scam" of Coastal Vacations. It is obvious you are lying and have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. It is quite obvious to me that you never asked that vacation related question of anyone in Coastal. I know because I am a member. And of course, practically free accommodations (you pay taxes) are NOT going to be available during peak holiday seasons. What are you thinking? It is hard enough to book a vacation at those times when you're spending above and beyond normal rates. Your little bit of info is quite interesting considering it sounds as if you've never even used the Coastal package for a vacation. Accommodations you can tolerate? Are you used to living like Donald Trump, Joyce? The Marriot, Hilton and 4 star resorts aren't good enough? As for your logical mind, that too is your opinion. Sounds to me like your logic came from someone else.

I say you shouldn't be so happy about escaping the "scam" of Coastal Vacations because it probably would have been the best thing that could have ever happened to you. I personally want to thank God that no one brought you into this business. Because we are a group of like minded individuals that do what we can, when we can for all the members of the group. Everyone contributes to everyone's success. I have never found a Director who isn't willing to do whatever it takes to help someone out with their business. You get out what you put in. You do not get "something for nothing" in any area of life.

It is obvious that you do not have what it takes to be a winner. How do I know? Because you are busy whining about something you know nothing about. And I am willing to bet Joyce, that the friend you refer to that got "ripped off" is Diane. There is more help, training, mentoring, and encouraging in this group than any other I have ever seen. This is not the first home based business I have been in. However, it will be the last as it has changed my life, my family's life forever.

I feel sorry for you,Joyce. You did not have the eyes to see that you were missing out on the opportunity of a lifetime. Not only to improve your financial situation, but to also grow spiritually as well. Maybe you did have a friend (and it wasn't Diane) who got scammed. I really don't know about that. All I know is I could tell you story after story after story of satisfied, successful Coastal Representatives who made the choice to step up and change their future for the better. They step up every day to help others achieve their goals and dreams. They are action takers, not excuse makers. I hear no excuses from them. Only you, who wasn't even qualified to find out what you were missing out on. Do not be sad. With such negativity you would have a hard time getting your own feet off the ground, let alone helping anyone else to build a successful business.

My reccommendation to you would be to not even waste your time looking at any other opportunities. Not only have you passed by the best already. But your attitude is so repulsive and your opinion, well, quite frankly, is just that. Thank God your opinion did not influence me and mine. I dare to think where I would be today had I read something like that and not had enough sense to check it out for myself.

One can only hope that you find what it is you are looking for in life. For you are, at this point, quite unhappy.

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#21 UPDATE Employee

Coastal is what you make it!!

AUTHOR: Kevin - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 19, 2007

There are other ways to get your release if you need it!! If you bought a bad jug of milk would you stop buying milk? Obviously you saw the value in the Coastal package before you contacted this guy to purchase the package. Whatever happened between you and him does not, and should not reflect on Coastal Vacations. Coastal Vacations provides one of the most comprehenceive training programs avalible, and trys to properly train all their directors before they allow them to sell. But with well over 1 million directors, it is not as easy as it would seem. As with any multi level company you will always have good ones and bad ones.

I don't know about this guy, but I only charge 1295.00 plus shipping. And the reason you want your release is to start your own down line. Training is supposed to be free??? You can reach me @ www.myvacationsunlimited.com if you have any questions

I have been a coastal director in TN for over nine years, and have provided many families with the oppurtunity to take vacations they normally could not afford. And I have helped many finance their packages, and a couple have defaulted on their payments. If you read the form provided by coastal it clearly states if you miss your payment you default on the terms and agreement,but it is ultimately the directors dicission.

The coastal vacation package is what you make it. It is not a travel agency!! You actually have to do some work on your part to take a vacation at up 75% off retail prices. If you don't want to do that, simply do not renew your membership and try a travel agent and pay full price.

I have made an honest living with coastal for many years, and now get most of my business from refferals, which of course you know could not happen if I had dissatisfied cusomers. It's time people start taking accountablity for themselves and stop blamming everyone else for their problems.
Signed Honest, Sucsessful, Coastal Director

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#20 UPDATE Employee

Coastal is what you make it!!

AUTHOR: Kevin - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 19, 2007

There are other ways to get your release if you need it!! If you bought a bad jug of milk would you stop buying milk? Obviously you saw the value in the Coastal package before you contacted this guy to purchase the package. Whatever happened between you and him does not, and should not reflect on Coastal Vacations. Coastal Vacations provides one of the most comprehenceive training programs avalible, and trys to properly train all their directors before they allow them to sell. But with well over 1 million directors, it is not as easy as it would seem. As with any multi level company you will always have good ones and bad ones.

I don't know about this guy, but I only charge 1295.00 plus shipping. And the reason you want your release is to start your own down line. Training is supposed to be free??? You can reach me @ www.myvacationsunlimited.com if you have any questions

I have been a coastal director in TN for over nine years, and have provided many families with the oppurtunity to take vacations they normally could not afford. And I have helped many finance their packages, and a couple have defaulted on their payments. If you read the form provided by coastal it clearly states if you miss your payment you default on the terms and agreement,but it is ultimately the directors dicission.

The coastal vacation package is what you make it. It is not a travel agency!! You actually have to do some work on your part to take a vacation at up 75% off retail prices. If you don't want to do that, simply do not renew your membership and try a travel agent and pay full price.

I have made an honest living with coastal for many years, and now get most of my business from refferals, which of course you know could not happen if I had dissatisfied cusomers. It's time people start taking accountablity for themselves and stop blamming everyone else for their problems.
Signed Honest, Sucsessful, Coastal Director

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#19 UPDATE Employee

Coastal is what you make it!!

AUTHOR: Kevin - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 19, 2007

There are other ways to get your release if you need it!! If you bought a bad jug of milk would you stop buying milk? Obviously you saw the value in the Coastal package before you contacted this guy to purchase the package. Whatever happened between you and him does not, and should not reflect on Coastal Vacations. Coastal Vacations provides one of the most comprehenceive training programs avalible, and trys to properly train all their directors before they allow them to sell. But with well over 1 million directors, it is not as easy as it would seem. As with any multi level company you will always have good ones and bad ones.

I don't know about this guy, but I only charge 1295.00 plus shipping. And the reason you want your release is to start your own down line. Training is supposed to be free??? You can reach me @ www.myvacationsunlimited.com if you have any questions

I have been a coastal director in TN for over nine years, and have provided many families with the oppurtunity to take vacations they normally could not afford. And I have helped many finance their packages, and a couple have defaulted on their payments. If you read the form provided by coastal it clearly states if you miss your payment you default on the terms and agreement,but it is ultimately the directors dicission.

The coastal vacation package is what you make it. It is not a travel agency!! You actually have to do some work on your part to take a vacation at up 75% off retail prices. If you don't want to do that, simply do not renew your membership and try a travel agent and pay full price.

I have made an honest living with coastal for many years, and now get most of my business from refferals, which of course you know could not happen if I had dissatisfied cusomers. It's time people start taking accountablity for themselves and stop blamming everyone else for their problems.
Signed Honest, Sucsessful, Coastal Director

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#18 Author of original report

Give it up already!!

AUTHOR: Diane - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, December 16, 2006

Why would this still be dragged on???
No doubt Bruce Ledgerwood's conscience is still bothering him if he is still recruiting others to "vouch" for him that they have no clue on what transpired... Bruce Ledgerwood should be making hand over fist by now with "his" BS scams and I wonder what "deal" did he make to get this one on here?

I still to this point have not knocked Coastal Vacation's credibility but I also still do not have my deposit of $500.00 returned...therefore this still remains a scam from Bruce Ledgerwood.

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#17 UPDATE Employee

Para los amigos Latinos que leen estos posts y se asustan....

AUTHOR: Jacquelina - (Venezuela)

POSTED: Friday, December 15, 2006

En este caso Diane dice que califico para directora Nivel 1 y solicito al grupo de Bruce Ledgerwood su Licencia que la acredita para vender los paquetes al mayor... dice que hizo varias peticiones y este Director no respondio, asi que pidio la devolucion de sus 500 USD, este sese nego a devolverselos y al parecer corto toda relacion comercial con ella...
Luego Bruce REFUTA que la historia verdadera es que los 500 USD formaban parte del pago por el entrenamiento especial que el le daria, el cual cumplio cabalmente por 3 semanas, con todas las herramientas ofrecidas, paso a paso, etc.. entonces ella no siguio el sistema y se desanimo, exigiendo la devolucion de su dinero. Este Director tambien dice que le hizo la oferta de enviarle su Licencia Nivel 1 a lo cual ella respondio "no".
Luego dos personas postean cosas positivas de la adminsitracion de Bruce como Director, mas abajo una tal Joyce (que no conoce el sistema Coastal puesto que no es Directora) habla un monton de pestes sobre este Director Bruce y Coastal Vacations, tildandola de "Scams" porque no ofrece las estadias en periodos festivos o temporadas altas del ay argumenta que hay que pagar mucho para conseguir acomodaciones en los dias que ella desearia... al final ofende duramente a Bruce y dice que se aprovecha de la gente miserable y el poco dinero que les queda, y que deberia ser hechado en prision... (Ooops que rencor)
Otra vez Diane le contesta a Bruce que ella no esta cuestionando el entrenamiento ni las herramientas sino el no haberle enviado la Licencia Nivel 1, y que es mentira que ella dijo que "no" a la propuesta de el... tambien dice (y me parece extraorque Coastal no es MLM) que ella prefiere las ventas al por menor y no referir a nadie de lo cual Bruce se hubiese beneficiado... otra cosa que ella reclama es que se le ofrecieron "Vacaciones Gratis" lo cual no es asi porque obviamente pago por su paquete.
Ufff esto se puso muy largo, en fin lo demas son personas defendiendo magistralemnte la compay el grupo de Bruce, como Ud sabra este tema en nada afecta directamente a la compani a sus Directores a Nivel Mundial, ya que es otro caso aislado de malos entendidos...

Jacquelina Marquez
Directora Internacional
Coastal Vacations
jmexpert@gmail.com

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#16 UPDATE Employee

It only takes one.......

AUTHOR: Loni - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 30, 2006

It only takes one person who is unwilling to see the big picture and/or take personal responsibility for their own mis-perceptions or mis-understandings to get in the way of the livelihoods of so many. Helloooooooo!

I encourage people to think for themselves. Coastal Vacations is a legitimate business opportunity that has been around over 12 years. We offer travel discounts. It's not rocket science. The companies we've partnered with have been around a long time and are very reputable.

Bruce Ledgerwood and his group have been in Coastal for over 6 - we only see 1 complaint from a real participant and then "2 cents" from Joyce, who was never even in Coastal or part of the Ledgerwood Group. She just made her rounds with all the Directors in the Ledgerwood Group, including me, and I'll spare you the ridiculous details.

If there's no horse in the stable, I guarantee there won't be any crap in there either. Every legitimate business opportunity or even traditional brick and morter company that has been around any length of time, is going to eventually have to deal with a few loose cannons who only think about their own circumstances, rather than how what they say, will affect the lives and livelihoods of so many people who are just trying to pave a new trail for themselves, their families, and their futures. (Just check out the BBB on Wallmart - do you still shop there? Of course!)

I have personally been working with Bruce for almost a year and never once has he been less than integorous in his business practices and in fact, his group requires even less qualifications than the standard Coastal business model, simply to excellerate people into the higher earning levels. Lucky for Diane, she got to come in for only $500 - the traditional Coastal business model would not have given her that opportunity.

Just because a negative remark is posted on the internet, does not make it true. People need to think things through and realize that there are ratios in life for everything, and two sides of every story.

There are way more positive postings in this thread but of course, it's human nature to focus on the one negative, and that's why so many good people miss out on so many good opportunities - they focus on the negative crap on the internet, and don't choose to think for themselves or pave their own trail.

I can post that I am the Queen of a small country on the internet - does that make it true? NO! My point is anyone can post anything on the internet!

A personal thanks to Diane from all of us who had nothing to do with her situation, but now have to contend with the negativity she chose to perpetuate against a whole group of honest people whom she doesn't even know.

To Bruce and The Ledgerwood Group - I would gladly sign up with your group 10 times again because of how you do things and because of how you care for others. You're a good dude Bruce and so many of us have done well because of it. Here's to many more years of working together in Coastal.

If you are here checking out the Coastal opportunity, then there's many of us in the Ledgerwood Group that would be more than willing to share our personal experiences with you and I guarantee, they're not negative nor are they crappy! FOCUS ON THE GOOD AND IT WILL COME TO YOU!

Cheers to a brighter future!

Loni N.

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#15 Author of original report

Bruce Ledgerwood quit the games already

AUTHOR: Diane - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, September 02, 2006

Why would I want you to send my "release form" NOW after all the trust has been squashed?
As my previous comments have stated... I no longer have any interest in working with you or Coastal Vacations. You have had my SAME address that I signed up with so there is no "LATEST" and I asked for proof shown on here dated that you claimed you sent me this information in the first place (of which you still have not proved) obviously you at NO time sent that to me and now my original request of my $500.00 is still not refunded... yet you still keep back pedeling Bruce. And how "tacky and opportunist" using this forum to keep promoting your bogus business with your phone number to contact!!!

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#14 REBUTTAL Owner of company

MY LAST RESPONSE TOO!

AUTHOR: Bruce - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 16, 2006

Hey Folks,

Bruce Ledgerwood here once again. This is getting really old. Diane, email me your latest address. I will OVERNIGHT you ANOTHER Level one release form. I will provide the tracking number right on this forum for ALL to see. There is NO reason in the world I would not want you to have your Release form. NONE!! PS - Who in the heck is Joyce and where did she come from? I have never even spoke to her in my life and she's out bashing Coastal and myself.(Enough said there)

Bottom line. If you found this web site and you are taking a look at Coastal. Check out the web sites, conf. calls, etc. Check out all the major companies we are working with. Our 12 years in business speaks for itself.

And again, if you want the truth, pick up the phone and call me LIVE at 858-484-8376. I have NOTHING to hide.

Have a great day. Now, let's just get back to work, have some fun, and make some money along the way. Later! - Bruce

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#13 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Diane here

AUTHOR: Diane - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 16, 2006

This be my last response to this matter as I
to-date still have not received any proof of a Level 1 release form from Bruce Ledgerwood as I requested of him in my prior rebuttal that he could clear this up since he claimed he
"sent me" and claims he offered me even a second time... my "Director release form" (none of what he said regarding any of this is the real truth) as my intentions were not to start this for bashing in anyway but just to present the facts.
A note to Angel... the $500.00 was worded to me by Bruce Ledgerwood as a "deposit". So call it what you may for "your business" with Coastal, but you were not present when he talked with me. All the ones coming to Bruce's defense is great but Bruce has still not provided the proof here for me and ALL to see.

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#12 Consumer Comment

Shakespear: Me thinketh thou doth protest too much.

AUTHOR: Thomas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, August 13, 2006

Looks like two people have hit a nerve at Coastal.

Lots of heat and false comparisons from Coastal. Not much substance.

I had a hard time following the "email from Joyce" rebuttal. I am not at all sure where the direct quotation supposedly stopped, but the tone of that "quoted email" did not at all match the tcalmy reasoned one in Joyce's original post. The content, however, did seem to refute a borish previous email but it is hard to know.

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Joyce 1
Diane unknown

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#11 Consumer Suggestion

One question for Diane from Wheeling...

AUTHOR: C.a. - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, August 13, 2006

Have you received your Level 1 release yet? After all of this entertaining and informative reading I'm dying to know.

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#10 UPDATE Employee

Rebuttal to Complaints about Bruce Ledgerwood

AUTHOR: Roger - (Canada)

POSTED: Sunday, August 13, 2006

After reading the negative posts on Bruce Ledgerwood and the group, I am compelled to respond.

I have been involved with the Ledgerwood Group for a couple of months and I have found the team to be nothing but helpful!
Bruce Ledgerwood is a natural leader and he leads by example.

Are we perfect? Of course not, can some of us be aggressive at times? Yes, this is sales afterall but we are NOT fraudsters or "rip off artists" and we do not cold call. We are a team of business people, sales professionals, business owners, former executives and, quite frankly, everyone in between. We all share a common passion of providing great value in what we sell and earning a significant commission in the process. The companies involved with us such as Carnival Cruises, Disney Resorts, Royal Caribbean, Raddisson Hotels etc. would not risk their reputations if we were doing anything funny. And, after 12 years, if what we did was illegal or fraudulent don't you think they would have put a stop to us by now?

Not everyone will succeed in this business but that can be said for any business if you don't work at it and follow its systems. I am now beginning to make money at this and I love it because I know I am offering great value to the end user and/or prospect coming in.

As we all know nothing is perfect and great companies like IBM, McDonald's, Microsoft, Chrysler - you name it - all have had complaints against them, some of them repeatedly, because you'll never make everyone happy all the time. However, they are still great companies and it doesn't make them fraudsters just because someone had a bad experience.

If you are a prospect who has been contacted by us, all we ask is for you to have an open mind about the business and base your decision on your own due diligence and business sense, not opinions.

Again, I wanted to post this because of my positive experience with the Ledgerwood Group and Bruce in particular. If there is a rebuttal to my statements then please note, whatever you write will not garner a response.

I have said what I want to say.
Thank you.

Sincerely,

Roger G
The Ledgerwood Group
Toronto, Canada

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Coastal Rep with Ledgerwood Group Responds

AUTHOR: Angel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 10, 2006

I read with amusement these colorful and curious meanderings and opted to offer my own reply.

I am speaking as a representative with Coastal Vacations and a happy member of the Ledgerwood Group.

First, there is no such thing as a "deposit" with Coastal, or with the Ledgerwood Group within Coastal. Anyone suggesting that they had paid a "deposit" for their Coastal training within the Ledgerwood Group is simply wrong. Nobody refers to a training fee as a "deposit" because it isn't one. Frankly, $500 for the training, tools, systems, expertise and access to same is way too low. Keeping it so low does help people of modest means afford participation. In my opinion it should be $1,000. After all, you're given access to some very lucrative commissions and taught exactly how to earn them for yourself. I sure give that much value to my training and support. But Bruce initiated the Director in Training program to help financially-strapped people get their foot in the door and set that price at a very modest $500, and we all stick to it. It's a TRAINING FEE. Not a "deposit".

Being trained and supported by Bruce Ledgerwood, who has six years of success with Coastal, ought to be very appreciated. If you pay $500 to get trained by someone with a month's worth of experience, Bruce's far more vast experience really ought to cost a lot more. But it doesn't.

Next, the premise of this complaint -- that Bruce would not send a release form for Level 1 once a representative is qualified -- is nonsensical on its face. Our goal is to get new reps released as quickly as possible so they can begin making money as quickly as possible. Releasing a rep ASAP is a strong, driving, motivating force behind all training and support. Releasing a rep is a milestone and a time for celebration. Furthermore, withholding a release form for Level 1 would be counterproductive to any Director as it would tend to detract from the enthusiasm of the new Level 1 Director. Think about it: if you don't get released on Level 1 when you are supposed to, you're not going to bring those Level 2 and Level 3 training sales. No Trainer/Director in his right mind would withhold a release that had been earned, if for no other reason than this: doing so would be entirely self-defeating -- a fact that is readily apparent to anyone actually intersted in an honest review of this complaint.

So if this person's complaint is to be believed even in part, and if she did indeed fulfill required training sales and earn a Level 1 release, either a clerical/administrative error or oversight occurred, or the U.S. Post Office lost a piece of mail -- which we all know does happen.

The chance of Bruce Ledgerwood behaving as accused is zero percent. There is not one logical reason for him to do so. And there are lots of solid reasons for him to avoid such behavior like the plague.

The fact that he offered to send ANOTHER Level 1 release form AND offered additional help and support to someone maligning his character and reputation on the Internet speaks volumes about his desire to settle and resolve this matter. That he offered phone contact right here in black and white in public says plenty more.

For reasons stated above and others I could easily list, it is my considered opinion that the accuser's intention in coming to this website with her false and misleading information had nothing to do with a desire to settle a dispute and everything to do with attempted character assassination.

Bruce, I'd like to take a moment to thank you for all the hard work you've done to make success that much easier to achieve for people who actually follow through with your very helpful training and many useful resources. Thank you. And keep up the good work.

I'd also like to thank the original complainant in this matter for reminding me to be careful and cautious about who I bring onto my team.

Sincerely, and with all due respect,

Angel S.
Michigan

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REBUTTAL FOR JOYCE'S COMPLAINT

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 27, 2006

In response to Joyce's comments regarding Coastal Vacations, she was invited to attend a conference call and became very hostile with the hosts and claimned to be an expert in the travel industry. After she supposedly didn't like the answer she recieved to a specific question about avaiablity she poster unsubstanciated lies on this website and proceded to make racial remarks about the arab community. It is my opinion that Joyce answers advertisments for employment because thinks of herself as the self-appointed internet police. I feel sorry for her because she most certainly needs professioanl help. What follows is her latest email:

FROM JOYCE - 7/27/06
"So it is a mark against someone to be old, if they are miserable. Hmmmmmm...Why is it a mark against someone that they are miserable? I usually feel sorry for people who are miserable; most certainly I dont feel contempt towards people who are unhappy with their lives, as obviously something terrible has happened to them, or why would they be miserable. You, are under the delusion that I am miserable, why, I havent a clue, perhaps it is just a projection of your own unahppy and unfulfilling life. Why else would a person write two unsolicitated emails to a total stranger, as you have done to me, sarcastic, mean-spirited emails, attempting to make someone, namely me, whom you assume is miserable, and trying to make me feel even more miserable. You obviously are a sadist, who cares nothing for the feelings of others. Unfortunately, therapy is not helpful for sociopaths as you most certainly are; incurable, and stuck for life with your grave mental disease. I feel sorry for you.

And as to making up lies and spewing trash about Coastal, now when did i ever do that? I certainly dont recall doing anything of the kind. I think it is you and your whole Coastal gang who is telling all the lies and spewing all the trash, and promising innocent people things you simply cannot possibly deliver. You really are no better, your whole organization, than thugs who grab old ladies pocketbooks while they are walking down the street. You are fraudsters of the highest degree.

As for paying your taxes today, you are a little late arent you, but good for you, I commend you for finally getting around to paying Uncle Sam his due, we certainly need to fill the coffers to the brim to keep up this grand war effort, dont ya think, I mean we gotta protect America from the sandniggers, right!!!

Dont worry about your tax dollars going to me, as I assure you they are not, so you can breath a sigh of relief. That you dont feel any obligation to those less fortunate than youself is your selfish problem, and just another indication of the extent of your greed. I bet youre the type that makes fun of cripples, in fact, i would wager quite a lot on that one.

As for the Girl Scout cookies, you are a little late so far as their cookie selling, as their cookie campaign ended about three months ago, about the time you should have paid your taxes. And as for it being illegal to sell Girl Scout cookies in front of Safeway, I never did care what is legal or what is illegal as most all laws are just social constructs, and I love their mint cookies, always have, since I was a Girl Scout, way back when color hadnt been invented yet...just too bad those cookies wont be sold again until next year. The only illegal things I am against are scams like yours, and, serial killers, rapists, people who abuse animals, and pedophiles. Otherwise, I couldnt care less what is legal and what is illegal. FYI, it isnt illegal to sell Girl Scount cookies in front of Ralphs. That you even have a clue as to whether these little girls will be put behind bars for selling their cookies, leads me to believe that you would love to see it happen. You are one very sick individual. Now go back to ripping off more victims. God, i bet you get calls all day long from very unhappy campers who have been suckered into buying your crappy packages. Just glad I never fell for it, and, like i said, i shall continue to flag all your ads on Craigslist till you are never able to contaminate that forum again.

So long.

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Re; It seems that the Ledgerwood Group is a racket

AUTHOR: Kevin - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 26, 2006

Hello,

This email is in regards to the posting authored by Joyce, dated 7/24/2006.

This morning, I sent the following email to the owners of ripoffreport.com:

I don't know what the situation is between Bruce Ledgerwood and the original poster Diane Wheeling. However, half way down the page, a woman named Joyce has written a posting. Joyce makes several false claims, based on her assumptions, in regards our company. Her statements are not based on facts, they are based on her opinions.

She continues to state that Ledgerwood associates have been desperately chasing her for a year, and these associates have been rude to her. There are two instances where I can disprove this statement. For one thing, our prospects respond to various advertisements, and if still interested, they will contact us for further information. We do not cold call. With that said, Joyce contacted me this past Saturday (7/22/2006) in regards to the current opportunity. She was excited about the opportunity and requested more info. At no time during our conversation did she mention that Coastal/Ledgwerwood has been chasing her for a year. In fact, she asked me to repeat and spell the name of the company so that she could write it down.

Joyce, chose to correspond over email since the time of that initial phone call. I have emails that will show she was the one being rude, and in some cases, she used very hostile words. She even indirectly poked fun at my special education students, which had no relevance in our conversation. Her behavior was totally unprovoked.

I understand the principle behind ripoffreport.com, and it can be used as a powerful tool for the general public. However, Joyce's posting is based on opinion, not fact, and she blatantly lies in order to get her point across and to also establish credibility for herself. She has no personal experience with the product, and when we tried to satisfy her questions, she wouldn't listen and proceded to call us liars.

In order to keep rifoff report credible, I feel that there has to be some sort of regulation here. Otherwise, it will turn into an opinion forum. Word will spread that most comments are opinion based. Then what you have is the equivalent of a tabloid magazine, rendering all ripoff report claims uncredible. Do you agree?

I chose to contact you, rather than write a rebuttal. The reason for this is because I feel that Joyce will not follow up with an explanation of her claims. Her claims are opinion based and not thoroughly researched. Instead she will make further false accusations, resulting in further aggravation for everyone. This situation needs to be squashed now. What action can we take? Upon request, I can provide you with the emails between Joyce and myself. I will also provide the affermentioned emails to general public upon request I look forward to your response.

Have a great day,

Kevin Bendjy
The Ledgerwood Group
Cell- 303-909-7974

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#6 UPDATE EX-employee responds

In response to Joyce and Sherri

AUTHOR: Diane - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 25, 2006

I opted into this home based business asking a ton of questions and getting them answered sufficiently I believed at the time and did not feel "it was too good to be true" rather that I could trust what was presented to me for this business to work for me. In all due respect to Bruce Ledgerwood (and his team) and Coastal Vacations the facts out weigh the "hype" in the end...

A note to Sherri from Skokie, IL
I am glad that you found this program to be of success for you... so by it being "easy steps for success" as you stated, you should be well on your way making plenty of $$$ in this business of 6 months by now (of which I read no mention of it in your rebuttal) only a vote in favor for Mr. Ledgerwood. hmmmm

And NO I did not "trash" Bruce Ledgerwood... I on the other hand spoke the truth and therefore did not fail myself.

P.S. Now if Bruce would like to put all doubts to rest I believe the burden of proof is in his court with a scanned copy of an email or postal delivery of the "Director Level 1 release form" with the DATE on it addressed to me... and post on this page. (You can fool some of the people some of the time... but not all the people all of the time)

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#5 Consumer Comment

Response to Bruce Ledgerwood's Rebuttal

AUTHOR: Diane - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 25, 2006

Bruce Ledgerwood... after reviewing your comments I never disputed you NOT providing all the tools when I first signed up with Coastal Vacations and your mentorship, that you provided. What I stated was that I never received the "release form" from you not by email nor postal mail!!

Bruce you and I know you flat out lied about me saying "NO" to "another" release form (of which I did not receive) and at no time did I say "No"
as that was what was necessary you claimed to "retail" vacation packages. Here is where I beleve you gave up on me was when I realized that when I expressed to you after training that I preferred "retailing" instead of "getting" people to sponsor and mentor under me of which you would have profited... and yet the retailing which you said I had a choice of (or to do both) would not have brought YOU any profits.

My intentions were not to exclude you monetarily in any way but I found the most interest in retailing, since my background is in Sales B2B not "showing someone else the ropes"... that is when you dropped me like a "hot potato" and would not answer my telephone calls and you responded with a couple emails and one I recollect stated that you would "resend the Director Level 1 release form" and didn't and continued to skirt the issue. My "hours and hours" of time as you stated should be proof enough that I was serious about this business and this be on your concsience... as you always reiterated "Bruce Ledgerwood here...do your due diligence". Lastly, I also never received a "free vacation" from you as stated in your automated voice mail after signing up with Coastal Vacations.
Let the buyer be very aware...

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#4 Consumer Comment

It seems that the Ledgerwood Group is a racket

AUTHOR: Joyce - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 24, 2006

Hello,

I am a consumer who was invited to join a Ledgerwood Group Coastal conference call for the purpose of deciding whether or not I might wish to pursue this business opportunity.

From what the original poster said it seems that Ledgerwood did not fulfill his part of the bargain as that poster seems to have done what was required of him to become a Level 1 person, and therefore, was entitled to have his sales release for the Level 1 sent to him. Ledgerwood, in his rebuttal conveniently skipped over that part of the agreement.

Ledgewood committed fraud by not abding by the rules and not giving that person their sales release, meaning that person was unable to continue in the business as to be able to get paid one has to have one of those release forms or they cannot sell anything, so that person lost $500, which, in fact, was stolen from him by Ledgerwood.

This is not surprising as the whole Coastal thing is nothing but a scam. For instance, when i attempted to question the availabilty of those vacation packages, they lied and said they were all available during peak sessions like the 4th of July and Christmas, and for summer resorts, you could book pretty much any time and get your cruise or room. This is ridiculous and patently untrue. What people get, if they get anything is dates that are very unpopular, it is a hassle even to get those dates, and most people have to pay a stiff price to upgrade to the type of accomadation that they could possibly tolerate.

Coastal and Ledgerwood make it sound like you can practically book a vacation any time your little heart desires, but this just isnt the case.

I have been treated very rudely by many of Ledgerwoods team from time to time over the past year, always bugging me to join up. They just seem to be so desperate they dont know when to quit. I think someone would have to be out of their mind, or not mind a holiday "in the sun" in January in Maine or some other equally insane proposal.

This company is bad news. I know someone who personally was scammed by Coastal, and thank god, i was warned and have a logical mind. These people prey on desperate people who dont buy the adage that states IF IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT PROBABLY IS.

These poor people scrape together the little they have and give it to the likes of Ledgerwood, when they would do better to flush their money down the toilet...then at least Ledgerwood wouldnt be making any money on these poor unfortunate peoples miseries.

I think he should be tossed in prison and they should throw away the key. This is just my opinion. I have never heard anyone say one good thing about this man or Coastal in general other than his schills.

If you are reading this, just run for the hills if you come across one of these parasites from this company. You will bless me for alerting you to this.

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#3 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Bruce again with the Ledgerwood

AUTHOR: Bruce - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 12, 2006

Bruce Ledgerwood again. On my rebuttal, I gave out the wrong phone number.

I can be reached at 858-484-8376 if you would like to discuss the truth behind these false claims.

Thanks!

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#2 UPDATE Employee

Bruce Ledgerwood is an AWESOME trainer/mentor!

AUTHOR: Sherri - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 11, 2006

I joined Bruce's team "THE LEDGERWOOD GROUP"
January 31st 2006. I am absolutely thrilled that
I did. He provides excellent one on one training as well as conference calls for 3 hrs monday-thursday where I have a place to go and get my questions answered and receive advanced training.

The only way for someone to fail is to NOT follow the simple turn-key system that has been
in place for almost 12 years. We are not reinventing the "wheel" here. Any possible way to
market this product has been done successfully by
reps in coastal and all training is thoroughly
provided.

It's a shame that Diane wouldn't follow the easy steps for success and feels like she has to trash Bruce because she failed herself.

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#1 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Bruce Ledgerwood Group - Coastal Vacations rubuttal

AUTHOR: Bruce - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 11, 2006

Bruce Ledgerwood here with the Ledgerwood Group. This is my rebuttal to the claim about not providing the proper tools and training. I will also respond the the $500 refund request in regard to her claim that I did not send her a LEVEL ONE release form.

Here is the real story. I provided all the tools, web site access, one-on-one training, sample ads, and sample emails to be successful with our program. The problem is that she would not follow the system and kept wanting to change what was working.

Part of the $500 she invested was not only access to all the tools, etc. But was also for my one-on-one training and support. After hours and hours of time, money, and energy I put into her, she then wants her money back. It's kinda like like asking your personal training for your money back after 3 weeks of training. Just because you do not look like Arnold yet, you have paid and received your training. PERIOD!

I have made the offer to work some leads for her and use that money to pay her back. She said "no"

I have also made the offer to send her another Release form, she said "no"

I have worked with Coastal Vacations for almost 6 years now. I take great pride in providing my team all the tools and training to be successful. I have many very happy folks on my team that are willing to provide solid proof I do what I say I'm going to do. Look for many of them to rebuttal the claims also.

If you would like to talk to me in person, feel free to call me direct at 858-484-9376.

Bruce

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