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Complaint Review: Denver Isuzu Suzuki - Denver Colorado

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  • Denver Isuzu Suzuki 2500 West 104th Ave Denver, Colorado U.S.A.

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June 26, 2007

Dear Ripoff Report,

I bring to your attention, a kind of plague that impoverish and destroy peace of mind and wealth in our American families: The car-dealer fraud.
Given the crucial importance of Ripoff Report's mission and public service, I respectfully ask you to let me present my case as victim of deceptive business practices implemented by unscrupulous car dealer in Denver, Colorado.

They clearly violate the spirit and letter of Consumer Protection Acts and require heightened government oversight and citizen follow-up. In fact, the corporate crime never rest. Then, I want to work with everyone to stop the auto dealers predatory business practices that victimize our communities for corporative and personal gains.

In addition, I would like to contribute as volunteer in creating a transparent, accountable and consumer-friendly sales and financing process at dealerships.
According to Public Citizen Car-dealer fraud has epidemic proportions in our country. The tactics being used are so sly that even informed consumers who do their homework are being taken for hundreds, and often thousands, of dollars. In fact, the sales contracts are skillfully wrapped that the most astute customer would ever notice the difference.

In addition, These scams add many millions of dollars each year to the profits of car dealers at the expense of consumers. While some profit is necessary, consumers are being ripped off beyond reasonable need through the sale of useless add-on products and services, the unnecessary markup of vehicle prices, the hidden inflation of loan terms, etc. For instance, right now, my wife and I are victims of the Denver Isuzu Suzuki's deceptive business practices. Please let me to explain briefly our unfortunate situation:

AN ATROCIOUS JOURNEY FOR TRUSTING CAR BUYERS AT THE DENVER ISUZU SUZUKI IN DENVER, COLORADO

Jeff Baca
General Manager/Owner
Denver Isuzu Suzuki
2500 W. 104th Ave.
Denver, CO 80234
U.S.A.
Phone: (303) 404-6500
Fax: (303) 404-6550

The Denver Isuzu Suzuki motto is:
Smaller Dealer, Smaller Prices.
No-hassle purchasing of new or used autos. However, for my wife and I, our own example testifies how our car purchase experience has been awful.

I bring this case to the to the General Attorney's sphere with hope that Denver Isuzu Suzuki repairs the wrong that they did to us. I expect the dealer be encouraged to satisfy our complaint and takes immediate steps toward a win-win solution.

At this 21st Century, it is unfortunate how our laws are one step behind of corporative crime. In Denver, I have consulting several brilliant lawyers, and all of them had the same answer. It is virtually impossible to prove frauds from companies. The defendants just need to deny everything to the judge, and so.

However, far away from Colorado, I have found in Maine an advanced law for costumer protection. It can also be an Unfair Trade Practice if the dealer makes any significant oral or written (e.g. advertisement) misrepresentations.

This is true even if the sales contract warns the buyer that the dealer is not responsible for the oral statement of its sales person and that the written contract terms are final.

Why? Because an unfair Trade Practices Act claim is not based on the written contract but rather is based on dealer deceptive practices Retrieved from http://www.maine.gov/ag/index/php?r=clg&s=

I encourage everyone to recommend their representatives to update constantly their respective consumer protection acts, just because the corporative crime at dealerships never rest.

In addition is extremely important creating a transparent, accountable and consumer-friendly sales and financing process at dealerships.

I am hopefully that we all joint forces to find ways to prevent thousands of customers of being ripped-off, and impoverished daily, like my wife and I were at the Denver Isuzu Suzuki.

Indeed, I expect that my painful experience and rip-offs lessons help others to take more educated decisions when buying a car, and avoid getting ripped of and conned like we did.

For simplicity's sake, I will present the major issues that strongly reveal the dealer' deceptive business practices.

However, if the development of this case requires for, and you get interest to pursue this case, I will present you a complete chronology of facts, including a portfolio of evidence.

Besides trying to resolve the issues with the dealership, I also have contacted the following honorable authorities, agencies and organizations regarding the scam that my wife and I were victims at Denver Isuzu Suzuki.

Koichi Suzuki
President of Automotive Operations
American Suzuki Motor Corporation
www.suzuki.com

Bill Ritter
Governor of the State of Colorado
http://www.colorado.gov/governor/

Joan Fitz-Gerald
Colorado President of the Senate
http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/leg_dir/senate/members/sen16.htm

John Suther
Colorado Attorney General
http://www.ago.state.co.us/index.cfm

Deborah Platt Majoras, Chairman
Federal Trade Commission
http://www.ftc.gov/commissioners/majoras/index.shtml

Lisa Sodeika, Chair
The Consumer Advisor Council
The Federal Reserve Board
http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/adviscoun/cac/

www.Rip-OffReport.com

Ken McEldowney, Executive Director
Brian Wolfman, Director
(((Redacted)))

Public Citizen
(((Redacted)))

Since June 4, 2007, I have approached friendly the Denver Isuzu Suzuki nine (10) times by phone, by letter and in person to resolve fraudulent issues crafted by their sales people in my detriment. However, the dealer has maintained a constant failure to respond effectively for customer satisfaction, and rectify their deceptive trade practices in the sale of the automobile.

Those are the reasons why I am taking my complaint to the next level.

On May 31, early morning, I was browsing a good and new car with a dependable set of safety features for my wife. At end of such day, I had purchased jointly with her a demo 2007 Suzuki XL7 Limited Platinum Package with 3,988 miles VIN 2S3DA-9176-7610-4767 at such dealership.

We also gave as trade-in a 2004 Subaru Forester 2.5X. VIN JF1SG-6366-4H72-3808 with 34,840 miles in excellent condition.

In addition to standards features, the trade-in Subaru had three (3) years of factory extra-warranty, towing hitch, engine block heater, Subaru battery (almost new), Viper Alarm, Nokian WR tires (almost new), CB Radio and a pre-paid plan of free alignments. Also it had a loan balance by $18,696.79

This appalling journey just began after a test drive. The Denver Isuzu Suzuki's Sales Representatives #1 and # 2, Mr. Milt Cancanon and Mr. Antonio Garcia respectively proposed to sell me their manager's company car with a huge discount.

One minute later, they introduced me to the dealer's New Car Manager, Mr. Justin Helmick. Then, he invited me to see the car.

Following the car inspection, I acknowledged Mr. Helmick and his Sales Representatives of two crucial conditions to purchase such vehicle:

1st Condition:
The automobile must have exterior heated mirrors. I stated to Mr. Helmick that this feature was extremely important to cope with the challenging winter storms in Fort Collins, where my wife will attend classes at the Colorado State University (60 miles one way from home).

Mr. Helmick assured me that the car had them. When, I asked him how to activate such mirrors, he responded me just pushing the defogger's button. Two weeks after, I found out that Mr. Helmick lied to me about. In effect, the car never had such mirrors just because the manufacturer did not offer them in such model this year.

I got such confirmation from American Suzuki Motor Corporation on June 13. Also, the dealer's Service Department corroborated such fact on June 15.

Even though Mr. Helmick took deceptive advantage on me, I put him at easy with my discoveries about his misrepresentation.

I tried to meet him with a very diplomatic letter to encourage cooperation rather than conflict (The letter is including in the portfolio) in order to find a reasonable settlement.

He left me waiting for him for 25 minutes at the dealer's showroom (when his office, a deep tinted glass square with a 360 degrees of view was at a half-dozen feet from my position) until I requested to the receptionist to get me a couple of minutes with the General Manager/Owner, Mr. Jeff Baca.

When, I met Mr. Baca, I documented him about Mr. Helmick's misconduct and the inexistent exterior heated mirrors. He requested me to wait outside his office while he was calling Mr. Helmick.

Then, I saw Mr. Helmick coming from his glass square office. Ten minutes after, Mr. Helmink met me. He apologized for your lack of attention. According him, he did know about the car lacking of exterior heated mirrors. Finally, we settled the issue I asked him to install the towing hitch.

He told me it was expensive, but accepted to install the splash-guards at no cost.

2nd Condition:
Get the financing for my wife (She was expected to come to the dealership next day at 5 p.m.) from Suzuki Financial Services with the deferred payment for the first 90 days offered at the manufacturer website at no more than 5.5% APR.

I gave express instructions to work with my wife' current Fico score of 778 only. He was not authorized to check her credit, and he would get her current credit reports from the three credit bureaus, as soon he needed them.

He got a financing plan by $500 a month, later raised it at $550 and advanced to go to $600. Then, I told him to cancel the transaction. Immediately, he told me to enter as co-buyer and waive the $1,000 factory rebate.

I replied him I was unemployed, and such condition would no help my wife. He responded me that such situation would not be a problem and would help to get the loan approved and with low interest rate.

I accepted to go ahead, and he requested me to fill out the financing application and related paperwork and sign then on behalf my wife and myself.

The sales process took seven (7) hours from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. (the final car delivery took more 4 hours) until I met the Financial Manager, Mr. Otis Thornton; the New Car Manager, Mr. Justin Helmick; and the Sales Representative #2, Mr. Antonio Garcia in Mr. Thornton' office. Yes, all of them at the same time.

The long delay of seven hours to go throughout the sales process took a toll on me. I was very exhausted and I hadn't had lunch too. Indeed, I was powerless to discern what was good or what seemed false. No doubt, my attention was also untuned at dealing with those three persons at the same time.

The Finance Manager, Mr. Otis Thornton was asking to know why I selected his dealership to buy the car; the New Car Manager, Mr. Justin Helmick was congratulating me, and wishing we enjoy the car, and offering free of charge the XM Radio programming, and the Sales Representative #2, Mr. Antonio Garcia was commenting the great deal we got.

Afterward, the Finance Manager, Mr. Otis Thornton presented me the first contract with a financial plan of $626 monthly payments for 84 months and deferred payments of 45 days to begin the car loan payments.

Immediately, I declined to complete the transaction due to the higher amount of money to be paid per month and short time to pay the first installment.

I highlighted that such plan didn't reflect what I had agreed before with the Sales Representative #1, Mr. Milt Cancanon of $550 monthly payments or less per month and a deferred payment for the first 90 days from Suzuki Financial.

I told them that I would leave the car purchase for next year. When, I was literally leaving the office, Mr. Helmick asked me to wait, so he would improve the offer.


Next, Mr. Helmick gave me the impression that he was acting on behalf Suzuki Financial once he changed in Mr. Thornton's computer the monthly payments and put them slightly down to $601.90. I replied him that the monthly payments still was higher.

He responded that they were higher due to my trade-in Subaru's loan balance ($18,696.79) was added in the new Sales Contract. Moreover, I told Mr. Helmick that the schedule of loan payments was too short, and I inquired him about the deferred payment for the first 90 days that I requested at the beginning of the sale process as one of two preconditions to buy the car.

Instantly, Mr. Helmick guaranteed me 60 days (August 1) to begin the loan payments. He also offered me more 30 days (September 1) if necessary. Mr. Thornton and Mr. Garcia were present all the time.

Following, I signed the contract induced by Mr. Helmick's statement, and later my wife signed the paperwork in her school's classroom with the impression that Mr. Helmick's oral guarantee of deferred payments was part of the legal instrument as actually executed.

In fact, we signed the contract in a weaker position, like when a blind person signs an agreement when misleadingly told that it is just a letter.

Mr. Helmick knew from the very beginning our limitations to buy the car, and managed them by all means, even fraudulently to conduce us to such legal instrument. In fact, my wife and I suffered financial harm from reliance upon Mr. Helmick's misrepresentation. Now, I see how naive I was to think that we could buy a car from the dealership without getting taken advantage of.

On June 23, we were surprised to know that the lien holder was Horizon North Credit Union (HNCU) and not Suzuki Financial. The letter we got from HNCU stated that the due date payment was on July 15 (45 days).

I informed Mr. Helmick about such matter several times, and I requested him diplomatically to honor his guarantee of deferred payments for the first 60/90 days. But, he neglected his commitment, over and over again along the seven reminders he got from me.

On July 13 (43 days), the lender charged my checking account with the first loan payment.

In view of such unexpected installment before August 1, I was obligated to implement an emergency plan for my household in order to endure without supplies of food until end of month.

An incident from the dealership brought my attention to review the sales contract. Immediately after, I realized that the Suzuki's selling price was not disclosed. Also, I did not find the huge discount that Mr. Helmick offered me to buy his company car.

Moreover, the equation of trade-in amount paid, the pay-off and the trade-in's loan balance added in the new Sales Contract was incomplete. So, I have asked courteously to the dealer to buy the loan from the lender and rewrite it as I requested for (See at the end, the list of what I think the dealer owed me).

For instance, the sales contract illustrates the following numbers:

Amount Financed: $38, 802.97
Finance Charge: $11,756.63
Annual Percentage Rate: 7.75%
Total of Payments: $50,559.60
Down Payment: $0.00 (They requested me to waive the $1,000 factory rebate).
Total Cost of Purchase on Credit: $50,559.60
Payment Schedule: 84 months at $601.90. Payments Due 07/15/2007

The Suzuki car's lender has specified $592.31 monthly payments for 84 months.

ITEMIZATION OF AMOUNT FINANCED
Cash Price (including accessories, services, $379.95 delivery
and handling charge, and $1,594.55 sales tax)

Gross trade-in $18,650.00 minus Pay-off by seller $18,650.00 = Net trade-in $0
Net trade-in pay-off: N/A (Please note that the Gross trade-in amount is identical to the Pay-off by Seller by $18,650)

Here the dealer seemed generous by paying for the trade-in Subaru $4,600 more than the Kelley Blue Book value, and $4,767 more than the Edmunds value.

Kelley Blue Book: Maximum price for a 2004 Subaru 2.5X in excellent condition with 34,840 miles and towing hitch is $14,050. Edmunds: Maximum price for identical car is $13,883 (ANNEX 18).

Then if the dealer paid $18,650 for the trade-in minus $14,050 KBB value= $4,600 and by the Edmunds value: $18,650 minus $13,883= $4,767 the dealer paid more.

I also found out that the dealer paid for the trade-in $18,650, but the lender pay-off request was by $18,696.79= $46.79. This result is the same to the amount they were charging me on June 29 (The Sales Contract was signed on May 31).

Government certificate of title fees (includes security interest recording fee of $10 plus $17.20.

The remaining items to be disclosed in the Sales Contract have the initials N/A

In addition, I found casually in the Suzuki's glove box, the Sticker Price for this specific new car (Identical VIN Number). The Manufacturer's Suggested Total Vehicle Price is $32,384.00 including destination and handling, but excluded sales tax and dealer fees.

As well, the Finance Manager, Mr. Otis Thornton did not provide me the signed paperwork copies, even when I requested them two times on May 31. So, I needed to come back to the dealership on June 4 to ask and get those paperwork copies.

I got a partial set of them, and I asked to Mr. Helmick to give me all the documents copies from the sales process, including the ones I signed in blank under the request of his sales people to expedite the process.

But, he has omitted to provided me them. In addition, he and his Sales Representatives always were evasive to respond my question to know whom the lender was.

As Denver Isuzu Suzuki needs to take responsibility for their unfair sales tactics. Here is a list of the misleading and fraudulent business practices:

Misrepresentations

Mr. Helmick acted as if the deferred payments for 60/90 days was true to induce my wife and I to sign the Sales Contract and related paperwork.

Mr. Helmick did false representation when he gave the impression of taking under control the change of due date to begin the first payments.

Fraudulent Concealment

Mr. Helmick'sphony statements, affirmatively suppressed the material fact that a verbal guarantee must be in writing to be enforceable by law with the intent of deceive.

Passive Concealment

Also, we felt indignation about the Finance Manager, Mr. Otis Thornton, and the Sales Representative #2, Mr. Antonio Garcia.
They acted with passive concealment by maintaining silence when they had a duty to speak me after the New Car Manager, Mr. Justin Helmick's verbal misrepresentations and fraud in the inducement. Both were present at that time.

Breach of Contract

Clearly, Mr. Helmick's unfair trade practices breached the Sales Contract by interfering on my wife and I capacity to perform our agreement with the lender by falsely leading us to expect our first loan payment on August 1 (60 days) or September 1 (90 days) instead of July 15 (45 days).

Corporate Crime

The Denver Isuzu Suzuki's corporative behavior seems to be a deliberate and regular scam to be applied on customers like my wife and I. Similar an organized crime that relies on its trickery activities for income, they combined their corporate expertise to cause a single injury: impoverished and defrauded us.

In addition, the New Car Manager, Mr. Justin Helmick, the Financial Manager, Mr. Otis Thornton, the Sales Representative #1, Mr. Milt Cancanon (This person misleaded at light of truth in lending laws), the Sales representative #2, Mr. Antonio Garcia, and the General Manager/Owner, Mr. Jeff Baca were negligent to observe the standard of care required by law under the circumstances.

Gross Negligence

The dealer's General Manager/Owner, Mr. Jeff Baca acted with conscious, voluntary omission in reckless disregard of legal duty and of the consequences to my wife and I as consumers.

Yesterday, I sent to Mr. Baca my third and last certified letter to find a win-win, friendly and positive outcome before to resource to a higher level of resolution. Today, I found in my answering machine a message from him to acknowledge me that he got the letter, and accepting my invitation to get together in his office, tomorrow July 26. He is going to meet us one hour before than my suggested time at 3 p.m.

Finally, I would like to present on what I think the Denver Isuzu Suzuki owed me.

1)The sum of $592.31 that the lien holder charged me as first loan payment on July 13, just because the New Car Manager, Mr. Justin Helmick failed to honor his guarantee.

Mr. Helmick's oral guarantee of deferred payments was for the first 60 days (August 1) and 90 days (September 1) from the date of the sales contract was signed on May 31.

2)Buy out the loan from the lender, and rewrite the financing contract to reflect clearly the actual price of the 2007 Suzuki XL7.

Disclosing what huge discount was applied as Mr. Helmick offered me. How much was paid for the trade-in Subaru Forester. How much was paid for the Subaru Forester's pay-off.

And how the Subaru Forester's remaining loan balance by $18,696.79 was added, and how all these figures were wrapped in the new Sales Contract.

3) Repair the Suzuki XL7's paint chips/scratches, and the scrashy fog lamps previously documented and requested in writing to the New Car Manager, Mr. Justin Helmick to be restored at their original factory condition, and provided me the car's cover and timing chain.

After the Sales Contract was signed for my wife as buyer at her elementary school's classroom, and once I came back to the dealership jointly with the Sales Representative #2, Mr. Antonio Garcia, the New Car Manager, Mr. Justin Helmick told me very happily that he was going to take a leisure trip to Mexico.

Sadly for us to know about Mr. Helmick's trip, while my wife and I was injured and impoverished as result of Mr. Helmick's willful manipulation committed with knowledge that his misrepresentations were likely to harm us, but showed reckless disregard of the consequences.

Respectfully submitted,

Guillermo

Bibliography:
Garner, Bryan A. Black's Law Dictionary.
Minnesota West Group, Seventh Edition, 1999.

Guillermo
Thornton, Colorado
U.S.A.

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#7 Author of original report

UPDATE TO CORY. HEY CORY!!!

AUTHOR: Guillermo - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 02, 2007

Hi Cory,

I understand why you are upset.

However, when you realize that the dealer has willingness to make right the wrong they did, but they do not know how to change into a desirable behavior, you may point out a way and nurture such purpose to benefit next customers.

Hopefully, they will not find the painful scenario I got. In the same way, you have paved the road for others with your own suffering on world affairs.

Exactly it is what I did with the General Manager/Owner, Mr. Jeff Baca.

About, the New Car Manager, Mr. Justin Helmick who showed no mercy to deceive me, I wish him only the best, and I left him at the love of God.

Now, I will follow my destiny and get lessons for my own transformation from this life experience. Now, I got more wisdon than ever, and you helped me a lot with your insights.

God bless you, Cory.
I wish a time of beauty, and unfolding miracles for you and loved ones.

Let me to end this life chapter with the powerful poem "ANYWAY" at the bottom:

Stay fine,

Guillermo
******

(((ANYWAY)))

Mother Teresa hung a copy of this poem on a wall of the orphanage she founded in Calcutta. Its source is unknown.
People are often unreasonable,
illogical and self-centered;
Forgive them anyway.

If you are kind,
People may accuse you
of selfish, ulterior motives;
Be Kind anyway.

If you are successful,
you will win some false friends and
some true enemies;
Succeed anyway.

People may cheat you;
Be honest and frank anyway.

What you spend years building,
someone could destroy overnight;
Build anyway.

If you find serenity and happiness,
they may be jealous;
Be happy anyway.

The good you do today,
people will often forget tomorrow;
Do good anyway.

Give the world the best you have,
and it may never be enough;
Give the world the best you've got anyway.

You see, in the final analysis.
it is between you and God;
It is never between you and them anyway.

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#6 Consumer Comment

Guillermo, Guillermo

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 02, 2007

Stop, I can't take it any more.

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UPDATE: REACHED AGREEMENT

AUTHOR: Guillermo - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 02, 2007

Dear Forum at Ripoff Report,

I am glad to inform you that I have reached a satisfactory agreement with Denver Isuzu Suzuki in Denver, Colorado.

Additionally, I also have enclosed the letter (SEE IT BELOW) that I sent to the President of Automotive Operations at the American Suzuki Motor Corporation, Mr. Koichi Suzuki to illustrate you how Ripoff Report has influenced parties in disagreement to find a common ground by conducing them to a harmonious convergence of mutual interests and needs.

Furthermore, this is a testimony to enrich this gallery of significant cases to inspire the best business practices in the automotive dealership industry.

Indeed, the Ripoff influential role has leaded this particular case to make our marketplace more rewarding, at the time consumers come to meet Denver Isuzu Suzuki in Denver, Colorado for a win-win transaction, and get fairness and service on the dealer promises of satisfying its customers.

God bless all of you,

Guillermo
Thornton, Colorado
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August 1, 2007

Koichi Suzuki
President of Automotive Operations
American Suzuki Motor Corporation
Brea, California

Ref.: AGREEMENT REACHED WITH DENVER ISUZU SUZUKI IN
DENVER, COLORADO: 2007 SUZUKI XL7 VIN 2S3DA-9176-7610-4767

Dear President Suzuki,

Some days ago, you got a fax regarding to our disappointment with Denver Isuzu Suzukis sales practices at the time my wife and I purchased the car above mentioned on May 31.

This morning, my wife and I met the General Manager/Owner, Mr. Jeff Baca
in his office to accomplish a satisfactory and friendly resolution for both parties. In fact, we achieved our common goal in a win-win environment.

Also, we got a very positive impression from Mr. Baca. He turned everything negative into positive, and made a real difference on customer satisfaction in a manner that improved his dealerships credibility and reputation.

In addition, he assured us his unwavering focus on complete customer satisfaction. This is our first time that we met an automotive dealer with radiant enthusiasm and commitment to benefit customers.

Certainly, Mr. Bacas long-term customer relationship will increase the percentage of his customers return for a repeated business well above the industry average.

He has given us encouraging reasons to continue doing business with his dealership by handling our complaint with fairness and service.

By delivering on the promise to satisfy his customers, the Denver Isuzu Suzuki will be early or later placed in the top 10 Suzuki dealerships worldwide, and one day, Mr. Baca will be the number one car dealer in the world.

Very truly yours,

Guillermo

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Typical Car Deal

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, July 28, 2007

A typical car deal right out of the car dealer's playbook. They sold him a demo(used) car with 3988 miles on it for thousands over retail, which should have been discounted, while telling him he was getting a great deal. They lied to his face telling him it had heated mirrors, which they probably didn't know about and could have cared less about.

They so monkey around with the figures, that even a CPA would have trouble figuring it all out, which is just they way they like it. They triple teamed him, intentionally. He was there for so long, seven hours, he couldn't see or think straight, just the way they want you.

As for the figures. They sold him the used, untitled vehicle for around $4000 OVER retail. Retail was $32,000 and they sold it to him for around $36,000+ tax. Their cost was probably $24 to $26,000 based on rebates, incentives and holdbacks, so on that side of the deal they made at least $8 to $10,000 or better.

Now, on his trade-in, he states they were "generous". I've NEVER known a car dealer to be "generous". If blue book was $14,000, he thinks they "gave' $18,000 for his trade-in. They didn't give him anything. If BB is $14,000, they probably gave him around $10,000 for his trade-in. Maybe $12,000. If his trade-in is as nice as he says, they ought to be able to retail it for $20-$22,000, making another $8 to $10,000 on that side of the deal. A "cherry", decked out 4-wheel drive in CO ought to bring a premium.

So, if it works out, the car dealer can make at least $16,000 to $20,000 on both sides of the deal. Not bad for seven hours work. The really sad part about this deal is that he seems more upset about the heated mirrors and the 90 days delay pay then he is about getting screwd for over $50,000 bucks. Go figure. Should have spent more time on the auto sites and less time on/in the law library.

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Denver Isuzu Suzuki: AN ATROCIOUS JOURNEY FOR TRUSTING CAR BUYERS AT THE DENVER ISUZU SUZUKI Ripoff Denver Colorado

AUTHOR: Guillermo - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, July 27, 2007

In regarding to the Ripoff I was victim from Denver Isuzu Suzuki in Denver, Colorado, I got a kind insight from Paul. I really appreciate his wisdom.

In fact, he is right. I did not take the proper safeguards to prevent the scam at the time I signed the Sales Contract when the dealer's New Car Manager, Mr. Justin Helmick falsely leaded me to expect the beginning of loan payments on August 1 (60 days) or 90 days (September 1) rather than July 15 (45 days) as written in the legal instrument.

For example: work only with the Finance Manager rather than letting three persons at once taking my attention; if tired, leave the signing of contract for next day for full alertness; double check the contract to make sure it was with the standards of correctness.

However, after I signed the contract, the countdown instantly began for payment on due date July 15, but I did not was aware of that. I expected the first payment to be due for August 1.

Then, when the lien holder charged me such payment on July 15, it splited up my household budget for the final two weeks of the month (My paycheck is always at the end of month).

Here, the problem was that the first loan payment started too early than expected. So, I were going to make payments, just not this soon.

Thank you Paul for your finest attention and time you took to help me to cope better with my unfortunate situation.

Take care,

Guillermo

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#2 Consumer Comment

Oh my...where to begin?

AUTHOR: Nietzsche - (United States Minor Outlying Islands)

POSTED: Friday, July 27, 2007

It appears that you weren't ripped off at all. The only thing the dealer took advantage of was the fact that you were unprepared.

From the looks of the deal, I think the dealer charged you sticker or slightly over sticker for a brand new XL7 (even though you were getting a slightly used car), and the folded in the "upside down" balance of your trade-in. Since you were a payment shopper, the dealer then needed to stretch the term of the loan to 7 years (!!) in order to accomodate you.

You will now spend over $7,000 a year for the next 7 years to drive an SUV which may be worth $5,000 tops when you finish paying it off. Unfortunately, due to the long term of the loan, it will be nearly impossible to trade out of this nightmare without taking a spectacular loss.

Besides the fact that you didn't need to be shopping for new cars while unemployed (especially considering that your old Subaru was in excellent condition) - you failed to do your homework.

I bet you spent hours after the fact writing that long diatribe in pseudo-legalese. Now if only you spent a fraction of the time researching car prices and loan amortization PRIOR to hitting the dealer lot.

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Mistake after mistake

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 26, 2007

Listen, I understand completely that the dealership took advantage of you. That's what they do. However, they can only do that with your assistance. A few friendly reminders:

1. Do not buy a car you cannot afford. You couldn't afford your subaru (as evidenced by your being underwater, IE: the car was worth less than what you owed). So, you went from one car you can't afford to an even more expensive car. If taking your car payment out of your account forced you to scramble for food money, why oh why are you buying a new car?

2. Do your own research. Find out things like whether or not the model you're looking for has the features you want before you ever go to a dealership lot.

3. Add up your payments before you sign. You should have multiplied $6xx.00 by 84 and realized that spending 50g's + on a suzuki is probably not the best move.

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