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Complaint Review: House Of Fire Sanctuary - Gettysburg Pennsylvania

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Thomas Crain has a long list of taking money from people including a Federal conviction for Felony Fraud. He did his time in a federal boot camp in Lompoc California. He was Convicted in 2001 by The Honorable Ann Montgomery at the Federal Court house in Minneapolis Minnesota. He defrauded people around the USA out of Millions of dollars. This was a credit card fraud operation. This information can be checked call your local police and have them verify it.

Mr. Crain also uses Women to get what he needs. Feel sorry for Sherri Walton for getting involved with Mr. Crain. He is only using her and her money to get the things that he needs and wants.

bj
Ely, Minnesota
U.S.A.

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#26 UPDATE EX-employee responds

agree

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 13, 2011

hey joe.. yes, thomas did run a storefront church here in Sioux Falls, SD.. lol.. he wanted so badly to open a church as close as possible to 'the mall"... I will read up on the info you provided on your cousin in Texas.. Once a con always a con..

God bless..

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#25 Consumer Comment

WHY ARE SO MANY PSYCHOS ATTRACTED TO THIS RELIGION?

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, September 18, 2010

WELL, THERE WAS JIM JONES IN GUYANA, TONY ALAMO,WARREN JEFFS,ELMER GANTRY (A FICTION CHARACTER BUT A DEAD ON PORTRAYAL  OF "RELIGIOUS
 CON MEN AND WHAT THEY DO), DADDY DIVINE,ALL OF THE CHILD-MOLESTING PRIESTS,DRAKE BELLAMY AMD THE LIST IS ENDLESS.

I WENT TO THAT "CHURCH" WEB SITE AND ALL IT HAS IS CONTACT INFO. IT LOOKS LIKE ****.

HOW CAN CHRISTIANS BE SUCH NICE PEOPLE AND FALL FOR SUCH AN OBVIOUS CHEAP, GAUDY CON?

THERE SEEMS TO BE A TYPE OF PREDATOR WHO IS ATTRACTED TO USING THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION TO KEEP FROM WORKING AND CONNING MONEY AND BELONGINGS FROM PEOPLE FOOLISH ENOUGH TO BELIEVE HIM.

ARE YOU SURE THIS GUY WASN'T RUNNING THE SAME SCAM IN TEXAS UNDER THE NAME OF DRAKE BELLAMY?

WHEN THESE GUYS TELL YOU THEY HAVE BEEN IN PRISON AND THEY ARE A NEW MAN, WELL THEY JUST HAVE A NEW CON THAT'S ALL

IT IS ALWAYS THE STOREFRONT CHURCHES, THE ONES HIDDEN AWAY IN MOTEL ROOMS, IN RENTED HALLS, IN BASEMENTS...AND THEY NEVER HAVE FORMAL
TRAINING IN REAL SEMINARIES OR YEHSHIVAS.

SO MANY ARE SEXUAL PREDATORS TOO.

THIS IS FASCINATING. I HAVE A COUSIN WHO WAS VICTIMIZED BY SUCH A WORTHLESS BRAND OF RELIGION. LOO UP DRAKE BELLAMY ON ROR'S SEARCH ENGINE. I THINK HE IS STILL IN THE NEW BRAUNFELS AREA RUNNING HIS SCAMS AND RUINING LIVES AND PROBABLY BACK TO DEALING THE HEROIN HE CLAIMED TO BE DELIVERED  FROM BUT I GUESS HE DELIVERS IT TO AND THAT IS HOW HE GETS BY.FROM...

I HOPE THAT CRAIN, CRANE AND ALL OTHERS LIKE HIM ROT IN PRISON AND THEN IN HELL FOR WHAT THEY DO TO PEOPLE

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#24 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Thomas is so gay!!

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 28, 2009

Thomas is soooo gay and stupid!!

Won't be long now!! :)

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#23 Author of original report

Care to have more info??

AUTHOR: lets play - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, November 26, 2009

He has a new Church.... It is called Kingdom Times... It was the name of a Christian prison periodical.  He couldn't even come up with an original name for his new dare I call it a church...

The address and contact information to the new place is as follows Kingdom Times Church: 1123 Lincoln Way East Chambersburg, PA 17201: Tel: 717-528-8200: Worship Service: Sunday 10AM, 7PM. 

He couldn't come up with a new web page for his new thing the web page is http://kingdomtimeschurch.com/ take a look at that too.  It is all too funny.

Have a great day.  It is all too laughable.

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#22 UPDATE EX-employee responds

UPATES

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 21, 2009

Anymore updates from anyone???


Have not given up... things still moving along nicely to put crain away :)

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#21 Author of original report

She is learning so much about her ex

AUTHOR: Lets Play - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 27, 2009

She was engaged to him when you two were together she is learning so much. She only wonders how many other women he was with. Oh wait he was also in a relationship with Sherri at that time from what She was told... Thomas you are the person she thought you were. And she is very disappointed in you.

Sherri you will be able to tell a mans future by his past.

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#20 Consumer Comment

WHOA

AUTHOR: Andrea - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 20, 2009

Wow....but he and I were childhood sweethearts off and on until 1991. We never had the chance to "date" or be a couple. He and I were intimate once(our first time and only time together because it didn't feel right for us-AND he did tell me he was seeing others at the time-2006) and I have been to the doctor for yearly exams since (including HPV, and STD testing because it it routine in her clinic to check those things), and I have had, since then, and currently, a clean bill of health....squeeky clean. Thank God!

This is sad....all these bad things I am reading about Mr. Crain....I never knew he could turn out like this....

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#19 Author of original report

This is for Andrea Mostly!!!

AUTHOR: Lets Play - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, July 12, 2009

Andrea, My friend thought she was dating Mr. Crain exclusively for 8 years. She was deadly wrong.... He brought home HPV. If you have been sexually active with him you need to get to the doctor. My friend has cancer from his cheating ways. She found out recently that he was cheating on her with Ms. Walton. Ms. Walton is the person that he told her was MUCH too old for him. And he had been cheating with her for years.

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#18 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Oh my

AUTHOR: Lets Play - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 09, 2009

Oh Thomas you did it again.... Sighs...

I am willing to help out in any way the authorities need me to help out to put these two away. LG knows how to get ahold of me. I have a lot of information on Mr. Crain and he owes me a lot of money that is a 1 with many zeros behind it. Please send the authorities my way. I have moved far from the place that I used to live to protect myself from him. I have not changed my contact information however.

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RE: Crain and Walton

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 01, 2009

Folks, this is NOT the way a true church is ran. I am sorry, but these crooks are really making church look really bad.
They can run, but they cannot hide. It will all catch up to them in God's time, not ours. We are doing God's leg work, lol..
Please pray that they get caught. and they will!!
The cat litter phrase is exactly how I would describe MR. Crain.
H cannot stay put for the life of him. They know darn well they are guilty or they would not be moving around so much in short spurts, lol. THEY are sinners!!
I hope they monitor this site, gives them less sleep at night, lol.
I have cameras installed on my property and alarms, so bring it on crain!
He is using her until she is used up. They will go to hell together for all the money they steal from people.
What ever happened to an honest days work and an honest days pay. The man don't know what work is. Just look at his hands, they have never worked.
Keep in touch and bring them to their knees!
Oh yeah, he has a way of hacking computers. So if your computer goes on the blink, he did it. Another crime added to the list. Or weird stuff going on with your pc, it's him.
Andrea, I would haul that pc you got from him straight to the police dept and have them take a look at the hard drive. I am sure there is evidence on there somewhere.
Also, he must have it rigged so he can see all your typing, emails, etc...
Take it in!! Now!
This could be an answer to prayer. :)
Keep spreading the word.. Get this crook nailed!

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AUTHOR: Anon - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 01, 2009

Dear Anon in Sioux Falls:

I wish we were able to tell you all we know about these two, but unfortunately I do believe they are monitoring this site. I have contacted a few newspapers telling them that if they or any of the townspeople have any information to email me at the address I provided. Crimestoppers has also been contacted. Hopefully it will get hot enough in the area for them to pack up and leave again. If not leaving, then behind bars will do for me also.

In response to something that I noted in your letter, Sherrie is not the granddaughter to Sam Walton, although with all the deceit that is floating around her, this is probably another of her white lies. But I will not go into that here.

The church that they had in Gettysburg was being run out of a motel in town. This one lasted approximately 6 months to a year. The name was changed a few months later to Kingdom Times.
They have since closed up shop there also. Now they are using the web as their shop: Elite Disability Services. There was also the Certified Christian Life Coach. advertisement that ran in the local paper for awhile. Now, I don't know what it takes to get a certification for this type of work, or who would even certify you, but I do know that someone with a life as screwed up as hers had better get her life together before she goes to giving advise to anyone else.

I'm afraid that she has told so many half-truths to everyone that she now believes a lot of what she says is the truth. She reminds me of a cat covering something in a litter box: If she covers it quick enough, then she can throw suspicion or guilt on someone else, which it seems she has been doing for most of her adult life.

A word to Mr. Crain if he is monitoring the site: The same road is being followed as with every husband she has had for the last 4 marriages. So if you are a healer as you claim, lets see what you can do with someone who has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.
Lets keep people posted and stop this pair of crooks!!!

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AUTHOR: Anon - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 01, 2009

Dear Anon in Sioux Falls:

I wish we were able to tell you all we know about these two, but unfortunately I do believe they are monitoring this site. I have contacted a few newspapers telling them that if they or any of the townspeople have any information to email me at the address I provided. Crimestoppers has also been contacted. Hopefully it will get hot enough in the area for them to pack up and leave again. If not leaving, then behind bars will do for me also.

In response to something that I noted in your letter, Sherrie is not the granddaughter to Sam Walton, although with all the deceit that is floating around her, this is probably another of her white lies. But I will not go into that here.

The church that they had in Gettysburg was being run out of a motel in town. This one lasted approximately 6 months to a year. The name was changed a few months later to Kingdom Times.
They have since closed up shop there also. Now they are using the web as their shop: Elite Disability Services. There was also the Certified Christian Life Coach. advertisement that ran in the local paper for awhile. Now, I don't know what it takes to get a certification for this type of work, or who would even certify you, but I do know that someone with a life as screwed up as hers had better get her life together before she goes to giving advise to anyone else.

I'm afraid that she has told so many half-truths to everyone that she now believes a lot of what she says is the truth. She reminds me of a cat covering something in a litter box: If she covers it quick enough, then she can throw suspicion or guilt on someone else, which it seems she has been doing for most of her adult life.

A word to Mr. Crain if he is monitoring the site: The same road is being followed as with every husband she has had for the last 4 marriages. So if you are a healer as you claim, lets see what you can do with someone who has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.
Lets keep people posted and stop this pair of crooks!!!

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AUTHOR: Anon - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 01, 2009

Dear Anon in Sioux Falls:

I wish we were able to tell you all we know about these two, but unfortunately I do believe they are monitoring this site. I have contacted a few newspapers telling them that if they or any of the townspeople have any information to email me at the address I provided. Crimestoppers has also been contacted. Hopefully it will get hot enough in the area for them to pack up and leave again. If not leaving, then behind bars will do for me also.

In response to something that I noted in your letter, Sherrie is not the granddaughter to Sam Walton, although with all the deceit that is floating around her, this is probably another of her white lies. But I will not go into that here.

The church that they had in Gettysburg was being run out of a motel in town. This one lasted approximately 6 months to a year. The name was changed a few months later to Kingdom Times.
They have since closed up shop there also. Now they are using the web as their shop: Elite Disability Services. There was also the Certified Christian Life Coach. advertisement that ran in the local paper for awhile. Now, I don't know what it takes to get a certification for this type of work, or who would even certify you, but I do know that someone with a life as screwed up as hers had better get her life together before she goes to giving advise to anyone else.

I'm afraid that she has told so many half-truths to everyone that she now believes a lot of what she says is the truth. She reminds me of a cat covering something in a litter box: If she covers it quick enough, then she can throw suspicion or guilt on someone else, which it seems she has been doing for most of her adult life.

A word to Mr. Crain if he is monitoring the site: The same road is being followed as with every husband she has had for the last 4 marriages. So if you are a healer as you claim, lets see what you can do with someone who has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.
Lets keep people posted and stop this pair of crooks!!!

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#13 Consumer Comment

shocked

AUTHOR: Andrea - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, June 25, 2009

I am actually, well was, an old friend of Mr. Crain. I have known him since 1983 and we were friends until early last year. He suddenly notified me that he could no longer be my friend because his life had become complicated. I know about the car because I rode in it. I know about Ms. Walton because he mentioned her name in conversations prior, and I know about the church he started because he told me about it. He failed to tell me everything else! It all makes sense now...I am in complete shock. No wonder why he never invited me over for dinner. No wonder why he was acting so strangely. I did buy a computer from him and it turned out to be a piece of junk. So many things were wrong but I just couldn't put my finger on it....until now! Thomas if you are reading this...How? Why?

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RE: House Of Fire Sanctuary...

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 17, 2009

I have not been on here for a while, but I read the last comment said something about his last church was in Gettysburg?? When did he run from that church??
I know exactly where he lives, with the MS.. WEALTHY Sherrie Walton.. whom is Sam Walton's (founder of Walmart) grandaughter... I will not shop Walmart anymore and keep filling his pockets because of this..

Thank you, please help lock this crook crain up!!!
I have called everyone I possibly could, please know, the authorities are investigating.. It takes time. He is being watched, very carefully.

Please do share what you can on here with us.. keep us updated on current events..

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#11 Consumer Comment

House of fire

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, May 12, 2009

Thomas Crane . Theres someone who needs to be put away. I have alot more info on him but don't have the time to tell all. As you know, he has no address other then the church he last had in Gettysburg Pa. If anyone needs to find him , just look up Sherrie Walton from the white pages in Aspers Pa. and thats where hes at.
Now to the one who said shes writing a book, I wish there was a way we could talk. I have alot for your book.

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#10 Consumer Comment

I think the man has repented, so leave him alone

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 03, 2009

Maybe you would benefit more from working for a living rather then complaining so much about one who has sinned against your God.
The man has repented and moved on so forget him:

http://www.thomaslcrain.net/excerpts_book2.htm

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Article On Thomas Crain

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, February 09, 2009

At the beginning of the road
Lately, I have been looking into the mirror a lot. I have been checking to see if my dunce cap is straight. I also turn around to see how much of my derrire is still left after being taken in by the Reverend Thomas Crain and his Zephyr Marketing. There are a lot of us doing that in Ely. Rev. Crain was a master of salesmanship. He always had a bright positive air about him. Even now there are employees who have not been paid who still wish to support him. One wonders if we as a community should change our attitudes towards new business and outsiders?
I have always admired people who start new businesses. I have started several myself and know how hard it is. The fact is over 90% of all businesses fail in the first two years. That is not a good success rate. It is amazing anyone is foolish enough to try, yet it is the secret of our country's prosperity. Even with 90% failing, the other 10% manages to create wealth, jobs and security. My openness to someone who wants to start a business in Ely is the secret to my success in the leasing business, but it is, also, my weakness. It allows someone to come in and fail. It allows someone to leave me with bad checks. Whenever a business fails in Ely everyone talks about it. When one fails because of dishonesty and fraud it really gets talked about. It even rated a five minute TV report on KMSP in Minneapolis.

In a way I feel sorry for the Rev. Crain. Even though he owes me over $3,000 I liked his can-do attitude. I liked the fact that he wanted to create jobs and help our community. The ironic thing is that if he used his talents honestly he probably would be a success. Now he has to deal with the Minnesota Attorney General's Office, the Postal Inspector's Fraud Department in Minneapolis and eventually the IRS. His life is going to be very complex.

I found it odd last summer when Crain told me he did not have any friends in Minneapolis. Now I know why. He cannot afford to stay in one place for any length of time. That is the price of always using other people's money and possessions. What I have learned of Rev. Crain is that he has a long trail of unpaid bills.
I have seen people like this before. They outwardly act as sincere and honest people. Inwardly, they plot for every advantage they can get. Some call this the Clinton disease. President Clinton still does not understand the moral wrong he did with Monica. Just the other day Clinton stated that beating impeachment was one of his administra-tion's greatest accomplishments. I find that hard to understand. Where is the shame?

I feel sorry for all those who have been taken advantage of by Crain. I felt sorry to the small copier business in Minneapolis that leased Zephyr a copier and has not seen a payment in six months. They were very surprised to find their copier is now 240 miles away.

I feel sorry for the honest employees who were duped by Crain with his promises of high pay and big bonuses. A year from now it will be a faded memory, at least for those of us who are honest. We will move on. For Rev. Crain, it will probably be business as usual. He will move to another town, maybe another state and continue to do what he does best cheat people. What a pathetic life. He can never put down roots, never own a home, never know when someone will recognize him from the past, never have any long term friends.
Finally, I feel sorry for those that try to start a new business, because folks like Rev. Crain give entrepreneurs a bad name. Most people are basically honest. They may drive over the speed limit on the freeway or do some other small infraction that does not harm anyone.
Then there are the Rev. Crains who take advantage of human nature and our liberal laws on bad checks. They play the system like a harp from hell and can go for years without paying the piper. They know that it takes a mountain of evidence before any state attorney general's office actually takes legal action. I just find the price of no roots, no friends, and no family life, a life not worth living. There are many forms of wealth and Rev. Crain will find they cannot be bought with dirty money and bad checks.
I urge anyone who has been wronged by Rev. Crain, to complain loudly to the Attorney General's office. Write to: Mr. Don Donahugh, MN Attorney General Office, 102 State Capital, St. Paul, MN 55155. A call to the Department of Revenue would be a good idea. While you are at it, report him ...???????

This was reported in Oct 2000 from the ely echo.
This crook must be stopped!!

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RE: Thomas Crain

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 08, 2009

Thank you for the valuable information. I will put it to GOOD use!! I promise!
I also filed a report on here regarding the elite disability services inc they are running. I left 2 messages with jm to call me and that it's ok to give out my number to you.
Thank you so much! You are a real asset and helping to save more victims out there. I am sorry you experienced what you did, he is very sneaky.
Can you call jm and get my number? I have not received a call back yet.
Newspapers and reporters, here I come!

Joe, I know you are not even understanding much of what we are talking about here.. but try to bear with us. Any info on how to put this felon behind bars again will certainly help. Crimestoppers will be contacted. Thank you!

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to LB and Joe

AUTHOR: Lets Play - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 07, 2009

Get ahold of the Ely Echo the newspaper in Ely Minnesota and Fox9 news investigators (Jeff Balliant) they were the ones that origanally broke the story on Mr. Crain back in Sept. or Oct. of 2000. I wish I could help you more with this but I am so afraid of this man I can barely breath when I think of him. Wish I could find a way to get ahold of you. I have a much bigger story to tell. Bigger than yours even LB

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more information that you are looking for

AUTHOR: Lets Play - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 07, 2009

to find more information about federal prison records go to www.bop.gov/iloc2/LocateInmate.jsp type his name into the search engine you will see he has a federal record.

I have reason to believe that Sherri is just being used by Mr. Crain. I was a very good friend of Mr. Crains Girl Friend during the time that he was commiting his felony. She was completely Brainwashed by him. She lost every earthly possession she ever had to him plus her dignity and pride.

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RE: Thomas Crain

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 07, 2009

Thank you for your responses.

First of all, House of Fire sanctuary is suppose to be a church, unfortunatly, the so called pastor thomas crain (ordained off the internet in less than 5 minutes) is a cult leader and a scam artist.

I have a question or 2, is it legal for a felon to operate a church??
Who can we reoprt him to?

Mr Crain, I know you are reading this and I don't really care, because God is BIGGER than you, and he will see to it with my help that you go where you belong MR.

I am going to tell my story on here, as people need to be aware of this smooth talking person. I am going to write a book on this and a juvenile that I know who is my friend knows contacts on making a lifetime movie about this.

Mr Crain can be best described as I know him as a man who has hands as smooth as glass. Another words, he does not know anything about HARD LABOR.
He likes to wash his hands alot, and washes them with cologne, expensive cologne!
He has a hypnosis voice. He laughs ALOT!
A quick obsevation of him is he is ALWAYS PARANOID. I would be too if I were him. That was a dead giveaway in his sermons. What "pastor" always looks over his shoulder as he does.
He is a very smart man, but he is very "sloppy" at what he does. My teenagers who are also victims caught on to him before I did. This speaks VOLUMES!.

He should be afaraid of us, not afraid of him!

My initials are LB and my husbans is WB.
Mr Crain claimed to be a english teacher in Wisconsin. Then he said he was a cashier at a grocery store. Which I know is true, because my spouse worked with him and that's how they met many years ago. Like maybe 5yrs ago.

My spouse has a heart for the Lord as well as I do. So Mr. Crain and my spouse get to talking about the Lord, etc... Then crain quits his job and they lose contact. Crain finds my spouse a couple years later, and says that God has blessed him big time. He would not say how much $ he was supposedly blessed with and goes on to say that God has called him to start a church in Sioux Falls, SD.
Then he says God told him he wants our family of 5 to help him start it.
I asked to see his ministers License and he showed it to me. It was legit. I asked him if he ever went to school to be a pastor and he said NO. He said he was ordained.
He knows the bible like the back of his hand, so we thought he was for real.
We were having financial difficulty in Forest Lake, MN and foreclosed on our home and moved to Sioux Falls with this man.

By the way, when he said God blessed him with all of this $ he went out and bought a 2008 Mercedes and paid cash for it. hmmmm.

We have been in Sioux Falls 1year to date. We are happy here, and do not regret the move, but regret knowing this man.

Anyway, he used my spouse and Sherrie Walton to start the house of fire sanctuary church here, which was run out of a little strip mall type of building.

I am not sure if the laws are the same for every state, but here, they require no less than 3 people to start the church and no more than 10.
So he got his minimum he needed.
The church here started Feb 24th 2008.

My spouse as well as Sherrie walton and crain all had to sign a certificate of Inc Non profit Corp drawn of by CHRIS NELSON Secratry of state.

So we start the church and no one attended for weeks on end except my family of 5 and juvenile family friend who moved with us. WE were his only audience, lol... He finally shut down when the kids realized he was a fake. They kept saying they did not want to go anymore, and it caused alot of friction in our family, because we thought this is what God wanted for our family.

Mr. crain had the nerve to tell us to have our son emancipated! We asked that he would pray WITH US and he said prayer does no good. Then he goes on to say our kids are like snakes living in a cave. This was all I needed to get up and walk away. He had my spouse brainwashed to leave me and the kids. What REAL pastor would say all of these harsh things?

When I finally convinced my spouse he was a spiritual abuser, he called crain to tell him he wanted out. Crains rebuttle was if you leave, you will go to HELL. They were literally arguing on the phone. Crain put up a good fight to keep my spouse in this ring, but he did not win this time.

So after we no longer attended, he and sherrie kept the doors open for maybe 3 weeks. My spouse wrote a letter to crain, and ordered him to have his name removed from the certificate of Inc, as he was no longer a part of that church cult thing he was running.
We told crain that we would be following up with CHRIS NELSON the sec of state here, to make sure it was removed within 2 weeks. It was removed all right, along with his and sherrie's. They packed up and moved to PA to start all over again! jeez!

Mr crain travels light. Back in MN when we were getting ready to move, crain moved here a month before we could. He asked my spouse to help him lift a couple of heavy items he had into a rented "van" not a truck, but a van lol.. My spouse saw his place of residence in prior lake, mn and it was very small.

My point here is, when he moved to Sioux Falls, he moved in a van, and bought a home on a lease purchase. The house he got that we never saw inside, was a 4 bedroom!! A single man, all his possesions in a van, I asked him why he needed such a big house. His response?? well, if he ever had guest speakers they could stay with him. I finally figured out the truth after the fact.. he needed a 4bdrm to house his fellow cults. He wanted my spouse to leave me and the kids and run with him.

He ended up breaking his lease on his house and the blg he ran the church out of. This man spent $1500- $2000 per sign for the church. There were plenty of signs.

The only sign he did not have was a WARNING sign, lol...

There is alot more to this story than I can type. As I said I will be putting a book out there someday. He can read my copy when he is behind bars where he belongs.

To the original poster or anyone else who has valuable info on this crook.

Let's take him down!!

Hope you had fun reading this crain, I will expose you until you are behind bars. I am not letting up on you.!! Justin's dad has alot of weight to carry over you too. You know you mentally abused justin my friend. His dad is going to see you behind bars also. So keep looking over your shoulder and be paranoid, the world now knows about you. You can run, but you cannot hide. If you cannot do the time, don't do the crime MR.!

Like I said, I am not afraid of crain, he is sloppy and if he knows what's best for him, he will stay away from me and my family, because I have the energies to go after him and put him where he belongs. And I will too.

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THOMAS CRAIN House of fire sanctuary

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 07, 2009

Thank you for your responses.

First of all, House of Fire sanctuary is suppose to be a church, unfortunatly, the so called pastor thomas crain (ordained off the internet in less than 5 minutes) is a cult leader and a scam artist.

I have a question or 2, is it legal for a felon to operate a church??
Who can we reoprt him to?

Mr Crain, I know you are reading this and I don't really care, because God is BIGGER than you, and he will see to it with my help that you go where you belong MR.

I am going to tell my story on here, as people need to be aware of this smooth talking person. I am going to write a book on this and a juvenile that I know who is my friend knows contacts on making a lifetime movie about this.

Mr Crain can be best described as I know him as a man who has hands as smooth as glass. Another words, he does not know anything about HARD LABOR.
He likes to wash his hands alot, and washes them with cologne, expensive cologne!
He has a hypnosis voice. He laughs ALOT!
A quick obsevation of him is he is ALWAYS PARANOID. I would be too if I were him. That was a dead giveaway in his sermons. What "pastor" always looks over his shoulder as he does.
He is a very smart man, but he is very "sloppy" at what he does. My teenagers who are also victims caught on to him before I did. This speaks VOLUMES!.

He should be afaraid of us, not afraid of him!

My initials are LB and my husbans is WB.
Mr Crain claimed to be a english teacher in Wisconsin. Then he said he was a cashier at a grocery store. Which I know is true, because my spouse worked with him and that's how they met many years ago. Like maybe 5yrs ago.

My spouse has a heart for the Lord as well as I do. So Mr. Crain and my spouse get to talking about the Lord, etc... Then crain quits his job and they lose contact. Crain finds my spouse a couple years later, and says that God has blessed him big time. He would not say how much $ he was supposedly blessed with and goes on to say that God has called him to start a church in Sioux Falls, SD.
Then he says God told him he wants our family of 5 to help him start it.
I asked to see his ministers License and he showed it to me. It was legit. I asked him if he ever went to school to be a pastor and he said NO. He said he was ordained.
He knows the bible like the back of his hand, so we thought he was for real.
We were having financial difficulty in Forest Lake, MN and foreclosed on our home and moved to Sioux Falls with this man.

By the way, when he said God blessed him with all of this $ he went out and bought a 2008 Mercedes and paid cash for it. hmmmm.

We have been in Sioux Falls 1year to date. We are happy here, and do not regret the move, but regret knowing this man.

Anyway, he used my spouse and Sherrie Walton to start the house of fire sanctuary church here, which was run out of a little strip mall type of building.

I am not sure if the laws are the same for every state, but here, they require no less than 3 people to start the church and no more than 10.
So he got his minimum he needed.
The church here started Feb 24th 2008.

My spouse as well as Sherrie walton and crain all had to sign a certificate of Inc Non profit Corp drawn of by CHRIS NELSON Secratry of state.

So we start the church and no one attended for weeks on end except my family of 5 and juvenile family friend who moved with us. WE were his only audience, lol... He finally shut down when the kids realized he was a fake. They kept saying they did not want to go anymore, and it caused alot of friction in our family, because we thought this is what God wanted for our family.

Mr. crain had the nerve to tell us to have our son emancipated! We asked that he would pray WITH US and he said prayer does no good. Then he goes on to say our kids are like snakes living in a cave. This was all I needed to get up and walk away. He had my spouse brainwashed to leave me and the kids. What REAL pastor would say all of these harsh things?

When I finally convinced my spouse he was a spiritual abuser, he called crain to tell him he wanted out. Crains rebuttle was if you leave, you will go to HELL. They were literally arguing on the phone. Crain put up a good fight to keep my spouse in this ring, but he did not win this time.

So after we no longer attended, he and sherrie kept the doors open for maybe 3 weeks. My spouse wrote a letter to crain, and ordered him to have his name removed from the certificate of Inc, as he was no longer a part of that church cult thing he was running.
We told crain that we would be following up with CHRIS NELSON the sec of state here, to make sure it was removed within 2 weeks. It was removed all right, along with his and sherrie's. They packed up and moved to PA to start all over again! jeez!

Mr crain travels light. Back in MN when we were getting ready to move, crain moved here a month before we could. He asked my spouse to help him lift a couple of heavy items he had into a rented "van" not a truck, but a van lol.. My spouse saw his place of residence in prior lake, mn and it was very small.

My point here is, when he moved to Sioux Falls, he moved in a van, and bought a home on a lease purchase. The house he got that we never saw inside, was a 4 bedroom!! A single man, all his possesions in a van, I asked him why he needed such a big house. His response?? well, if he ever had guest speakers they could stay with him. I finally figured out the truth after the fact.. he needed a 4bdrm to house his fellow cults. He wanted my spouse to leave me and the kids and run with him.

He ended up breaking his lease on his house and the blg he ran the church out of. This man spent $1500- $2000 per sign for the church. There were plenty of signs.

The only sign he did not have was a WARNING sign, lol...

There is alot more to this story than I can type. As I said I will be putting a book out there someday. He can read my copy when he is behind bars where he belongs.

To the original poster or anyone else who has valuable info on this crook...

Let's take him down!!

Hope you had fun reading this crain, I will expose you until you are behind bars. I am not letting up on you.!! Justin's dad has alot of weight to carry over you too. You know you mentally abused justin my friend. His dad is going to see you behind bars also. So keep looking over your shoulder and be paranoid, the world now knows about you. You can run, but you cannot hide. If you cannot do the time, don't do the crime MR.!

Like I said, I am not afraid of crain, he is sloppy and if he knows what's best for him, he will stay away from me and my family, because I have the energies to go after him and put him where he belongs. And I will too.

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IS HOUSE OF FIRE AN ARSON SERVICE, A SATANIC CHURCH, A BAR BQ JOINT OR WHAT?

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 07, 2009

I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE HOUSE OF FIRE.

IT COULD BE ALMOST ANYTHING.

I MADE A FEW GUESSES, NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE BUT INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW...ESPECIALLY IF THEY BELONG TO ARSON INVESTIGATORS AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

IF THEY HAVE A CRIMESTOPPERS LINE WHERE HE IS AT AND YOU WANT TO BE A LITTLE PROACTIVE AND HE REALLY HAS DONE ALL OF THAT STUFF, MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANT TO CAL THAT CRIMESTOPPERS LINE AND TELL THEM TO KEEP AN EYE ON THIS HOUSE OF FIRE...

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Thomas Crain

AUTHOR: Lets Play - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 06, 2009

Trust me.... She is just brain washed by him and he will use her until she is used up. I am pretty sure I know who you are. This may freak you out but you lived in WB and you worked for FL. He dooped me too. For years..... I wish there were some way that we could talk..... Get ahold of JM who works at RB and tell her to get ahold of me.... she knows who I am.... she is worried about you.... I have tons of information but I fear for my safety.

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RE:Thomas Crain and Sherrie Walton

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 06, 2009

As far as I am concerned, Sherrie Walton is in on this as much as Mr. Crain. She has been on his side for the past 2 or 3yrs.
They both are running scams on the internet.
If you do a zabba search on thomas crain, you will see for yourself how much he has moved around.
I would be interested in how you found out this felony info on crain, as I have done extensive research on the internet (without paying) to bring this scam artist to his knees.
Please help and give more insight if possible.
Thank you.

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