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Complaint Review: James Bede BedeCorp - Medina Ohio

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  • Reported By: Colorado Springs Colorado
  • James Bede BedeCorp 6440 Norwalk Rd Medina, Ohio U.S.A.

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Here is a summary of experiences with James Bede of BedeCorp. From feedback I received from many other past victims, this behavior is Bede's way of life since the mid-1970's. He can best be described as a scammer, a con artist, a liar, and a thief (and doing so very poorly at that):

Mid-December 2005 - I received an unsolicited letter from Jim Bede BedeCorp, Medina, Ohio, about the fully revitalized BD-4 aircraft kit program. Per Bede's offer letter to purchase available kits, material kits are available and off-the-shelf parts are easily obtainable. I arranged to meet Bede in his office in mid-January. He had plenty of time to assemble subkits.

January 13, 2006, I paid Bede in full for seven subkits he had been advertising as available. I walk around his sparsely-equipped shop. (For a sheet metal shop, that is not too alarming.) Payment was made in his office via personal check. The check is cashed the very next day. This was NOT an Internet deal. All Federal trade laws and Ohio state trade laws apply.

Mid-June - After half a dozen phone calls and e-mails requesting and demanding a full refund (multiple violations of the Uniform Commercial Code - Article 2 - Sales) and requesting and demanding parts delivery, some parts (not all) of the wing subassembly finally show up (21 weeks after ordering). Most kit suppliers deliver full kits in an average of 8 weeks.

Mid-July - Discovered Bede sent 192 sq ft of wing skin of .020 inch thickness. The Bill of materials clearly calls out for .025 inch thickness. I demand Bede replaces it. He does nothing. I still have the .020 inch thick skins. Wing work stopped.

Next few months, I make more phone calls demanding parts delivery. Bits and pieces arrive every 4-5 weeks. No full subkit arrive. Laser-cut gussets are of reject quality; corroded parts arrive.

August - I physically drive to Bede's shop to pick up parts. There are still no landing gear parts. There are no frame struts. Bede admits he has not yet found a supplier to even make them! And he continues to advertise material kits are available. He claims a BD-4C is in the works. He offers it to me at no additional cost. I later realize this was a delay tactic. A BD-4C has never been built even as a prototype.

October 17, 2006 - Still needs parts to complete the wing. Have no fundamental frame channels with which to start the fuselage. Am demanding parts every week by now. Bede states my order is "top priority". I ask the Medina County Sheriff to talk to Bede to convince him to send parts. The Sheriff talks to Bede; tells me this is not a crime, he can not do anything. Bede sends me a $50 gas gauge, nothing more, to appease me. It is now obvious to me that he no longer has any money and is desparate to take in more unsuspecting victims.

November and December - I hire an attorney from Medina, Ohio, who specializes in contract laws. He knows of Bede's reputation. Attorney sends letters to Bede demanding parts. Some parts arrive: Bent sheet aluminum; angles that are 48 inches long (bill of materials call for 84 inchlong pieces; a cheap block of wood arrives; bill of materials calls for two round dowels). My attorney advises action will be taken if parts are not delivered. He encourages Bede to comply with the contract.

January 2007 - I again demand parts from Bede. He delivers a few small sheets of aluminum. No more deliveries arrive after that month. I again point out the serious matter of non-delivery.

February 2007 - My attorney sends a formal complaint to the Ohio Attorney General office. Bede admits to my lawyer that "it should have been obvious to the customer that kits were not available". (His nearly - verbatum words, not mine.) He admits to the Attorney General inquiry that he cannot get parts. He cannot get parts from Aircraft Spruce!? ALL his literature emphasized that off-the-shelf parts are readily available.

The Attorney General office replies to me they need more complaints before they will take action. My loss claim of $24,700 is not significant to them. Bede's voluntary admission of failures and false advertising is not significant to them. I let them know I am displeased with their attitude. The Ohio State Attorney General's office is worthless.

March 2007 - Ask my attorney to pursue this matter via the civil court system. He says mediation will probably be ordered. Reports are coming to me from other Bede product buyers I connect with via Internet that their phone calls and e-mails to Bede are not being answered. I suspect Bede has shut down shop and wants to hide again, as he has done many times in the past. He has no money and no intent to face the truth.

April 2007 - As of this writing (15 months later), I have not received: horizontal tail stabilizer parts to include the ribs; no vertical tail stabilizer parts (spars or ribs); no seats; no basic instruments; no plexiglas; no engine cowling; no wing tips; no landing gear struts; no wheels, no tires, no brake
assembly-anything. The stainless steel firewall sheet is 4 inches too narrow. Fireproof engine cooling baffling is the wrong dimensions and not enough surface area. Nineteen pints of two-part epoxy has expired its shelf life (could not use it to assemble the wing because I still am awaiting wing parts.) All these items (and more) are contractually deliverable per BedeCorp's own Bill of Materials.

His web advertising has a spectacular page touting the BD-4c and its impressive performance. Let me emphasize that, as of this posting, no BD-4C has been built even as a prototype. No grounds exist for the performance claims put forth by BedeCorp. Reputable dealers build and tune prototypes before announcing a
product to the world. Irresponsible and reckless dealers make claims as Bede is now doing.

I am sending out consumer warnings to each and every EAA chapter for which I can find an e-mail address. I wrote to Kitplanes magazine and asked why they continue to advertise Bede; no answer from them. Have asked the EAA Headquarters for help; they have an interest in this matter. Am spreading the word to never buy anything from Jim Bede. Only truth is included. My attorney knows I am doing this and states it is perfectly legal to do so. To date, at least half a dozen readers have heeded my warning, and they are so grateful!

I will send anyone scores of pages of documentation and photographs of the few parts that have arrived. I challenge anyone to prove Bede is complying with the contract.

To date, I am out over $24,700. Future attorney fees will bump that up. I suspect Bede has no money. I personally have been told of his development of two more light-sport aircraft and purchase of an expensive Computer-Aided Design program while I waited for parts delivery.

If anyone has useful advice, I will listen with full intent to comply with their advice.

Michael
Colorado Springs, Colorado
U.S.A.

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#3 Author of original report

Bede BD-4C Ripoff Update

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 03, 2009

November 3 2009, from Michael of Colorado Springs, the writer of the original report. In a simplified condensed form:

I am not going to let this deal hide in history, forgotten due to negligence. The public has the right to know how some "dealers" treat their customers.

This "deal" has been closed, not settled to anyone's satisfaction, 46 months after I purchased a "complete" kit. I paid way too much for what I did receive, and spent even more to get what should have been delivered. Overall, I will never, ever recommend this kit to anyone, used or otherwise. I wish I had never heard of Bede.

I have spent over $15,000 in attorney fees trying to get the parts of a "complete kit" that Bede agreed to deliver, per a written legal and binding contact, signed on January 13, 2006.

I still do not have all my parts: still no .025 inch wingskins at all. They will cost almost $1,000 before I see them. I have to purchase a whole new set of epoxy to the tune of $2,000. Some parts are grossly overpriced. Example: I paid over $850 for the flimsy cowling nosebowl (finally received in November of 2008, almost 34 months after kit purchase in full.) Aircraft Spruce sells near-identical nosebowls for under $98. That is not a typo error. Bede's price was over eight times what Aircraft Spruce sells for the same item. A few other parts are grossly overpriced as well.

Bits and pieces showed up during the 2008 year from some distributing company, not from BedeCorp. I ruled out Bede's claim of "revitalized quality control". I still have rusted steel parts. Bede says I should clean them with steel wool. He refused to take them back because they are "used". The parts are still in their original sealed plastic sleeve.

I expected basic welded steel parts to arrive. They did not. With this "kit", I have to hire a welder to assemble selected parts. Very disappointing.

I noted in this "complete kit" that there were no pieces of seatbelt and shoulder harness whatsoever. When was the last time anyone had an airplane pass FAA inspection without seatbelts and shoulder harness?

That so-called Bill of Materials contained many "typo errors" as claimed by Bede. As such, he made up material revisions on-the-fly without my agreement. Legal contracts do not allow this behavior.

Bede's book has not been updated since the 1970's. Maybe it was acceptable 35 years ago. A builder must look for recommended improvements posted on the Internet by past builders. Modern kit suppliers provide current and up-to-date builder manuals with their kits that they deliver in only eight weeks or so.

This "deal" was the very worst financial fiasco I have ever encountered. I gave up hope getting the right parts a long time ago.  If you want to see the string of legal correspondence generated in this matter, open a search on Medina County Clerk of Courts. A few more screens later, search on "Bede". Someplace in that listing of cases you will find my name as a plaintiff. The listings are all publicly available for review, posted by the court clerks.

There is nothing more to add, other than review the exchange of comments posted in April 2007 of a BD-4 builder's forum site. My name and phone number can be found there. Anyone is welcome to call me if they want more information. Or they can contact the president of EAA Chapter 72. Find it on the Internet. Ask the president to relay your phone number and I will call you back.

Note that Bede has never responded to my original posting. He knows it exists; he demanded I remove this posting from RipoffReport.com. I did not even try. I noted that Bede never responded to EAA HQ's inquiry about this matter as well.

If you have to purchase a kit from Bede, I truly hope you enjoy it more than I did with my experience.

Michael from Colorado Springs

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#2 Consumer Comment

BedeCorp BD-4C All-Aluminum Airplane BD-4LSA

AUTHOR: Cbishop - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, August 02, 2009
I have looked at the posting from the guy in Colorado Springs who filed a complaint against BedeCorp and James Bede. The original complaint from Michael and some responses from James Bede have been posted to http://lists.bd-4.org/private.cgi/bd4-bd-4.org/ in April 2007. I have seen the same complaint listed here at RipoffReport. If you have not seen them and are interested in what Bede sells, you'd better read the April 2007 posting.

My question to both Michael of Colorado Springs and James Bede: What is the update? Has this been settled? Michael - Are you still missing parts? If so, what? Michael's e-mail address is included in the April 2007 posting. Maybe he will answer if someone writes to him.

Anyone can search the Internet to see the fate of the BD-5 and BD-10. Read the Wikipedia pages about the BD-10. Bede has a long reputation from the buyers of the BD-5 (and did not get their kits) about not telling the truth; Bede tells what he wants you to believe. What Bede says about the BD-10 and what the Wikipedia pages say about the BD-10 are very different. (Bede: too expensive to operate. Wikipedia: crashes and pilots were killed.) I believe public postings reviewed by many before accepting words from Bede.

Bede has a plane as AirVenture this year. It did not fly in; it was trailered in. "Paperwork issues" Bede claims. Bede's claim from months ago said it was going to fly in. It obviously has not been deemed airworthy by the FAA. It is clear that Bede is trying to sell kits. If Bede can not deliver parts to one paid-up-front customer or make his own build fly, I would never believe that he will deliver parts for any more future customers.

Michael says he is took the matter to court. I looked up where Medina, Ohio was. Court cases are probably filed in the county court system. Until I and other readers know if Michael's problems have been settled, I am not buying anything from Bede. Nor recommend anyone else do the same.

Michael - UPDATE please! Did you get what Bede owes you?
James Bede - UPDATE please! Did you deliver everything? I go to airshows and hardly ever see any BD-anythings. I see lots of other planes.
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#1 Consumer Comment

BedeCorp BD-4C All-Aluminum Airplane BD-4LSA

AUTHOR: Cbishop - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, August 02, 2009
I have looked at the posting from the guy in Colorado Springs who filed a complaint against BedeCorp and James Bede. The original complaint from Michael and some responses from James Bede have been posted to http://lists.bd-4.org/private.cgi/bd4-bd-4.org/ in April 2007. I have seen the same complaint listed here at RipoffReport. If you have not seen them and are interested in what Bede sells, you'd better read the April 2007 posting.

My question to both Michael of Colorado Springs and James Bede: What is the update? Has this been settled? Michael - Are you still missing parts? If so, what? Michael's e-mail address is included in the April 2007 posting. Maybe he will answer if someone writes to him.

Anyone can search the Internet to see the fate of the BD-5 and BD-10. Read the Wikipedia pages about the BD-10. Bede has a long reputation from the buyers of the BD-5 (and did not get their kits) about not telling the truth; Bede tells what he wants you to believe. What Bede says about the BD-10 and what the Wikipedia pages say about the BD-10 are very different. (Bede: too expensive to operate. Wikipedia: crashes and pilots were killed.) I believe public postings reviewed by many before accepting words from Bede.

Bede has a plane as AirVenture this year. It did not fly in; it was trailered in. "Paperwork issues" Bede claims. Bede's claim from months ago said it was going to fly in. It obviously has not been deemed airworthy by the FAA. It is clear that Bede is trying to sell kits. If Bede can not deliver parts to one paid-up-front customer or make his own build fly, I would never believe that he will deliver parts for any more future customers.

Michael says he is took the matter to court. I looked up where Medina, Ohio was. Court cases are probably filed in the county court system. Until I and other readers know if Michael's problems have been settled, I am not buying anything from Bede. Nor recommend anyone else do the same.

Michael - UPDATE please! Did you get what Bede owes you?
James Bede - UPDATE please! Did you deliver everything? I go to airshows and hardly ever see any BD-anythings. I see lots of other planes.
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