John Holbrook, John Holbrook II, Jholbrook@woh.rr.com, James Holbrook, Invicta Guys, IwwJohn Holbrook, John Holbrook II, Jholbrook@woh.rr.com, John B. Holbrook rip-off! He stole my watch and sent me a fake one back! criminal Dayton Ohio

The first individual creates a basically anonymous post. "Beverly Hills" is a somewhat vague area, no sir name is given.
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The complainant nails the "complainee" (yeah-I know there's no such word, but it works)listing extensive details as to identity, location,etc.
I fully realize anonymity of the complainant is, and most often for good reason, maintained. This thread is an example of a complainant "shooting from the shadows of anonymity" with what appears to be a less than genuine portrail of an act that might've not even occurred.
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The rebuttals following the initial post lead to the possibility such an act by the complainant
IS! less than genuine.
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I truly enjoy perusing the Rip-off Report and contribute my $.02 periodically. I surely don't intend for this dialogue to be any criticism of The Rip-off report. It's just an awkward situation for anonymous posts to appear from someone with possibly vindictive rather than legitimate complaints. Fortunately, Rip-off Report does provide for rebuttal postings, but in some cases the (business) (person) can still carry the stigma of false accusations.
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EDitor, keep up the good work.You're providing a very effective, necessary forum for complaints. With some, however, a person must "read between the lines".

First off let me start by saying that I am an ex-girlfriend of John's and no longer associate with him.

I came across this posting by accident and was shocked to see such bogus things written about him. Even though our dating relationship did not work out I have never known him to be dishonest... he is a straight-forward and generous person. Not to mention a hard-working, successfull business man who has no need to scam for money. Scam artists by nature are lazy and John is not lazy.

In closing... the posting left by "Loren" does not sound like the John B. Holbrook I know.

Pat, typically I try to find something that others will be able to benefit from.

If the original complaint is, in fact, real, which I doubt, then it certainly qualifies as an example of blind trust.

My comments show the stupidity of blindly trusting others, and the associated results of doing that.

I have a lot of sympathy for someone who does everything correctly, and still gets ripped off. Those people deserve every bit of help they can get from this site. Foolish behavior though, is another matter.

This victim apparently exercised no care in deciding to hand over her valuable. In addition, she is obviously blaming someone who has nothing to do with her loss.

She should feel stupid. In today's society, her actions are foolish. Perhaps if she, and others reading my comment, see the potential losses associated with blind trust, they will think twice before handing over things.

The best way to stop the frauds that are so common in these pages is to use reason and good judgement. I simply pointed out the error of her ways.

Paul,

You filed your rebuttal as a "Consumer Suggestion". Here are the rules:

"I have a Consumer Suggestion or a constructive solution on how to resolve or avoid this Rip-off in the future. Any other nonsense will be ignored"

Everything you typed was nonsense. If you have nothing constructive to add, then please keep your comments to yourself.

Thank you.

I have posted to this site several times and have never paid a dime to do so. The BEST part of this site IS that it is FREE. The second best part is that you have a chance to file a rebuttal which the Better Business Bureau does NOT allow (not for we consumers anyway).

The original complaintant has not responded to your rebuttal. Anyone reading this site would note that and assume that it was a false claim. Your business is not injured. In fact, anyone reading the posts can see that you are willing to follow up with customers who are not satisfied. I suggest you read through some of the other posts on this site and see how many consumers have been helped.

I have posted to this site several times and have never paid a dime to do so. The BEST part of this site IS that it is FREE. The second best part is that you have a chance to file a rebuttal which the Better Business Bureau does NOT allow (not for we consumers anyway).

The original complaintant has not responded to your rebuttal. Anyone reading this site would note that and assume that it was a false claim. Your business is not injured. In fact, anyone reading the posts can see that you are willing to follow up with customers who are not satisfied. I suggest you read through some of the other posts on this site and see how many consumers have been helped.

I have posted to this site several times and have never paid a dime to do so. The BEST part of this site IS that it is FREE. The second best part is that you have a chance to file a rebuttal which the Better Business Bureau does NOT allow (not for we consumers anyway).

The original complaintant has not responded to your rebuttal. Anyone reading this site would note that and assume that it was a false claim. Your business is not injured. In fact, anyone reading the posts can see that you are willing to follow up with customers who are not satisfied. I suggest you read through some of the other posts on this site and see how many consumers have been helped.

Gee, Loren, that sure is a shame what happened to you.

To think, you can't trust a total stranger you meet on the internet! Boy oh boy, what is this world coming to?

Next time, I suggest you send along your wallet, credit cards, and the keys to your Mercedes too. You know, as collateral.

You know what I was wondering? What if someone was pretending to be John. What if his name was really Roger the Con Artist?

Do you think he would just use John's name to get him in trouble? Is that possible?

There should be a law about this. I mean, if you can't trust a total stranger you meet on the internet, then who can you trust?

I had a similar thing happen to me one time, too. I went into a chatroom on the internet. A girl asked to borrow my credit card number to buy something. So, I posted the number there for her to use. And, wouldn't you know it, there were all these funny charges when I got the bill! Another time, I met a nice man at a 7-11. He asked to borrow my car. He said he would bring it right back. I waited there all night. He must have got lost, because I never got my car back.

Let's look on the bright side here. I'm sure whoever you did send your watch to will finish up with his article and send it right back.

I have to use the bathroom. Hey, buddy, can you watch my wallet here on the bar while I use the rest room. Be careful, because I just cashed my income tax check. Oh, here, hold my car keys too. I just bought a brand new Ferrari, and I wouldn't want to drop the keys in the toilet. Thanks, pal!

I have provided the Rip Off Report my contact information and I asked to be contacted so that I could provide proof that I am completely innocent of the claims filed on their web site. The Rip Off Report staff indicated to me that they make no effort whatsoever to research claims posted on their website. They have not called me, or made any effort to put me in touch with the person who filed the claim.

It would seem if they are truly a consumer advocate resource, the would research this issue, or at least put me in touch with the person who filed the report. Of course, the site stands to profit greatly from people who pay for the right to post a message on their site. What does the Rip Off Report care if the claims made are factual or not?

It is most likely this report was filed by someone just trying to damage my reputation. However, if this person was defrauded by someone claiming to be me, then I would be happy to help in any way I can.

John Holbrook

I have contacted the Rip Off Report and requested the removal of this completely false "report" that I have stolen someone's Rolex.



From what I can tell, The Rip-Off Report does no fact checking whatsoever prior to posting their reports. Aparantly anyone with $20.00 can subit a "report" and it will be printed, no questions asked.



I have submited my contact information to The Rip Off Report and asked that they contact me immediately. If "Loren" is a real person who truly was taken advantage of by someone posing as me (I am internationally known for magazine articles I've published so this is possible) then I want to help. Otherwise, this is a malicious attempt by someone with a grudge and $20.00 to ruin my character. The Rip Off Report needs to do the right thing here and contact me immediately.



I will repeat. I do not know Loren, I've never dealt with Loren, nor is there any truth to the claims he/she makes. If Loren had truly been the victem of the fraud that is described, then I'm sure he/she would have adequate proof that the authorities would be able to use. He/she admits to having no proof whatsoever.



I expect this report to be removed.

I have contacted the Rip Off Report and requested the removal of this completely false "report" that I have stolen someone's Rolex.



From what I can tell, The Rip-Off Report does no fact checking whatsoever prior to posting their reports. Aparantly anyone with $20.00 can subit a "report" and it will be printed, no questions asked.



I have submited my contact information to The Rip Off Report and asked that they contact me immediately. If "Loren" is a real person who truly was taken advantage of by someone posing as me (I am internationally known for magazine articles I've published so this is possible) then I want to help. Otherwise, this is a malicious attempt by someone with a grudge and $20.00 to ruin my character. The Rip Off Report needs to do the right thing here and contact me immediately.



I will repeat. I do not know Loren, I've never dealt with Loren, nor is there any truth to the claims he/she makes. If Loren had truly been the victem of the fraud that is described, then I'm sure he/she would have adequate proof that the authorities would be able to use. He/she admits to having no proof whatsoever.



I expect this report to be removed.

I have contacted the Rip Off Report and requested the removal of this completely false "report" that I have stolen someone's Rolex.



From what I can tell, The Rip-Off Report does no fact checking whatsoever prior to posting their reports. Aparantly anyone with $20.00 can subit a "report" and it will be printed, no questions asked.



I have submited my contact information to The Rip Off Report and asked that they contact me immediately. If "Loren" is a real person who truly was taken advantage of by someone posing as me (I am internationally known for magazine articles I've published so this is possible) then I want to help. Otherwise, this is a malicious attempt by someone with a grudge and $20.00 to ruin my character. The Rip Off Report needs to do the right thing here and contact me immediately.



I will repeat. I do not know Loren, I've never dealt with Loren, nor is there any truth to the claims he/she makes. If Loren had truly been the victem of the fraud that is described, then I'm sure he/she would have adequate proof that the authorities would be able to use. He/she admits to having no proof whatsoever.



I expect this report to be removed.

I have contacted the Rip Off Report and requested the removal of this completely false "report" that I have stolen someone's Rolex.



From what I can tell, The Rip-Off Report does no fact checking whatsoever prior to posting their reports. Aparantly anyone with $20.00 can subit a "report" and it will be printed, no questions asked.



I have submited my contact information to The Rip Off Report and asked that they contact me immediately. If "Loren" is a real person who truly was taken advantage of by someone posing as me (I am internationally known for magazine articles I've published so this is possible) then I want to help. Otherwise, this is a malicious attempt by someone with a grudge and $20.00 to ruin my character. The Rip Off Report needs to do the right thing here and contact me immediately.



I will repeat. I do not know Loren, I've never dealt with Loren, nor is there any truth to the claims he/she makes. If Loren had truly been the victem of the fraud that is described, then I'm sure he/she would have adequate proof that the authorities would be able to use. He/she admits to having no proof whatsoever.



I expect this report to be removed.

My name is John Holbrook, and I have been made aware of a posting on your site claiming I "ripped someone off."



There is no truth whatsover to the story printed on your site, and I request it be removed.



I will expect action taken within 24 hrs.



John Holbrook



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