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Complaint Review: Latin Card Plus - MIAMI Nationwide

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Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:35 PM
To: sales@correo.univision.com; mail@oag.state.va.us; russell.esq@lawyer.com; consumer@miamidade.gov; recording@miamidade.gov
Cc: customerservice@latincard.com
Subject: latin card plus fraudelent activities


I called their 1.800 ## advertised on tv when phone customer service agent told me on several times that this would be a credit card with 0% and also that I would have 3k credit line.

They stated that this would be a visa. I asked many times if this would be the case and it was by far the truth, they told me that I would get via FED EX a visa credit card.

After calling several times and everyone telling me the same thing over and over again, that this would be a credit card with a 3k line of credit visa I had no problem with it and agreed to give them an initial $300.00 deposit. They did not disclosed any information about what this really was.

I have brochures that say thay are affiliated with Jiffy Lube. AAMCO, Menieke, Maaco, Carnival and Universal studios. I than called their legal department to find out if this was true. And they all stated the same. They were in no way affiliated with Latin Card PLus and they did not endorsed anything for such company.

I was advise to contact the District attorney since this sounded like fraud. I wonder!! how can people be so dishonest about everything to make a sale. If you can help with this matter I would greatly appreciate it. I 'm also copying the e-mail that I have sent all the companies legal departments as well as the General attoney in Washington DC. to see if legal actions can be taken agains latin card plus for

A. telling me on the phone over and over again that this was credit card with 0% interest rate,

B. not disclosing anything about what terms of this card was

C. Taking a $300.00 deposit based on lies.

This is theft, latin card plus assured me that what I would receive on the fed ex package a credit card with a visa logo with a 3k line of credit.

My name is Luis Axxxxxxx

On 08/16/04 at 6:46 PM I called and spoke with Oracio at 1.800.473.0640 I asked

What were the terms and conditions of this card ?, he explained to me that this a program is design to help the Spanish community and that this was a credit card with 0% interest for one year. I called several times to ask if this was a credit card with 0% for one year. He also took all my personal information SS # work information and also work related information. Just like a credit card company would

A. This would be VISA credit card

B. It would be a 0% for one year.

C. and a 3k credit line

On Wednesday at 12:pm I received a package with brochures and a catalog stating information not pertaining to credit card information.

at 12:30 I called the 1.800.473.2423 to ask about details and what this information was, and alsoto ask why was I assured that this was credit card when is not, a male operator than told me that I needed to active the card and that if I did not they would not be able to help me.I read in the back of the card and it stated that by signing their credit I would agree to everything thy were asking me to do. I called back the original contact number of contact 0640 and they told me that they could not help since they only took calls to process the information. at 12:45 PM I called back, a customer service,an agent picked up the phone and told me that she could not help me until Monday do my information been processed trough the system when I asked for details she A. be came upset started to scream b. she than told me not to call her and hung up the phone. This is after I sent only after I told her that I had given fed ex the $300.

So far all information received has been incorrect and have gotten by far the worst customer service that I've ever encounter.

I 've called the legal departments for, Jiffy Lube, Ammco, Meineke, Maaco and Carnical Cruise and they have confirmed that they are not related to Latin card plus .I have also called the state attorney and sent all documents of this entire transaction. I'm now in the process of seeking legal advise and move forward with this.

They also did not disclosed that there would be a $240.00 dollar fee if I needed to cancel.

I got this information at 1:PM it's now 4:PM and no one has called regarding this matter.

I called at 4:47 and they also told me at the call center (0640) told me, just so that I would not waist their time, that the informations is as follows,

I have to make a purchase, than within 30 to 45 days they they would send me a card with a visa logo on it.

I called again their customer service department told me that their lines were down and I needed to call on Monday.

I read their disclosure agreement and no where does it state that I"ll receive a card with a visa logo and this would have a 3k credit line.

I called all the companies and they have all stated that they are not affiliated in any way with this company.

Luis
alexandria, Virginia
U.S.A.

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Channel 14 and Univision very aware of what is going on

AUTHOR: Luis - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, September 14, 2004

I've talked to the General Manager for this station and if you read all my note you can see that Univision and Telefutura are very aware of what is going on, if they look the other way, than that would be another issue.

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AUTHOR: Luis - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, September 14, 2004

I'm one of the many people that have been scammed by Latin card Plus, if you read this article, you'll see how this guys operate telling people that they are getting a visa credit card, when in reality they get something very different.

Latinos Warn of 'False' Credit Card Advertised to Spanish-speakers as a $2,000 line of credit, Pro Line is derided as a scam by consumer advocates. BY KARA PLATONI
kara.platoni@eastbayexpress.com

Chris Duffey

Customers say they were assured the card could be used anywhere. But it can't.



News Category: Crime


San Leandro resident Amelia Perez was a bit surprised when her husband Carlos decided to order something called the Pro Line card he saw on TV, especially since it cost $299 to open an account. Maybe he was won over because the ad has been so pervasive on local Spanish-language television. "It's sometimes two or three times a day," she says. Or maybe it just sounded too good to pass up; the couple understood it to be a sort of "starter" card with a $2,000 line of credit, designed to help people with little or no credit history establish a solid rating. Like many of the consumers the Pro Line card attracts, the Perezes are working-class Latinos with a limited credit history. They are retired and live off Social Security checks; they have one other credit card but avoid using it. "I don't know why he wanted this card," Amelia laughs. "You know how when they talk on the TV, you think, 'Ooh, this is nice.'"

But the card turned out not to be so nice. Amelia remembers that when she called the toll-free number to sign up, she was explicitly promised she could use it anywhere. "The girl said with this card you can go to any store and buy the same as Visa or MasterCard," she recalls. "But it was not." In fact, once Perez sent off her $299 money order and received her new card, she was shocked to discover that the only places it could be used were a catalogue and an e-commerce site, both run by Pro Line. "You could not use it anyplace except the book they sent us!" she exclaims. "We were disappointed really very bad."

Or take case of Berkeley resident Omar Lliro, who signed up for the Pro Line card to buy a new car he needed for his home repair business. Lliro, who emigrated from Cuba in 1996, liked the part of the company's sales pitch about how customers' payment records would be reported to the major credit bureaus so people could shore up their credit histories. "My credit is not that good," he says. "I saw the opportunity to build up my credit again."

But then the card arrived. "Right away I knew," Lliro says. "When I saw those catalogue that they gave me, I said, 'This is not a credit card, this is a company who wants me to buy things from them and then pay them some money." It was clear no auto dealer would accept the card, but it was too late -- he had already sent away his money. "They don't allow you to see anything until you deposit the $299!" he laments.

Stories like these are becoming all too familiar to San Francisco-based Consumer Action, an advocacy group that has fielded 350 complaints in the last several weeks from irate Californians wanting out of their contracts with the card company. Joseph Ridout, consumer services manager for Consumer Action, says that while Pro Line is headquartered in Florida, its cards are selling briskly in the Bay Area and Los Angeles, where the company has targeted Latinos with ads on affiliates of networks such as Telemundo and Galavision.

While the ad is ambiguous about what the Pro Line card actually does, Ridout says, the vast majority of the cardholders who contacted Consumer Action said that they were promised a Visa card that could be used anywhere. When they tried to complain, they were often told that the person who handled their initial registration was no longer available or that they must pay a variety of cancellation and processing fees that add up to about $250 of the original $299 deposit. "It's really just a transparent scam," he says. "This card has no value whatsoever."

Carlos Mendez, a principal in Pro Line Card LLC who identifies himself as marketing manager, claims that customers are indeed ordering from the catalogue and Web site. The company, in operation since last November, has about ten thousand customers, Mendez says, of whom two or three thousand are placing orders.

Assuming that's true, it might still seem strange that just 20 to 30 percent of the cardholders bother to use the card. That is, until you see what Pro Line charges for some of the ten thousand products it boasts are available: A 5.8 GHz VTech cordless phone the company offers for $229.99 sells for $59.99 at BestBuy.com. The Canon PowerShot 3.2 megapixel digital camera, which Pro Line lists for $599.99, is $149.99 from Best Buy. And Pro Line members pay double for that Evenflo car seat or family-size George Foreman grill, compared with Sears or Target's online shops. "They're products no one would ever want to buy because you can get it for half the price in the store," Ridout notes. "There are only three or four people we've heard of who have ordered from this thing. They mostly take a look at it and go, 'Oh my God!'"

It gets even more outrageous: Amelia Perez, one of those few who actually tried to order something, inquired about a $500 home gym and was told she'd need to pony up $300 for shipping. The operator explained that the hefty fee was because of the weight of the product. Perez declined on the gym, but when she later tried to purchase a coffeemaker that Pro Line listed for less than twenty dollars, she was shocked to learn she'd have to pay sixty bucks for shipping. "I said 'Forget it,'" she recalls. "I can buy it at Walgreens."

Pro Line's Mendez defends the price structure as the trade-off a small company must make to do business with clients other retailers might regard as credit risks. Unlike Wal-Mart and other megastores, he says, his company doesn't deal in bulk. More to the point, he says, Wal-Mart and its ilk won't finance your purchases without knowing your credit history. Pro Line will. "We don't ask nothing about the person -- where they work, how much they are making in the payroll," he says.

In fact, you don't even need a Social Security number -- which makes the deal more enticing to illegal immigrants. Mendez portrays the company as one that offers a valuable social service. "It's mostly for Spanish-speaking customers and people that don't have credit history," he says. "We help them to begin that because we don't check credit history. We only ask them for a down payment."

Pro Line cardholders are indeed asked to pay a portion of the purchase price upfront -- 40 percent, according to the enrollment contract on the Web site, although this number appears to be flexible. The balance is then billed monthly for a year, the contract states. If customers demonstrate that they can pay on time, they are charged less upfront for future purchases, the company claims. Meanwhile, Mendez says, Pro Line helps customers build positive credit histories by reporting their payment records to the credit bureaus.

And what of those customers who thought that their $299 would get them a real credit card? Even the Pro Line slogan suggests as much: su linea de credita personal -- your personal credit line. Mendez notes that the ads never claim it's a credit card. The company does offer a Visa account that people can apply for after they've become members, he says, but that offer is not mentioned until after a potential customer has signed up for the catalogue service. "We don't offer the Visa on the television because that is not our primary business," Mendez claims. "It is offered after they make the phone call."

Any confusion for consumers such as Perez, who recalls the explicit promise of a credit card, he says, is the fault of the telemarketers. "Different telemarketers sell the card, and it depends on the people they have answering the phone," Mendez says. "We try to explain the best way to do that, but sometimes they don't say exactly the same way that we can say."

So what exactly do these telemarketers promise? That was hard for the Express to confirm -- as of press time, callers were unable to reach an operator at the toll-free number listed on Pro Line's Web site.

Asked to explain the massive misconceptions about the card, Mendez insists that he manages only the customer service and catalogue sides of the operation, and knows nothing about its telemarketers. The catalogue division, he says, is partnered with a bigger company called the Pro Line Group, headed by a man named Julio Sandoval who is responsible for that aspect of the business.

Although no active company by that name exists in Florida, the two men are listed as principals in Pro Line Card LLC. Sandoval did not respond to interview requests by phone and e-mail. But corporation searches on the Florida Department of State Web site raise questions about the company. Mendez, for one, established three new businesses on July 20 -- Premier Card Plus LLC, Latin Card Plus LLC, and Kapital Card Plus LLC. The "suite" from which these businesses operate is a mailbox at a Mail Boxes Etc. franchise. Latin Card's Web site -- almost identical to ProLineCard.com -- is registered to an address at a different Mail Boxes Etc. In an August 25 posting at RipoffReport.com, a Springfield, Massachusetts woman claims she ordered the Latin Card Plus after seeing an ad on local TV, but was sent the Pro Line Card instead.

Pro Line, meanwhile, shares a suite in a Miami-area office building with no less than ten other businesses, all established within the past year, and all of which list as principals Mendez, Sandoval, or individuals with business ties to one man or the other. (The names suggest real estate, investments, marketing, and financial services dealings.) But the business address Pro Line lists on its Web site is in another Mail Boxes Etc. that also is home to a business run by two individuals who operate out of Pro Line's shared office suite.

If any of this sounds suspicious, here's the tricky thing: It's perfectly legal to sell memberships to a shopping club, and to charge insane prices. But it is quite illegal to sell a product that is entirely different from what the buyer was promised. Consumer Action alleges that Pro Line is deliberately defrauding people; Ridout says that a majority of the complainants said they were told unequivocally that they were getting a Visa card; many said they asked point-blank if they were signing up for a catalogue and were told no. "We agree with Mr. Mendez that the TV ad does not identify Pro Line's card as a Visa," Ridout says. But, he adds: "Once viewers call the company to apply for the card, it is consistently promoted as a Visa. There is so little variation in the customers' stories that we find it hard to believe that this is not company policy. It would be quite a coincidence if dozens of different Pro Line employees happened to mislead consumers in exactly the same way unless they were directed to provide intentionally faulty information. "

Consumer Action's suspicions are echoed by the Better Business Bureau. The agency's southeast Florida branch -- on whose turf Pro Line resides -- estimates that it has received about 65 complaints about Pro Line from all over the nation, most within the last ninety days. Bureau president Brodie White says Pro Line's apparent modus operandi reminds him of something called an "advanced fee loan scheme," in which consumers are promised that a company will find a loan for them if they will send in a processing fee; the company takes the fees without processing anything and tells the unhappy clients that they didn't qualify. "This is kind of a spin-off of that by leading people to believe they're getting an unsecured credit card with a $299 application price," White says.

It's notable that Pro Line's sales have taken off in Florida and California, states with sizable Hispanic populations. The BBB's White says the bureau has noticed an increasing trend of dubious schemes once run on the general population now being specifically targeted at ethnic communities that may not be as savvy when it comes to American banking practices. "It's an old-school scam with a new market," he says. "Many of the Hispanic and Spanish-speaking people are immigrants and they don't have bank accounts or access to regular lines of credit, and they're looking to establish credit." Worse, White says, when the victims are economically marginalized people, such as illegal immigrants, they may be reluctant to go to the authorities at all.

"It's a really brutal swindle," Ridout concurs. "A lot of people who apply for it really need credit to get through the end of the month -- people who needed to pay the electric or water bill and had to go into debt." He's heard plenty of horror stories, like the mother of five who used the last $299 the family had saved for groceries to buy the near-useless card. Then there's the guy who sold his truck to buy the card, hoping to use the $2,000 line of credit to finance a new one. "Now he doesn't have a truck or a credit card," Ridout says.

In the Bay Area, viewers have reported seeing Pro Line's ad on Channel 48, the local Telemundo affiliate. Station spokeswoman Maribel Madrigal says she's heard of no complaints regarding Pro Line, but says the station will investigate to make sure its viewers aren't being cheated. "We can look into it and take charge right away," she says. Brooke Morganstein, a spokeswoman for Spanish-language network Univision, which airs here on Channel 14, say the network has never aired Pro Line ads, and in fact has run a cautionary story about the company in its news programming.

In the meantime, people who have had unhappy run-ins with the company are warning friends and neighbors not to fall for the ad. "They say that it is a credit card made for Spanish people and they will help you with your credit in America," Lliro says ruefully. "That's a lie."

Amelia Perez particularly objects to Pro Line's portrayal of its product as a "starter" card that will help struggling families get a foothold. "How can you start with something like this?" she says with a sigh

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