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Report: #211595

Complaint Review: Liberty League - Nationwide

  • Submitted: Mon, September 18, 2006
  • Updated: Wed, March 25, 2009
  • Reported By: Houston Texas
  • Liberty League
    libertyleagueinternational.com
    Nationwide
    U.S.A.

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Thank you all so much for publishing this forum on Liberty League. I was getting ready to join and you wonderful folks have saved me a lot of money. I am working 2 jobs to pay off some medical bills and they were telling me how this would eliminate my second job and make me finacially independent. These companies prey on folks who are in debt with the promise of financial security when all they want is to fatten up their own personal bank accouts. Once again, thanks so much for enlightening me on this company.

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#1 Consumer Comment

LL is about personal development

AUTHOR: Sophie - (Canada)

Liberty League is about personal development. It's about changing your life so that you are a more loving, positive, compassionate human being, who takes action to achieve personal goals, one of which may or may not be to achieve "financial freedom". Liberty League has helped millions of people become less cynical and more positive. It's about quality of life and personal success. If you're in it with a greedy, negative demanding attitude, you're not going to do well, either financially, or personally - plain and simple.
It's not a scam, it's not multi level marketing - it's just personal development.
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#2 Consumer Suggestion

I had a conversation with a former Liberty League associate of almost two years.

AUTHOR: J. - (U.S.A.)

I had a conversation with an ex Liberty Leaguer. I won't mention this person's name here. This person had been with LLI for almost two years from 2004 to 2006. This person purchased the $1,495 Beyond Freedom package as well as a ticket to the $7,995 3-day Liberty Conference. Did not buy the Summit. In two years time, this person spent between $35,000-$40,000 on the business in total. The rest was on adverstising expenses. Never made any money what so ever.

This person said that they did the newspapers ads, bought the leads from the lead vendors at about $360 per batch of 100, and also did the pay per click Google adverstiments just as suggested in the training. Did this for almost two years and did not make a single profit. This person became so desperate to make a sale and start build an organization, that it bought two of it's new prospects their $1,495 Beyond Freedom for them, with it's own money! And those two people still did not get started. They just dissapeared. Could not bring them into the opportunnity, even for free.



SOME INSIDE INFORMATION ABOUT LLI THAT THIS PERSON SHARED AFTER BEING IN LLI FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS

This is not from me, but from someone who was actually involved with LLI, and actively for about two years.


-The May 2006 $115,000 court settlement with the Arizona Attorney General was brought upon by numerous people filing complaints with the Arizona Attorney General's office claiming they were mislead and lost large sums of money doing the business. LLI claims that people in competing companies such as Emerald Passport (EPI) had a lot to do with it, by reffering and encouraging people to go file their complaints with the Arizona Attorney General against LLI.

-Brent Payne and Shane Krider founded and started Liberty League along with a third person, Tim Darnell.

-Tim Darnell soon had doubts and uncertainty about Liberty League. So he departed only to start his own competing personal development company called "Advantage Conferences", which he founded in June 2003. It's still in operation today.

-People in LLI have said that Joe Neid was not just fired by Brent and Shane for no reason. It has been said by people within LLI that the reason Joe Neid was fired was because he might have been fradulently taking money from the company. No one knows for sure though. It's a rumor from people within LLI.

-That the $1,495 Beyond Freedom home study course is overpriced, because it's merely a collection of ideas and concepts that have been taken from other already existing publications and some individual personal development company that has been around well before Liberty League was.

-Joe Neid saved LLI from extinction. He was brough in to revamp the company, and he did. He took LLI from bouncing checks and barely getting by, to $20 million plus in annual revenues before being fired late last year. That the company sent out an email to each associate and advisor saying that Joe decided to move onto other ventures, when infact he was fired wihout notice by Brent and Shane.

-Joe Neid is now involved with a competing direct sales company called Emerald Passport Inc.(EPI) based in Panama City, Panama. This company markets an "E-book" at a cost of $1,295 using a similar compensation plan as LLI. He conducts the wake up and traning calls for them as he used to do when he was with LLI.

-The cost of the Liberty and Summit conference tickets used to be for two adults. Ealier this year, LLI changed that to one adult per ticket instead or the original two adults per ticket. Now it's about another $900 or so for each additional adult to attend.

-Brent Payne, the co-founder, purchased an approx. $6 million dollar home in Arizona, gutted the interior, and then put in a $20 million dollar plus personal music studio in it.

-The top earners, the Lavenias are involved in other money making ventures, not just in Liberty League, such as real estate investing.

-John Lavenia also owns one of the recommended lead vendor companies that they reffer to all new associated who join the company on the training calls. He makes additional income from each and every LLI associate who buys leads from his lead company. This is not mentioned to anyone. The cost is about $349 per 100 fresh leads, or $679 per 200 fresh leads. Each exact same fresh lead is again resold to at least one other person besides you.

-Their scheduled live training calls have been reduced significantly from the ammount of training calls that used to be available each week before. There is no longer live training calls during Fridays and the weekends. The "Three way call/Follow up call" has been removed, and the "Live Prospecting Call" happenes only once a week now, when before it used to happen about every other day during the week.

-Don Glanville owns and earns additional money from Quicklister. A marketing website service recomended and sold to it's new advisors and associates. It is not mentioned either that he is the owner of this splash webpage service.

-Tony Rush has about 30 people in his personal organization as of recently accoding to this person. He's been in LLI since early 2005. He does not make as much money as many people might think he does.

-That a lot of the leaders have made a lot of their sales from bringing in numerous family members and friends.

-John and Shannon Lavenia are the top earners and have over 3,000 people in their own personal LLI organization.

-Michael Hamburger is not related to Brent Payne as some other people have been saying on some websites.

-Michael Hamburger has enrolled several of his own family members into the company, inluding his dad. Nothing wrong with that in my view.

-Said that late last year, Brent Payne had accounced to the entire company that the conference bridge system all LLI associates use to put people on calls, was going to cost a lot less than what they were paying with "Pro-Link" at the time which was about $33/mo or $99/quarterly. That never happened. The price remained the same even to today with the new conference bridge company, with no explenation of why the price reduction promised did not happen.

-If you take a look at the company wide income stats for last year, you will find that only 4% of everyone in Liberty League even averaged a six figure $100k income for the whole year 2005. Supposedly, ther are "tons" of people in the company making six figures that it's become "the norm". The numbers don't really reflect that though when only 4% of the entire company even barely broke six figures on average.

-80% of all people in LLI averaged only $7,149 in profits for the whole year 2005.

-Most noticeable is the fact that only the very top 5% of the entire company accounted for making almost 50% of all the company wide sales that whole year.

-And the same very top 5% averaged $270K for a whole year. That means that the very top 5% of the company only averaged $22,500 a month. Meaning that people making $100K plus a month in the company is extremely rare it seems. See the LLI income statistics below.

www.libertyleague.com/compliance/income_disclosure.php
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#3 Consumer Suggestion

I had a conversation with a former Liberty League associate of almost two years.

AUTHOR: J. - (U.S.A.)

I had a conversation with an ex Liberty Leaguer. I won't mention this person's name here. This person had been with LLI for almost two years from 2004 to 2006. This person purchased the $1,495 Beyond Freedom package as well as a ticket to the $7,995 3-day Liberty Conference. Did not buy the Summit. In two years time, this person spent between $35,000-$40,000 on the business in total. The rest was on adverstising expenses. Never made any money what so ever.

This person said that they did the newspapers ads, bought the leads from the lead vendors at about $360 per batch of 100, and also did the pay per click Google adverstiments just as suggested in the training. Did this for almost two years and did not make a single profit. This person became so desperate to make a sale and start build an organization, that it bought two of it's new prospects their $1,495 Beyond Freedom for them, with it's own money! And those two people still did not get started. They just dissapeared. Could not bring them into the opportunnity, even for free.



SOME INSIDE INFORMATION ABOUT LLI THAT THIS PERSON SHARED AFTER BEING IN LLI FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS

This is not from me, but from someone who was actually involved with LLI, and actively for about two years.


-The May 2006 $115,000 court settlement with the Arizona Attorney General was brought upon by numerous people filing complaints with the Arizona Attorney General's office claiming they were mislead and lost large sums of money doing the business. LLI claims that people in competing companies such as Emerald Passport (EPI) had a lot to do with it, by reffering and encouraging people to go file their complaints with the Arizona Attorney General against LLI.

-Brent Payne and Shane Krider founded and started Liberty League along with a third person, Tim Darnell.

-Tim Darnell soon had doubts and uncertainty about Liberty League. So he departed only to start his own competing personal development company called "Advantage Conferences", which he founded in June 2003. It's still in operation today.

-People in LLI have said that Joe Neid was not just fired by Brent and Shane for no reason. It has been said by people within LLI that the reason Joe Neid was fired was because he might have been fradulently taking money from the company. No one knows for sure though. It's a rumor from people within LLI.

-That the $1,495 Beyond Freedom home study course is overpriced, because it's merely a collection of ideas and concepts that have been taken from other already existing publications and some individual personal development company that has been around well before Liberty League was.

-Joe Neid saved LLI from extinction. He was brough in to revamp the company, and he did. He took LLI from bouncing checks and barely getting by, to $20 million plus in annual revenues before being fired late last year. That the company sent out an email to each associate and advisor saying that Joe decided to move onto other ventures, when infact he was fired wihout notice by Brent and Shane.

-Joe Neid is now involved with a competing direct sales company called Emerald Passport Inc.(EPI) based in Panama City, Panama. This company markets an "E-book" at a cost of $1,295 using a similar compensation plan as LLI. He conducts the wake up and traning calls for them as he used to do when he was with LLI.

-The cost of the Liberty and Summit conference tickets used to be for two adults. Ealier this year, LLI changed that to one adult per ticket instead or the original two adults per ticket. Now it's about another $900 or so for each additional adult to attend.

-Brent Payne, the co-founder, purchased an approx. $6 million dollar home in Arizona, gutted the interior, and then put in a $20 million dollar plus personal music studio in it.

-The top earners, the Lavenias are involved in other money making ventures, not just in Liberty League, such as real estate investing.

-John Lavenia also owns one of the recommended lead vendor companies that they reffer to all new associated who join the company on the training calls. He makes additional income from each and every LLI associate who buys leads from his lead company. This is not mentioned to anyone. The cost is about $349 per 100 fresh leads, or $679 per 200 fresh leads. Each exact same fresh lead is again resold to at least one other person besides you.

-Their scheduled live training calls have been reduced significantly from the ammount of training calls that used to be available each week before. There is no longer live training calls during Fridays and the weekends. The "Three way call/Follow up call" has been removed, and the "Live Prospecting Call" happenes only once a week now, when before it used to happen about every other day during the week.

-Don Glanville owns and earns additional money from Quicklister. A marketing website service recomended and sold to it's new advisors and associates. It is not mentioned either that he is the owner of this splash webpage service.

-Tony Rush has about 30 people in his personal organization as of recently accoding to this person. He's been in LLI since early 2005. He does not make as much money as many people might think he does.

-That a lot of the leaders have made a lot of their sales from bringing in numerous family members and friends.

-John and Shannon Lavenia are the top earners and have over 3,000 people in their own personal LLI organization.

-Michael Hamburger is not related to Brent Payne as some other people have been saying on some websites.

-Michael Hamburger has enrolled several of his own family members into the company, inluding his dad. Nothing wrong with that in my view.

-Said that late last year, Brent Payne had accounced to the entire company that the conference bridge system all LLI associates use to put people on calls, was going to cost a lot less than what they were paying with "Pro-Link" at the time which was about $33/mo or $99/quarterly. That never happened. The price remained the same even to today with the new conference bridge company, with no explenation of why the price reduction promised did not happen.

-If you take a look at the company wide income stats for last year, you will find that only 4% of everyone in Liberty League even averaged a six figure $100k income for the whole year 2005. Supposedly, ther are "tons" of people in the company making six figures that it's become "the norm". The numbers don't really reflect that though when only 4% of the entire company even barely broke six figures on average.

-80% of all people in LLI averaged only $7,149 in profits for the whole year 2005.

-Most noticeable is the fact that only the very top 5% of the entire company accounted for making almost 50% of all the company wide sales that whole year.

-And the same very top 5% averaged $270K for a whole year. That means that the very top 5% of the company only averaged $22,500 a month. Meaning that people making $100K plus a month in the company is extremely rare it seems. See the LLI income statistics below.

www.libertyleague.com/compliance/income_disclosure.php
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