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Complaint Review: National Art Association - Denver Colorado

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  • National Art Association www.nationalartassociation.com Denver, Colorado U.S.A.

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I had the same issue with the "2nd interview." After getting to the office, we left, and drove roughly 30 miles before reaching the trainer's "territory." There, he set up shop in a business parking lot/ strip mall, while half way blocking the fire lane.

Then, we made a mad dash inside all of the businesses, watching him solicit all of them to buy this cheap reproduction art out of the back of his vehicle. This process repeated about 15 times throughout the day..parking lot to parking lot... office building to office building.

I worked with the "top" sales person, so he managed to sell about 25 pieces through haggling with people about the definition of "No soliciting." It was not a fun experience to be around him, while calling people a "Bi**h" if they chose not to buy.

I was with him on his best sales day of the quarter, so I can only imagine what most days are like. First, he told me he makes about 100k a year, Yet he drove a beat up vehicle, and lied about what year the vehicle was to sound more impressive. "I was an auto broker, I can smell BS."

So, If you manage to sell 4-5 paintings, you just paid for the gas it takes to do the job.

Also, on a side note, they tell you that you progress through the company on a weekly basis. Becoming a trainer in about 6 weeks, then running a crew in about 12 weeks, then a owner after about a year.

My "trainer" says he's been working for them for 8 years and had the FL license plates to prove it. 8 years, and still a trainer? According to him, you advance beyond a trainer in just 12 weeks or so. 3 months compared to 8 years is a bit of a varying circumstance.

His sales pitch also only consisted of lies, because after all, saying, "I have a crap load of cheap reproduction art sitting in my vehicle and warehouse for sale," Isn't very appealing.

Don't know how these people don't get arrested. Even selling in lawyers offices in a non solicitation building... it seems like the lawyers would do something. He even bragged about selling to a cop through a high degree of BS.

This may be a potential good MLM position for someone with a lack of conscience and the willingness to eat whatever BS is thrown at you by your coworkers. If that's not you, pass this business up.

Anonymous
Littleton, Colorado
U.S.A.

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#9 UPDATE EX-employee responds

umm not what it seems

AUTHOR: Do Not Buy Art - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, May 11, 2009

First off I would like to say that everyone in the denver office was nice, willing to teach and positive. There really were only two problems that kept me from pursuing this job.

The first is overhead. The amount of driving necessary to work this kind of job was ridiculous. The "company" does not cover gas, and will not throw a little cash your way for wear and tear on your vehicle. Still alot of people that work there do well enough that this is not a problem (or if it is they do not talk about it.)

Secondly, the owner. There is one owner for the "company" at whatever satellite location you may be at. The owner use to sell art, but now does book keeping, inventory and makes sure his "crew" is making sales. When someone on the "crew" makes a sale, the owner takes as much commission as the actual salesperson that is driving around cheap art and selling to bystanders. This is how the owner makes lucrative money without really doing a whole lot. It is very pyramidal in structure.

To end this I would like to say that although there is an unlimited money making potential, at the end of the day you have done nothing of real value. You just line your bosses pockets with cash, just like at a corporate job.

NAA do not try to set yourself apart from all the other corporate fat cats. You provide no service to the human race and even less of a service to yourself when you put this joke of a "company" on your resume.

P.S. They have all these stupid things you yell at each other to keep each other "FIRED UP!"

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#8 Author of original report

Well

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 26, 2009

It seems the only person to illuminate good light on the company has been "Seamus." All others "My company will beat up your company" type of immaturity supported previous claims. My friend went to work for that company however later on, after I did. He was living rent-free with me since he couldn't pay any bills on that job. Now, I had to help release him on bail due to soliciting in an employees only area. Granted, as Seamus said, it can be a good opportunity, but that is only with legitimate networking and appointment setting. Kicking in doors and asking people to buy art reprints is not building genuine sales relationships. My situation may of been clouded by an example of poor salesmanship rather than the company as a whole. I still work 100% commission as I always have, but through qualifying needs and addressing those needs professionally. If one can do that with NAA, then it may be a good company for them, not what I witnessed with the "trainer" who tried showing me the ropes.

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#7 UPDATE Employee

not so much

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 13, 2009

this jo is all about whther you have it or not... for the guy's that don't have it, i am sorry because the company is very real, the family is very , and I PROMISE the paychecks are very very real. I wouldn't trade my new job for anything

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#6 Consumer Comment

National Art Association is A Great Company

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 09, 2009

I would like to address the person who claims The National Art Association of Denver is a scam. I could not disagree with you more. This company is a great company that offers a terrific product from which I have purchased from several times. The customer service can not be beat. No other company will let you exchange artwork for such an extended period and many retail locations will not let you exchange at all on top of the fact that the retail art chains are much higher in price for the exact same product. The staff is always friendly and willing to help and they will open their wholesale doors to their customers to help out in any way they can.

Just because a company does not have a location in a mall or other retail outlet does not mean that they are illegal or a scam. Many companies run their sales through means of direct marketing and even though everyone may choose this as their job path it can be a very lucrative and fullfilling career. I do not do this for a living but I have tremendous respect for the people that do since they are often forced to spend a day with an arrogant judgmental person as yourself seems to be. For anyone to make a very narrow minded judment after only one day at a position does not seem to me to be a very positive individual who could possibly offer anything to any company (whether deemed acceptable by yourself or not) other than a lot of headache.

If I were you I would accept that there may be things in life you yourself choose not to do but remember that you do not have the right to pass uneducated judgment on others. You may not prefer this job but their are many many people that do and will continue to and will find great fulfillment and monetary gain in doing so. You would probably do yourself and everyone else some good if you just kept your negativity to yourself.

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#5 Consumer Comment

National Art Association is A Great Company

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 09, 2009

I would like to address the person who claims The National Art Association of Denver is a scam. I could not disagree with you more. This company is a great company that offers a terrific product from which I have purchased from several times. The customer service can not be beat. No other company will let you exchange artwork for such an extended period and many retail locations will not let you exchange at all on top of the fact that the retail art chains are much higher in price for the exact same product. The staff is always friendly and willing to help and they will open their wholesale doors to their customers to help out in any way they can.

Just because a company does not have a location in a mall or other retail outlet does not mean that they are illegal or a scam. Many companies run their sales through means of direct marketing and even though everyone may choose this as their job path it can be a very lucrative and fullfilling career. I do not do this for a living but I have tremendous respect for the people that do since they are often forced to spend a day with an arrogant judgmental person as yourself seems to be. For anyone to make a very narrow minded judment after only one day at a position does not seem to me to be a very positive individual who could possibly offer anything to any company (whether deemed acceptable by yourself or not) other than a lot of headache.

If I were you I would accept that there may be things in life you yourself choose not to do but remember that you do not have the right to pass uneducated judgment on others. You may not prefer this job but their are many many people that do and will continue to and will find great fulfillment and monetary gain in doing so. You would probably do yourself and everyone else some good if you just kept your negativity to yourself.

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#4 Consumer Comment

National Art Association is A Great Company

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 09, 2009

I would like to address the person who claims The National Art Association of Denver is a scam. I could not disagree with you more. This company is a great company that offers a terrific product from which I have purchased from several times. The customer service can not be beat. No other company will let you exchange artwork for such an extended period and many retail locations will not let you exchange at all on top of the fact that the retail art chains are much higher in price for the exact same product. The staff is always friendly and willing to help and they will open their wholesale doors to their customers to help out in any way they can.

Just because a company does not have a location in a mall or other retail outlet does not mean that they are illegal or a scam. Many companies run their sales through means of direct marketing and even though everyone may choose this as their job path it can be a very lucrative and fullfilling career. I do not do this for a living but I have tremendous respect for the people that do since they are often forced to spend a day with an arrogant judgmental person as yourself seems to be. For anyone to make a very narrow minded judment after only one day at a position does not seem to me to be a very positive individual who could possibly offer anything to any company (whether deemed acceptable by yourself or not) other than a lot of headache.

If I were you I would accept that there may be things in life you yourself choose not to do but remember that you do not have the right to pass uneducated judgment on others. You may not prefer this job but their are many many people that do and will continue to and will find great fulfillment and monetary gain in doing so. You would probably do yourself and everyone else some good if you just kept your negativity to yourself.

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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds

NAA is not a scam, more of a scheme

AUTHOR: Seamus - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, November 12, 2008

There are many direct sales outfits out there. These people bust there a*s and take more rejection than any other occupation out there. There is a reason they do it, because you can make money. You can liberate yourself from the 9-5 life of the typical wage slave. You pay yourself. Every mourning you ask yourself, "How much money do I want to make today?".

For instance, you said he sold 25 pieces, that means he made between $200 and $250 in an 8 hour period. How many young people/non-college educated people do you know that make between $25 and $31.25 and hour? That pretty good day but most of the associates average about 20. My best day I only worked for only 4 hours and I made over $400.

I spent over a year working for NAA of Denver and have worked for several other similar direct sales/marketing companies. NAA has a great product and is a great price to the consumer; NAA is also a great opportunity for anyone with the determination to succeed. In my year there I saw 2 of my co-salespeople become owners in the city of there choice. I had a great time working there, made a lot of great friends and learned a lot of life skills.

I've had many 2nd day interviews in my car for a day that probably felt a lot like you at the end of the day. Granted the job isn't for everyone. It takes determination, heart and soul. I can see how most people would be in disbelief after there 2nd interview. The whole idea of direct sales revolves around positive mental thinking and most people are naturally programed to think negatively.

I like the part about how you are surprised we don't get arrested. That was half the fun sometimes! I remember several occasions where I blew through a "No Soliciting" sign only to find my biggest buyer of the day. Those signs only scare off inexperienced sales people. They may have well said "BUYERS IN HERE" to me.

In conclusion, if you are reading this after your first interview and considering going back tomorrow or not; I'd highly recommend spending the day seeing what this is all about, but only if you have the drive and desire to succeed. If you are a pessimistic nay-sayer, like the person who wrote this review, you should probably spend the day looking for a burger flipping job or something.

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#2 Author of original report

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AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, October 18, 2008

I notice those who give this company credit are former employees..meaning they have passed on to better things. I left one day of BS with NAA, and landed in a good career which i make about $300 a day doing legitimate work. Every day is consistent..I'm just glad I didn't waste my time with NAA.

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#1 UPDATE EX-employee responds

NAA not a scam/

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 25, 2008

Just googled my old job and stumbled across your post.

I worked for National Art Association from early 2004 to late 2006. I met some great people, made lifelong friends, have been up and down the east coast, had fun and crazy life experiences that I wouldn't have had working anywhere else, made decent money (for the time and caliber of work I chose to put in), spent some time with some interesting ladies and learned real world life and business lessons that have carried through and served me well in my other professional positions since. I was paid to learn what college could never teach me. Although I have chosen a different path, I love the NAA and would never trade the time I spent working for them.

Although the trainer you had sounds like he was exaggerating about how much he makes in a year, he still sold 25 pieces on the day you spent with him. That means he took home between $150 and $225 in that day alone. How much did you make that day? Nohing, right? B/c you were on an interview.

To thrive in direct marketing, a person needs to possess the positive attitude and tough demeanor that lets them excel in any circumstance or surrounding, regardless of past experience or prior disposition.

Also NAA's products have always been top notch and have continued to get better. Their frames and prices beat most retail art shops and framing places. Had you made it past the 2nd interview you might have seen or sold their giclees or limited edition lithos. And nothing about the job is illegal. Stop whining.

Don't forget that you were being evaluated too. Though you didn't like the job, the trainer showed you a money making and productive day. He did his job and odds are he picked up on the fact that you don't possess what it takes to be successful in direct sales. Although it doesn't take much intelligence or experience to rock in sale( I've seen some real idiots sell art), it does take heart. The attitude that makes a person write a post such as yours doesn't translate well into sales success. In short, your trainer probably recognized that you are a tool.

It might be time for you to go back to blogging about how annoying the customers are at whatever used car lot or pizza place you work at. Loser.

The Denver office has been insanely successful for a long time.

Peace Out.

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