Stanly Home Care - Kirby ripoff, Intrusive con-artist salesman, Pile of sh Kirby worth $50 at most! A laugh n a half. SIK THE DOG ON EM!!! Gold Coast Queensland Australia

It has been a pleasure chatting to you, it really has *WHEEZE* AAAAHAHAHAhahahaha *THUD* heheh. Really it has.

Correction*- Scams are a major issue within australia and around the world, so much so that we have two prime time television shows devoted to exposing them. Won't be long til the kirby becomes famous! I know that we have banned the salesmen from entering our complex ... maybe you have no idea of what I'm speaking about in all truthfullness...and for that I blame myself. Maybe I have been unclear.

I could return the sarcasm to ya Celine, but I'm not out to insult you, rather to educate people. And no, I'm not just picking on the Kirby. There are many more scams out there. This site is becoming popular down here for that reason.

So if the case is, that it is a major con operation over here but not so over there then I guess you could be foregiven for your views.

Although, money grubbing is a major issue in any country!

Have fun,go hard
Toodles

Yeah, you're right it did take me a little while. I'm a terrible typist.

I honestly don't know what the elderly population is like down under. But you're not going to sell me on the idea that they don't understand money, dirt, and vacuums. You don't have to be a machinest with a backround in accounting to make a decision on a Kirby.

Oh come on! You wouldn't vote for me? That really hurt my feelings. I guess I shouldn't run for president after all.

Good luck on your crusade to stop door to door vacuum sales once and for all. Because everyone knows it's such a pressing issue. Clean carpets! OH NO! Hey why not go global?

There are laws which protect solicitation rights in the U.S. I don't know about Australia but I suspect you're going to have a hard time trying to hinder thousands of peoples' rights to make a living.

TA TA

I must say Celine..that was quite amusing! How long did that take you? You even took the time to spell check it OMG!

You aren't meant for politics Celine. I wouldn't vote you in, that's for sure. Your argument is vague, lacks substance and evidence of any kind. Need I say more?

The majority of the elderly living in Australia are not educated in electrical and manufactured goods as us youngsters purely for the fact that the information available and the technological advancements were simply NOT THERE and therefore NOT TAUGHT when they attended their educational facilities. That is a fact and unfortunately many of them did not continue to take part in furthering their education (especially the Mother's of the house for their role in the home was such a significant one that they weren't pushed to explore other options). You should see both my grandmothers try to navigate through a computer!

Do keep in mind that today's ethics and morals have changed...just watch video hits or listen to the hits on the radio for clear examples. Organizations like the one you work for are also examples of today's ethical and moral dilemma

And Celine, my job is to care, to plan keeping equity and equality at the forefront and to change the existing scenario to equalize what can be. Little old people are included in this for they sometimes are left in solitary confinement given the physical barriers some face. In that case door to door sales would be of great benefit but don't even put your foot in on that one Celine...the company you work for are immoral C's

Considering I am well acquainted with politicians here and have my hand in stopping con-companies using the law...I'm the distribution of the Kirby in Australia will crumble soon... so have a happy holiday Celine. hehehe
Your lucky I'm on holidays!

Ya know Carly it's funny you asked how I would have liked a family member being sold a Kirby. My mother purchased one before I had ever thought about selling them.

And I guess there are more pressing issues in the world than where an old lady like her decides to spend her money. Come on! Do you really think all elderly people are so incompetent that they can't make proper decisions when it comes to a household appliance? Give them some credit.

But I guess a bimbo with a merciless vacuum will never see eye to eye with a communist.

Oh my goodness! You have a degree? My knees are shaking.

Is that what you do; hide behind a paper so that you can convince yourself your argument is valid? What a trump card!

Listen to me, your degree is made out of the same thing toilet paper is. In the end it's all about merit and skill. I'm studying political science because I like it, not so I can tell everyone how superior I am because I happen to have dfferent calling in life.

You may not like the way a kirby is distributed but at least those little ol ladies are not going to a store where they rarley even use the equipment only to to discover it's to hard to push or doesn't clean properly when they bring in home. I can't tell you how many times I've heard this.What a bloody shame. Maybe you should start another crusade against Dirt Devil?
At least with an in home demonstration customers have a better oppurtunity to use the machine, take it apart; in your case beat it up.....and then make a sound decision in the comfort of their own home.

This is so fun, CONRAD, I actually look forward to this. Going to Australia soon, maybe I'll decide to sell a few there too!

Celine my dear, you really have no idea do you?

I must add my little dig on this one. Capitalism...mmmm what might an Environmental Planner study prior to gaining her degree. Yes indeed. Capitalism and the rest, SCIENCE (and not just one) economics, resource depletion, on and on. THE BIG PICTURE so to speak.

Yes I love my job too! I guess it comes down to the individual in regards to whether Capitalism is the ultimate step in wiping out our race. Money unfortunately isn't the best friend that people once thought. Marking up any product in my view (and this is solely my view) is wrong.

Have you looked at the externalities of this product Celine? Considering the distastful way in which it reaches the cluches of an old Lady's hand, I really don't think that the harmful impact to the environment is thought of let alone minimised during the creation of it or it's shampoos and discarded worn materials throughout it's use. We could chat @#$% on this topic forever don't you think, I might lose you before half-time though. Tell me Celine is a degree required in order to sell those crappy machines?

As Liam mentioned, it is not so much the vacuum cleaner that troubles me, it is the way in which it is distributed. I personally don't like the Kirby at all and have compared and contrasted it to other's and it didn't come out tops really. But that is just my opinion. But back onto the subject of how it is distributed- would you feel at ease if a loved one of yours was ripped off a couple of grand buying a Kirby simply because they didn't have the backbone or the reasoning skills to tell the Con-artists to get out, or do you figure one day they'll be ripped off anyway so it might as well be done with the Kirby-con tactics.

"A cute lil gal trying to make a living" More like a bimbo with a vacuum! So thanks for kindly putting me in my place Ceine. I'm happy to return the favour, oh, who did get put in their place? The Environmental Planner or The Kirby con artist. One day you'll see the light my dear Celine.

Celine my dear, you really have no idea do you?

I must add my little dig on this one. Capitalism...mmmm what might an Environmental Planner study prior to gaining her degree. Yes indeed. Capitalism and the rest, SCIENCE (and not just one) economics, resource depletion, on and on. THE BIG PICTURE so to speak.

Yes I love my job too! I guess it comes down to the individual in regards to whether Capitalism is the ultimate step in wiping out our race. Money unfortunately isn't the best friend that people once thought. Marking up any product in my view (and this is solely my view) is wrong.

Have you looked at the externalities of this product Celine? Considering the distastful way in which it reaches the cluches of an old Lady's hand, I really don't think that the harmful impact to the environment is thought of let alone minimised during the creation of it or it's shampoos and discarded worn materials throughout it's use. We could chat @#$% on this topic forever don't you think, I might lose you before half-time though. Tell me Celine is a degree required in order to sell those crappy machines?

As Liam mentioned, it is not so much the vacuum cleaner that troubles me, it is the way in which it is distributed. I personally don't like the Kirby at all and have compared and contrasted it to other's and it didn't come out tops really. But that is just my opinion. But back onto the subject of how it is distributed- would you feel at ease if a loved one of yours was ripped off a couple of grand buying a Kirby simply because they didn't have the backbone or the reasoning skills to tell the Con-artists to get out, or do you figure one day they'll be ripped off anyway so it might as well be done with the Kirby-con tactics.

"A cute lil gal trying to make a living" More like a bimbo with a vacuum! So thanks for kindly putting me in my place Ceine. I'm happy to return the favour, oh, who did get put in their place? The Environmental Planner or The Kirby con artist. One day you'll see the light my dear Celine.

Celine my dear, you really have no idea do you?

I must add my little dig on this one. Capitalism...mmmm what might an Environmental Planner study prior to gaining her degree. Yes indeed. Capitalism and the rest, SCIENCE (and not just one) economics, resource depletion, on and on. THE BIG PICTURE so to speak.

Yes I love my job too! I guess it comes down to the individual in regards to whether Capitalism is the ultimate step in wiping out our race. Money unfortunately isn't the best friend that people once thought. Marking up any product in my view (and this is solely my view) is wrong.

Have you looked at the externalities of this product Celine? Considering the distastful way in which it reaches the cluches of an old Lady's hand, I really don't think that the harmful impact to the environment is thought of let alone minimised during the creation of it or it's shampoos and discarded worn materials throughout it's use. We could chat @#$% on this topic forever don't you think, I might lose you before half-time though. Tell me Celine is a degree required in order to sell those crappy machines?

As Liam mentioned, it is not so much the vacuum cleaner that troubles me, it is the way in which it is distributed. I personally don't like the Kirby at all and have compared and contrasted it to other's and it didn't come out tops really. But that is just my opinion. But back onto the subject of how it is distributed- would you feel at ease if a loved one of yours was ripped off a couple of grand buying a Kirby simply because they didn't have the backbone or the reasoning skills to tell the Con-artists to get out, or do you figure one day they'll be ripped off anyway so it might as well be done with the Kirby-con tactics.

"A cute lil gal trying to make a living" More like a bimbo with a vacuum! So thanks for kindly putting me in my place Ceine. I'm happy to return the favour, oh, who did get put in their place? The Environmental Planner or The Kirby con artist. One day you'll see the light my dear Celine.

Celine my dear, you really have no idea do you?

I must add my little dig on this one. Capitalism...mmmm what might an Environmental Planner study prior to gaining her degree. Yes indeed. Capitalism and the rest, SCIENCE (and not just one) economics, resource depletion, on and on. THE BIG PICTURE so to speak.

Yes I love my job too! I guess it comes down to the individual in regards to whether Capitalism is the ultimate step in wiping out our race. Money unfortunately isn't the best friend that people once thought. Marking up any product in my view (and this is solely my view) is wrong.

Have you looked at the externalities of this product Celine? Considering the distastful way in which it reaches the cluches of an old Lady's hand, I really don't think that the harmful impact to the environment is thought of let alone minimised during the creation of it or it's shampoos and discarded worn materials throughout it's use. We could chat @#$% on this topic forever don't you think, I might lose you before half-time though. Tell me Celine is a degree required in order to sell those crappy machines?

As Liam mentioned, it is not so much the vacuum cleaner that troubles me, it is the way in which it is distributed. I personally don't like the Kirby at all and have compared and contrasted it to other's and it didn't come out tops really. But that is just my opinion. But back onto the subject of how it is distributed- would you feel at ease if a loved one of yours was ripped off a couple of grand buying a Kirby simply because they didn't have the backbone or the reasoning skills to tell the Con-artists to get out, or do you figure one day they'll be ripped off anyway so it might as well be done with the Kirby-con tactics.

"A cute lil gal trying to make a living" More like a bimbo with a vacuum! So thanks for kindly putting me in my place Ceine. I'm happy to return the favour, oh, who did get put in their place? The Environmental Planner or The Kirby con artist. One day you'll see the light my dear Celine.

"Honey",
I realize that you are a little jaded from your experience, but let me set you straight on couple a things.

First of all, have you ever gotten a free gift from a company only to find out that they wanted you to take a look at a their bigger ticket item? And sometimes you agree because you want the gift right? well that's what I do. I offer someone a nice gift at the door and simply ask if I may show them a Kirby.

If they say "no" I walk away with a smile and if they say "yes" I walk in with a bigger smile.That's called marketing and sales, Liam. The essential ingredient to a prosperous economy. I don't lie because I don't have to.

Oh and by the way, my show is only an hour and a half long.The ones who can't buy I can tell you we still have an enjoyable time.- Without the arm twisting and leg breaking of course. I love my customers.

Hey, don't crack on the song singing buddy! Oh I'm sorry- mate! singing songs in the morning is an old asian ritual and many other sales organizations do it to create a productive work enviornment. Kirby didn't make it up.

it's nice to hear you have benifits; I do to. actually I do pretty well for my self at the tender age of 22. And Ive never not been paid by my distributer, Never. Consistent paycheck? Ha not a problem here mate.Well I must go now. I have much scamming and arm twisting awiting me. Se Ya lata mate!

Celine, I loved the bit where you told us how ethical your organisation is.

When you recruit does the add ask for door to door vacuum salesman?

Does it specify commission only?

Do you tell people on their front doorstep that you are there to sell them a vacuum or do you make out you are from some phantom cleaning company just doing a quick demo?

Do you tell them it could take several hours?

Do your mates turn up half way through to help you pressure the homeowner? Ethics my arse.

I work for a large marketing firm poppet and I'll tell you now we do not sing company loyalty songs and talk about how much money we make. Very Professional.

'We are also hard working tax paying contributers to society, which is more than I can say for most people.'

This is my favourite line. You really don't think much of your fellow man do you. It fits well with that Kirby them/us cult mentality.

For the record I love my job, I get medical, dental, all travel expenses paid, holidays, sick pay and a fat steady paycheck.

My boss was a liar who used to run guilt trips on us if we called in sick and not pay us in full. There are too many similar reports on this website and several others for you to tell me it's one or two bad apples. The deception runs throughout your organisation petal.

I don't doubt the quality of the machine and next time I buy a vacuum I will go straight to ebay and pick one up for six hundred bucks. Then I will tell everybody how great the Kirby is.

But your job Honey, Nope. Wouldn't do it if the boss actually did pay me.

Why on earth woluld you insult and try to degrade all Kirby representatives soley because it is your personal opinion that the Kirby is expensive? Whether or not you thought the Kirby was a smart investment is totally your opinion, but why should you try to cut all of us down simply because you didn't like the product?

I have been in the Kirby business for several years. Our organization is professional, ethical, and very skilled. I have never had to lie about how good the machine is because it speaks for its self. I have hundreds of intelligent, satisfied customers who will tell you they love their Kirby and they will have it for many years to come.

Your inference that the Kirby is not a quality machine reflects how uninformed you really are. Every engineer I have ever had the pleasure of showing a Kirby has commented on the exquisite design of it. You can not argue the fact that the Kirby is quality machine. Maybe if you weren't so busy insulting the salesman you would have seen this.

The fact is you are not any better than I just because you are not familiar with my line of work. Yes we sing songs; soooo what? We are also hard working tax paying contributers to society, which is more than I can say for most people. I don't have a boring mundane job for a reason-because I don't want one. I love what I do.Can you say the same?

Oh and if you knew anything about capitalism you would know that there is mark up on everything. If you have ever bought furniture or jewelry,chances are you paid more mark up on those things than you would ever a Kirby. You just didn't know it.

Door to door sales has been around for a long time. There is absolutely no reason why it should be mistaken for a con job. It is truly the most honest way for a consumer to make a comfortable purchase. Not to mention if it weren't for hard working salesmen, many people wouldn't have jobs.

If you thought these salesmen were such con artists, why didn't you tell them so? Kick them out? Call the police? I know if I thought I was being conned I would take action, not leave the "con artist" in my living room for a couple hours. Come on people!

Soooo my dear Carly, I beleive what you said was a little harsh. I sell Kirby Vacuums and I am hardly a con woman. Just a cute lil gal making a living. What's so wrong with that?

I think I have solved the Question Mark problem???

I didn't type in those question marks in the above statement....the managed to appear all by themselves. I noticed this just now after viewing my latest edition.

Cheerio, Bubye now

Ello Ello, fellow Vacuum enthusiasts. On needing my carpets steam cleaned I decided to go shopping at Godfrey's. I was shown everything on the market (according to the store) and I discovered that I could have eight awesome cleaning machines for the price of one Kirby! No I'm not kidding and yes I am seriously shopping for a 2-in-1 cleaning machine.

I was shown the VIBRATO head attachment and a shampooing machine that pushed the shampoo and spray into the carpet and so on?

What was clearly demonstrated to me?out of everything?was that I was in fact correct in my interpretation of the Kirby?. Its shampooing capabilities were no better than a $200 dollar machine (at the most). It ease of use was akin to an old second-hand $15 machine and the suction was no better than an ordinary vacuum?. and why? Because, for a joke, the salesman grabbed a Kirby vacuum from out the back and gave it whirl around the carpet! Piece of?. It seems they have been made aware of the scammers in our lovely Gold Coast region.

And no, Godfrey's does not endorse, promote or even sell the Kirby. Why would they?

And Rob, like I've stated before?.Why would a salesman of the Kirby bother to look it up under ?RIP-OFF?? Gosh?..how silly! Your response only builds a stronger case for myself?Quite funny really

Good Day Peoples
Happy Vacuuming

My wife has used one for ten years or more, she prefers it over all others. We were lucky and got ours for free, from someone that was moving. We have a Kirby store nearby that sells the machine for a little over $600, yet I still see salesmen trying to pawn them off for $1,600 or more.

I am a new sales rep for Kirby. Where I live which is New Hampshire, we run a very organized company. We do not do door to door sales, we try hard to pull referalls from people that the demos are taking place in.

I do believe that the product we are selling is the best. It is not just a vacuum. That is what people fail to realize. It shampoos your rug. I do believe that there are some sales guys who are horrible and pushy. But I can speak for myself at least, I do not push. The Kirby sells itself.

I have spoken to people who have owned a Kirby for years. There is no scam involved. Maybe the people complaining on this website have encountered the worst. It is sad to read, but the product itself is great, and I prove that it is a great machine every day.

It is impossible for me to scam someone because they see what they are buying, they see everything. WHy else would we have over 40 international patends on the Kirby. Simply because they have the best design for over 92 years now. A company does not last that long if they were known for scamming people.

The people on this site might have had some bad experiences, but in general, whether I am still employed with Kirby or not in the future, I am selling a product is not a piece of junk.

Every vacuum is generally the same except for the Kirby. Turn your vacuum over and look to see the little hole that all the dirt is supposed to go in. It is maybe one inch wide. Then look at a Kirby, its actually 15 inch. wide. Thats what makes us different, and that simple design makes us the best.

When my trainer told me that it is illeagal to sell or buy Kirny machines online I knew it was BS. I looked on Ebay and found buy it now $612.00. Seller had a perfict rating..

also I have a bit more information for anyone else who wants to know some facts about horrible salesman training camps

I was called one night by a friend of many years telling me about the really good paying job she got. I was interested and also out of work. So I car pooled the next day and found out I would be doing Demo's for Kirby. I sat through the training and enjoyed my free lunches. On the last day of training. The agreement papers were signed for "Free training" "contractor disclaimers" and everything else I'm sure you all are familiar with. When I recieved my Kirby and took it home, I first read the papers I already signed. Turns out the Demo's I did this weekend probably wont qualify because I was never equiped the the "Customer Evaluation Form" or the "customer survey Form" both required for the Demo to quilify according to the contract I signed. This is Fine, I have very little time invested, and my carpets at home are clean :)

What concerns me is my friend and her father have already been sold into the hiring scam. They have already sold 3 Kirby machines to family members in thier practice demo's. I wish them the best of luck and hope they dont get scammed.

As far as the Kirby goes, If you put a filter on any machine they will pick up dirt and get dirty. Clearly the vacuums work because the bags do get full. Kirby just has a decieving marketing stratigy.

Next I would like to cover all the money promises. I am a very skeptical person the the first thing I did on my first break was look at the cars in the parking lot and I figured out what the "Teacher/Top Salesman/Interviewer" Was driving. It was a Neon. This office was runned down, dirty and had no computers. When I questioned about why there was no computers. I was told "We keep costs down to pay you more" okay sure...I didnt want to continue this conversation because he was pretty devensive...

The final thing I was told is how to turn a B loan into an A loan.. This didn't sound leagal at all... We were asked not to share this info because he didnt want everyone doing it, and his office wouldn't be "Number one in sales anymore"

Here is how it works.. If the Machine is to be sold at 1499 we would add 100 to it if the customer would fill out a check for 100 (down payment) from there we would drop the 100 back off the load, write VOID on the BACK of the check and fax this to the finance company to show comitment to the loan. and then give the chack back to the customer. this is a LIE to the finace company...

Yes We are "Gutter Rat" trying to get quick money. The class was full of lower class people getting of the City busses driving beatup cars and lack of education wich explains my typos and spelling errors, But I know what it is right and what is wrong... What the Kirby office on Federal in westmienster is doing to my friends is wrong... The Father was working manufacturing for 30 years and the plant closed down. My friend was just in between jobs. They also are from lower class neigborhoods and needed money bad. Now thier family is in dept another 6 grand becuase they sold 3 Kirbys in thier practice demos using these shisty sales meathods, and probably wont get paid for what they did, because like myself signed the contract that states "All DEMONstrations must be on demo evaluation sheets." and "The cunsumer reaction report or questionnaire for each demonstration must be turned in to the office with the pay per demo sheets no later than Monday morning before the meeting to be paid on Saterday" This is not fair and Dirty. No one in the class recieved these "sheets" we were all rushed through this paperwork. and did not have time to read it. I learned a lession from this.

I will follow up when I quit.

Carly.

I used to work for this Mob and can tell you right now they are an absolute screw. The price has obviously gone up from the old days, we were trying to flog them for $2700.

Hey Shawn do they still make you stand around in the morning singing company loyalty songs?????????????????????????????????? 'I got that old Kirby feeling down in My Heart, Where???????????????????????????????????????'

Whats with all the question marks mate?????????????????????????????

Your still giving the same scripted responses that all Kirby employees are trained to repeat over and over again like a Mantra. You really are the shitfully ignorant.

Fact is it's not a bad machine and the only reason it is so highly priced is because there are so many middle men taking a piece. Remove all you door to door vaccuum salesman and you could probably move the Kirby for less than a grand.

So anyway Shawn you keep working for your next badge, and trying to win that holiday, don't forget to be at the office nice and early so they can keep telling you how lucky you are to work for them.

And remember it isn't a sales job, It's an oppurtunity.

Liam

Doesn't it seem a little odd for a salesman of the kirby...who fully believes it to be a genuine machine with a decent pricetag...to look for it on the internet under the subject heading "RIPOFF"!

I rest my case

Shawn,

Are you really that gullible or are you desperate to prevent people spreading the word throughout this world about the "Kirby con".

Your obviously a cold hearted salesman of the kirby....how do you sleep at night?

In response to your quacker of an attempt to portray the kirby as a cleaning machine: MY TEN YEAR OLD $100 Vacume ended up being used to clean up the MESS THE KIRBY LEFT BEHIND!

I don't believe you know what the word "Ignorant" stands for my dear....have fun with your Kirby

I ask that every person who reads this report.. to begin spreading the word about shonking con jobs like this. In order to change this world we must take one step at a time and educate one person after another.

Peace out

so what in the kirby experience made you think it wasn't a quality product because it got all the stuff your vacuum left behind

so do you vacuum ???

why was it abled to get all the crap in your carpet???

stuff that made you feel sick???

what makes it a scam???

you know the most common replaced appliance in the american home is??? the vacuum cleaner

1 in 5 families replacec thier vacuum every 5 years spennding around 200 for the machine

no in carpet wear the kirby pays for itself whether or not you can think in long term i believe is what is up for dispute.

the kirby pays for itself in shampooing vacuum replacement

and in carpet replacement!!! omg do you how much carpet is what does sand do to wood????
oh it sands it all the dust you were talkin about was sand so if it sands wood what does it do to carpet??? when you walk and rub sand into your carpet??? destroys it right???

i believe your ignorant

why even buy a 100 dollar vaccuum cleaner that you have that doesn't even get the crap outta your carpet???

like pushing a lawn mower that doesn't cut