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Complaint Review: Urban Traveler - Roseville Minnesota

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  • Urban Traveler Crossroads Mall Roseville, Minnesota U.S.A.

Urban Traveler ripoff swindlers, sell used goods, claim only to deal in new merchandise, no product support, customer service, crooks, bad business, stay away! Roseville Minnesota

*Consumer Comment: Horrendous service

*Consumer Comment: Urban Traveler is Fantastic!

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The following is a copy of the main body of a letter I sent to the Better Business Bureau (to no avail - I sent a duplicate to the Consumer Protection Agency and never even received a response) after my inital complaint was filed and the vendor sent a rebuttal to the BBB:

"I received the response from Urban Traveler. I am not shocked, as Mr. van Dooijeweert claims he was, but I am disgusted by such drivel, and such utter disregard for the truth, for ethical business practices and for customer service. He says he is not into deceiving customers, yet his entire letter was contrived to deceive the Better Business Bureau.

He goes on to say Urban Traveler has had no substantiated complaints. I can only assume all other complaints were dismissed with a pack of lies, such as the one he sent you. I will do my best to prevent that from happening again by providing something Mr. van Dooijeweert's letter is completely devoid of: Facts.

I never claimed that Urban Traveler had a specific display merchandise discount. It is simply customary in the retail business. His clothing analogy is colorful but irrelevant. Clothing and electronics are sold differently. I did not insist on a discount. I simply pointed out a couple of scratches that I noticed on the face of the clock, and asked if they had another unit in inventory that had not been taken out of the box. The clerk that I dealt with in the store (Mr. van Dooijeweert, himself, I assume) said that was the only one but he would give me a 10% discount. He at no time stated that this was a final sale, in which the merchandise was not returnable. He did say, however, that he would still give me the manufacturer's warranty, which he claimed was rather generous, since most stores would not do this. This is a rather odd statement, because if the item was indeed new, like he claims, it automatically comes with the original warranty. It is not left to the merchant's discretion.

Mr. van Dooijeweert's conduct (if that is who made the sale) was, throughout the transaction, a bit unorthodox. He was arrogant and condescending, and took longer to complete the sale of a single item than anyone would consider reasonable. He ordered two other employees to take the clock into a back room to box it up. They closed the door behind them and did not return for at least 20 minutes. Finally they emerged with a generic looking taped up box.

Mr. van Dooijeweert alleges that he did not receive a request for an additional discount. I cannot verify what information he did or did not receive after the sale because I was not allowed to speak with him again. The item in question is a neon clock. It was lit while on display in the store. The lighting in the store was unnatural (as is the case with most indoor lighting). I spotted two fairly large scratches on the face of the clock, as stated earlier. However, because of the above-mentioned lighting conditions, I was unable to see the true condition of the clock. Had I been able to inspect it closely in sunlight, like I was able to do at home, I would have offered what I thought reasonable for a heavily used item (not full retail 10%).

I purchased the clock over the weekend. On Monday, I called the store to complain. I spoke to an employee named Ben on at least two occasions. Each time I asked to speak to a manager. Each time, Ben said that would be Willy (van Dooijeweert) and he was unavailable. I told him that the clock was used and listed the details, which supported my claim. I asked that he locate a NEW replacement for the clock I purchased. I stated that if this was not possible, I would like an additional discount. He said he would forward the information to Willy and call me back with an answer.

His conduct on the phone each time we spoke was, unfriendly, rude and short-tempered. He did not call me back as promised. When I called him he said he spoke to Willy and Willy was doing what he saw fit, which was no discount. I asked if he located another clock. He said no, and that I would have to bring the clock to the store within 30 days of the purchase date, if I wanted a refund. I explained that delivering the clock in person within that time frame would not be possible because the store is in Roseville, MN and I live in Eau Claire, WI, and my schedule would not allow for such a special trip. He then said sarcastically, What can I do for you? I replied, I already explained what you can do for me. Again he said (with more obvious contempt), What can I do for you? So I repeated myself, and stated that if he was unable to offer a workable solution, I would have no choice but to file a complaint. He said, Have a nice day! and hung up.

A core issue in this complaint involves the status of the merchandise in question: NEW or USED? I apologize for the length of this letter, but feel it is necessary to provide many details in a situation like this. So I will do my best to describe the clock and let you draw your own conclusion about its condition.

There are several very noticeable scratches on the face (two of them I spotted in the store).

There are countless smaller circular scratches on the face, indicating that it had been cleaned with a semi-abrasive material numerous times.

There are various gouges and abrasions on the frame of the clock.

The neon light is discolored on one side.

The neon tube itself, where it is bent, looks brown and brittle, and has a spider-web pattern of hairline cracks.

One of the rubber feet is missing.

The power transformer was missing they sent me a replacement, but the information plate on the back of the clock calls for a 15V, 150mA transformer, and the one they sent was rated at 12V and 500mA it could not have been the original.

The transformer they sent is white, the clock is black, and the exterior casing of the transformer is brittle and has a hairline crack in it, with browning around the edges of the crack.

The clock was not packed in its original box (the box even stated the color of its original merchandise which did not match).

The face had fresh residue of some kind of polish and fingerprints on both sides, indicating that they took it apart while cleaning it. (I took the clock apart to clean it myself because they did a horrendous job.)

Some of the screws that go around the perimeter and hold together the front and back halves of the clock had been lost and replaced with miscellaneous screws that didn't match the originals.

The clock has a pungent, musty/burned-silicon odor to it.

The clock's manufacturer is no longer in the business of making wall clocks.

The hole on the back of the clock for hanging it up has a dense conglomeration of deep scratches surrounding it, indicating that it has been hung on a wall and taken down many, many times. Yet, it was displayed on a shelf. (I asked Ben if it had ever been hung on a wall in the store. He said it hadn't. I then told him about the scratches around the hole. He said it must be some kind of manufacturing defect.)

I realize getting a satisfactory resolution from these people would be like getting blood from a turnip, but as I stated earlier, I am not about to let this be dismissed as another unsubstantiated claim. If they have such a wonderful reputation as they claim, it is undeserved. I have done business with a multitude of retailers, including Internet and mail-order, and am surprised by how competent and courteous the majority of them are. However, there are a few bad apples out there, and when I encounter one of them I feel it is my duty to prevent their inappropriate conduct from going unnoticed.

Please take all of the information I have given you and do whatever is in your power to make a difference. Smug and unethical business owners like Willy van Dooijeweert are long overdue for a wake-up call."

Justin
Eau Claire, Wisconsin
U.S.A.

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#2 Consumer Comment

Horrendous service

AUTHOR: Matt - (United States of America)

POSTED: Sunday, June 03, 2012

Hello all,

I must disagree with any one claiming that the service at Urban Traveller is anything but garbage.  I bought an Antler case for my mother as I am paying for her trip to England with the community jazz band that she is in.  I purchased it just before christmas and was slightly pleased with the case at the time but off put by Mr. van Dooijeweert sales tactics.  He continuously talks and does not listen to what you have to say.  Didn't matter at the time as I assumed I would never see the man again.  Before I go any further let me tell you that I have a BS in mechanical engineering and electrical engineering and I work for a major medical device manufacturer here in the Twin Cities.  In other words, simple directions are easy for me to follow. 

Here is where the issues start.  My mother contacts me to tell me that she is unable to turn one of the tumbler wheels on the lock.  I was fortunate enough to be heading to Sioux Falls (that is where my family is from) to attend my nephews graduation cerimonies so I was able to look into the issues she was having with the case.  Sure enough, one of the wheels on the lock barely turns.  My mother is almost 70 so I don't want her to have a case she can not operate.  I try turning the wheel to see if I could loosen up any potential metal or polimeric burrs that may still be in the locks tumblers from the manufacturing process.  that doesn't help.  The lock has the ability to be set to any combination that you wish it to be, so I tried to set the lock to see if that would free up the tumbler.  I set the combination exactly as it describes in the manual and the lock freezes and will not work.  The original combination does not work either.  No problem I think to my self, I will bring it back to Mr. van Dooijeweert and he will take care of me with a smile as he claimed.  This is where all the problems occur.  After explaining the issues Mr. van Dooijeweert trys to turn the tumbler wheel on the lock.  I can obviously see that he is having great difficulty in turning the lock but he claims that it works perfectly.  He then claims that I must be an idiot and had to have screwed up the lock mechanism by my stupidity.  What ever.  I am not too worried about some ones opinion of me.  He took the case and said that he would fix what I screwed up.  In the meantime my mom calls because we find out that all airlines accept 62" luggage and this Antler case is 67.5".  I get a call a week later saying that my case is fixed and I can pick it up.  I stop out there and his wife (the Asian lady) helps me.  She says they have reset the combination and fixed one of the roller wheels.  Roller wheels???  No, I say, the lock wheel needed to be fixed.  Sure enough the wheel still doesn't work.  His wife is truly concerned and appologetic and explains that Mr. van Dooijeweert is not in but will be soon.  No problem I can wait for him.  As of now I am completely patient and have a smile on my face.  Mr. van Dooijeweert arrives promtly and realizing who I am claims that I screwed every thing up in the lock but they were able to reset the combination.  I tell him that they didn't fix the wheel and he starts to get beligerent with me.  His voice raises and as he struggles to turn the wheel claims that it works perfectly.  Fine what ever.  So I start to ask him about the size.  I say to him, When I bought this case from you, you claimed that it would fit all airlines but from what I see the airlines only allow 62" cases and this is 67.5".  This is where he starts yelling at me.  I don't know where you get your numbers but this case is airline complient!!!!  Sir, I say to him, I got my numbers directly from 4 major airline websites.  THIS CASE IS AIRLINE COMPLIENT!!!, he yells at me.  Sir, you are not answering my ques.....THIS CASE IS AIRLINE COMPLIENT!!! He is now screaming at me.  At this point I almost snapped but I held back and calmed down.  Sir, you are not listening to my question.  I HAVE BEEN SELLING THIS SH#T FOR 40 YEARS I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!  Sir, you are not listening to me, this case is 67.5" and airlines only accecpt 62".  I DON'T HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH THIS SH#T.  MY WIFE GIVES ME A HONEYDO LIST AND I DON'T F'N HAVE TIME FOR THIS!!!  Not sure why his wife has anything to do with our interaction but he seemed to think that she was the cause of his bad day or something.  He proceeds to pull out a tape measure and toss it around the case (scratching it numerous times) claiming numbers that are not even close.  At this point I realize that this guy is nothing more than a peddler in crap merchandise.  He wants to make one sale and never deal with the customer again.  I took the case and left his shop.  I have never been treated so rudely as I was by Mr. van Dooijeweert.  I must strongly suggest to all people to avoid Urban Traveller at all costs. 

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Urban Traveler is Fantastic!

AUTHOR: Marilyn Kathleen - (United States of America)

POSTED: Tuesday, May 31, 2011

Dear Urban Traveler:

I couldn't disagree more with the assertion that Urban Traveler sells used goods or is otherwise unfair in trade practices.  I cite the following circumstances as evidence of my rebuttal to the report filed by a WI gentleman.

1. Custom Orders

Any company that bends over backwards to order custom made items is by definition not a used goods retailer.  I was a Maid of Honor in my best friends wedding, which was a destination wedding in Cancun, Mexico this April 2011.  I was making bridesmaid gift bags for the girls and custom ordered 6 matching pink leather passport cases.

2.  Unique Items

I bought a 17.5" laptop and it didn't fit in an old carry on luggage of mine that I had used previously for a smaller laptop I purchased years ago. I opted for the largest screen I could afford on this new laptop so that I had a decent screen to watch movies online, streaming through Netflix. I looked at Target and Best Buy for cases but none of these fit. All stated that they were for the 17" size.

I was relieved to recall that Urban Traveler would probably have what I needed. Of course they did. Not only are they super knowledgeable about their products, but the laptop case is high-end, definitely brand new, and was a great deal...actually, a steal and I couldn't be happier with my purchase. The owner who has been with this company, in this field since the mid 80's is extremely knowledgeable about trends in the technology associated with traveling goods and support items.  In addition, he is very kind and helpful. He remembers me every time I go into this store and what my agenda was (traveling for the wedding).

3.  Quality Items and Merchandising

It is more than obvious for anybody who walks into this store just how gorgeous, brand new, and appealing all their products are.  Their merchandising is impeccable and artistically arranged and maintained. I've worked retail before, and know how challenging it can be.  The diversity and quality of their goods is very appealing. 

4.  Clearance Items and Consumers Expectation of Returns

In most retail stores there are items that may not sell fast enough or at high enough volumes to justify keeping the item in stock. When this occurs, items are drastically discounted or placed on clearance.  In no way shape or form does that mean that a retail store as a whole sells used goods because they have a clearance item that has some damages. Making that leap from an isolated good to a statement of the store as a whole is what is called and "ecological fallacy" (in philosophical logic and sociology/statistics -  this is the scientific term for an erroneous assumption made by moving from one case to the whole group).

As most people know, clearance items typically non-refundable.  The store owner did offer to allow for a return during a 30-day period.  This is generous given that it was a last of its kind item sold with a 10% discount.  The gentleman making the report sites is busy schedule as a reason this was not a good enough solution.  These are the rules we consumers are all subject to and his "busy schedule" does not make him special as to where these standard operating procedures that 99% of retailers use, would not apply to him. 

Last of its kind items (shop owner did state this was the last one), are typically placed on clearance.  The offer for a 10% discount is reasonable. 

What else I find odd is that the consumer noticed scratches but didn't see the "true condition" of the clock because of abnormal lighting. I find this hard to believe.  The lighting in this store is not so dark that one cannot see.  If one has problems seeing in this interior lighting, they ought to have somebody with better eyesight accompany them to make purchases in the first place.

I'm unclear as to why this gentleman expected something different.  If he was unhappy with what he paid for the clock given scratches or other wear which was not noticed at the time of purchase, he needs to recall that this was a last of its kind item on clearance and what remedies, if any, are typically offered.

Perhaps if he had more realistic expectations for compensation (perhaps in-store credit or similar request for a % discount a different item in the future), the shop owner may have been willing to offer a solution.   However, the consumer demanded that the shop owner travel outside the region, many miles into another state to exchange or return an item.  This is NOT a realistic expectation. No retailer would do this - they couldn't stay in business.  The consumer must always return to the store where it was purchased, or in event of a chain, a participating store.

There is no mention of this consumer attempting to send the clock into the manufacturer for a replacement or fix.  Why was this not attempted?  And, who is to say additional damage didn't happen upon route home.

5. Staying Power

This retailer, Urban Traveler, has been in the Rosedale Commons spot since the mid 1980's. I want to say their truck says "Since 1983" on it.  I was raised in Roseville, Minnesota, my whole life.  I fondly recall this cool store and always enjoy browsing in it as I plan my next vacation destination.  It has staying power!

Any retailer that had the poor business practices or unfair trade policies that this gentleman asserts, certainly wouldn't have lasted this many years.  Further there would be more reports of this nature against them.  This is the only report I can see issued.

Summary

I encourage anybody in the Twin Cities to visit Urban Traveler.  They DO NOT sell used goods. That is just plain false.  Not only have they custom ordered items for me, but they carry solutions for harder to fit products, such as my new larger than average laptop. 

When the kind and knowledgeable staff found out what I was doing for the Bridesmaids, they brainstormed and packaged the items in a special fashion so that my gift bags would turn out incredibly cute.  How fun!  This was above and beyond my expectations.

Urban Traveler has staying power, having been in business since 1983.  This is a testimony in and of itself.  They have survived near Rosedale despite the past couple years of an economic downturn. I do attribute this fact to the unique niche market that they hold, and their kind, knowledgeable staff. 

Happy Traveling!
MKB

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