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Complaint Review: Chase Card Services - Wilmington Delaware

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  • Reported By: Larry — Charlotte North Carolina
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  • Chase Card Services P.O. Box 15299 Wilmington, Delaware USA

Chase Card Services Chase Cardmember Services Failure to conduct a fair credit card dispute evaluation Wilmington Delaware

*Author of original report: Last Response to You

*Consumer Comment: Uneducated is right

*Author of original report: Uninformed and Uneducated Response

*Consumer Comment: Flawed Logic..

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After submitting extensive documentation in support of a disputed charge I had with a furniture company, Chase accepted an erroneous account of events submitted by the furniture company without regard to the provable facts that I had previously submitted to them, which were in direct conflict with the furniture company's account.

They did so after passing all of the documentation I had submitted to them, to the furniture company and then accepting the furniture company's response as factual.  Without allowing me the opportunity to question the account of events as presented by the furniture company, Chase then, wrongfully, ruled in favor of the furniture company.

This ruling was made after Chase Cardmember Services had informed me via a phone call that that the dispute had been settled in my favor.  During the course of events, prior to the unfair ruling, Chase had advised me not to accept replacement furniture from the furniture company because acceptance could jeopardise the dispute.

I have phone records of all calls made to and from Chase along with the Chase employee's name who advised me to not accept replacement furniture.  This is key because in a re-evaluation of my dispute Chase stated that my refusal to accept the replacement furniture was the reason they ruled against me. I have a letter dated 8/15/2013 to substantiate this.

I informed Chase on 8/19/2013 that did not plan to pay the disputed charge of $1303.75 or any associated interest, without a court order. At the time of this dispute I had a $31,400. limit on my Visa card and a 50+ year impeccable credit record. I have always paid my credit card charges in full monthly.

Chase turned the charges over to a collection agency in May 2014 who refused to proceed with collection activity after hearing my account of events.  

Instead of taking this case to "small claims court" where I would have an independent judge rule on the facts, Chase opted to work with the Credit Agencies and had my credit score lowered to the point that I can't even qualify for a Walmart Discover card, although I have absolutely no debts whatsoever.

 

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#4 Author of original report

Last Response to You

AUTHOR: Larry - ()

POSTED: Wednesday, August 13, 2014

Some folks go out of their way to be argumentative.  Other folks have a life, as opposed to offering advise to people who have not requested assistance.  I understand that, out of all the reports you had to choose from, as if by magic, you just happened to choose me as the lucky recipient of your words of wisdom.  However, I have been to small claims court about five times in the past 50 years and have yet to lose.  I realize, there's always a first time, so I hope you are wrong.  That said, you failed to enlighten me on what prompted you to single me out of all the Ripoff reports to share your words of wisdom with. 

Frankly, after wasting my time responding to your first epistle, the only reason I have wasted this additional time is to tell you that I will not feed your perverted pass-time again. Please tell your friends at Chase to proceed with their law suit as I am eagerly awaiting the opportunity to have an objective hearing.  Perhaps I will even counter sue for the damage Chase has done to my credit rating.

 

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Uneducated is right

AUTHOR: Robert - ()

POSTED: Wednesday, August 13, 2014

 Although you claim to not work for Chase, your lengthy effort in support of Chase indicates otherwise.

- Typical response, when someone doesn't hear what they want they automatically go to the "you must be an employee" response.  Well sorry to burst your bubble but NO I am not now, nor have I ever been an employee of this or any other bank.  This doesn't really bother me as it is SOP and I have probably been accused of working for a few dozen companies by now.  The only thing this claim does is make you look stupid.

 Chase not only failed to represent me, they had everything needed to rule in my favor, and the only reason they failed to do so was the total incompetence of Chase.

- That is YOUR opinion.  As I stated before of course YOU are going to think this.

The reason I can not go after the furniture company is because I followed the direction given to
me by Chase, and refused acceptance of replacement furniture.  After that point the furniture company was untouchable regarding any court action. 

- Oh really and you of course talked to a lawyer who told you this right?   Then why did this same lawyer not tell you to go after Chase directly? 

Why do you think Chase didn't take me to small claims court as opposed to writing off the $1600+ debt that they feel I owe them.

- Because you have no idea how credit works.  By regulation a company must "Charge Off" bad debts within about 6 months to get them off of their "books".  This is really just an acccounting process, this DOES NOT mean that the debt just disappears.  If you look into the Statute of Limitations for "Open Accounts" in North Carolina(where it shows you are from) you will see that they have 3 years to file a suit against you.  So you are by no means "out of the woods" yet.  Suits do take time and they often go the Collections route for a while first.  In fact most companies who file suit will do so as close to the SOL expiration as they can.  So based on the date of 8/13, expect to start having issues around the early summer of 2016.

 You also failed to grasp the fact that I am currently not out a dime. 

- One word..YET

Why, after devoting hours providing mountains of solid documentation to enable Chase to back a winning position would I waste additional time bringing a suit against Chase.  My credit score is already in the tank because of Chase and Chase is out $1600+. They merely have to file suit against me to prove they are deserving of payment.  

- Asked and answered.  Because if you sue Chase you can get your credit cleaned up, and if you don't sue them they will most likely eventually sue you.

 

Look I could care less if you believe a single thing I say.  In fact I want you to doubt every word I write.  Not only that I want you to go to a lawyer and get real legal advise as to your situation, even bring in this RoR to show them.  But when you do don't be shocked when they confirm just about everything I stated.

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AUTHOR: Larry - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, August 12, 2014
Why anyone would take time to browse the Ripoff Report database and provide meaningless drivel on a situation they know nothing about is rather amazing, given the number of reports contained in the Ripoff database.  Although you claim to not work for Chase, your lengthy effort in support of Chase indicates otherwise.

 

As a longtime customer of Chase, who paid all debts owed on a monthly basis for many years, when Chase accepted my dispute they were representing me as opposed to the furniture company.  Chase not only failed to represent me, they had everything needed to rule in my favor, and the only reason they failed to do so was the total incompetence of Chase.

 

The reason I can not go after the furniture company is because I followed the direction given to me by Chase, and refused acceptance of replacement furniture.  After that point the furniture company was untouchable regarding any court action.  Your uninformed comment that Chase may come after me with a suit is what I have repeatedly suggested for them to do.  In your haste to protect Chase, you obviously missed the last paragraph of my initial report where I clearly stated that fact.

 

Why do you think Chase didn't take me to small claims court as opposed to writing off the $1600+ debt that they feel I owe them.  My case is so solid that Chase would have very little chance of prevailing.  You are also wrong in assuming that the collection agency has anything to do with my credit score.  The credit score was lowered due to Chase interfacing with the credit agency i.e.  Experian.

 

For someone who is so uninformed, I haven't a clue why you opted to interject yourself into a matter having absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with you, unless ............  Oh, that's right, you are not working for Chase.  I almost forgot.

 

You also failed to grasp the fact that I am currently not out a dime.  Why, after devoting hours providing mountains of solid documentation to enable Chase to back a winning position would I waste additional time bringing a suit against Chase.  My credit score is already in the tank because of Chase and Chase is out $1600+.  They merely have to file suit against me to prove they are deserving of payment.  

 

Frankly, I own my home, own a fairly new vehicle, have no debts, and don't really need a credit card.  Although I did have two cards with Chase until last week, when I told Chase what they could do with their cards.  Basically, you are free to do the same with your opinion of my Ripoff Report.  However, you may want to consider the old saying that, "it's better to the thought of as a fool, then to speak up and remove all doubt"  
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Flawed Logic..

AUTHOR: Robert - ()

POSTED: Monday, August 11, 2014

 Just because something doesn't go your way, it doesn't mean they didn't provide a "fair" investigation.

As you seem to have a strange idea that Chase is some sort of court of law where both sides get to present their case and cross examine each other until the end of time.  That is NOT how disputes work.  Credit Card companies get the story from each side and based on that make a decision. 

This appears to be a quality of service issue, and also just to let you know Credit Card companies rarely will get involved in these as there is too much.."he said/she said" type of things going on.  Now of course you are going to say your evidence was bulletproof and 100% verifiable and their evidence was a piece of s**t.  But think of this...that is of course what you are going to think, whether or not it is true. 

But I will say one thing about what you seem to think your strongest point is.  You complain that the furniture company provided bogus information.  Yet you also stated that Chase said to not accept any replacements.  Well if the company did offer a replacement and you refused..their information wasn't bogus.  If they didn't say anything about offering replacements then the statement made by Chase is meaningless.

As for the collection agency who stopped attempting to collect.  How exactly did they do that?  Did they actually remove their negative reporting or just stop calling you?  If they just stopped calling you it is most likely because in one of your letters to them you requested them to and since they are under very strict regulations they abided by your request.  Oh but even if they "agree" and think that Chase is wrong that has about as much weight as a feather on the moon.

Look I am not saying you are right, or the furniture company is right as I don't have all of the facts. 

But in the end you are going after the wrong company.  If the furniture company "wronged" you and you have all of this indisputable proof that they did.  You need to file suit against them in small claims court.  Where if you prevail you get the amount you are out as well as the court costs.  The one thing that the court can't help you with(unless you go after Chase) is the negative reporting...you caused that yourself.

Oh, and if you don't go after the furniture company and leave this balance.  Chase may come after you with a suit, which to be totally honest with you is going to be very hard to defend.  Now, this may not be this week, this month, or even this year..but it will eventually happen.  Where if you loose...not only will you owe the money but you will now have additional court costs, legal fees, and a judgement on your credit.

In the end I totally expect you to ignore every single thing I stated, you may even think I work for Chase(which I don't).  I really could care less if you follow my advise or listen to a single thing.  But just remember what is said when you are being sued by Chase.

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