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Complaint Review: 24 Hour Fitness - West Palmdale Ca. - West Palmdale California

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  • 24 Hour Fitness - West Palmdale Ca. 1335 West Ave. "P" West Palmdale, California U.S.A.

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This article was recently published in the Antelope Valley press (Ca.) opinion section. I am a freelance writer.

I recently completed the 24 hour fitness personal trainer's course, which was more of a lemon than lemonade. 24 hour fitness touts the sale of Apex vitamin supplements. Don't get me wrong, Apex supplements are manufactured by Phoenix labs, and are some of the highest quality supplements.

Apex recommends taking three of their high potency multi-vitamins daily due to the exposure of free radicals. Even if you have a compromised immune system, taking three multi-vitamins a day is unhealthy, and only profits the salesperson. Vitamin studies show that a bowl of cereal with milk contains the daily-recommended allowance.

If you purchase personal training, a client goes through a battery of tests to evaluate their physical ability. A major component is called the standing squat test. A client stands with their hands above their head, and then slowly bends their knees into a squat position.

The trainer evaluates proper posture. If there are any subtle postural deviations, such as too much weight on the toes or heels or if your knees bend inward, the trainer will recommend eight weeks of personal training at $56 an hour to correct bad posture.

Bad posture can be corrected in one to two training sessions using a foam roller on the inside thigh muscles or buttocks called a mayo facial release, which relieves tight muscles. Some 24 hour fitness managers have coined their careers on this type of deceptive sales tactic.

Don't get me wrong, there are some very good trainers working for 24 hour fitness. The bad trainers use postural deviations as a swindle to sell blocks of training sessions for thousands of dollars to unsuspecting clients.

I attended a training session and witnessed a district manager teaching perspective employees the open-ended question sales tactic. He referred to himself as a psychological ninja.

He obviously had an inflated sense of his importance. I also witnessed a fitness manager laughing how he just sold $500 worth of supplements, taking the man's last dollar from his checkbook. Metaphorically, a psychological ninja, in this context, is someone who uses deceptive sales tactics, preying on unsuspecting clients like how a crook approaches their mark.

If you walk the walk and talk the talk, people will automatically gravitate to you. They will ask questions like what supplements do you take, and how did you get into such great shape, which alleviates the need for unnecessary scams.

Adam
Palmdale, California
U.S.A.

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#5 Author of original report

unhealthy scams

AUTHOR: Adam nathanson - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 08, 2010

Thanks for the rebuttal. I liked a spirited talk. And thank you for giving your 2 cents. But, I (was) given a dvd trainers course by 24hr fitness, which only took three days to complete. Kind of a weekend course. And as far as not being fair to 24 hr fitness? These are my experiences. I witnessed a district manager referring to himself as a psyc. ninja, and it seemed like everyone under him followed the same arrogant/deceptive sales tactics in regards to vitamins and training sales. 

Coming from a law enforcement background, i felt this was a terrible way for a large corporation to sell anything. And i wasn't buying it. And yes, this one dist. mgr. coined his career selling the standing squat, and was teaching this scam, to new employees. And the lack of professionalism displayed by mgrs., who (in the break room), mock their clients, and brag about taking the last dollar from thier checkbook. 

That was it for me and i wanted nothing to do with these people. It's all about money with them.  You produce or you'll be fired. And they don't teach these young people how to walk the walk and talk the talk. If you look the part and live the life, selling gym stufff should be second nature. But, they don't hire these type of people. They hire 20 something yr. old kids, who still live at home with their parents, and don't take their work seriously.

These experiences left me with a rancid tast in my mouth, and i resigned two weeks later. It may be a coincidence but that fit. mgr. was disciplined and transferred to another gym. And as far as that dist. mgr.? He was demoted to a gym mgr. and transferred, and no longer works for the company. 

Adam

Palmdale Ca.

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"The Personal Trainers Course"

AUTHOR: Peaceofmind - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 31, 2009

There is good information in there and bad information. Sales is sales first off, and that is how these people make their living. Some will do with tricks and tactics and others will do it with benefits to the consumer. The overhead squat assessment that they do, I have done it, can be very beneficial and like you pointed out can help identify over and under used muscles and help correct postural deviations. To say that the trainer is going to use that and prescribe x amount of sessions at x price every time is a little assumptive. A lot of those trainers save lives and its an important part of a health club experience. Obviously when you say that you can fix your posture in a short time with foam rollers, probably, but depends on the individual. Personal training should be about achieving ones goals with a health focus. If you feel that isn't what is being presented to you, then don't buy it. It just seemed like your article was a little harsh and universal to the 24 Hour training experience from one particular instance. You just have to be careful and make sure that they are really working for you.

I just think it would have been more beneficial if you wanted to inform people about sales tactics and things like that, what to look for when you're going to purchase personal training, instead of presenting it as a way to steal your money and give you nothing in return. You lead the article with "I recently completed the 24 hour fitness personal trainer's course" as if it is one simple course that you could follow on a dvd, when personal training if you are looking to purchase it, should be individualized and based on your goals.

PS.. On the multivitamin, it recommends different daily amounts for different body weights and how active you are, but I will agree that 3 is a lot, but at the same time do you really think the same amount of nutrients and vitamins will go as far in a 98 und house wife as they will in an athletically active 215 pound male? I don't think so. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd be willing to bet as far as freelance writing goes, it's easier to sell a scam story then a story of an individual experience.

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#3 Author of original report

Both are correct

AUTHOR: Adam Nathanson - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, August 24, 2008

"Mayo facial" release and "myofascial" release are both correct per. the willnessalliance.com, which spells it "mayo facial" release.

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#2 Author of original report

Stand corrected

AUTHOR: Adam Nathanson - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, August 24, 2008

Unfortunately there is no way to edit these blogs. Obviously, I don't tout myself as an expert in personal training.

Thank you for the correct spelling on myofascial release. The context and content of this blog is to identify scammers, and deceptive sales tactics.

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#1 Consumer Comment

"mayo facial release"

AUTHOR: Peter - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, August 23, 2008

Correction: It is called myofascial release.

Perhaps you should brush up on your knowledge of personal training before you tout yourself as an expert.

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