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Complaint Review: Avondell Bengals - California

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Avondell Bengals Terry Thistlethwaite Hearthside Maine Coon Cats Kid's n Whey Dairy Goats chekia.com/index.html chekia.com/avondell.html chekia.com/Kids-n-Whey-Dairy-Goats.html chekia.com/Avondell-Maine-Coon-Cats.html 2 Cashmere Bengal Kittens for 3000.00 with Ringworm and Giardia California

*Consumer Comment: NO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH CAT ADVERTISED ON CRAIGSLIST FROM TERRY THISTLETHWAITE

*Consumer Comment: Known seller of sick animals

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I purchased 2 Cashmere Bengal Kittens from Terry Thistlethwaite of Avondell Bengals for 1500.00 each and 500.00 delivery fee.

The kittens arrived in a filthy crate with a foul odor. Upon removing the kittens from the crate I noticed they also smelled horrible. Terry informed me she does not bathe the kittens before she sends them to their new homes because they get colds. I believed her. Everyone I know commented that cats don't smell bad. 

Both kitten had bad diarrhea. Within a couple of days I noticed a large bald crusted over patch on the back of the male kittens head. I brought the kittens with stool samples to the vet. The stool culture came back positive for Giardia and the skin culture came back positive for Ringworm.

After discussing with the vet and the vet being certain that the kittens came with these highly contagious parasitic and fungal infections. I contacted the breeder requesting she pay for the vet bills related to both. She denied any responsibility and refused to reimburse me. She said none of her other animals had either parasite or fungus .... 10 dogs, dairy goats and cats (don't know how many cats or goats).

She implied they got both here. That Giardia came from contaminated water and Ringworm being air and soil borne. She told me the vets cultures were not accurate that black light is what shows active ringworm. She said the vet was just trying to run my bill up. She told me I was prolonging their infestation by not doing what she had advised me to do, which was a triple 1 time dose of Lufenuron (a flea and tick medication) as well as apple cider vinegar topically. She also said I was destroying the kitten's livers by giving the vets recommended treatment. 

Before blindly following her advice I searched on line and found some information about the Lufenuron and recommended dosage. The reports on line recommended a lower dosage and said .... "At this time it seems apparent that lufenuron does not work in all cases of ringworm in cats even at the higher dosage... per Dr. Mike Richards, DVM 3/1/2002".  I discussed this with my vet who said it would be ok to try while we waited for the culture result, however she did not recommend the triple dosage. She recommended the dosage as stated in Dr. Richards article vetinfo.com/cringwrm.html.

The  morning after the medication was given the female kitten had appetite loss, vomiting and diarrhea. Both kittens continued to have new ringworm lesions until the positive culture came back 10 days later and the correct medication prescribed by the vet was started.

My home is newly remodeled I have a 10,000.00 Zehnder air filtration system in my home as well as a whole house water purification system.

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In 45 some odd years of owning animals.... both cats and dogs purchased from pet shops and breeders as well as adopted off the streets I have never had either of these parasitic or fungal infections. 

The kittens remain now over 5 weeks confined to a single room in my home. My lifestyle has been majorly inpacted. All their new toys that are not washable are recommended to be thrown away.... scratching posts and cat trees. The cleaning that is recommended is exhaustive.....mopping and wiping surfaces daily as well as laundering any fabric in the room 2 to 3 times a week.

I now have 3 ringworm spots on myself.

This breeder also breeds Maine Coon cats, Dairy goats, Collies, Shetland Sheepdogs and American Eskimo Dogs. 

She was living in Ridgcrest Ca when I purchased the kittens. She has since moved to northern CA near the Oregon boarder. I do not have either address. She says she has no internet service at this time. I do have a current phone number.

So I have had vet visits /bills, MD visit for myself as well as increase water bills. I only asked her to reimburse the cost of the vet and medications. 

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#3 Consumer Comment

NO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH CAT ADVERTISED ON CRAIGSLIST FROM TERRY THISTLETHWAITE

AUTHOR: dee - (United States)

POSTED: Friday, September 21, 2018

I paid a deposit on Craigslist a couple years ago for an Abysinian kitten.  Terry accepted a deposit of $200 agreeing to keep me informed when the

kitten would be ready to go home.  The kitten mysteriously "died" and my money was not refunded nor did Terry contact me again when she had

available kittens.  She lived in a mobile home (I believe) on some acreage and I felt she wasn't a good breeder so I didn't pursue getting a kitten

from her.  I sent her money through PayPal but there was no attempt to refund my money.

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Known seller of sick animals

AUTHOR: Catherin - (United States)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 17, 2018

Terry is a known animal hoarder who keeps her animals in fiithy conditions. This is not the first time she has sold sick cats and dogs! Buyers beware! She will always blame you for her bad breeding and practices. Look her up - she has other reports on her here. She is bad bad news!!

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AUTHOR: Terry - (United States)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 10, 2018

Ms Leslie Leddo presents an interesting and clearly viciously intended distortion of facts.  The kittens she purchased from me were clean and
healthy when the transporter she hired picked them up at my home.  The transporter herself will attest to this.  The idea that they were
anything else upon arrival  refutes what Ms Leddo herself reported to me later that same day - both by phone and by email.

 Ms Leddo reported NO problems whatsoever with the kittens (although she was in nearly constant contact with me with questions and
commentary about everything from color of kitty litter to size of food bowls) for the first several weeks after acquiring them.  It was when
one kitten eventually developed a  spot on her neck that I first heard anything AT ALL negative from Ms. Leddo..  The spot turned out to be
ringworm, and Ms Leddo determined that she did not want the kittens at that point.  I told her she was welcome to return them and have her
purchase price returned in full.  Two days  later she called and reported that she decided not to return them and asked my advice in
treating them, which I gave her. Being a retired veterinary assistant and practitioner of holistic health care, I felt  fully qualified in
advising. as to how to address what amounts to a self limiting fungus infection.

Awhile later, Ms Leddo again contacted me and told me the kittens were now under veterinary treatment for ringworm, and it had been
determined that they now had the intestinal parasite giardia, as well. I told her that was not surprising as their immune systems were
compromised and intestinal parasites will often present under such conditions.  Ms Leddo then told me that it was her veterinarian's
determination that the kittens had caught the ringworm from my two dairy goats, and I should pay her vet bill. (!)

My two dairy goats do not and NEVER have had ringworm, as the rancher who boarded them for me can and will attest .  As well,  neither do my
cats have ringworm, including, to date, ALL FOUR littermates of Ms Leddo's two kittens, all of which have been placed in other, and well
satisfied  homes. My veterinarian can and will also attest to this. Being that ringworm is highly contagious among littermates, it was my
determination that the ringworm Ms Leddo's kittens eventually acquired came from somewhere NOT my home. The fact that they additionally
presented with the fungus several weeks after leaving here, I felt, and still feel, made this a reasonable conclusion.

I told Ms Leddo that despite the fact I was initially agreeable to taking the kittens back and refunding her  money, I neither felt
responsible for the kittens having ringworm nor did I approve of the veterinary treatment she was using which includes  the use of an
internal medication KNOWN to cause liver damage (a drug many other veterinarians refuse to use).

Ms Leddo replied that she was very upset about "having to" go and get the kittens cultured repeatedly for ringworm and it was as this point
I suggested a mercenary  outlook on the part of her much heralded veterinarian. Her response was that if I was not going to pay the vet
bills there was no purpose in furthering the conversation.  This was the last I heard from Ms Leddo until someone advised me of this nasty,
vindictive and highly misleading posting.

As an aside, and because of it being mentioned in yet another intentionally misleading light, I will say that I have bred a total of
eleven litters of Collies in a forty five year period.  I have also bred a total of three litters  of Shelties and two litters of American
Eskimo Dogs in the same time period. AKC records will attest to these numbers. Despite this limited amount of breeding, I have shown dogs of
all three breeds to their championships including international championships as well as to performance titles. Additionally, I am one of the founders of the Cashmere or long coated variety of Bengal (which has just been accepted by TICA for show status). and was one the formulators and long time chair person of the The International Bengal Cat Society's Breeder of Distinction program. I have bred a number of Bengal cat champions, and bred and owned the grandsire of the lovely silver Bengal pictured on the Earthborn cat food bag.  I have wonderful and ongoing relationships
with MANY of the people who have purchased kittens from me over the past twenty three years - and those references are available to my
potential kitten buyers. I do not place cats or kittens which are not in optimal health and condition. I cannot, however, be responsible for
what happens o ANY animal once it  leaves my home and care, and certainly not weeks, months and years later.

Ms Leddo needs to cease and desist attempting to publically vilify me and my animals on the basis of the simple fact that she chooses to
employ a veterinarian she would prefer not to pay, as this, ultimately, is the incentive for this disgustingly inaccurate post.

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