yesterday, and it is currently down 16 points at 10:42 AM EST on Friday August 5, 2011.

Last week the Dow Jones lost a total of 538 points. So far this week the Dow has lost 776 points. If we add last week's loss to this week's current loss of 776 points at 10:42 AM EST, we get a total loss of 1,314 points, right?

That's quite a loss in the last ten sessions. Let's hope that the Dow can make a big come-back this afternoon so all the investors can have a peaceful and relaxing weekend, okay? We don't want all of the rich people worrying about their money. The rich people deserve to keep getting richer, because they are the important ones, correct?

Have a great weekend, and make sure to never type in the following and read the Ripoff Reports from people all over this fine country-

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at 3:05 PM EST shouldn't alarm any of you. My bosses at the Federal Reserve will probably know what to do. My guess is that they'll have the executives at the BIG banks ask congress for a couple of hundred billion dollars, so they can inject it back into the market and get the Dow over 12,000 points again.

Of course, the American people will be charged for the couple of hundred billion dollars, just like you were a few years ago when the TARP program saved the BIG banks and many of the other firms, like J.P. Morgan, Morgan Stanley, General Motors, General Electric, Wachovia, Chrysler, NBC, and several others. By the way, all of the companies that were just named are linked to the Federal Reserve according to information available on the web.

Simply 'Google' this- WHO OWNS THE FED?, and go to the site with the 5 charts. Morgan Stanley and J.P.Morgan are listed in 'Chart 1'. The others are named in 'Chart 3' and in 'Chart 5'.

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WELCOME TO AMERICA- A COUNTRY THAT IS HEADED INTO A DOUBLE DIP

by some of my bosses on Thursday July 28, 2011, your politicians have decided that raising the debt ceiling in the USA is a good idea.

The USA will now go deeper into debt, making the eventual collapse even more catastrophic. But we don't have to worry about that for at least one more year, possibly two. There is a chance that the USA will be able to take complete control of Iraq and Afghanistan by then, and we'll be able to profit on all of the oil and minerals that lie beneath the ground in both countries. If that happens, then maybe things will work out.

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U.S. IDENTIFIES VAST MINERAL RICHES IN AFGHANISTAN
BANK CEOS: RAISE DEBT CEILING THIS WEEK- OR ELSE

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don't really know how to fix America. Let's face it, things aren't really getting much better for the masses of people in the USA. Only the rich seem to be doing better, and they only make up about 1% of the entire population.

Homes continue to go into foreclosure. Many of the jobs being created aren't the high-paying jobs that are necessary to live in these times of $4 a gallon gasoline, right? I mean, just because McDonald's hired thousands of people at their restaurants doesn't mean that the entire economy is doing better, correct? Most of those jobs pay minimum wage, right?

I'm sure that most of you are aware of the fact that the IMF chief was arrested and is now out on bail, correct? It appears that he may be in some 'hot soup', huh? I'll bet that many of you have already 'Googled' this- WHO CONTROLS THE UNITED STATES ECONOMY BY MAJORITY 2010, and noticed that he appears at about 1 minute and 43 seconds into that video, right?

And I'm certain that many of you have typed in 481508 at this website and read St. Clair's Ripoff Report, correct? All of these things are leading me to believe that the 'big-shots' who are really in control don't really have your best interests as their main priority.

Maybe it's time for some real change, huh? If I knew what to do, I'd do it. But I'm really not sure, so I'll just keep HOPING and waiting for things to get better, okay?

Have a great day.

and make it into a stronger and better country. All we need to do is allow them to raise the debt ceiling by a couple of Trillion dollars, and perhaps things will work out in the next few years.

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we are going to keep the war going in Afghanistan for a long time. We will continue to launch missiles into the tribal areas of Afghanistan and into Pakistan so we can someday have peace in that region, and our hope is that we'll be able to control the $1 Trillion of minerals that lie beneath the ground in Afghanistan.

I'm sure that a lot of you have 'Googled' this- U.S. IDENTIFIES VAST MINERAL RICHES IN AFGHANISTAN, and read the related articles on the web and figured out that the USA wants to get to those minerals, right? Let's face it, 'lithium' is the key mineral for the future because it is used to make computers, cell-phones, and batteries for fuel-cell cars, that will eventually drive future economic activity in the world.

We don't want China to be able to get to the lithium, so we decided to start a war in Afghanistan many years ago to keep everyone out of that region until the USA takes over that country and the country of Iraq. I'm sure you all know that Iraq has Trillions of dollars of oil, right?

In closing, I'd like to say that the USA will keep on launching missiles and killing as many bad guys as possible to someday achieve peace in Afghanistan and in Pakistan. Don't worry about the fact that Pakistan has about 100 nuclear weapons. I doubt that they'd ever use them. Heck, if they did launch any nuclear weapons the USA could wipe that entire region off of the map in a couple of days.

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and war will also allow the USA to someday take over Iraq and Afghanistan so we can profit from all of the oil and minerals that lie beneath the ground in both countries.

I'm sure that most of you know that Iraq has a lot of oil. But most people don't know that Afghanistan has over a Trillion dollars of minerals, like- Gold, Copper, Iron, Cobalt, and Lithium. Lithium is the 'key' element that is needed to make cell phones, computers, and batteries, that will power many of the cars in the future. The USA wants to gain control of Afghanistan so the Chinese don't get to all of the minerals first.

By starting a war in Afghanistan, the USA is confident that it will prevail and then we'll be able to take over that country and control the minerals that lie beneath the ground. In order to keep Wall Street strong, the people who control the U.S. economy have decided to continue the war until we gain control of Afghanistan.

If you 'Google' this- U.S. IDENTIFIES VAST MINERAL RICHES IN AFGHANISTAN, you can read the related articles on the web. It is stated in at least one of the articles that Afghanistan could become the "Saudi Arabia of lithium".

Make sure to 'Google' this- WHO OWNS THE FED?, and go to the site with the 5 charts so you can see who really controls the U.S. Government, the U.S. Military, and Wall Street. (Make sure to notice all of the "Wall Street" companies listed in those 5 charts.)

As soon as Iraq and Afghanistan are under control of the Federal Reserve, we promise to end both wars and maybe a lot of job opportunities will become available in both countries for any American who wants to work in the mines digging for the minerals, or anyone who would like to work in the oil fields in Iraq.

In closing, I'd like everyone to 'Google' the following videos and watch them on the web to learn more about the people who control the USA-

WHO CONTROLS THE UNITED STATES ECONOMY BY MAJORITY 2010
AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM
FRONTLINE: THE WARNING
FRONTLINE: INSIDE THE MELTDOWN
THE OBAMA DECEPTION
YOUTUBE FALL OF THE REPUBLIC
FRONTLINE: OBAMA'S WAR
FRONTLINE: THE WOUNDED PLATOON
WHO OWNS THE FED BANK, WHO CONTROLS WHO VIDEO

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is obviously in control of the government, wouldn't you agree?

I get this...

As of Dec. 30 2009, approximately 14.9% of GMAC was owned by Cerberus Capital Management, 12.2 % by third party investors, 56.3% by the United States Treasury, 16.6% by General Motors (with 9.9% of that in a GM Trust).

On December 29, 2008, the United States Department of the Treasury invested $5 billion in GMAC from its $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP).

As of May 15, 2009, GMAC's banking unit officially changed its name to Ally Bank.

On May 21, 2009, the U.S. Treasury announced it would invest an additional $7.5 billion in GMAC LLC which gave the U.S. government the majority stake.^[3]

On May 10, 2010, GMAC Inc announced that it re-branded itself as Ally Financial Inc.^[4]

So, lets "wiki" Ally Financial Inc.

Ally Financial Inc., previously known as GMAC Inc., is a bank holding companyDetroit, Michigan, United States at Tower 200 of the Renaissance Center. With over 15 million customers worldwide, Ally Financial provides a range of financial services including auto financing, insurance, mortgage services, and online banking. In 2009, Ally employed 18,900 people. In 2008, the firm provided financing to 75 percent of the 6,450 GM dealers. On 24 December 2008, the Federal Reserve^[1] Ally Financial earned $727 M in profit for the first half of 2010 ($162 M first quarter and $565 M second quarter). Ally plans an initial public stock offering in 2011.^[2] headquartered in accepted then-GMAC's application to become a bank holding company.

All the people you listed have something in common. All bankers, and I believe all Jewish if going by the last names.

But..this report is regarding Barak Obama, the leader which "we" voted into power. He is neither banker nor Jewish as far as I can conclude. The poster suggests Obama is a terrorist and those associated with him are progressive liberal socialist terrorist thinkers.

Do you agree with that statement which IS the premise of this report?

We can look at some of Obamas and the "dems" banker butt jam buddies. Not all Jewish I can assure you..

at the Wikipedia site.

For the sake of ..I don't know what..I will appease you..

I did not "forget" to 'GOOGLE' it...

This is what I found..

"The Zionists have gained political control over Gentile governments and the Jewish masses alike, so that what the individual remonstrant says is of little weight. The Zionists have restored the Levitical Law, in its Pharisaic and Talmudic interpretations, in full force. Their actions towards others in the past have been and in the future will be guided by that, and not by what the attitude of modern Judaism was in 1916."

This has to do with GMAC how??????

Lets look at GMAC and it's latest antics...

GMAC

Cerberus acquired 51 percent of GMAC, General Motors' finance arm, in 2006 for $7.4 billion.^[4] It appointed Merkin as nonexecutive Chairman.^[10]

As of October 15, 2008, GMAC had $173 billion of debt against $140 billion of income-producing assets (loans and leases), some which are almost worthless, in addition to GMAC Banks $17 billion in deposits (a liability). Even if GMAC liquidated the loans and leases, it could not pay back all of its debt.^[11]

On December 10, 2008, GMAC said, "GMAC LLC, the auto and home lender seeking federal aid, hasnt obtained enough capital to become a bank holding company and may abandon the effort, casting new doubt on the firms ability to survive. A $38 billion debt exchange by GMAC and its Residential Capital LLC mortgage unit to reduce the company's outstanding debt and raise capital hasnt attracted enough participation." This was due in part because Cerberus had raised the credit requirements for car loans so high, virtually eliminating leasing, that they have been responsible for a sizable chunk of lost sales at GM due to customers inability to secure financing, in order to pressure GM into selling or trading their remaining stake in GMAC.^[12] GM stands to write-off over a billion dollars in lost residuals which they paid up front to GMAC. GMAC's exposure to the gap in residual values is around $3.5 billion.^[13]

In December 2008, Cerberus subsequently informed GMACs bondholders that the financial services company may have to file for bankruptcy if a bond-exchange plan is not approved. The company had previously said it may fail in its quest to become a bank holding company because it lacks adequate capital.^[4]

In January 2009, Merkin resigned from his chairmanship as a condition by the U.S. government.^[14] Five days earlier, the Federal Reserve granted GMAC bank holding company status, so it could get access to the bailout money.^[15] On December 29, 2008, the U.S. Treasury gave GMAC $5 billion from its $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP).

Cerberus's investments in Chrysler and GMAC totaled about 7 percent of its assets under management.^[5]

At the end of May, 2009, Cerberus scaled back their ownership as a condition of the lender becoming a bank-holding company, when the bulk of GM's existing ownership stake in GMAC was placed into a trust, overseen by a trustee appointed by the Treasury, to be gradually dispersed. Cerberus distributed the majority of its stake in GMAC to its investors.^[16] The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) gave GMAC access to the Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program that allows companies to borrow money at lower interest rates. The initiative was created in October, 2008 to help banks borrow money by promising to repay investors if the banks defaulted. The U.S. Government also waived a rule that would restrict the amount of loans that GMAC could make to Chrysler's customers and dealers because both firms are owned in part by Cerberus Capital Management.

Now, lets look at Cerberus Capital Management...

Cerberus Capital Management, L.P. is one of the largest private equity investment firms in the United States. The firm is based in New York City, and run by 50-year-old financier Steve Feinberg. Former U.S. Vice President Dan Quayle has been a prominent Cerberus spokesperson and runs one of its international units.

The firm's headquarters are located at 299 Park Avenue in New York City.

A Jew, and Dan Quayle. Surprised?

and read what is stated on 'Page 97', okay?

..somehow Karl has reduced this report to GM credit.

But the only thing I think myself and inspector may have a difference in agreement, is regarding the true reason the 9/11 attacks took place.

While it is "convenient" to use pro-war/killing propaganda to insinuate the only reason we were attacked is because we Americans will never swear allegiance to Allah...it would seem if as Ron Paul states we actually listen to the enemy...it would be verily apparent the reason they would kill themselves to kill us, is because of our unwanted presence in the middle east, and world policing.

As far as the only way to fix this being we do not use any oil..I agree that is not going to happen. But that again leads to another question...why are we so dependent on foreign oil that some profits do go towards supporting our enemies? It's not like I as a commuter am given another option for the power source to propel me to work....well who's fault is that?

'Consumer Comment #1'.

and then read 'Chapter 15' too, okay?

"Perhaps, but do you really think Israel can't handle Iran?"

Maybe, the problem is Isreal has enemies on all borders and they are waiting for someone to make the first move.  Iran would not be alone.

If this forces Isreal into using nuclear weapons....well let's leave it at that.

"I agree and support our troops. But I am sure the vast majority of them would rather be back home and many may not agree we should have been there in the first place. This opinion should not get anyone killed, our soldiers and armed forces are the best. As far as comfort to our enemy, it might help to know who that really is and why they attacked us on 9/11. Then we can try to fix this."

Whether or not the soldiers agree, they are soldiers and obey as soldiers and the leadership will do their best to take care of them.  We know who the enemy is, they are they ones shooting at us and blowing us up.  Why did they attack us on 911?  I would think that reason is apparent but, I forget that the average American does not really know the mind of the arab.  In order to "fix" this we as Americans would have to surrender our way of life and swear allegiance to allah.  In order to fix this, we would have to stop using oil.  That's not going to happen.

We are leaving Iraq but building up in Afghanistan.  Funny how one president gets the ire while another gets credit for not ending a war just moving it.  Eventually we will get to the ones responsible if we keep going lol.

This will be my last post on this subject, Internet access is a privilege, thanks for the banter, take care and GOD BLESS AMERICA!

He is a politician, so of course will use rhetoric and spin etc..they all have to.

What Ron Paul says, it that it is a lie that we were attacked because they hate our way of life and freedoms. He says we were attacked because of our presence in the middle east and taking sides of other peoples wars and problems.

Now of course if the Islamic fundamentalists want us out and to stop bombing over there, it is easy to understand why they would spread propaganda about us..but honestly...I can not see that they would attack us because we give women rights and show s**t on TV etc.

Ron Paul believes were are not constitutionally required to be the world police, and that we should actually open the constitution once in a while and read it....

"Absolutely. This idea of going & talking to attorneys totally baffles me. Why dont we just open up the Constitution & read it? Youre not allowed to go to war without a declaration of war. Now, as far as fleeting enemies go, yes, if theres an imminent attack on us, wed never had that happen in 220 years. The thought that the Iranians could pose an imminent attack on the US is preposterous. Theres no way.

HUNTER: Not an imminent attack a fleeting target.

PAUL: This is just continual war propaganda, preparing this nation to go to war and spread this war, not only in Iraq but into Iran, unconstitutionally. Its a road to disaster if we dont read the Constitution once in a while.

Source: 2007 Republican debate in Dearborn, Michigan Oct 9, 2007

Q: Would you go to war with Iran if they developed nuclear weapons and threatened Israel?

A: Well, one thing I would remember very clearly is the president doesnt have the authority to go to war. He goes to the Congress.

Q: So what do you do?

A: He goes to the Congress and finds out if theres any threat to our national security. And thinking back to the 1960s, when I was in the Air Force for five years, and there was a Cold War going on, and the Soviets had 40,000, and we stood them down, & we didnt have to have a nuclear confrontation, I would say that we should go very cautiously. We should be talking to Iran right now. We shouldnt be looking for the opportunity to attack them. They are at the present time, according to the IAEA, cooperating. I think that we ought to be talking about how to get along with some people that are deadly, like the Soviets and the Chinese and the many others. We dont have to resort to war every single time there is a confrontation.

Source: 2007 GOP debate at UNH, sponsored by Fox News Sep 5, 2007

Q [to Paul]: Should the 9/11 attacks have changed our non-interventionist policies?

PAUL: No. [Abandoning our tradition of] non-intervention was a major contributing factor. Have you ever read the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because weve been over there; weve been bombing Iraq for 10 years.

Q: Are you suggesting we invited the 9/11 attack?

PAUL: Im suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it.

GIULIANI: Thats an extraordinary statement, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I dont think Ive heard that before, and Ive heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11th. And I would ask the congressman to withdraw that comment and tell us that he didnt really mean that.

PAUL: If we think that we can do what we want around the world and not incite hatred, then we have a problem. They dont come here to attack us because were rich and were free. They come and they attack us because were over there.

Source: [X-ref Giuliani] 2007 Republican Debate in South Carolina May 15, 2007

"but he is myopic in his assumptions on Iran not attacking Isreal.  Firstly, when one country is stronger than another it is inevitable (history proves this) that the weaker countries will test that strength.  Secondly, sometimes the weaker country feels it has no choice but to attack.  Thirdly, If the weaker country is suicidal and has a message to convey it will attack. "

Perhaps, but do you really think Israel can't handle Iran?

"Lastly, I never said the President lied, I said all politicians lie.  Maybe Bush believed that wepons of mass destruction did exist.  Maybe he was misguided by his advisors.  Either way the decision to invade was his and he will have to live with that.  You are right that there is no end in sight and complete genocide is out of the question but, we are here and have to make the best of it.  What is needed is the support of our people at home.  Nothing deflates the morale of a soldier when he/she is aware that the very people he/she is protecting is against it.  This can get them killed and gives aid and comfort to the enemy."

I agree and support our troops. But I am sure the vast majority of them would rather be back home and many may not agree we should have been there in the first place. This opinion should not get anyone killed, our soldiers and armed forces are the best. As far as comfort to our enemy, it might help to know who that really is and why they attacked us on 9/11. Then we can try to fix this.

"If the administration (Bush and his minions) lied about weapons of mass destruction as you are stating here,  why wasn't he impeached and thrown in jail for it?  This would make Clinton's little lie about his aid giving him a BJ pretty trivial wouldn't it?"

If you research this...you will find regardless of what the Democrats say, they all really had the same intelligence..and supported the attacks...

Quote from FactCheck.org...

The intelligence to which Bush refers is contained in a top-secret document that was made available to all members of Congress in October 2002, days before the House and Senate voted to authorize Bush to use force in Iraq. This so-called National Intelligence Estimate was supposed to be the combined US intelligence community's "most authoritative written judgment concerning a specific national security issue," according to the Senate Intelligence Committee. The report was titled "Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction."

So this is why no one will go after Bush. Bush was just an inept puppet really. Not to say this war can be compared to Clintons BJ which was a waste of time and money ..but he did lie under oath and we have laws.

Don't get me wrong..I am not saying Bush was better then Clinton or taking sides, but I feel we were all duped into the Iraq war. I support our brave soldiers 150% but that does not mean I have to agree with the reasons they were sent to fight this war..which seems it really was just to take out Saddam..but ended up to be a never ending task and cost too much life and money.

Perhaps some acts against us were thwarted as Bush implied we are better off fighting them there then over here..but since the attacks were avoidable perhaps if those placed in office to defend us from such attacks were not asleep at the wheel, 9/11 may have never happened.

It sure 'sounds' like you said the Bush administration lied to us based on this statement.

"WMD's have nothing to do with it and if you keep thinking that way then, you are naive. For those that are weak in political affairs, the WMD story was for you."

I never did think there were WMD's and according to you, the administration agreed with me, and so do you.

If it's not lie I don't know what it is.

Let's go get him!

and it's terrible that the bankers are getting such a 'sweet' deal while millions of Americans are getting 'screwed', wouldn't you agree?

but he is myopic in his assumptions on Iran not attacking Isreal.  Firstly, when one country is stronger than another it is inevitable (history proves this) that the weaker countries will test that strength.  Secondly, sometimes the weaker country feels it has no choice but to attack.  Thirdly, If the weaker country is suicidal and has a message to convey it will attack.

Being the strongest presence makes one arrogant and often forces the opposition into reaction.  Peace is declared when both sides are equal.  This equality puts both into a defensive mode.  Threats and taunts will be made but, it is not likely one will go into an offensive posture due to the logistics involved, once in a defensive one.

Iran does have a very large army.  History also shows it has never been defeated.  One of their strategic moves is to totally overwhelm their enemy with shear numbers and this strategy has been successful in the past.

Lastly, I never said the President lied, I said all politicians lie.  Maybe Bush believed that wepons of mass destruction did exist.  Maybe he was misguided by his advisors.  Either way the decision to invade was his and he will have to live with that.  You are right that there is no end in sight and complete genocide is out of the question but, we are here and have to make the best of it.  What is needed is the support of our people at home.  Nothing deflates the morale of a soldier when he/she is aware that the very people he/she is protecting is against it.  This can get them killed and gives aid and comfort to the enemy.

 

 

If the administration (Bush and his minions) lied about weapons of mass destruction as you are stating here,  why wasn't he impeached and thrown in jail for it?  This would make Clinton's little lie about his aid giving him a BJ pretty trivial wouldn't it?

Also, of course there have not been any terrorist acts here, we conveniently sent our best young people over there  for them slaughter.  I'm sure they appreciated that, it was much easier.

I expect that there indeed have been terrorist acts thwarted due to our increased diligence and for that I am eternally grateful.

I appreciate the duty of our military people as much or more than anyone, my father, my brother and I have all been privileged to serve.  I just don't want you killed for no apparent reason.

Here are some examples (sources/dates listed) of what Ron Paul has said on the subject over the years. My views are very similar...



Q: Was the war a good idea and worth the price in blood and treasure?

A: It was a very bad idea, and it wasnt worth it. The al Qaeda wasnt there then; theyre there now. There were no weapons of mass destruction. Had nothing to do with 9/11. There was no aggression. This decision on policy was made in 1998 because they called for the removal of Saddam Hussein. It wasnt worth it, and its a sad story because we started that war and we should never be a country that starts war needlessly.

Source: 2008 GOP debate in Boca Raton Florida Jan 24, 2008

Q: If Iran invaded Israel, what do we do?

A: Well, theyre not going to. That is like saying Iran is about to invade Mars. They dont have an army or navy or air force. And the Israelis have 300 nuclear weapons. Nobody would touch them. But if it were in our national security interests, Congress could say, This is very, very important; we have to declare war. Presidents dont have the authority to go to war. You go to the Congress and find out if they want a war, and do the people want the war.

Source: Meet the Press: 2007 Meet the Candidates series Dec 23, 2007

Q: Whats your strategy to protect our American way of life from the designs of radical Islam?

A: We indeed do have a problem, but if we go at this incorrectly, we are going to do more damage to ourselves than we are to our enemies. We have to understand the motives of those who come here & kill us. If we dont understand that, we are not going to win this fight. They come here & kill us because we occupy their lands, and they rationally reason [that] we have to do something about it.

Source: 2007 GOP Values Voter Presidential Debate Sep 17, 2007

For civilization to advance, we must reduce the number of wars fought. Two conditions must be met if we hope to achieve this.

First, all military (and covert paramilitary) personnel worldwide must refuse to initiate offensive wars beyond their borders This must become a matter of personal honor for every individual.

Second, the true nature of war must be laid bare, and the glorification must end. Instead of promoting war heroes with parades and medals for wars not fought in the true defense of our country, we should more honestly contemplate the real results of war: death, destruction, horrible wounds, civilian casualties, economic costs, and the loss of liberty at home.

The neoconservative belief that war is inherently patriotic, beneficial, manly, and necessary for human progress must be debunked. These war promoters never send themselves or their own children off to fight. Their hero, Machiavelli, must be buried once and for all.

Source: A Foreign Policy of Freedom, by Ron Paul, p.363-364 Jun 15, 2007

Q [to Paul]: You are the only man on the stage who opposes the war in Iraq. Are you out of step with your party? Or is your party out of step with the rest of the world?

PAUL: I think the party has lost its way, because the conservative wing of the Republican Party always advocated a noninterventionist foreign policy. Theres a strong tradition of being anti-war in the Republican party. It is the constitutional position. It is the advice of the Founders to follow a non-interventionist foreign policy, and stay out of entangling alliances, be friends with countries, negotiate and talk with them and trade with them. Just think of the tremendous improvement in relationships with Vietnam. We lost 60,000 men [during the Vietnam war]. We came home in defeat. Now we go over there and invest in Vietnam. So theres a lot of merit to the advice of the Founders and following the Constitution. And my argument is that we shouldnt go to war so carelessly. When we do, the wars dont end.

Source: 2007 Republican Debate in South Carolina May 15, 2007

Its been three years since the US launched its war against Saddam Hussein and his weapons of mass destruction. Of course now almost everybody knows there were no WMDs, and Saddam posed no threat to the US.

What have we learned from three years in Iraq? With plans now being laid for regime change in Iran, it appears we have learned nothing.

2002: No evidence of Iraqi nukes nor al Qaeda ties

The only talk here in the capital is about when, not if, we must initiate a war that even the administration admits could cost $200 billion. Some are not even embarrassed to gloat about the political benefits for those who preach war over those who preach negotiations, diplomacy, and containment. The fact that the Arab nations are overwhelmingly opposed to an attack on Iraq and are joined by the European Community is of no concern to those who demand war regardless of circumstance.

No credible evidence has been produced that Iraq has or is close to having nuclear weapons. No evidence exists to show that Iraq harbors al Qaeda terrorists. Quite to the contrary, experts on this region recognize Hussein as an enemy of al Qaeda and a foe to Islamic fundamentalism. Many other nations pose much greater threats to world peace. Yet no one is clamoring for war against them.

Source: House speech, in Foreign Policy of Freedom, p.224 Sep 24, 2002

Of course it is political. Many seem to forget how Clinton and Gore also wanted to go after Saddam (also stating WMD's as the reason), Bush just had the balls to do it..and used the sentiment created after the 911 attacks as leverage to gain support for it.

Perhaps many of us do not really know the true reasons behind any of this mess..as most of us want to trust what our elected officials tell us when dealing with something as serious as going into a far away land to kill people.

I know the death tolls (all combined military and civilian) due to our invasion was hundreds of times more then the deaths resulting from the 911 attacks. Of course that needed to be dealt with..but how do you do that? It is not a "country" that attacked us..but a fundamentalist group of sickos that hate our way of life, our freedoms and our support of Israel and presence in the middle east. These terrorist groups are all over the world in almost every country.

I don't really believe in my heart that us invading Iraq really help put enough fear into a terrorist who is suicidal anyhow..and will always try to kill us and promote anti American sentiment...I mean how you you fight a philosophy that claims we are the evil ones..by killing?

As sad at it is to say..if we can't kill every one of them, the threat remains. I only hope we are doing the right thing in the end. I may not agree with the way this country goes about it (I think more along the lines of Ron Paul), but I can only hope and prey the end result is a more peaceful, free world and we stop losing American lives over this. And we can only hope and prey the citizens of Iraq are better off after what we did. Capturing and Killing Hussein was necessary in my opinion but I can not really say if the way we went about it was worth it. History will tell.

and maybe the Federal Reserve wants to ultimately gain control of the 'OIL RESERVES' which lie beneath the ground in Iraq and also control the 'MINERAL RESERVES' which lie beneath the ground in Afghanistan, wouldn't everyone agree?

Watch this shocker:   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssl5yb7FewA&feature=player_embedded

Carl von Clausewitz wrote that war is an act of force and there is no logical limit to the application of that force. and  To introduce the principle of moderation into the theory of war itself would always lead to logical absurdity.

War has a political objective.  Americans are lied to everytime a politician runs for office.  The promises that get them elected are rarely carried out.  Why would this be different? 

War has a political objective.  Sometimes the political objective is one that the common citizen cannot or would not understand.  

Whether or not Iraq carried out, financed, or supported the attack on 911, is irrellevant, the idea here is to establish a presence and also make terroristic attacks on America or Americans unthinkable by bringing the horror to them.  Sometimes an example must be made.  I trust our intelligence community and have personal knowledge that many more acts of terrorism were thwarted by this so called invasion. (not necessarily by Iraq)  The public cries "Protect me" but objects to the method.  Yes our children are fighting wars, I see it as a duty and an honor to do so.

You can accept this or not but I know that might and the iron fist is the only language understood in the middle east.  Democracy and freedom are viewed as weakness in a country that has crossed swords as a national symbol.

On a personal note; After the 911 attack I did not care who was at fault and did not need a reason for war, misdirected justice, maybe but I felt better.  Was it worth an American life?  Yes, I was willing to be the only one if that was possible, and if it will save many.  In order to preserve our way of life, tragically blood must be shed.  Maybe someday, in a more civilized time, there will be no more war and no need for soldiers like me.  Until then...

A soldier

"The War has served it's purpose.  WMD's have nothing to do with it and if you keep thinking that way then, you are naive.  For those that are weak in political affairs, the WMD story was for you."

War? Perhaps you need to look up the definition..or I can do it for you...

Lets use definition #1

war
noun

You will need to explain this in a bit more greater detail. When was the last time other then WW2..we really fought for "anything"? And what exactly do you define as "anything" that justifies what Bush did?

"It will happen again if we once more fail to recognise the enemy and put terror at their doorstep"

Are you referring to 911? If so...can you explain or clarify which "Country" declared "war" on the USA using the 9/11 attacks?

"You are erractic in your thinking, you speak of a threat with IRAN and Hezbollah and yet, disagree with the presence in the middle east.  You can't have it both ways.  IRAN WILL BE DEALT WITH.  Fire must be fought with fire.  I served and I am d**n proud of it."

I do not think this comment is directed at me...but I also understand where you are coming from. And I appreciate that you are a soldier and laid your life on the line so we can bicker and banter here. However, do you think it was worth a single Americans life?

A citizen

which is a private corporation made up of a 'cartel' of bankers, in my opinion.

The War has served it's purpose.  WMD's have nothing to do with it and if you keep thinking that way then, you are naive.  For those that are weak in political affairs, the WMD story was for you.

Before we were pacifists, unwilling to fight for anything.  We listened to these and thousands died in a senseless act of terrorism.  It will happen again if we once more fail to recognise the enemy and put terror at their doorstep.  You are erractic in your thinking, you speak of a threat with IRAN and Hezbollah and yet, disagree with the presence in the middle east.  You can't have it both ways.  IRAN WILL BE DEALT WITH.  Fire must be fought with fire.  I served and I am d**n proud of it.

A Soldier

Other then a couple of fundamental differences (Ie: abortion, health care), I really do not see a difference.  They are all a bunch of hypocritical greedy liars.

Bush sent us into Iraq because he claimed there were WMD's...don't recall we have yet to find a pea shooter there. I don't think it would be too difficult for us to see if the Russians were moving weapons....I mean we do have the ability to take pictures from space..surely we would have noticed any weapons being moved?

We will not get out of this mess until the voters wise up and vote with their brains and not their hearts. But, we will probably continue the vicious yo yo cycle of voting in Democrat, then republican..democrat, then republican over and over..with the same results.

Why Is It ok for these right wing losers to pitch there fits.  Obama should throw out his haters just like how the police guards threw out george w bush haters.  People are really sick of these right wing people & their whining.

These right wing losers pitch their fits everytime a democrat wins the white house.  The republicans are the ones who got us into this mess.  But they never take responsibilty for their actions or the messes they create.

All they do Is b***h & moan when they lose an election they still bitched & moan.  Even when they had power.  All republicans do Is boss people around,  make our lives miserable,  some people homeless they don't give a s**t about anyone.

Yet the republicans are feeding voters a bunchh of lies saying they will help them get jobs.  And people are stupid enough to believe their lies.  All these right wing people do Is pitch their fits when they do not get their own way.

They need to act more professional besides little kids besides listening to rush limpballs,  & sean insanity.  The republicans don't want to work with anyone toresolve anything.  Republicans don't want us to have any jobs or to work & earn anything.

These republicans also take money from big corporations,  these republicans are rich business men.  All they do Is take from us the american people & to give to their familes.  And they blame democrats for the messes they create.

I don't like republicans because they are selfish greedy people,  they take from people they wrongfully fire people who need to work.  These right wing people don't need to put all the blame on democrats.

They are mostly responsible for creating this mess we are in today.  All they do Is treat people like s**t & abuse them.  They don't think we deserve anything only to die In a gutter.  They are nothing but a bunch of sore losers.

So the Russians stole the weapons of mass destruction huh?  ROTFLMAO?  In truth, there were NO weapons of mass destruction and Bush (easily the dumbest president we ever had) and his cronies are responsible for slaughtering 10s of thousands of people for their own purposes.

Incidentally, there is no god and most of the evil in the world is done in the name of religion.  We'd be far better off without it.

 

 

 

While there are those who attempt to confuse and change the meaning of everything that they do not study or even understand, those who do understand see it for the twisted perception of the truth that it is, especially today with all of the anti American progressive liberal movements that as loud as they are represent less than 15% of the US population. The facts are that the whole free world saw the same thing in Iraq not only the US. Facts have been found however not reported in the US except briefly several years ago on how many weapons of mass destruction were found and dug up in Iraq and it was believed that Russia took the massive pile before they were found. Secondly the majority of religions that claim to be Christian are not and if studied one will find that they are pretty much anti Christ more than they are Christian as they violate and miss translate much of Gods words and elevate and pray to dead humans which is a tremendous wrong in true Christianity and those who do not understand Christianity are usually the ones who confuse those who are not Christians like Obama who says hes Christian however belonged to an anti American Anti Anglo hate church for 20 years. Just because a organization carries the word of God and translate it for their purpose does not make them Christian, no matter what they say. That is not Christian. Christianity is one of complete love and forgiveness and awareness of evil, it is not about a church or any lifting up of any human being on earth. Also there is good and evil and we are called to protect the good against the evil. Please understand that human beings have a choice. We are either His, meaning Gods or not and belong to this world. Like it or not, there is only one truth and one way. The choice is ours to make. Those who do not understand usually attempt to fool others who do not understand by using Gods words to prove their point. Killing is something that has been done since the beginning of time. When it is not acceptable is when it is done at random for no reason like Sadam Hussein to so many people before the US stepped in that the left completely dismiss. To kill the evil is well accepted and to blame the US who is primarily responsible for the saving of countless millions if not billions of lives around the world through out history and has been the leader in history with the power to destroy and force others to submit and has not done so only proves that those who use the US and Christianity as an example of wrong and the miss construed explanations are entirely on the wrong side of history which is not new and need to get educated correctly. By the way True Christianity and the Muslim faith are the fastest and continued record setting growing beliefs in the world today. There is a reason for that. However religions calling themselves Christian are declining at record numbers. Only those who are in to the truth and study it understand why.

longer be denied.